Guest guest Posted September 29, 2000 Report Share Posted September 29, 2000 Jaya Jaya Jagannath, Namasthe Sarajithji, As far as my understanding, there would be no opposite nature to Akasa tatwa and there would be no opposite to Vishnu.(or universal power). When all other 4 tatwa are well balance, Akasa tatwa can be expected. We know the opposite of pritivi tastva is Jala and opposite of Agni tatwa is Vayu. In fact these are no opposit. These are the tatva, or condition where combined with other tatwa and make it need full. When we have a source to make " something " " mild " , without " something " exist in this world, we will have no value to the source. To add a value to the source, we must use it. Otherwise the source will exist as source but useless. Same, Jala tatwa is useless where pritivi tatva is not exist. To remain as jala tatwa it need a combination. But Akasa tatwa is different. This is far from my understanding yet. It could be some thing energy like, place to activate other four tatva. When this Tatva is absence, other four tatwa too will be destroyed. The strength of sun and Moon to fructify Hamsa yoga is accepted, as this two source of light indicate Dharma, but when such a situation why a native could not predominate akasa tatva too ? I know answer is far away. Hare Krishna Karu AUM SRI GURUVE NAMAHDear Zoran and Karu!In order the Hamsha Yoga should fructify, not only the Sun and Moon should bestrong but also the predominanct nature of the chart be ethery. I don't knowhow to check whether the predominant nature of the chart be ethery but I thinkout of four other tatwas namely Agni, Prithvi, Vayu and Jala, some have moreaffinity towards the Akash Tatwa and if they are predominant, they could helpin fructifying the Hamsha yoga. You can also find out which are the tatwaswhich are opposite to the akash tatwa in characteristics and traits (such asAgni) and if those tatwas are stronger, the Hamsa yoga may not fructifyfully.May Gurudev clarify mePranaamSarajitZoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa wrote:> ------------ > Attachment: > MIME Type: multipart/alternative > ------------ Dear Karu,Very intelligent remark.See the lesson. Sanjay Ji says that Akash Tatwa is not present in thisJiva world, not as a part of material creation, but underlying the wholecreation in the form of transcendental consciousness. Thus in physicalaspect this tatwa is not present. Hamsa Mahapurush yoga gives saintlyqaulities, where a person aspires to Self Realization, when he/shetranscendsthe field of three gunas, and attians Transcendental Awareness ofAtma/Paramatma.There He/She cognies the value of AKASH Tatwa simbolised by Guru andHamsa Yoga. For this Yoga to fructifies, one has to Gain the PrimaryBlessingof ATMA (surya) and MANAS(Chandra), father and mother, and thus, whenHamsa Yoga is present, the sun and the moon must be strong. This is thetrueblessing of GURU, who is the BHAGAWAN of the Chart.The signs represent material creation obviously without AKASH tatwa,while Grahas represent people. Since we were born to perfect and attainGod realization, we may cognise AKASH tatwa, symbolised by Guru in thechart(hamsa Yoga). This is the blessing of God, since we are given thechanceto leave the cycle of rebirth. That is why the ketu moksha karak,attains both exaltaionand multrikon signs in Guru signs.Patanjali speaksof this Tatwa when attaining sidhis and kaivalya, and Lord KrishnateachesArjuna to Be without the three Gunas, to cognise this Tatwa, which isbeyondrelative and sensory world of experience.Best wishes,ZoranKaru wrote:> >Dear Jyotisha,> >ASSIGNMENTS> >1. Predominating tatwa in lagna of my horoscope:> >Lagna dhanu(Agni tatwa). Guru is lord(akash tatwa). However, this> >tatwa is ignored, as it is not part of the jiva world. Jaya Jaya> Jagannath,Namasthe Zoranji, With respect, I can't understand. How then> Pancha Maha Purusha Yoga comes ? Hamsa yoga predominate Akasha tatwa> and BPHS clearly mentioned about this. But I agreed, among 12 sign, no> any single rasi predominate Akasha tatwa in this earth.Agni,Jala,Vayu> and Patavi tatwa are represented by all 12 signs but the basic element> called AKASHA is spred over all 12 signs, as this is represent> Vishnu. Perhaps, may be my ignorance, please classify this. I may be> completly wrong, but this is what I understood. Please help me. Hare> KrishnaKaru Guru is placed in> >kanya(prithivi tatwa). It is in yuti with Ketu-not owner of any> pancha> >tatwa. So we have dristi of shani-vayu tatwa, and shukra jala tatwa.