Practical Demonstration of Multiple Dasas (for Shyamasundara)

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Jaya Jaya Jagannatha

Namaste Shyamasundara Prabhu,

 

Thank you for your mail and the challenge therein. I must clarify that I

am not an expert in using multiple dasas. I am a student who is still

trying to learn. But, even as my knowledge is incomplete, I passionately

share my limited knowledge with fellow students. My understanding of the

fascinating subject of Jyotish is still evolving.

 

Nevertheless I will try to demonstrate the use of multiple dasas as you

asked. I hope I can satisfy you and other scholars on the lists.

 

> As you can see I am only now getting a chance to comment on

> something you

> wrote almost 2 weeks ago. On December 8th you wrote:

 

I too have many things to do, but I free up time when something comes up

that can potentially benefit tens or hundreds of people as opposed to just

one or two.

 

> This sounds very intriguing and could lead to some very interesting

> areas

> of

> research. May I ask some questions?

>

> 1) Is there any sastra pramana to corroborate this theory? Or, is

> this

> theory extrapolated from general principles? (I have no problem with

> the

> later as long as they don't conflict with accepted axioms.)

 

The latter. And, I don't think there is a conflict.

 

> 2) Satyacarya has stated that the Nakshatra hosting the Lagna should

> be

> taken as Janma Nakshatra for Udu Dasa if the Lagna is stronger than

> Candra.

> What happens to this theory if Satyacarya's principle where to be

> followed?

 

Vimsottari dasa, whether started from Moon or lagna, is based on

*nakshatras*. Rasi dasas are based on *rasis*. Kalachakra dasa is based on

*navamsas*. Rasis, nakshatras and navamsas are three totally different

divisions of the zodiac. The nature of a dasa depends on which division of

the zodiac it is rooted in! THAT is my point. I may not have been careful

with the wording.

 

Rasi division is ruled by Sun and nakshatra division is ruled by Moon.

 

> 3) I mean, it sounds nice but how does it work? What is the

> difference between

> the " mind " and the " inner spirit of the mind? " What is the practical

> use of

> it? It is starting to sound a bit too " new-age " for me. So please

> destroy

> my

> doubts in this matter and show me how I can use this to be a better

> astrologer. Which leads to...

 

I can only try.

 

Suppose a political leader becomes the Prime Minister of a country.

Suppose he is enjoying great power. Then that is what his relevant rasi

dasas are expected to show. Narayana dasas show the effort one puts in and

the situations one faces, in various areas of life. Sudasa ruled by

Lakshmi shows the prosperity and well-being experienced by oneself in

various areas of life.

 

Rasis are ruled by Sun, while Nakshatras are ruled by Moon. So nakshatras

show the planetary factors functioning at the mental level. The PM in the

above example may be *feeling* very powerful and that is what his

Vimsottari dasa will show then. Of course, *often* there is a direct

correspondence between the situations faced by one and what one feels.

 

This PM may beget power due to a good rasi dasa and feel powerful due to a

good Vimsottari dasa, but, if he has an unfavorable Kalachakra dasa, he

may still feel a void. For example, if he had to break his ideology to win

power or if he felt as if he missed something, he will not be comfortable

deep inside, depite feeling powerful and enjoying the trappings of power.

Navamsa shows the pursuit of dharma and the sense of connectedness. As KCD

is rooted in navamsa, the best things to see in it are the motivation one

has and the sense of connectedness one experiences.

 

I think my comments on the example you gave will make this clearer. So

just read on.

 

> 4) Please give us a practical example of it in action using the

> following

> birth details:

>

> Male, born Oct 14, 1953 @ 18:27 CST in Washington Missouri (MO)

> 91w01,

> 38n33,

>

> Lagna Mesha 21:46

> Ravi Kanya 28:11

> Candra Dhanus 17:22

> Kuja Simha 25:51

> Buddha Tula 20:58

> Guru Mithuna 03:18

> Sukra Kanya 02:21

> Sani Tula 05:54

> Rahu Makara 06:03

> Ketu Kataka 06:03

>

> I am particularly interested in the period from September 26, 1983

> to

> present but with special interest in 1986-92. Based on your

> statements

> above

> can you write a few paragraphs describing his life from the vantage

> point

> of

> his mind, changing situations faced by the physical self, and

> inner

> spirit

> of one's mind? How would these be different?

 

> You have specified that Drig Dasa is for timing religious and

> spiritual

> life. Can you give us a practical example based on the same chart

> above.

>

> Also, what are the other Dasas that have special uses and what are

> those

> uses? I beg to remain...

