Reply to Vijay - Practical Demonstration of Multiple Dasas

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OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

JAYA JAGANNATHA

 

Namaste Vijay,

 

We will wait for Gurudeva's answer. Meanwhile, regarding the three fold dasa interpretation of Narayana dasa, I think, in BPHS, for Vimshotari dasa, Parasara mentioned that depending on the dasa lord placement in drekkana the results will be seen. That is if the dasa lord is placed in 1st drekkana, the effect of the dasa lord will be more in the 1st part of the dasa, if it is in the 2nd drekkana, the second part of the dasa will show the full effect of the dasa. So, the same may be applied for Tribhagi dasa. Anyhow, we will wait for Gurudeva's answer.

 

Thanks

Solai Kannan

 

PS. I think you sent this mail to Vedic-Astrology. Some of them, in VA might not know about Tribaghi dasa, so I am sending this reply to Varahamihira.

 

Pingali Vijaya Kumara Lakshmi Narayana Rao [pvklnrao]Friday, December 22, 2000 11:46 AMvedic astrology Subject: RE: [vedic astrology] Practical Demonstration of Multiple Dasas (for Shyamasundara)

 

Pranam Sanjay,

 

Narasimha in his detailed reply to Shyamasundara had attempted to show why and how to use different dasa systems.

How ever, one thing was not clear to me.

 

When do we use Tribhagi Vimsottari and when do we use usual Vimsottari? What matters are shown individually by both of these

Variations.

 

Some time back, while answering some question on interpretation of Narayana Dasa

(Narayana Dasa.pdf, towards end of file)

1. That the period of the sign is to be devided into three parts to understand the trend of the Narayana Dasa.

 

2. If the sign is beneficial then the results will be in the first one-third, if malefic then its results will be in the last one-third. Pisces is the exception where the results will be in the middle always.

 

3. The remaining two parts whould be governed by (a) the lord of the sign and (b) the planets placed in it or if none are placed, then those aspecting it.

 

Can we have similar guide lines for tribhagi vimsottari?

 

Do we have a tribhagi variation of Narayana Dasa? If so, the first cycle of dasa, (total 6 cycles will be there) should be considered similar to first 1/3 part of Normal Narayana Dasa while interpreting. Is this correct?

 

Regards,

Vijay

 

Sarvae jaanaa: sukhinoe bhavantu

 

Narasimha_Rao [Narasimha_Rao]Friday, December 22, 2000 12:07 AMShyamasundara.ACBSP; varahamihira ; vedic astrology Cc: gauranga; srathSubject: [vedic astrology] Practical Demonstration of Multiple Dasas (for Shyamasundara)

 