> >Both these planets aspect from jala tatwa(pisces). So there is> mixture> >of all tatwas.> >Actually, all tatwas are equaly strong, however I would give> >predominance> >to Jala tatwa, due to rashi(permanent) aspects of shukra(jala) from> >pisces(jala)> >> >as well as atmakarak shani placed in pisces(jala) It is interesting> to> >note> >that lagna rashi is agni tatwa, paka lagna rashi prithivi tatwa,> while> >aruda> >lagna rashi is jala tatwa.> >2. Rahu the cause of rebirth and mateiral enjoyer is naturally> exalted> >in taurus> >> >venusian rashi, the second house of wealth and sustainance of natural>> >zodiac, the house of venus that rules senses that are responsible for>> >our> >enjoyment in its objects. This is the real maya, since the senses do> not> >perceive the Samhita Value of Unity, that underlines the knower, the> >process> >of knowing and the object . So naturaly, rahu a rebirth and maya> enjoyer> >finds his longevity in the sign of sustainer of lagna, or rebirth.> >Ketu is not exalted as per longevity, being moksha karaka, Natural> 8th> >house> >(scorpio) is a transformation, as a death is not real end, but just a>> >transformation.> >So ketu mooltrikona is in pisces, which is its official duty to grant>> >moksha.From> >the viewpoint of mukti, there is no birth and death.> >Rahu is in debility in scorpio( as per longevity) since scorpio is> >natural 8th> >house> >of zodiac, thus excessive sense gratification, and cause of rebirth> >leads to> >death> >and rebirth, which is signified by 8th house of horoscope, a house of>> >transformation.> >3.Multrikon stands for inherent dharma role of a planet. Thus planets>> >placed in> >multrikon have official duty to establish their dharmic role. For> >example, if> >mars is> >placed in aries, he will have his martial duty to act and be dynamic,>> >while> >being in swaksthetra he> >will feel at home, energetic and calm, martial energy being naturally> at> >disposal.> >Best wishes,> >Zoran> >> >> >-------------------------- eGroups Sponsor>> >> >OM TAT SAT> >Archive: varahamihira> >Info: varahamihira/info.html> >> >>>> OM TAT SAT> Archive: varahamihira> Info: varahamihira/info.html>__________________Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1-------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~>eLertsIt's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free!>OM'>http://click./1/9068/9/_/2192/_/970213096/-->OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2000 Report Share Posted September 29, 2000 Jai Jai Sri Jagannath !!! Hare Rama Krishna !!! Dear Sarajit and Karu, The tatwas are not to be seen as opposites, but they are to be seen as the sustaining forces. No tatwa is opposite to the other. Prithvi tatwa, by being opposite to the jala tatwa, actually sustains it. Let's assume a pot or a vessel holding water. Does the vessel (prithvi tatwa) not hold the jala in it. It does. By doing so it is actually sustaining the water. Similarly, don't you need air (oxygen) for the fire to keep burning. So, vayu tatwa actually sustains the fire. What would happen if there was no vayu? Can the fire keep burning. Likewise, what will happen if jala tatwa were to be opposite agni tatwa instead of prithvi tatwa. The fire would cease to burn. Therefore, from the tatwa relationship the first astrological (jyotish) principle that we arrive at is the principle of opposites upon which is built the principle of Trikonas and then the Kendras, which are the sustaining forces of the Lagna (self). An imbalance in any of the tatwas will disturb the balance of tatwa relationship and will affect our physical self. This, in fact, is