 

I will now try to make some comments on what may have happened to this

native in the last 2 decades, based on multiple dasas. It should be borne

in mind that (1) I am not infallible and my understanding is still

evolving, and, (2) I haven't done any birthtime rectification as you

haven't given any life events. I am going to ASSUME that the birthtime is

accurate. If what I write makes no sense, please give me some life events

and I will try to rectify the birthtime.

 

I will not go deep in any dasa, as the purpose here is to demonstrate how

multiple dasas can give insights on various aspects of one's life in their

own way.

 

First, a comment based on the natal chart: This native has 5 planets are

in Prakaasana avastha (bright and glowing state) and two kendra lords in

Gopuramsa. The native must be a blessed soul. Nearly exact aspect of 3rd

lord Mercury on lagna suggests an eloquent scholar. Lagna being in Aries

and Mars being in fiery signs in many vargas suggests an aggressive and

enterprising person with ego and fire.

 

(1) Narayana dasa of rasi chart:

 

Li: 1953-10-14 (18:27:00) - 1963-10-15 (08:04:54)

Sc: 1963-10-15 (08:04:54) - 1972-10-14 (15:25:53)

Sg: 1972-10-14 (15:25:53) - 1978-10-15 (04:15:01)

Cp: 1978-10-15 (04:15:01) - 1982-10-15 (04:57:22)

Aq: 1982-10-15 (04:57:22) - 1987-10-15 (11:47:09)

Pi: 1987-10-15 (11:47:09) - 1996-10-14 (19:05:30)

Ar: 1996-10-14 (19:05:30) - 2000-10-14 (19:45:59)

Ta: 2000-10-14 (19:45:59) - 2003-10-15 (14:10:26)

 

As dasas started from the 7th house, the 7th from dasa rasi should be

taken as lagna during a dasa.

 

In Cp dasa (78-82), lagna is Cn. Lagna has spiritual Ketu in a watery

sign. The native may have led a spiritual lifestyle. Lagna lord Moon is in

Sg (9th of natural zodiac), aspected by Jupiter, and that strengthens the

indications for a religious and dharmik lifestyle. The 9th lord Jupiter is

in 12th. That also indicates religious activities and a possible stay in a

hermitage. Of course, 9th lord in 12th can also give foreign stay.

 

In Aq dasa (82-87), Le becomes lagna. Lagna has yogakaraka Mars in a fiery

sign. So the native may have been very aggressive, bold and enterprising

during this dasa. In ashtakavarga cast with Leo as lagna, Ge has the

highest score (35) and Jupiter has 7. So some gains and friendships (11th)

related to higher knowledge (Jupiter) are suggested. Mercury in 3rd shows

some creative Mercurian work like writing or journalism.

 

In Pi dasa (87-96), Vi becomes lagna. From Vi, the 10th house of

profession has Jupiter. This suggests teaching or astrology or some other

noble work. Lagna and 10th lord Mercury has raja yoga with 5th lord in

2nd. This strongly suggests very good progress as an astrologer. As the

natal chart also shows promise as an astrologer, probably the native is an

astrologer. If he indeed is an astrologer, he may have made a lot of

progress in Pi dasa. Exaltation of 6th lord, his affliction of lagna lord

and placement of 12th lord in lagna suggests some health problems,

especially vaata related. Viparita raja yoga by Mars in 12th shows

excellent success after some hard work. The enterprise shown in previous

dasa may have paid off. Ketu in 11th shows making gains from things

related to spirituality or foreign sources. Debilitation of 9th lord Venus

in lagna may shows falling apart with guru or a passionate guru-like

figure.

 

(2) Moola dasa:

 

Sun: 1953-10-14 (18:27:00) - 1958-10-15 (01:13:12)

Ven: 1958-10-15 (01:13:12) - 1978-10-15 (04:15:01)

Moo: 1978-10-15 (04:15:01) - 1983-10-15 (11:06:54)

Jup: 1983-10-15 (11:06:54) - 1993-10-15 (00:31:32)

Sat: 1993-10-15 (00:31:32) - 2007-10-15 (14:44:42)

 

While Narayana dasa shows the changing environment and the efforts put in

by the native, Moola dasa taught by Varahamihira and Kalyana Verma shows

the *root cause* (moola = root) of what happens in one's life. It shows

how actions of the past life bring events of this life.

 

Let us take Jupiter dasa during 1983-1993. Jupiter is the 9th and 12th

lord and shows religious activities. He is in the 3rd house in

intellectual Gemini, showing intellectual communications. He is exalted in

9th in D-10 (chart of activities in society), showing dharmik activities.

He is in 10th in D-24 (chart of knowledge), showing a prominent role in

society (10th) in the field of knowledge (D-24).

