Guest guest Posted September 1, 1999 Report Share Posted September 1, 1999 Dear Gauranga, Jaya Jagannath, I am forwarding your mail to the SJVC Astrology Class varahamihira for further response from Sarat, Manpreet, Dinanath & others. Hare Krishna, Sanjay - Gauranga Das <gauranga Sanjay Rath <srath Tuesday, August 31, 1999 11:33 PM Re: Waiting for response ---------- > Dear Gauranga, > Again there is a loss of mail. Dina-Nath Das has helped me with this > computer and things seem OK now. Please send mail to srath as > that is a very reliable account and I get all mail without anything getting > lost or deleted when the server is down for repair in India. > Hare Krishna, > Sanjay I've sent this to ypur Pronto address as well. JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Sanjay Rath Prabhu, Please accept my Dandavats. I have sent this same letter to You more than a week before, but obviously You didn't receive it, so I'm resending it to Yuor new email address. I will first try to answer Your questions and then redo the exercise as You have asked. But I'm a beginner, so don't expect a very deep knowledge of Jyotish's methods from me. > SRath: WHICH HOUSES RULE JYOTISH? I WANT AN OBJECTIVE ANSWER PLEASE. Acc. to BV Raman the 1st and 10th, and the 5th also. Obviously the 1st would mean the self, the abilities. I've got Ketu there, which could give some light. it's lord, the Sun (jeeva) is in the 5th (intelligence, knowledge of the future/Phaladipika). This might be helpful. I've got Jupiter in Leo Navamsha, which is wisdom, also helpful. The 10th is profession, also aspected by Jupiter, who is the lord of Pisces (intuition). The second house is Vidya (learning), Lord is Mercury in Sagittari, Jupiter's house, and also 5th! So they are interconnected. Plus, Venus is in Virgo Navamsha. This would explain Jup-Ven Dasha. > But the Lagna would be Simha I think, as I'm quite a Leo-like person. I have > great plans and I'm never satisfied with myself, I like to be the boss, and > SRath: WHY DO YOU THINK. WHY ARE YOU NOT SURE? Well, intuitively I'm sure. The time can't be checked factually. But the chart describes me, so I accept. I'm sure. You convinced me. > SRath: THIS IS NOT AN EVENT. IT IS A WEAKNESS. I AM NOT INTERESTED IN > KNOWING ABOUT YOUR WEAKNESSES AT THIS STAGE. IN ANY CASE SINCE YOU MENTION > IT, DON'T YOU THINK THIS CAN ALSO BE ATTRIBUTED TO THE 10TH LORD IN THE 4TH > HOUSE? Yes, Venus makes me unstable. Acc. to BV Raman it may give malefic results to Leo ascendant. > SRath: WHICH HOUSE RULES GIRLFRIENDS? SHOULD WE NOT SEE THE NAVAMSA IF THE > RELATIONSHIP WAS MORE THAN JUST " GIRLFRIEND " ? PLEASE READ THIS ALSO. Girlfriends are 5th. Marriage is 7th. Uh, I feel empowered by You. My Navamsha Lagna is Taurus. 7th from it is Scorpio with Sun and Moon it it. Mars is in the 2nd. 2nd is family bonds. So I thought that we would get married. Sun and Moon also shows that this is important at the same time conflicting for me (positive-negative powers clashing), plus lord is Mars, which is Atmakarak, so the relationship is important for me but causes much suffering. > I became a vegetarian in Ju-Ju-Sa, > SRath:WHY? Continuing the previous string, my girlfriend convinced me (2nd house-food), Mars, lord of 7th is in 2nd in Navamsha kundali. > Lord of Moon sign). When the Ju-Ju-Ketu subperiod came, quite a few deep > changes happened. > SRath: WHY? IS IT BECAUSE OF KETU IN 1ST OR IN 10TH FROM JUPITER? Because it's in 1st, indicating deep changes and enlightenment. In Navamsha