Jaya Jaya JagannathaNamaste Shyamasundara Prabhu,Thank you for your mail and the challenge therein. I must clarify that Iam not an expert in using multiple dasas. I am a student who is stilltrying to learn. But, even as my knowledge is incomplete, I passionatelyshare my limited knowledge with fellow students. My understanding of thefascinating subject of Jyotish is still evolving.Nevertheless I will try to demonstrate the use of multiple dasas as youasked. I hope I can satisfy you and other scholars on the lists.> As you can see I am only now getting a chance to comment on> something you> wrote almost 2 weeks ago. On December 8th you wrote:I too have many things to do, but I free up time when something comes upthat can potentially benefit tens or hundreds of people as opposed to justone or two.> This sounds very intriguing and could lead to some very interesting> areas> of> research. May I ask some questions?>> 1) Is there any sastra pramana to corroborate this theory? Or, is> this> theory extrapolated from general principles? (I have no problem with> the> later as long as they don't conflict with accepted axioms.)The latter. And, I don't think there is a conflict.> 2) Satyacarya has stated that the Nakshatra hosting the Lagna should> be> taken as Janma Nakshatra for Udu Dasa if the Lagna is stronger than> Candra.> What happens to this theory if Satyacarya's principle where to be> followed?Vimsottari dasa, whether started from Moon or lagna, is based on*nakshatras*. Rasi dasas are based on *rasis*. Kalachakra dasa is based on*navamsas*. Rasis, nakshatras and navamsas are three totally differentdivisions of the zodiac. The nature of a dasa depends on which division ofthe zodiac it is rooted in! THAT is my point. I may not have been carefulwith the wording.Rasi division is ruled by Sun and nakshatra division is ruled by Moon.> 3) I mean, it sounds nice but how does it work? What is the> difference between> the "mind" and the "inner spirit of the mind?" What is the practical> use of> it? It is starting to sound a bit too "new-age" for me. So please> destroy> my> doubts in this matter and show me how I can use this to be a better> astrologer. Which leads to...I can only try.Suppose a political leader becomes the Prime Minister of a country.Suppose he is enjoying great power. Then that is what his relevant rasidasas are expected to show. Narayana dasas show the effort one puts in andthe situations one faces, in various areas of life. Sudasa ruled byLakshmi shows the prosperity and well-being experienced by oneself invarious areas of life.Rasis are ruled by Sun, while Nakshatras are ruled by Moon. So nakshatrasshow the planetary factors functioning at the mental level. The PM in theabove example may be *feeling* very powerful and that is what hisVimsottari dasa will show then. Of course, *often* there is a directcorrespondence between the situations faced by one and what one feels.This PM may beget power due to a good rasi dasa and feel powerful due to agood Vimsottari dasa, but, if he has an unfavorable Kalachakra dasa, hemay still feel a void. For example, if he had to break his ideology to winpower or if he felt as if he missed something, he will not be comfortabledeep inside, depite feeling powerful and enjoying the trappings of power.Navamsa shows the pursuit of dharma and the sense of connectedness. As KCDis rooted in navamsa, the best things to see in it are the motivation onehas and the sense of connectedness one experiences.I think my comments on the example you gave will make this clearer. Sojust read on.> 4) Please give us a practical example of it in action using the> following> birth details:>> Male, born Oct 14, 1953 @ 18:27 CST in Washington Missouri (MO)> 91w01,> 38n33,>> Lagna Mesha 21:46> Ravi Kanya 28:11> Candra Dhanus 17:22> Kuja Simha 25:51> Buddha Tula 20:58> Guru Mithuna 03:18> Sukra Kanya 02:21> Sani Tula 05:54> Rahu Makara 06:03> Ketu Kataka 06:03>> I am particularly interested in the period from September 26, 1983> to> present but with special interest in 1986-92. Based on your> statements> above> can you write a few paragraphs describing his life from the vantage> point> of> his mind, changing situations faced by the physical self, and> inner> spirit> of one's mind? How would these be different?> You have specified that Drig Dasa is for timing religious and> spiritual> life. Can you give us a practical example based on the same chart> above.