 

More than all, we should look at D-60 when judging Moola dasa, as D-60

shows past life. IF this D-60 is correct, lagna is in Sc and Jupiter is in

2nd in moolatrikona with debilitated Rahu. Jupiter in 2nd in Sg strongly

suggests an astrologer. The native was probably an astrologer in past

life. Knowledge of one life will easily come in the next. If this D-60 is

correct, knowledge of astrology (or other fine traditional subjects)

should have come easily Jupiter's Moola dasa.

 

Jupiter, though strong, has Guru-Chandala yoga in D-60 and the native may

have fallen off with his guru in past life or otherwise displeased guru.

So it has to be paid back in Jupiter's Moola dasa in this life. It can

happen in many ways. For example, the native may have faced a great

difficulty in finding his guru or gone through troubles to please his guru

(in this life).

 

In D-60, Jupiter in Sg is in 12th from AL, showing noble expenditure in

past life. So Jupiter's Moola dasa in this life (83-93) should be good for

finances. Finances may have come easily for any noble tasks taken up by

the native (as a payback for what he did in past life).

 

The previous Moon dasa (1978-1983) may have shown him his dharma. In D-60,

Moon is 9th lord in 12th, suggesting spirituality. It is said that the

dharma followed by one saves one ( " dharmo rakshati rakshitah " ). Planets

showing the dharma followed in past life will, in this life, show the

right direction to one and put one on the right track. They make one

fortunate. So the native may have found his/her direction in life during

1978-1983.

 

Note: I have gone overboard with readings from D-60 and these can easily

be wrong, if lagna changes by a little. Even if this is wrong, this can

serve as an example.

 

Rasi and other divisional charts play a key role in deciding the results

given by planets. But D-60 is the final decider. Moola dasa is brilliant

there.

 

(3) Tribhagi Vimsottari dasa:

 

Ven: 1951-10-27 (02:15:23) - 1958-05-23 (02:15:23)

Sun: 1958-05-23 (02:15:23) - 1960-05-12 (02:15:23)

Moo: 1960-05-12 (02:15:23) - 1963-08-25 (02:15:23)

Mar: 1963-08-25 (02:15:23) - 1965-12-12 (02:15:23)

Rah: 1965-12-12 (02:15:23) - 1971-11-11 (02:15:23)

Jup: 1971-11-11 (02:15:23) - 1977-02-12 (02:15:23)

Sat: 1977-02-12 (02:15:23) - 1983-05-12 (02:15:23)

Mer: 1983-05-12 (02:15:23) - 1988-12-11 (02:15:23)

Ket: 1988-12-11 (02:15:23) - 1991-03-31 (02:15:23)

Ven: 1991-03-31 (02:15:23) - 1997-10-25 (02:15:23)

Sun: 1997-10-25 (02:15:23) - 1999-10-15 (02:15:23)

 

Tribhagi Vimsottari dasa shows the progression of janma nakshatra in one's

life, just as Narayana dasa shows the progression of lagna in one's life.

 

Let me just take second Venus dasa during 1991-1997 as an example. This is

really Bharani nakshatra's dasa. Taking Bharani as the progressed janma

nakshatra, karma nakshatra (10th star - professional activities) is Poorva

Phalguni. It is a raajasik nakshatra. It is occupied by Mars, lord of

kshema tara (from Bharani). So the native is likely perform activities in

society with passion and enterprise. This dasa may have infused a dose of

energy, passion and enterprise in his activities. Janma tara in Bharani

shows some attraction to wealth and luxury.

 

In the next dasa of Sun (Krittika) during 1997-1999, parama mitra tara

lord Venus in karma nakshatra (Uttara Phalguni) shows passion and savvy

exhibited in professional activities. Rahu in Uttarashadha (aadhaana

nakshatra - 19th) suggests anxiety and discomfort despite professional

success.

 

During Mars dasa (2003-2005), Mrigasira becomes janma nakshatra and karma

nakshatra Chitra has Sun and Saturn. The native may get involved in some

political wrangling then.

 

We can give many readings like this, but the best results are obtained by

taking transits in nakshatras into consideration.

 

(4) Vimsottari dasa:

 

Ven: 1947-11-19 (17:52:11) - 1967-08-06 (17:52:11)

Sun: 1967-08-06 (17:52:11) - 1973-07-05 (17:52:11)

Moo: 1973-07-05 (17:52:11) - 1983-05-14 (17:52:11)

Mar: 1983-05-14 (17:52:11) - 1990-04-07 (17:52:11)

Rah: 1990-04-07 (17:52:11) - 2008-01-03 (17:52:11)

 

Let us take Rahu dasa during 1990-2008. A planet in Prakasana avastha

(bright/glowing state) in 10th house in rasi chart brings light to one's

activities in society. Especially, the results for Rahu in Prakasana

avastha include prosperity in foreign places or prosperity through unusual

things, wealth, virtuous acts and eminence in a king's court. During Rahu

dasa, the native may have been involved in electronics, religion or occult

subjects and earned eminence, recognition from authorities and wealth. Sun

is an important reference when judging career and Rahu is in 5th from him.