it's in the 12th, meaning insight, realisations. In 10th from Jupiter it would indicate external, professional changes which occurred. > I stopped my relationship with my girlfriend (Ketu > aspects 7th, and has separating effect) > SRath: NO SUCH THING AS " SEPARATING EFFECT " . PLEASE QUOTE THE SUTRA FOR THE > " SEPARATING EFFECT " . THERE IS A VERY SPECIFIC REASON. TRY TO ANSWER THIS. I guess You refer to the Upadesa Sutras. Fortune I have them (Your translation). I just opened it to find out. 1.4.2 says: " If the second from upapada has malefic aspects or conjunctions the native loses his wife or renounces the world. " So upapada is the arudha of the 12th house from Lagna (Cancer in my case). It's lord Moon is in the 11th. So I have to add 11 signs to Gemini, that's Taurus. Second from upapada is Gemini again. It has full aspect of Rahu, Saturn, Sun, and Mercury. As Mercury associates with ths Sun it may also be taken as malefic. the result: 4 malefic planets. Will the same happen to my present wife in Sani-Rahu dasha? > , because she didn't want to take > Krishna consciousness as seriously as me. > SRath: THAT WAS THE EXCUSE. >From my side? So was this my fate then? > So then I joined the Hare Krishna > temple in Budapest and became a monk (brahmacari) at the end of October > 1990. This was the greatest change in my life. Ketu is in the 1st house, so > it > may give fundamental changes, and is called Moksha-karaka, so it liberated > me from meny worldly attachments. > SRath: WHAT ARE THE COMBINATIONS FOR TAPASWI YOGA? SHOULD THIS NOT APPLY IN > YOUR CHART? Well, as per Parasara Hora I found only one and even that not applying fully. In the 8th verse of the chapter on pravrajya he says: " if the Moon be in Drekkana of Saturn and also in the Navamsa os Saturn or Mars and aspected by Saturn, the native will be an ascetic of the type signified by Saturn. " So Moon is aspected by Saturn, is in Scorpio navamsha, but in Gemini Drekkana in my chart. What would this give? I don't want to become a naked ascetic. > It also partakes of the nature of Mars, > which rules 9th and 4th (where Jupiter is) and is Atmakarak. So I was put > into a good place by Krishna. Ketu also finished up my studies at the > university. > SRath: NO, THAT IS NOT THE REASON. WHICH HOUSE DOES KETU OWN AND WHICH > PLANETS DOES IT DISPOSIT? It owns Scorpio and this disposits Jupiter and Venus. am I correct? 4th house is studies. > I went to India first in 1992 Ju-Sa-Sa (also 9th > house, pligrimage to holy places), > SRath: SATURN IN 9TH IS BAD FOR DHARMA, THEY WHY THIS EXCEPTION FOR YOU? Maybe because it's in the sign of Mars (Atmakarak) and is aspected by it as well? If I'm correct Mars is my Yoga karaka as well. Oh, another idea: Maybe because Saturn is retrograde, therefore giving the opposite effect as usual? >I THINK IN SANI DASA YOU WILL COME TO STAY IN INDIA FOR LONG PERIODS. WHY? I can't guess that one. But I wouldn't be against. > So I was a brahmacari until October 1997 and then I got > married on the instruction of my Guru Maharaj. We began associating with > my wife literally in the days when my Ju-Ve Antardasha commenced. So > Venus subperiods tend to bring relationships to me. I hope this will be the > last one and last long. > SRath: EXPLAIN THE EVENT USING THE DARAPADA AND UPAPADA. Uhh. I haven't studied that so far. Darapada and Upapada are both Gemini if I got it right. Jupiter is the karaka for upapada and Venus is the karaka for darapada. So they came together and this was both