[Jagannath] Pusya

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> Dear Syamasundara prabhu,

>

> Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

>

> >> The Moon has the ignomy of stealing the wife of Brihaspati (the

> >> lord

> >> of Pusya Nakshatra). Thus, it is advisable to keep marriages out of

> >> Pusya Star, else it is likely that a romantic " Moon " can run away with

> >> the bride!!

>

> At the chosen date, the Moon is in Amavasya, so there will be no " romantic

> Moon " to run away with the bride??

 

" Amavasya " is not a place or nakshatra like Pusya, it is a state of being.

It indicates that the Moon is fewer than 12 degrees from the Sun. Pusya

nakshatra is in Kataka which is ruled by the Moon, so the Moon is involved.

 

I think that in general you have missed out on the very nice explanation

given by Sriman Sanjay Rath.

 

 

 

>

> >1) In the case that you mention it is Brhaspati who is sinned against,

> >his marriage bed being despoiled by another.

> >

> >2) In the present case mentioned by me, it is Brhaspati himself who is

> >the culprit.

> >

> >However in both cases whether sinner or sinned against Brhaspati the

> >ruler of Pusya seems to have ill luck regarding marriage.

>

> However it may be, at the particular muhurta Guru (Brhaspati), is in very

> nice placement in Rohini.

 

That is not the point. You specifically asked why in general Pusya was

considered inauspicious for marriage and he and I supplied reasons.

 

 

 

 

 

> Anyway, I would like to know to what extent such

> ancient stories could affect us in today's life.

 

This is not a very approapriate mental attitude.

 

It sounds like you think that Brhaspati is ancient and no longer around and

therefore this is just a story for children? Considering that one year of

the devas is equal to 360 years for us. And considering that Braspati's

disciple Lord Indra lives for one manvantara (one 1/14 of Lord Brahma's day

about 200 million years) Brahaspati is still very much alive and well today.

Aside from that the Puranas explain that in each manvantara things pretty

much repeat themselves all over again, so that the next Brahaspati will

probably have the same problem as the last one.

 

In today's life no one runs off with another's spouse, is that what you are

suggesting? Only in " ancient stories " did such things happen. I don't think

so.

 

 

> How much importance do we

> have to give to this, since I'm sure there was a reason behind Brhaspati's

> sinful act, and certainly he must have atoned for it, what's the

> continuation of the story? Is there any reference in jyotish sastra's

> about the ill effects for marriage under Pusya?

 

A lot of importance. The devata for Pusya is Brhaspati therefore it takes on

his nature. If you want to understand Pusya, understand Brhaspati. He is a

living person, still around today. So he had marital problems thus his

nakshatra is good for everything except that one item.

 

 

>

> It would be nice to have these stories related to the other naksatras

> also. Maybe someone could post these?

>

> Your servant,

> Dhira Krsna dasa

 

I don't think learned persons like Pandita Rath will want to go to the

trouble of doing that only to have them dismissed as " ancient stories " with

no bearing on modern life.

 

The proper mood in Vedic studies is submissive reception. If you have doubts

they are also to be expressed in the appropriate way. The whole of Vedic

literature is about answering questions and removing the demons of doubt

from the mind of the humbly inquiring person. But the key principle is

humility not arrogance. Perhaps I am totally mistaken but to my perception

when I read your text " humility " was not what came formost to my mind in

describing the way you inquired about resolvng your doubts.

 

It has lately become the fashion in ISKCON to be, shall we say, less than

respectful when making inquiry especially junior to seniors. I have seen

Srila Prabhupada criticized as well as the the statements of the Srimad

Bhagavatam, not by karmis, but by so-called devotees. Not to imply that you

are among those who criticize SP or the sastras. I am not saying that. Still

the mood of aparadha is an infectious and deadly disease. Spiritual life is

like the razor's edge one must be very cautious and conservative lest one

cuts their own throat.

 

While I can not police the rest of ISKCON I can only say that it will not be

tolerated here.

 

The following is from the new application form of the FVC School of Jyotish:

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Further considerations for candidates of the FVC School of Jyotish:

In keeping with Vedic tradition we carefully screen the candidates for this

program. According to Manu Samhita 2.109-118, here are the general

guidelines for teaching someone the Vedic sciences:

 

109. According to the sacred law the following ten persons, viz. the

teacher's son, one who desires to do service, one who imparts knowledge, one

who is intent on fulfilling the law, one who is pure, a person connected by

marriage or friendship, one who possesses mental ability, one who is a

patron, one who is honest, and a relative, may be instructed in the Veda.

 

110. Unless one is asked, one must not explain anything to anybody, nor must

one answer a person who asks improperly; let a wise man, though he knows the

answer, behave among men as if he were an idiot.

 

111. Of the two persons, him who illegally explains anything, and him who

illegally asks a question, one or both will die or incur the other's enmity.

 

112. Where merit and wealth are not obtained by teaching nor at least due

obedience, in such soil sacred knowledge must not be sown, just as good seed

must not be thrown on barren land.

 

113. Even in times of dire distress a teacher of the Veda should rather die

with his knowledge than sow it in barren soil.

 

114. Sacred Learning approached a Brahmana and said to him: 'I am thy

treasure, preserve me, deliver me not to a scorner; so preserved I shall

become supremely strong.'

 

115. 'But deliver me, as to the keeper of thy treasure, to a Brahmana whom

thou shalt know to be pure, of subdued senses, chaste and attentive.'

 

116. But he who acquires without permission the Veda from one who recites

it, incurs the guilt of stealing the Veda, and shall sink into hell.

 

117. A student shall first reverentially salute that teacher from whom he

receives knowledge, referring to worldly affairs, to the Veda, or to the

Brahman.

 

118. A Brahmana who completely governs himself, though he know the Savitri

only, is better than he who knows the three Vedas, but does not control

himself, eats all sorts of food, and sells all sorts of goods.

 

 

In regards to teaching Jyotish Satyacarya has stated:

" Addressing his pupil, Satyacharya said, 'Oh my dear disciple! I am going to

reveal the principles of Astrology to you. These principles are not known to

anybody and are a great secret. But by means of these secrets you can

predict future events accurately.

 

" The science of astrology is a great secret and it should be guarded with

great care. It should never be revealed to people who have no faith in God,

who are skeptics by nature and to those who do not show reverence to their

Guru.

 

" This sacred science of Astrology should never be taught to bad people. Nor

should it be revealed to too many people or very frequently. It should be

taught only to a few chosen disciples who really deserve and have the

necessary qualifications. Now I shall expound the principle of astrology

according to the school of Dhruva.' " Satyajatakam 1.1-3

 

We are not so much interested in the quantity of students that we get but

rather in the quality of the student and their suitability for being a Vedic

astrologer according to the standards set by the ancients.

 

In screening applicants we not only consider their academic history but we

will scrutinize their horoscope's to see if they have the potential to be

good astrologers. We also check to see if the student is compatible with the

teacher(s). The student may hold promise as an astrologer but may not get on

well with our teachers; such candidates should look elsewhere.

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Anyway, I think you get my point. Doubts and questions are welcome as long

as they are presented submissively and with the desire to offer some service

as is detailed in the Bhagavad Gita. Otherwise we will behave like an idiot:

 

110. Unless one is asked, one must not explain anything to anybody, nor must

one answer a person who asks improperly; let a wise man, though he knows the

answer, behave among men as if he were an idiot.