>> Also, what are the other Dasas that have special uses and what are> those> uses? I beg to remain...I will now try to make some comments on what may have happened to thisnative in the last 2 decades, based on multiple dasas. It should be bornein mind that (1) I am not infallible and my understanding is stillevolving, and, (2) I haven't done any birthtime rectification as youhaven't given any life events. I am going to ASSUME that the birthtime isaccurate. If what I write makes no sense, please give me some life eventsand I will try to rectify the birthtime.I will not go deep in any dasa, as the purpose here is to demonstrate howmultiple dasas can give insights on various aspects of one's life in theirown way.First, a comment based on the natal chart: This native has 5 planets arein Prakaasana avastha (bright and glowing state) and two kendra lords inGopuramsa. The native must be a blessed soul. Nearly exact aspect of 3rdlord Mercury on lagna suggests an eloquent scholar. Lagna being in Ariesand Mars being in fiery signs in many vargas suggests an aggressive andenterprising person with ego and fire.(1) Narayana dasa of rasi chart: Li: 1953-10-14 (18:27:00) - 1963-10-15 (08:04:54) Sc: 1963-10-15 (08:04:54) - 1972-10-14 (15:25:53) Sg: 1972-10-14 (15:25:53) - 1978-10-15 (04:15:01) Cp: 1978-10-15 (04:15:01) - 1982-10-15 (04:57:22) Aq: 1982-10-15 (04:57:22) - 1987-10-15 (11:47:09) Pi: 1987-10-15 (11:47:09) - 1996-10-14 (19:05:30) Ar: 1996-10-14 (19:05:30) - 2000-10-14 (19:45:59) Ta: 2000-10-14 (19:45:59) - 2003-10-15 (14:10:26)As dasas started from the 7th house, the 7th from dasa rasi should betaken as lagna during a dasa.In Cp dasa (78-82), lagna is Cn. Lagna has spiritual Ketu in a waterysign. The native may have led a spiritual lifestyle. Lagna lord Moon is inSg (9th of natural zodiac), aspected by Jupiter, and that strengthens theindications for a religious and dharmik lifestyle. The 9th lord Jupiter isin 12th. That also indicates religious activities and a possible stay in ahermitage. Of course, 9th lord in 12th can also give foreign stay.In Aq dasa (82-87), Le becomes lagna. Lagna has yogakaraka Mars in a fierysign. So the native may have been very aggressive, bold and enterprisingduring this dasa. In ashtakavarga cast with Leo as lagna, Ge has thehighest score (35) and Jupiter has 7. So some gains and friendships (11th)related to higher knowledge (Jupiter) are suggested. Mercury in 3rd showssome creative Mercurian work like writing or journalism.In Pi dasa (87-96), Vi becomes lagna. From Vi, the 10th house ofprofession has Jupiter. This suggests teaching or astrology or some othernoble work. Lagna and 10th lord Mercury has raja yoga with 5th lord in2nd. This strongly suggests very good progress as an astrologer. As thenatal chart also shows promise as an astrologer, probably the native is anastrologer. If he indeed is an astrologer, he may have made a lot ofprogress in Pi dasa. Exaltation of 6th lord, his affliction of lagna lordand placement of 12th lord in lagna suggests some health problems,especially vaata related. Viparita raja yoga by Mars in 12th showsexcellent success after some hard work. The enterprise shown in previousdasa may have paid off. Ketu in 11th shows making gains from thingsrelated to spirituality or foreign sources. Debilitation of 9th lord Venusin lagna may shows falling apart with guru or a passionate guru-likefigure.(2) Moola dasa: Sun: 1953-10-14 (18:27:00) - 1958-10-15 (01:13:12) Ven: 1958-10-15 (01:13:12) - 1978-10-15 (04:15:01) Moo: 1978-10-15 (04:15:01) - 1983-10-15 (11:06:54) Jup: 1983-10-15 (11:06:54) - 1993-10-15 (00:31:32) Sat: 1993-10-15 (00:31:32) - 2007-10-15 (14:44:42)While Narayana dasa shows the changing environment and the efforts put inby the native, Moola dasa taught by Varahamihira and Kalyana Verma showsthe *root cause* (moola = root) of what happens in one's life. It showshow actions of the past life bring events of this life.Let us take Jupiter dasa during 1983-1993. Jupiter is the 9th and 12thlord and shows religious activities. He is in the 3rd house inintellectual Gemini, showing intellectual communications. He is exalted in9th in D-10 (chart of activities in society), showing dharmik activities.He is in 10th in D-24 (chart of knowledge), showing a prominent role insociety (10th) in the field of knowledge (D-24).More than all, we should look at D-60 when judging Moola dasa, as D-60shows past life. IF this D-60 is correct, lagna is in Sc and Jupiter is in2nd in moolatrikona with debilitated Rahu. Jupiter in 2nd in Sg stronglysuggests an astrologer. The native was probably an astrologer in pastlife. Knowledge of one life will easily come in the next. If this D-60 iscorrect, knowledge of astrology (or other fine traditional subjects)should have come easily Jupiter's Moola dasa.Jupiter, though strong, has Guru-Chandala yoga in D-60 and the native mayhave fallen off with his guru in past life or otherwise displeased guru.So it has to be paid back in Jupiter's Moola dasa in this life. It canhappen in many ways. For example, the native may have faced a greatdifficulty in finding his guru or gone through troubles to please his guru(in this life).In D-60, Jupiter in Sg is in 12th from AL, showing noble expenditure inpast life. So Jupiter's Moola dasa in this life (83-93) should be good forfinances. Finances may have come easily for any noble tasks taken up bythe native (as a payback for what he did in past life).The previous Moon dasa (1978-1983) may have shown him his dharma. In D-60,Moon is 9th lord in 12th, suggesting spirituality. It is said that thedharma followed by one saves one ("dharmo rakshati rakshitah"). Planetsshowing the dharma followed in past life will, in this life, show theright direction to one and put one on the right track. They make onefortunate. So the native may have found his/her direction in life during1978-1983.Note: I have gone overboard with readings from D-60 and these can easilybe wrong, if lagna changes by a little. Even if this is wrong, this canserve as an example.Rasi and other divisional charts play a key role in deciding the resultsgiven by planets. But D-60 is the final decider. Moola dasa is brilliantthere.(3) Tribhagi Vimsottari dasa: Ven: 1951-10-27 (02:15:23) - 1958-05-23 (02:15:23) Sun: 1958-05-23 (02:15:23) - 1960-05-12 (02:15:23) Moo: 1960-05-12 (02:15:23) - 1963-08-25 (02:15:23) Mar: 1963-08-25 (02:15:23) - 1965-12-12 (02:15:23) Rah: 1965-12-12 (02:15:23) - 1971-11-11 (02:15:23) Jup: 1971-11-11 (02:15:23) - 1977-02-12 (02:15:23) Sat: 1977-02-12 (02:15:23) - 1983-05-12 (02:15:23) Mer: 1983-05-12 (02:15:23) - 1988-12-11 (02:15:23) Ket: 1988-12-11 (02:15:23) - 1991-03-31 (02:15:23) Ven: 1991-03-31 (02:15:23) - 1997-10-25 (02:15:23) Sun: 1997-10-25 (02:15:23) - 1999-10-15 (02:15:23)Tribhagi Vimsottari dasa shows the progression of janma nakshatra in one'slife, just as Narayana dasa shows the progression of lagna in one's life.Let me just take second Venus dasa during 1991-1997 as an example. This isreally Bharani nakshatra's dasa. Taking Bharani as the progressed janmanakshatra, karma nakshatra (10th star - professional activities) is PoorvaPhalguni. It is a raajasik nakshatra. It is occupied by Mars, lord ofkshema tara (from Bharani). So the native is likely perform activities insociety with passion and enterprise. This dasa may have infused a dose ofenergy, passion and enterprise in his activities. Janma tara in Bharanishows some attraction to wealth and luxury.In the next dasa of Sun (Krittika) during 1997-1999, parama mitra taralord Venus in karma nakshatra (Uttara Phalguni) shows passion and savvyexhibited in professional activities. Rahu in Uttarashadha (aadhaananakshatra - 19th) suggests anxiety and discomfort despite professionalsuccess.During Mars dasa (2003-2005), Mrigasira becomes janma nakshatra and karmanakshatra Chitra has Sun and Saturn. The native may get involved in somepolitical wrangling then.We can give many readings like this, but the best results are obtained bytaking transits in nakshatras into consideration.