an emotional and an institutional step. We loved each other and we got married. So both significators are involved. > We had our legal marriage on the 6th of June > (Ju-Ve-Mo) and Vivaha samskar on 9th of October (Ju-Ve-Ra). The second > one was more important, and Rahu is in 7th. I hope it won't give so much > suffering in marriage. > SRath: EXPLAIN THE EVENT USING THE DARAPADA AND UPAPADA. As they coincide, I may give a united explanation. The 2nd from upapada (or darapada) is Cancer. Its lord is Moon, which is aspected by Rahu in the 7th natal. The other two planets explained above. Is this correct? > I also got a small house in Nov. Both things were > predicted to come through although we were unsure until the last moments. > SRath: WHO PREDICTED AND WHAT WAS THE BASIS? Devarsi pr. I don't know the basis as he didn't explain and I was a dummy at that time. > SRath: THE HOUSES OWNED BY THE ATMAKARAKA INDICATES THE DIRECTIONS FROM > WHICH THE VOICE OF GOD WILL BE HEARD. (LESSON #1) DOES YOUR AK HAVE ANY > RELATIONSHIP WITH THE 11TH HOUSE? Yes, it's in Gemini Navamsha. > SRath: VERY GOOD. MAY SRI JAGANNATHA BLESS THE HOME. Thank You. > I think that our fate is not determined by the planetary influences, > SRath: FATE IS DETERMINED BY THE PLANETS, BUT KARMA IS DIFFERENT. FATE SHOWS > THE SITUATIONS A PERSON WILL BE IN WHEREAS KARMA SHOWS HOW THE PERSON REACTS > TO THESE SITUATIONS. THUS IN JYOTISH WE MUST HAVE TWO PARALLEL AND > SIMULTANEOUSLY OPERATING DASA SYSTEMS TO DETERMINE (A) FATE AND (B) THE > REACTION/KARMA OR ANUBHAVA. THE BEST TWO ACCORDING TO ME ARE (A) NARAYANA > DASA & (B) VIMSOTTARI DASA. I don't know the Narayana Dasa. How does it work? > but by our karma, or past deeds. So the planetary movements only indicate > the different > karmic forces that are acting upon us. > SRath: IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY WE HARDLY USE PLANETARY MOVEMENTS, AND RELY MORE > ON THE FIXED KUNDALI. KARMIC FORCES DO NOT ACT ON US. THESE ARE IN THE FORM > OF PAST GOOD KARMA (JUP) & BAD KARMA (SAT) ATTACHED TO THE ATMA (SUN) THAT > TENDS TO BRIGHTEN OR BLUR THE LIGHT OF THE ATMA (SUN) THAT COMES TO THE MANA > (MOON). THUS AT DIFFERENT TIMES THE MANA IS RECEIVING DIFFERENT LEVELS OF > LIGHT FROM THE ATMA...THIS IS SIGNIFIED BY JUPITER CALLED JEEVA. NOW,THE > ICCHA SHAKTI (DESIRE) IS THE CAUSE OF REBIRTH AND EVEN THE DESIRE FOR MOKSHA > IS AN ATTACHMENT THAT MAY CAUSE REBIRTH. THESE ICCHA (DESIRE) ARE SEEN FROM > VENUS. THUS, THESE TWO JUPITER AND VENUS BECOME THE TWO GURU'S OF THE > CHART...ONE SHOWING THE LIGHT OF THE ATMA AND THE OTHER SHOWING THE DESIRES > AND WAYS TO FULFIL THEM. So what do they give together in the 4th? They are also disposited by Mars, the Atmakarak. Would that mean that they come together into surrender to Krishna in Ketu-Mars Dasa and I leave my body in Krsna consciousness (Ketu is in Aries navamsha)? > They are all Krishna's shaktis, so if we > worship Him, we are protected from negative karma in the best way. > SRath: KARMA IS IN YOUR HANDS. THAT IS WHY IT WAS NECESSARY FOR BHAGAVAN TO > TAKE SO MUCH TROUBLE TO EXPLAIN THE BHAGAVAT GITA TO ARJUNA. IF KRSNA > WANTED, THERE WAS NO NEED TO EXPLAIN ANYTHING TO ARJUNA. HE COULD SIMPLY > HAVE ORDERED HIM TO FIGHT. BUT BHAGAVAN IS DHARMA HIMSELF AND BY HIS ACTION > OF EXPLAINING SHOWED THE GREATEST TRUTH...EVEN WHEN WE BECOME GURU'S WE > SHOULD TRY TO EXPLAIN INSTEAD OF ORDERING AROUND. THE HOUSES CONTROLLING > KARMA ARE CALLED THE UPACHAYA OR THE HOUSES OF GROWTH. THESE ARE THE 3RD, > 6TH,10TH & 11TH. NOW TELL ME WHY THESE HOUSES WERE CHOSEN. WHY NOT OTHERS. 