Guest guest Posted September 28, 2000 Report Share Posted September 28, 2000 Jaya Jagannath Dear Frank GH is pronounced as in GHEE. RI as in RITUAL. Thus GHRI forms one phoneme. N as in VISHNU or in PraNAva. I is the long EE. Thus pronounce GHRI_NEE With Best Wishes, Sanjay Rath - Frank in Austin <fschmidt <varahamihira > Thursday, September 28, 2000 6:41 AM [sri Guru] Surya-Aditya Mantra > Hare Rama Krishna > > Looking for assistance... I am looking at the following Mantra ( from Vedic > Remedies pg. 151 ) > > Om Hrim Ghrinih Surya Aaditya Shrim > ... and am not certain on the Ghrinih pronunciation.... can anyone assist? > is it: > a. GAh-inn-h > b. GUR-ini > c. GHAAh - nin-he > d. GRINi-h > e. none of the above it's _________________ > > Phonetically , can anyone assist. > > pranam, > > Frank In Austin > / fschmidt > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2000 Report Share Posted September 28, 2000 > Jaya Jagannath > Dear Frank > GH is pronounced as in GHEE. RI as in RITUAL. Thus GHRI forms one phoneme. > N as in VISHNU or in PraNAva. I is the long EE. Thus pronounce GHRI_NEE > With Best Wishes, > Sanjay Rath Pranaam Sanjay, If " ri " in " ghrini " is pronounced as ri in " ritual " , it is not a vowel. It has an explicit consonant in it. But it is supposed to be a vowel. As per grammar, ri+a=ra. But with the pronunciation you gave, ri+a=rya. Though many people pronounce it that way, it is certainly incorrect. There is no doubt. The same holds for " ri " in pitri, krishna, rishi etc. The correct pronunciation of the VOWEL " ri " is to try to pronounce the consonant " r " and stop in the middle. Vowel ri is to the sound r, what vowel i is to the sound y. Just as i+a=ya, ri+a=ra. One should pronounce the vowel " ri " in such a way that saying the vowel " a " immediately after it results in the sound " ra " . There are some corruptions in the way Sanskrit is pronounced today, but we can reconstruct the correct pronunciation if we pay attention to the classics on phonology and grammar by Panini and others. Your sishya, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2000 Report Share Posted September 30, 2000 >The " experts " you consulted are clearly wrong. Irrespective >of how learned they are, they obviously don't have any clue >in this particular issue. [...] > >South Indian pronunciation of " ri " as " ru " is not correct >either. [...] > >The pronunciation I described alone can be correct. I second that. When it comes to Sanskrit phonology, Narasimha is right on. Hari Om -- santih, santih, santih Beatrice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2000 Report Share Posted September 30, 2000 Om Om Om Om Om Hayagreevaaya Namah Pranaam Gurudeva, > Jaya Jagannath > Dear Beatrice & Narasimha, > I accept your views with all humility and am delighted to see such experts > in SJVC. Jagannath Mahaprabhu has ensured that the best are here and I don't > have to look outside. So, Narasimha, can you record the Mantra and mail the > same as wav or mp3 file for the benefit of all? > With Best Wishes, > Sanjay Rath I do not expect any humility from you. When I am confident, I make my point with all the force I can summon. I hope for others to see my point, but I do not expect any humility. All that matters to me is that truth should prevail. I will record (1) Brihaspati Gayatri and (2) just the word " Brihaspati " and email the former to you and put the second one on the web for everyone's benefit. I am out of town and I will do it after I go back. Second, my pronunciation of " ri " may still be inaccurate. It's clear to me that it is not ri in " ritual " or the shorter version of ru in " rule " . It is clear to me that it is on the top border of vowel trapezium, at the trisection point of " i " and " u " (close to " i " ). The top border of vowel trapezium has i, ri, lu and u and we get ya, ra, la and va by adding " a " to each of them. However, we can guess only the approximate place from phonology. The exact position can be a little off. (But, this is much closer than " ri " and " ru " , which are not vowels at all.) Third, my specialization is only in phonology and pronunciation of individual sounds and interactions. When it comes to Vedic mantras, there are intonation notations that specify the length of time for which each syllable must be pronounced. As I do not have a formal training, my intonation will be wrong. So you should only accept the pronunciation of " ri " and consult experts in Vedic mantras for the rest. (I just want to put my expertise in perspective, so that I don't mislead others. Each person has expertise in a specific thing and we should combine all.) Your sishya, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2000 Report Share Posted October 1, 2000 >my specialization is only in phonology and pronunciation >of individual sounds and interactions. When it comes to Vedic >mantras, there are intonation notations that specify the length >of time for which each syllable must be pronounced. Unlike the recitation of itihasa and purana or of classical Sanskrit texts, pitch is a necessary feature of Vedic recitation. Only someone trained in Vedic recitation will be able to do it properly. Hari Om -- santih santih santih Beatrice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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