FW: Neecha Bhanga: A few questions

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Namaste Brendan,

thanks for your insight here....very helpful. I wanted to outline what I learned from your feedbackand ask a few questions to confirm my understanding:

 

1. Re: Venus combustion and the new info I have read from Sanjay. Would this apply to the chart?

Here's the location: varahamihira/combustion%2Epdf

according to Sanjay " combustion of Mercury or Venus cannot happen if they are in front of the Sun as their rays can reach earth without obstruction" pls review and see if you concur that Venus then is not combust.

 

2. Bhadakasthana - did not notice this as a house of obstruction:

For movable Lagna: Ar,Cn,Li,Cp the 11th house is Badhak

For fixed Lagna Ta,Le,Sc,Aq the 9th house is Badhak ( in the example I have given you) For dual Lagna: Ge,Vi,Sg,Pi the 7th house is Badhak ( as in the Navamsa chart given in the example)

 

3. Parivarthana Yoga - Mutual exchange of Chandra and Sukra in Rasi ( yes caught that) - Yet is this not a Maha Yoga ? an exchange of the 7th and 9th ? if so does this diminish Sukra's afflicted condition in both rasi and Navamsa? Interested to hear your comments on the following ( I.e. impact to the chart) a. Chandra is Vargottama ( as is Ravi) and in Moola sign

c. In Navamsa does Kemadruma Yoga apply e.g. no Graha's on either side of Chandra? d. Sukra is Kevalya Maha Yogada - with Yogas formed will Sukra's influence ( because of being KMY) be for good or does Sukra have power for mischief? Why do I ask?For Ashtottari Dasa (below) the next sub-period is Mer-Ven

Venus 1952-07-17 Satu 1955-02-16 Jupi 1957-01-26 Rahu 1960-10-07Sun 1963-02-06 Moon 1963-06-08 Mars 1964-04-07 Merc 1964-09-16 Satu 1965-08-27Jupi 1966-03-18 Rahu 1967-04-08 Venus 1967-12-07Moon 1969-02-05 Mars 1971-03-08 Merc 1972-04-17 Satu 1974-08-28 Jupi 1976-01-17Rahu 1978-09-07 Venus 1980-05-07 Sun 1983-04-08Mars 1984-02-06 Merc 1984-09-10 Satu 1985-12-13 Jupi 1986-09-10 Rahu 1988-02-06Venu 1988-12-27 Sun 1990-07-18 Moon 1990-12-27Merc 1992-02-06 Satu 1994-10-10 Jupi 1996-05-07 Rahu 1999-05-05 Venu 2001-03-25Sun 2004-07-14 Moon 2005-06-24 Mars 2007-11-03

 

CHART AND BIRTH DATA BELOW> +----------------------+> | | | | |> | Mer | | Moo | |> | | | | |> | Ket | | Sat | |> | | | | |> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|> | | | |> | | | |> | Mar | | Sun |> | | | |> | | | |> |-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------|> | | | |> | | | Glk |> | | | |> | | | BL |> | | | |> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|> | | Jup | | |> | | | | HL Ven |> | | Mnd | | |> | | | | Asc Rah |> | | GL | | |> +----------------------+> > > +----------------------+> | | | | |> | | | Moo | |> | | Jup | | |> | | | HL | |> | | | | |> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|> | | | |> | | | Sun Ven |> | | | |> | | | Mer Ket |> | | | |> |-------------| R A S I |-------------|> | | | |> | | | Glk |> | Rah | | |> | | | Mnd |> | | | |> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|> | | | | |> | | | GL | |> | BL | Asc | | Sat |> | | | Mar | |> | | | | |> +----------------------+

Date of Birth: July 17, 1952Time of Birth: 3:22:50 pmTime Zone of Birth: 6:00 West of GMTLongitude of Birth: 87 W 40Latitude of Birth: 41 N 54Lunar month (maasa): Ashadha Lunar day (tithi): Krishna DwadasiTithi balance: 0.7867Nakshatra balance: 0.5082Sun-Moon Yoga: VriddhiSun-Moon Karana: KaulavaVara (weekday): ThursdaySunrise = 4:31 am (Apparent rise - upper limb)

Lagna 8 Sc 05 Anuradha 2 Sun 1 Cn 59 Punarvasu 4 GKMoon 16 Ta 33 Rohini 2 BKMars 16 Li 04 Swathi 3 PiKMercury 28 Cn 32 Aasresha 4 AKJupiter 23 Ar 22 Bharani 4 AmKVenus 8 Cn 20 Pushyami 2 PKSaturn 16 Vi 07 Hastha 2 MKRahu 29 Cp 43 Dhanishtha 2 DKKetu 29 Cn 43 Aasresha 4 - BhavaLg 14 Sg 28 Poo.Shaa. 1 - HoraLg 27 Ta 23 Mrigasira 2 - GhatiLg 6 Li 08 Chitra 4 - Dhooma 15 Sc 19 Anuradha 4 - Vyati 14 Le 40 Poo.Pha. 1 - Pari 14 Aq 40 Satabhisham 3 - I.Chapa 15 Ta 19 Rohini 2 - Upaketu 1 Ge 59 Mrigasira 3 - Kaala 27 Vi 46 Chitra 2 - Mrityu 11 Sc 08 Anuradha 3 - ArthaPr 4 Sg 30 Moola 2 - YamaGha 0 Cn 44 Punarvasu 4 - Mandi 25 Le 01 Poo.Pha. 4 - Gulika 14 Le 08 Poo.Pha. 1 -

 

Bpfeeley [bpfeeley]Tuesday, November 21, 2000 10:12 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: [sri Guru] Neecha Bhanga

In a message dated 11/20/2000 8:01:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, fschmidt writes:Hare KrishnaNamaste Frank,First I will answer this as a purely technical question about neechabhanga. The books generally list 4 to 5 rules for neechabhanga but it is a bit more complicated that those few rules and an intelligent assessment is always important. - An exalted planet occupies the same sign as the neecha planet.- The ruler of the house holding the neecha planet is exalted.- The ruler of the house holding the neecha planet is in a kendra from the lagna or Moon. - The planet which would be exalted in the sign holding the neecha planet is in a kendra from the Lagna or Moon.- If the planet is debilitated and he is fully aspected by his dispositor, the debilitation is cancelled and good results are indicated.If you apply these rules, then neechabhanga exists.The real task here is to interpret the chart and not just apply the rules of neechabhanga. Venus is the lord of 7th and 12th in rasi and is combust, and is place in a bhadakasthana with 3 other planets (Sun, Mercury = 8th lord, and Ketu). The four planets in the 9th house give rise to a Sanyasi yoga. There is parivarthana between Venus and Moon. Moon is is a bhadaka planet placed in 7th, so we see that these indications in rasi bring obstruction to marital life.Venus, as 7th lord in rasi, is neecha in navamsa and it is conjoined with 6th lord Rahu and aspected by 8th lord Mars. So again we see that some undesirable indications wrt to marriage. We see that Venus is strongly afflicted in both rasi and navamsa. The navamsa LL is Mercury (also AK planet) is placed in 7th with Ketu and aspected by Jupiter. Note Mercury is also lord of AL and UL in D-9. Ketu and Jupiter are in parivarthana and Jupiter is aspected by Sun -12th lord, Moon - 11th lord and Saturn - 5th and 6th lord. This 7th in Navamsa is again a bhadakasthana, so Jupiter is a bhadaka lord in Navamsa. So we see a good deal of obstruction to marriage in the chart.From these indications, I would expect that this person is not married and that there may be a good deal of conflict between relationships and spiritual life. Ashtottari dasa applies and Mercury dasa (AK) is operating as LL and lord of AL and UL. It is a dasa that should bring a good deal of detachment in relationships along with some suffering and self realization. It is a good dasa for aquiring knowledge of spiritual/occult subjects.Reagards,Brendan> Namaste Brendan ( et all)> Can you help on understanding Neecha Bhanga.> The Navamsa chart below has Venus debilited in Virgo and> Mercury debilited in Pisces. Both Graha dristi each other and> Guru aspects Mercury from Sc.> Questions:> 1. Does this Graha dristi of Mercury and Venus create Neecha Bhanga Raja> Yoga?> 2. By adding graha dristi of Guru does this alone ( aspecting Mercury)> enough to> create NBRY? without the aspect of Venus?> Your help here and any additional insight to NBRY is appreciated.... I will> also> scan the archives for add'l data.> > Pranams,> -- These calculations were made using "Jagannatha Hora Lite". It is a free software from Sri Jagannath Vedic Centre. You can download it from http://www.geocities.com/~astrowhiz or http://www.sjvc.net.--

 

Date of Birth: November 23, 2000Time of Birth: 11:12:00 amTime Zone of Birth: 6:00 West of GMTLongitude of Birth: 97 W 45Latitude of Birth: 30 N 16Lunar month (maasa): Karthika Lunar day (tithi): Krishna DwadasiTithi balance: 0.7867Nakshatra balance: 0.5082Sun-Moon Yoga: VriddhiSun-Moon Karana: KaulavaVara (weekday): Thursday

 

Sunrise = 7:03 am (Apparent rise - upper limb)Ayanamsa = 23-51-54Dasa year length chosen = 365.2425 days

 

Planet Position Pada CharaK

 

Ascdt 8 Sc 05 Anuradha 2 - Sun 1 Cn 59 Punarvasu 4 GKMoon 16 Ta 33 Rohini 2 BKMars 16 Li 04 Swathi 3 PiKMercury 28 Cn 32 Aasresha 4 AKJupiter 23 Ar 22 Bharani 4 AmKVenus 8 Cn 20 Pushyami 2 PKSaturn 16 Vi 07 Hastha 2 MKRahu 29 Cp 43 Dhanishtha 2 DKKetu 29 Cn 43 Aasresha 4 - BhavaLg 14 Sg 28 Poo.Shaa. 1 - HoraLg 27 Ta 23 Mrigasira 2 - GhatiLg 6 Li 08 Chitra 4 - Dhooma 15 Sc 19 Anuradha 4 - Vyati 14 Le 40 Poo.Pha. 1 - Pari 14 Aq 40 Satabhisham 3 - I.Chapa 15 Ta 19 Rohini 2 - Upaketu 1 Ge 59 Mrigasira 3 - Kaala 27 Vi 46 Chitra 2 - Mrityu 11 Sc 08 Anuradha 3 - ArthaPr 4 Sg 30 Moola 2 - YamaGha 0 Cn 44 Punarvasu 4 - Mandi 25 Le 01 Poo.Pha. 4 - Gulika 14 Le 08 Poo.Pha. 1 -

 

+----------------------+| | | | || | | Moo | || | Jup | | || | | HL | || | | | ||-------------|---------------------------|-------------|| | | || | | Sun Ven || | | || | | Mer Ket || | | ||-------------| R A S I |-------------|| | | || | | Glk || Rah | | || | | Mnd || | | ||-------------|---------------------------|-------------|| | | | || | | GL | || BL | Asc | | Sat || | | Mar | || | | | |+----------------------+

 

+----------------------+| | | | || Mer | | Moo | || | | | || Ket | | Sat | || | | | ||-------------|---------------------------|-------------|| | | || | | || Mar | | Sun || | | || | | ||-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------|| | | || | | Glk || | | || | | BL || | | ||-------------|---------------------------|-------------|| | Jup | | || | | | HL Ven || | Mnd | | || | | | Asc Rah || | GL | | |+----------------------+

 

 

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In a message dated 11/23/2000 12:31:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,

fschmidt writes:

 

Hare Rama Krishna

Namaste Frank,

 

Yes, Sanjay has given us very clear rules for combustion in his article and

we should follow those rules. See other comments below.

 

> Namaste Brendan,

> thanks for your insight here....very helpful. I wanted to outline what I

> learned from your feedback

> and ask a few questions to confirm my understanding:

>

> 1. Re: Venus combustion and the new info I have read from Sanjay. Would

this

> apply to the chart?

> Here's the location:

> varahamihira/combustion%2Epdf

> according to Sanjay " combustion of Mercury or Venus cannot happen if they

> are in front of the Sun as their rays can reach earth without obstruction "

> pls review and see if you concur that Venus then is not combust.

>

> 2. Bhadakasthana - did not notice this as a house of obstruction:

> For movable Lagna: Ar,Cn,Li,Cp the 11th house is Badhak

> For fixed Lagna Ta,Le,Sc,Aq the 9th house is Badhak ( in the example I

have

> given you)

> For dual Lagna: Ge,Vi,Sg,Pi the 7th house is Badhak ( as in the Navamsa

> chart given in the example)

 

Correct. Lord of the house is badhakesh and can cause obstruction. Planets in

the badhakasthana also become obstructed.

 

> 3. Parivarthana Yoga - Mutual exchange of Chandra and Sukra in Rasi ( yes

> caught that) -

> Yet is this not a Maha Yoga ? an exchange of the 7th and 9th ? if so

> does this diminish

 

Parivarthna between 7th and 9th is a powerful Rajyoga, but in the case of

Scorpio lagna some obstruction will also manifest.

 

> Sukra's afflicted condition in both rasi and Navamsa?

> Interested to hear your comments on the following ( I.e. impact to the

> chart)

> a. Chandra is Vargottama ( as is Ravi) and in Moola sign

 

Very good!

 

> c. In Navamsa does Kemadruma Yoga apply e.g. no Graha's on either side

> of Chandra?

 

Neechabhanga and Kemadruma are generally applied to the rasi, but it is never

good for the Moon to be isolated. In D-9, Moon is with Saturn and aspected by

Jupiter, graha dristhi, and Sun, rasi drishti, so not true Kemadruma.

 

> d. Sukra is Kevalya Maha Yogada - with Yogas formed will Sukra's

> influence ( because of being KMY)

> be for good or does Sukra have power for mischief?

> Why do I ask?For Ashtottari Dasa (below) the next sub-period is

> Mer-Ven

 

Sukra is lord of 7th and 12th in rasi and is a functional malefic for Scorpio

lagna and also a badaka. As KMY it does have some power. It is lord of GL and

HL and placed in 10th from GL, so it can influence career somewhat

benefically. In D-10 it is placed in own sign in 9th, but in 6/8 to Mercury.

 

In Navamsa, it is neecha, conjoined with Rahu, and lord of 2 and 9. As lord

of 2nd it becomes a maraka and as lord of 9th it becomes strong to

influence/support dharma in your life. Note that the 1/7 axis in the rasi and

navamsa become powerfully activated in Mercury/Venus in Astottari dasa, while

the big planets, Saturn and Juptier transit the 7th in D-1. This all points

towards an event in marriage for this native in Mercury/Venus.

 

Cp Narayana dasa is operating in the navamsa, 5th house and has A9 in it

(learning, knowledge, dharma), though it is 8th from AL and UL, which can put

some strain on marriage. From 7/97 - 7/05. Cp/Cp - 3/00, Cp/Sg - 11/00, Cp/Sc

- 7/00, etc.

 

Also, Sade Sati is operating and 7th is strong in AV with 33 bindus. 8th

house has 0 bindus for the Moon, 2 for Saturn, and 21 total. That will be the

most difficult part of Mercury/Venus and Sade Sati. The native should do

propitiations for that transit.

 

Hope this helps,

Regards,

Brendan