3rd is friends, co-born. By viewing their example we could advance in self realization. 6th is enemies, to whom we were enemies before, and debts, which we left behind. Diseases are also karmic reactions.10th is our role in the society and practical deeds, or example as well. 11th is gains that come from good karma. Am I correct? > SRath: NOTHING CAN EVER BE BORING FOR A TEACHER. THE DAY HE GETS BORED, HE > IS NO LONGER QUALIFIED TO TEACH. Thank You. So now I will try to pin down a few events. 1. Birth 1971.01.09 Budapest 2. Going to school 1977.09.01. Moscow 3. Coming home from Moscow to Budapest 1981.06 4. School (primary and secondary) in Budapest 1981. 09 - 1987.12 5. Going to Moscow again 1987.12 6. Final exams in high school and stepping into university 1989.05 Moscow Going back and forth during studies may be explained through the 4th house (Scorpio). I have Moon and Sun there in Navamsha where Moon would indicate living abroad and the Sun living at home. 7. Leaving the university after 1 year 1 month 1990.10.10 Moscow Mars is in the 8th house from Scorpio in Navamsha. It may indicate an abrupt finishing of education for a higher cause (Mars is Atmakarak) 8. Coming back to Budapest and becoming a monk 1990.10.30 9. Death of my mother in Moscow 1990. 12. Moon and Mars signify mother. Mars is the malefic, aspected by Saturn and Rahu may give early death to mother. Moon is aspected by both of them as well as by Sun and Mercury becoming malefic. But Moon is in the 11th and is strong, so by the death of my mother I gained a step-mother, who is in many ways better than she was. 10. Harinama diksa received in Bp. 1991.10. from my Guru Maharaj 11. Gayatri diksa received in Bp. 1993.01.20. from my Guru Maharaj 12. First travel to India 1993.03. Mayapur, Vrindavan 13. Second travel to India 1995.02 Vrindavan 14. Third travel to India 1996.10. Mayapur, Puri, Vrindavan Pilgrimage would be indicated by 9th and 12th. Lord of 9th is Mars, also aspecting it, so pilgrimage would come at an early age (if we count the periods of life referring to the houses from Lagna). Sani is there in 9th, debilitated and retrograde, so won't obstruct it so much. It similarly aspects Moon, the lord of 12th. Mars as well aspects the 9th house of the Navamsha chart (Capricorn) and owns the 12th of it (Aries). Sani alternately owns and aspects them in Navamsha, and is placed in the 6th (Dusthana), where loses his malefic effect. 15. Association with my would-be wife Bp., 1997.10.15 16. Fourth travel to India 1998.03. Mayapur, Vrindavan 17. Legal marriage Bp., 1998.06.06 18. Vivaha samskara Bp., 1998.10.19 19. Moving to our new house 1998.11.15 Marriage and house: Jupiter and Venus are situated in the 4th house (owned by Mars again). Mars owns 9th and 4th. I'm going back and forth between the temple and my home every day. Jupiter and Venus mean husband and wife together at home. But in the Navamsha Jupiter is in Leo (natal 1st) and Venus is in Virgo (natal 2nd). Would this mean that I lose her early, staying with my Guru (Jupiter) after that? Also Venus in Navamsha is in the 8th from natal 7th. Would this indicate loss of wife as well? This was the depth of analysis that I could do by Your mercy. I hope that I didn't speculate too much. Waiting for Your further instructions I remain Your servant, Gauranga das Hare Krishna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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