RE: [Agnathy] pix

[Guest guest]

Dear Vesco,

I am a very new member from Singapore, recently joined as a student. I fully

agreed with Sri.Gauranga Das.I am 47 years old, Born and brought up in

Singapore. Although I born in Singapore, I learn Indian and Hindu Culture

thru my parents, school lessons and other sources. Please remember three

words i.e.: Matha-Pitha,Guru and Dhaivam Or Deva(God). This three words, I

learned before enter the school premises.Guruthuam is very important for

anybody, means for any religion. You may be very young, Please patient and

learn. I am not offending you. I believe Jyothish a subject is 99% guruthuam

and spiritual and 1% is lesson.

 

Any institute, organization have their own rules and regulations, as a

member,employee or student have to follow strictly to the policy or rules &

regulations. This is commonsense.

Thank you,

Best regards,

Gopalan Somarajan.

 

 

 

Gauranga Das [gauranga]

Tuesday, 18 April 2000 2:33

varahamihira

Re: [Jagannath] Re: pix

 

 

JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

Dear Vesco,

 

Namaste.

 

I think that you have a long way to go in understanding

Vedic culture and tha guru-shishya relationship. I strongly

disagree with your judgement of Sanjayji and I think that

you have no right to criticise him in this way, at least if

you want to be his student. This disrespectful mentality of

yours is killing the recently planted sprout of guru-bhakti

in your heart and thus you are losing the possibility to

learn genuine Jyotish. Thete are thousands out there with a

similar mentality as yours, but the real secrets of Jyotish

will never open to their intelligence, because of their

disrespectful and unsubmissive mentality. Jyotish is a holy

science and is revealed by Krishna from the heart. So if He

is satisfied with your attutude towards your guru, He will

grant you knowledge. Otherwise you will just lick the

outside of the jar. Please take my words seriously if you

want to reap any fruits of your relationship with Sanjayji.

 

Yours, Gauranga das

 

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Tárgy: [Jagannath] Re: pix

 

 

>

> Dear Sanjay Rath,

>

> With all due respects where they are due.

>

> I realise this is a minor issue on the path of learning

Jyotish. But as I

> feel this minor assault on my privacy may result in

something bigger, let me

> attempt to defend it to the best of my abilities.

>

> I sincerely apologise for lacking the belief that you all

somehow have

> chosen to share, in the utopian promise of the new

communication

> technologies among other beliefs.

>

> At 00:15 17/04/00 +0530, you wrote:

> >SANJAY RATH wrote: >I am sorry, but then Vesco will have

to go if he has

> >problems about openly associating with SJVC.

>

> Since when not submitting a personal picture has anything

to do with openly

> associating with anything? Did anybody inform me at the

time of enrolling in

> the course about this 'minor' extra requirement? And who

knows what other

> 'minor' requirements will emerge in the process of the

course? Why wasn't I

> allowed to hide under convenient excuses for not

submitting the pix as

> apparently other members have been allowed for quite some

time?

>

> BTW if you could talk to my non-cyber circle of friends

you would instantly

> know that I associated as freely as my personality allows

me and that I was

> quite excited about starting this course. Not all of us

want to be prophets,

> gurus, public proponents of whatever. Some of us may not

have the

> capabilities, others may not have the strength anymore. I

have to add that I

> am interested in learning Jyotish and do try to

disassociate myself from any

> particular school or guru excentricities as soon as I

sense them, to the

> best of my abilities - that's my way.

>

> >SANJAY RATH wrote: >If he has so many problems about his

picture when the

> entire learning is going to be free, then I cannot help.

>

> 'Problems' is not the right term and would lead astray the

readers who do

> not know the history of the e-mail exchange on the topic

between Sanjai and

> me. I can only say here that I was afraid the pictures

could strengthen

> certain narcissistic tendencies which I was trying to work

through for quite

> some time. I never said I was never going to submit a

picture. Plus there is

> the issue that although I have lurked on the list for 3-4

months, I still

> did not know what I was getting into. Anybody with a bit

of self-respect and

> self-awareness will admit that there is no help on the

SJVC site for a

> complete complete newcomer to Jyotish to orient himself.

There is no help on

> any other Jyotish site that I know of, and I've put my

months of going over

> them. All of them are almost exclusively window displays

for selling

> something, free or not so free. All of them assume

knowledge of Hindu

> culture or at least gullibility from the knowledgeless.

>

> Why is the alleged 'free' status of the course used as the

not so subtle

> stick to force a person into things that the person may

not currently be

> comfortable with? Isn't this bordering on disrespect to

God's plan?

>

> Don't we all know that 'free' learning (or anything else)

is always more

> expensive than the paid one ... that's one of the reasons

for money to be so

> popular, especially if one gets into the symbolic (and

ritual) meaning(s)

> the means of exchange have held throughout history on our

little planet ...

>

> If I pay, can I continue on the course without submitting

my picture?

> (I guess after all this the price will be prohibitive even

for somebody way

> above my humble means of existence.)

>

> >SANJAY RATH wrote: >In any case this is one thing I never

understood. See

> >if you can speak to him.

>

> That's the bit I fail to understand. You are the guru. You

have my chart.

> You know what's causing these 'problems'. Why wasn't I

sent the mantra or

> whatever other yagya to rectify the situation first before

my disobedience

> was punished in front of the whole class ... The guru

wants to be my

> spiritual father but refuses to give me the minimal love

that even a bad

> father feels towards his off-spring, instead compensates

with more stick ...

> should i continue with the psychological profile of the

person behind the

> guru title ...

>

> In certain cultures the way I was treated in the situation

is called

> harassment. You pull fast, Sanjaiji, and maybe this is

what keeps you on top

> in these days of the still Wild Wild Web, but you have to

work on your

> marksmanship. Sorry, I do not carry guns, I am a

vegetarian

>

> It's not fair, Sanjayji, to blow in the open something

which was meant for

> your private use. You've lost my respect. You still have a

chance to regain

> it though ... if you decide to stay with what you are good

at, organising

> the teaching of Jyotish ...

>

> let Krshna give power to my message,

>

> Vesco

>

> -----

> I've noticed that periodically members on this and similar

lists like to

> indulge in power sparring like the present one which more

often than not

> results in strengthening the grip of the ego over one's

faculties instead of

> gradually loosening it. (I am not comfortable yet with the

Vedic terminology

> but I hope readers can translate it for themselves.) I do

apologise for

> involving any casual observers and wasting your time. But

I felt it was my

> duty to expose the method, however insignificant the

trigger incident was.

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