the root of Ayurveda - which treats this imbalance - the imbalance of pitta, vata, kafa etc. While all these tatwas are perceptible, the all important Akasha tatwa which sustains the entire brahmanda is imperceptible as Sri Maha Vishnu is. Just remove Jupiter (Akasha tatwa or ether) from the scene and you will find that there is no brahmanda. Akasha tatwa (Jupiter) is present in every being. If there was no Jupiter, no animal would have had its basic intelligence (which is actually super active in human beings as result of which we are superior to the animals). The spot or the seat of Akasha tatwa is in the Brahmapeetha - the seat of Jupiter/Brihaspati from where our intelligence works and we gain wisdom. Every animal has it. That's one of the reasons why elders keep telling us never to touch the head of any person/animal with our feet. We show due reverence to the Vishnu tatwa - our supreme intelligence.Thus, nothing can exist without the Akasha tatwa. As much as this tatwa is within us, so are we within the tatwa itself. Regards, Sarat. - Karu varahamihira Friday, September 29, 2000 6:41 PM Re: [Re: [sri Guru] LESSON 11] Jaya Jaya Jagannath, Namasthe Sarajithji, As far as my understanding, there would be no opposite nature to Akasa tatwa and there would be no opposite to Vishnu.(or universal power). When all other 4 tatwa are well balance, Akasa tatwa can be expected. We know the opposite of pritivi tastva is Jala and opposite of Agni tatwa is Vayu. In fact these are no opposit. These are the tatva, or condition where combined with other tatwa and make it need full. When we have a source to make "somethingmild", without "something" exist in this world, we will have no value to the source. To add a value to the source, we must use it. Otherwise the source will exist as source but useless. Same, Jala tatwa is useless where pritivi tatva is not exist. To remain as jala tatwa it need a combination. But Akasa tatwa is different. This is far from my understanding yet. It could be some thing energy like, place to activate other four tatva. When this Tatva is absence, other four tatwa too will be destroyed. The strength of sun and Moon to fructify Hamsa yoga is accepted, as this two source of light indicate Dharma, but when such a situation why a native could not predominate akasa tatva too ? I know answer is far away. Hare Krishna Karu AUM SRI GURUVE NAMAHDear Zoran and Karu!In order the Hamsha Yoga should fructify, not only the Sun and Moon should bestrong but also the predominanct nature of the chart be ethery. I don't knowhow to check whether the predominant nature of the chart be ethery but I thinkout of four other tatwas namely Agni, Prithvi, Vayu and Jala, some have moreaffinity towards the Akash Tatwa and if they are predominant, they could helpin fructifying the Hamsha yoga. You can also find out which are the tatwaswhich are opposite to the akash tatwa in characteristics and traits (such asAgni) and if those tatwas are stronger, the Hamsa yoga may not fructifyfully.May Gurudev clarify mePranaamSarajitZoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa wrote:> ------------ > Attachment: > MIME Type: multipart/alternative > ------------ Dear Karu,Very intelligent remark.See the lesson. Sanjay Ji says that Akash Tatwa is not present in thisJiva world, not as a part of material creation, but underlying the wholecreation in the form of transcendental consciousness. Thus in physicalaspect this tatwa is not present. Hamsa Mahapurush yoga gives saintlyqaulities, where a person aspires to Self Realization, when he/shetranscendsthe field of three gunas, and attians Transcendental Awareness ofAtma/Paramatma.There He/She cognies the value of AKASH Tatwa simbolised by Guru andHamsa Yoga. For this Yoga to fructifies, one has to Gain the PrimaryBlessingof ATMA (surya) and MANAS(Chandra), father and mother, and thus, whenHamsa Yoga is present, the sun and the moon must be strong. This is thetrueblessing of GURU, who is the BHAGAWAN of the Chart.The signs represent material creation obviously without AKASH tatwa,while Grahas represent people. Since we were born to perfect and attainGod realization, we may cognise AKASH tatwa, symbolised by Guru in thechart(hamsa Yoga). This is the blessing of God, since we are given thechanceto leave the cycle of rebirth. That is why the ketu moksha karak,attains both exaltaionand multrikon signs in Guru signs.Patanjali speaksof this Tatwa when attaining sidhis and kaivalya, and Lord KrishnateachesArjuna to Be without the three Gunas, to cognise this Tatwa, which isbeyondrelative and sensory world of experience.Best wishes,ZoranKaru wrote:> >Dear Jyotisha,> >ASSIGNMENTS> >1. Predominating tatwa in lagna of my horoscope:> >Lagna dhanu(Agni tatwa). Guru is lord(akash tatwa). However, this> >tatwa is ignored, as it is not part of the jiva world. Jaya Jaya> Jagannath,Namasthe Zoranji, With respect, I can't understand. How then> Pancha Maha Purusha Yoga comes ? Hamsa yoga predominate Akasha tatwa> and BPHS clearly mentioned about this. But I agreed, among 12 sign, no> any single rasi predominate Akasha tatwa in this earth.Agni,Jala,Vayu> and Patavi tatwa are represented by all 12 signs but the basic element> called AKASHA is spred over all 12 signs, as this is represent> Vishnu. Perhaps, may be my ignorance, please classify this. I may be> completly wrong, but this is what I understood. Please help me. Hare> KrishnaKaru Guru is placed in> >kanya(prithivi tatwa). It is in yuti with Ketu-not owner of any> pancha> >tatwa. So we have dristi of shani-vayu tatwa, and shukra jala tatwa.> >Both these planets aspect from jala tatwa(pisces). So there is> mixture> >of all tatwas.> >Actually, all tatwas are equaly strong, however I would give> >predominance> >to Jala tatwa, due to rashi(permanent) aspects of shukra(jala) from> >pisces(jala)> >> >as well as atmakarak shani placed in pisces(jala) It is interesting> to> >note> >that lagna rashi is agni tatwa, paka lagna rashi prithivi tatwa,> while> >aruda> >lagna rashi is jala tatwa.> >2. Rahu the cause of rebirth and mateiral enjoyer is naturally> exalted> >in taurus> >> >venusian rashi, the second house of wealth and sustainance of natural>> >zodiac, the house of venus that rules senses that are responsible for>> >our> >enjoyment in its objects. This is the real maya, since the senses do> not> >perceive the Samhita Value of Unity, that underlines the knower, the> >process> >of knowing and the object . So naturaly, rahu a rebirth and maya> enjoyer> >finds his longevity in the sign of sustainer of lagna, or rebirth.> >Ketu is not exalted as per longevity, being moksha karaka, Natural> 8th> >house> >(scorpio) is a transformation, as a death is not real end, but just a>> >transformation.> >So ketu mooltrikona is in pisces, which is its official duty to grant>> >moksha.From> >the viewpoint of mukti, there is no birth and death.> >Rahu is in debility in scorpio( as per longevity) since scorpio is> >natural 8th> >house> >of zodiac, thus excessive sense gratification, and cause of rebirth> >leads to> >death> >and rebirth, which is signified by 8th house of horoscope, a house of>> >transformation.> >3.Multrikon stands for inherent dharma role of a planet. Thus planets>> >placed in> >multrikon have official duty to establish their dharmic role. For> >example, if> >mars is> >placed in aries, he will have his martial duty to act and be dynamic,>> >while> >being in swaksthetra he> >will feel at home, energetic and calm, martial energy being naturally> at> >disposal.> >Best wishes,> >Zoran> >> >> >-------------------------- eGroups Sponsor>> >> >OM TAT SAT> >Archive: varahamihira> >Info: varahamihira/info.html> >> >>>> OM TAT SAT> Archive: varahamihira> Info: varahamihira/info.html>__________________Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1-------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~>eLertsIt's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free!>OM'>http://click./1/9068/9/_/2192/_/970213096/-->OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.htmlOM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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