(4) Vimsottari dasa: Ven: 1947-11-19 (17:52:11) - 1967-08-06 (17:52:11) Sun: 1967-08-06 (17:52:11) - 1973-07-05 (17:52:11) Moo: 1973-07-05 (17:52:11) - 1983-05-14 (17:52:11) Mar: 1983-05-14 (17:52:11) - 1990-04-07 (17:52:11) Rah: 1990-04-07 (17:52:11) - 2008-01-03 (17:52:11)Let us take Rahu dasa during 1990-2008. A planet in Prakasana avastha(bright/glowing state) in 10th house in rasi chart brings light to one'sactivities in society. Especially, the results for Rahu in Prakasanaavastha include prosperity in foreign places or prosperity through unusualthings, wealth, virtuous acts and eminence in a king's court. During Rahudasa, the native may have been involved in electronics, religion or occultsubjects and earned eminence, recognition from authorities and wealth. Sunis an important reference when judging career and Rahu is in 5th from him.This also supports some eminence. In D-10, Rahu owns Ravi lagna andoccupies 9th. This shows activities of religion.We said that Vimsottari dasa shows events in life from the mind'sperspective. What do we mean by eminence and religious activities etc?Well, basically the native is likely *feel* the way we described above. Hefeels as though he is prospering and gaining eminence and recognition. Ifhe feels that way, it is probably true to some extent atleast. In thatsense, Vimsottari dasa shows what happens in one's life.In D-24, Rahu is 2nd lord and occupies 11th from lagna, showing gains inknowledge. With the sign containing him (Sc) being the 8th rasi of naturalzodiac, the native gains in occult and hidden knowledge. Being in arudhalagna, he gives status as a learned man. Of course, this being Vimsottaridasa, the correct way of saying it is that the native *feels* that he isgaining in occult/hidden knowledge and becoming known as a learned man.His feelings aside, his true knowledge and reputation is seen in Narayanadasa of D-24.(5) Narayana dasa of D-24: Li: 1953-10-14 (18:27:00) - 1963-10-15 (08:04:54) Sc: 1963-10-15 (08:04:54) - 1968-10-14 (14:52:56) Sg: 1968-10-14 (14:52:56) - 1978-10-15 (04:15:01) Cp: 1978-10-15 (04:15:01) - 1979-10-15 (10:30:38) Aq: 1979-10-15 (10:30:38) - 1982-10-15 (04:57:22) Pi: 1982-10-15 (04:57:22) - 1987-10-15 (11:47:09) Ar: 1987-10-15 (11:47:09) - 1999-10-15 (13:30:28) Ta: 1999-10-15 (13:30:28) - 2002-10-15 (07:53:07)Narayana dasa of D-24 shows the evolution of one's learning.The 2nd, 5th and 8th houses are important for astrological knowledge.Jupiter and Mercury are natural significators. Aq is the 2nd house and itis aspected by Jupiter. Mercury is the 9th lord and represents teacher inthis D-24. His association with Saturn and strong argala on Aq shows astrong influence by a guru in one's learning. So the native may have madeexcellent progress in astrology in 1979-1982 and learned directly from aMercurian guru. Aries dasa during 1987-1999 shows some technical learning.Aries has Mars and it is the 6th from AL (arudha lagna)! Strong maleficsin 3rd and 6th from AL show victory and increase of status. So Ar dasamust've brought a lot of reputation and status to the native as a learnedperson.(6) Kalachakra dasa: Sg: 1945-02-06 (08:35:19) - 1954-12-16 (08:35:19) Ar: 1954-12-16 (08:35:19) - 1961-11-09 (08:35:19) Ta: 1961-11-09 (08:35:19) - 1977-08-17 (08:35:19) Ge: 1977-08-17 (08:35:19) - 1986-07-01 (08:35:19) Cn: 1986-07-01 (08:35:19) - 2007-03-13 (08:35:19)Let us take Cn dasa as an example (1986-2007). Cn is the 9th house of duty(dharma) in D-10 (chart of activities) and the 10th house of activities inD-9 (chart of dharma). It has exalted Jupiter in D-10. In D-9ashtakavarga, it has 35 rekhas and very strong. So Cn dasa is likely tomake the native discharge duties in society and play a prominent role inthe establishment of dharma in society. The native must be very dharmikduring 1986-2007.Based on Vimsottari dasa and Tribhagi Vimsottari dasa, we saw that thenative may be attracted to wealth in this period and pursue raajasik ways.We saw that he/she may be enterprising, passionate and exhibit some savvyin professional activities. However, what Kalachakra dasa of Cn shows isthat there is a dharmik motivation and a deep sense of duty behind thenative's activities in society during this period! Raajasik passion tosucceed and to make money lives alongside a sattwik sense of dharma. Thetwo are two totally different things. One comes from nakshatras and theother from navamsas.I hope the distinction between what exactly Vimsottari dasa and Kalachakradasa can show, based on being rooted in nakshatra and navamsarespectively, is somewhat clear now.> Shyamasundara Dasa>> PS Please forward to .I forwarded yesterday itself. Please forward my mail to your group(s).BTW, I haven't written such long mails in a while. I hope there were somelist members who benefited from this analysis and the subtle points in it!May Jupiter's light shine on us,NarasimhaArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

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