This also supports some eminence. In D-10, Rahu owns Ravi lagna and

occupies 9th. This shows activities of religion.

 

We said that Vimsottari dasa shows events in life from the mind's

perspective. What do we mean by eminence and religious activities etc?

 

Well, basically the native is likely *feel* the way we described above. He

feels as though he is prospering and gaining eminence and recognition. If

he feels that way, it is probably true to some extent atleast. In that

sense, Vimsottari dasa shows what happens in one's life.

 

In D-24, Rahu is 2nd lord and occupies 11th from lagna, showing gains in

knowledge. With the sign containing him (Sc) being the 8th rasi of natural

zodiac, the native gains in occult and hidden knowledge. Being in arudha

lagna, he gives status as a learned man. Of course, this being Vimsottari

dasa, the correct way of saying it is that the native *feels* that he is

gaining in occult/hidden knowledge and becoming known as a learned man.

 

His feelings aside, his true knowledge and reputation is seen in Narayana

dasa of D-24.

 

(5) Narayana dasa of D-24:

 

Li: 1953-10-14 (18:27:00) - 1963-10-15 (08:04:54)

Sc: 1963-10-15 (08:04:54) - 1968-10-14 (14:52:56)

Sg: 1968-10-14 (14:52:56) - 1978-10-15 (04:15:01)

Cp: 1978-10-15 (04:15:01) - 1979-10-15 (10:30:38)

Aq: 1979-10-15 (10:30:38) - 1982-10-15 (04:57:22)

Pi: 1982-10-15 (04:57:22) - 1987-10-15 (11:47:09)

Ar: 1987-10-15 (11:47:09) - 1999-10-15 (13:30:28)

Ta: 1999-10-15 (13:30:28) - 2002-10-15 (07:53:07)

 

Narayana dasa of D-24 shows the evolution of one's learning.

 

The 2nd, 5th and 8th houses are important for astrological knowledge.

Jupiter and Mercury are natural significators. Aq is the 2nd house and it

is aspected by Jupiter. Mercury is the 9th lord and represents teacher in

this D-24. His association with Saturn and strong argala on Aq shows a

strong influence by a guru in one's learning. So the native may have made

excellent progress in astrology in 1979-1982 and learned directly from a

Mercurian guru. Aries dasa during 1987-1999 shows some technical learning.

Aries has Mars and it is the 6th from AL (arudha lagna)! Strong malefics

in 3rd and 6th from AL show victory and increase of status. So Ar dasa

must've brought a lot of reputation and status to the native as a learned

person.

 

(6) Kalachakra dasa:

 

Sg: 1945-02-06 (08:35:19) - 1954-12-16 (08:35:19)

Ar: 1954-12-16 (08:35:19) - 1961-11-09 (08:35:19)

Ta: 1961-11-09 (08:35:19) - 1977-08-17 (08:35:19)

Ge: 1977-08-17 (08:35:19) - 1986-07-01 (08:35:19)

Cn: 1986-07-01 (08:35:19) - 2007-03-13 (08:35:19)

 

Let us take Cn dasa as an example (1986-2007). Cn is the 9th house of duty

(dharma) in D-10 (chart of activities) and the 10th house of activities in

D-9 (chart of dharma). It has exalted Jupiter in D-10. In D-9

ashtakavarga, it has 35 rekhas and very strong. So Cn dasa is likely to

make the native discharge duties in society and play a prominent role in

the establishment of dharma in society. The native must be very dharmik

during 1986-2007.

 

Based on Vimsottari dasa and Tribhagi Vimsottari dasa, we saw that the

native may be attracted to wealth in this period and pursue raajasik ways.

We saw that he/she may be enterprising, passionate and exhibit some savvy

in professional activities. However, what Kalachakra dasa of Cn shows is

that there is a dharmik motivation and a deep sense of duty behind the

native's activities in society during this period! Raajasik passion to

succeed and to make money lives alongside a sattwik sense of dharma. The

two are two totally different things. One comes from nakshatras and the

other from navamsas.

 

I hope the distinction between what exactly Vimsottari dasa and Kalachakra

dasa can show, based on being rooted in nakshatra and navamsa

respectively, is somewhat clear now.

 

> Shyamasundara Dasa

>

> PS Please forward to .

 

I forwarded yesterday itself. Please forward my mail to your group(s).

 

BTW, I haven't written such long mails in a while. I hope there were some

list members who benefited from this analysis and the subtle points in it!

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha