D-7 Case Study - Carmen's Chart - error corrected

April 12, 2005

Dear Bipin,

Thanks for your invitation. i hope to see more Ssouth of equator charts. It is a long time since i have seen one on the other lists.

If you send messages from your mail box, you will be able send attachments. One should be receiving them in their mail box, to access them. So data in the text + attachment of the chart is preferred.

If you say clock-wise/anti clock-wise, they mean different things in South Indian/ North Indian (diamond) charts! Regular / reverse could be better.

i do not mean any offend in my first mail :-))

5th house is the house of children. It also shows one's succesors/followers/ students. In Swee's chart, it could show all of us :-)

Jupiter is the natural karaka (significator) for children. Natural 5th house is Leo (Natural Zodiac has Aries as the first house).

Sun represents 'Soul', it is the spark, which initiates. For a living entity it is Father. For a non-living entity it is the idea/ thought.

Moon is the sustainer/ Mother.

Physical ability to procreate should not be impaired, to have children. At another level, a soul should be attracted to take birth in the womb/ to the parents.

These are the two aspects. Looking from Sun, one should delineate these points.

Now the technical part, placement of A3 & A9 from the Sun, should not be bad - means should not be 2-12 or 6-8. (Concept of Arudhas is complicated and one should patiently learn it from Gurus) This gives the physial part of it. If this is the cause of not having children, then one needs to see a doctor.

AS3 & AS9, on simmilar lines as above, tell about the 'karmic' part of it - a soul is not inclined. This is where prayers to god could help (remedies). (AS3 is the arudha of 3rd house from the Sun)

i request, Swee and other learned members to correct/ guide us further

..

regards

Suryaviswanadham

Bipin Prag <bipin.prag wrote:

OOPS - error correctedOutcome of births... D7 Lagna is odd rasi, therefore count from 5th In anti-clockwise direction.bipinprag [bipin.prag] Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:08 AM Subject: [Jaya Jagannatha] D-7 Case Study - Carmen's ChartJaya JagannathaHello everyoneWelcome to . I would just like to thank all of you who have registered thus far and showed your support sharing our vision of in learning and sharing the wonderful science of Jyotish.I am a beginner and have been looking at some charts to further consolidate my understanding of Saptamsa. I have a very interesting chart of Carmen who over the years have had many different expereinces in child birth.Carmen's Birth Details: 3

Nov 1950, 7:15am, EET (GMT +2hrs), Cape Town, 18E22, 33S55 (She has also been given a birth time of 7:21am) Carmen had the following fertility issues:Child 1 - 1981 - MiscarriageChild 2 - 1982 - Son Born - HealthyChild 3 - 1984 - Daughter Born - HealthyChild 4 - 1985 - Blighted Ovum - terminated - could have been twinsChild 5 - ?? - Ectopic pregnancy - terminatedChild 6 - 1994 - terminated by itself at early stageSo Looking at the chart, I found the following>>Rahu in 5th in the sign of Jupiter - this is a curse of a brahman, judge or astrologer.>>Mars aspects 5th house - casts a malefic nature to 5th>>Using Deha method... Sun is 6th from A3 in the 7th (if the sun is in 2nd, 6th, 8th or 12th from any padas - damage to fertility - from MJUS)Looking at the SaptamsaLagna Lord Sun is in 6th conjoined with Venus & Mars - not too goodLord of 5th in 8th conjoining Ketu - not

goodOutcome of births... D7 Lagna is odd rasi, therefore count from 5th on clockwise direction.Child 1 - Lord of 5th in 8th even rasi = possibly male child - but conjoining Ketu - therefore pregnancey terminatedChild 2 - Lord of 7th in 9th in odd sign = Male child - successful birthChild 3 - Lord of 9th in 6th in even sign = Female child - but conjoining Sun & Venus - possibly difficult birth - not sure but a Healthy daughter survivedChild 4 - Lord of 11th in 7th in odd sign = possibly female, but Me in 7th also being lord of 2nd house both being maraka - child couldnt have survived - ?? need further clarification. With Mercury ruler of 4th child, could this indicate twins??Child 5 - Lord of 1st in 6th in odd sign = female, but conjoined Venus and Mars same as for Child 3, but this one didnt survive due to etopic pregnancey - How do we see this if similar conjunctions existed as for Child 3Child 6 -

Rahu axis reached, so confirmation no more childrenCould the learnered members please correct me so that I can further consolidate my understandingRegardsBipin<>

April 12, 2005

Dear Bipin,

I think you mean, in regular direction. This is anticlockwise in North

Indian diamond charts and Clockwise in South Indian type charts.

Chandrashekhar.

Bipin Prag wrote:

OOPS - error corrected

Outcome of births... D7 Lagna is odd rasi, therefore count from 5th In anti-clockwise direction.

bipinprag [bipin.prag] Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:08 AM

[Jaya Jagannatha] D-7 Case Study - Carmen's Chart

Jaya Jagannatha

Hello everyone

Welcome to . I would just like to thank all of you who have registered thus far and showed your support sharing our vision of in learning and sharing the wonderful science of Jyotish.

I am a beginner and have been looking at some charts to further consolidate my understanding of Saptamsa. I have a very interesting chart of Carmen who over the years have had many different expereinces in child birth.

Carmen's Birth Details: 3 Nov 1950, 7:15am, EET (GMT +2hrs), Cape Town, 18E22, 33S55 (She has also been given a birth time of 7:21am) Carmen had the following fertility issues:

Child 1 - 1981 - Miscarriage

Child 2 - 1982 - Son Born - Healthy

Child 3 - 1984 - Daughter Born - Healthy

Child 4 - 1985 - Blighted Ovum - terminated - could have been twins

Child 5 - ?? - Ectopic pregnancy - terminated

Child 6 - 1994 - terminated by itself at early stage

So Looking at the chart, I found the following

Rahu in 5th in the sign of Jupiter - this is a curse of a brahman,

judge or astrologer.

Mars aspects 5th house - casts a malefic nature to 5th

Using Deha method... Sun is 6th from A3 in the 7th (if the sun is

in 2nd, 6th, 8th or 12th from any padas - damage to fertility - from MJUS)

Looking at the Saptamsa

Lagna Lord Sun is in 6th conjoined with Venus & Mars - not too good

Lord of 5th in 8th conjoining Ketu - not good

Outcome of births... D7 Lagna is odd rasi, therefore count from 5th on clockwise direction.

Child 1 - Lord of 5th in 8th even rasi = possibly male child - but conjoining Ketu - therefore pregnancey terminated

Child 2 - Lord of 7th in 9th in odd sign = Male child - successful birth

Child 3 - Lord of 9th in 6th in even sign = Female child - but conjoining Sun & Venus - possibly difficult birth - not sure but a Healthy daughter survived

Child 4 - Lord of 11th in 7th in odd sign = possibly female, but Me in 7th also being lord of 2nd house both being maraka - child couldnt have survived - ?? need further clarification. With Mercury ruler of 4th child, could this indicate twins??

Child 5 - Lord of 1st in 6th in odd sign = female, but conjoined Venus and Mars same as for Child 3, but this one didnt survive due to etopic pregnancey - How do we see this if similar conjunctions existed as for Child 3

Child 6 - Rahu axis reached, so confirmation no more children

Could the learnered members please correct me so that I can further consolidate my understanding

Regards

Bipin

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