RE: Article - UFOs and the Vedic Literatures of Ancient India

[Guest guest]

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear

Bipin,

Namaste

 

Did you

bother to read through your copy of the Stimad Bhagvatam? The bean of light is

not straight up, but rather each universe with each cosmic egg is connect in a twisted

like “fibre”/hazy/smokey.

 

All Devas,

Yakshas, Kinnaras, Pisachas are on a different planes. In each there are also

hellish conditions and heavenly conditions. There are 14 of this type of

universes and earth is one of them. Because they are on the loka loka mountain,

these beings so called are not like us humans. Hence ufo’s and their

inhabitants maybe insect like with such monstrous looks etc as you may see in

sci-fi movies. These are all described. These beings have the ability to

teleport themselves wherever and whenever.

Their aerial

chariots are the ufo’s. Indra’s vajra is the Laser gun.

Our pitriloka

and bhuta loka are the hellish planes that yama occupies with them are all part

and parcel of this universe and of others.

The theory

of relativity is but a theory. If you ask a scientist, they also have a

mathematical calculation to God. Is there?

 

You’ve

missed out on the Pleiades – the Great Bear/Saptarisi which you can now see in

the Southern sky……….so look out your window into the night sky. This is the

beginning of the calculation of time with Dhruva (celestial pole) with that “fibrous

rope” we’ve just talked about, notching its cog into the East-West direction we

call sunrise and sunset.

 

Love,

Swee

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Bipin Prag

Saturday, December 17, 2005

5:04 PM

 

[Jaya Jagannatha] Article

- UFOs and the Vedic Literatures of Ancient India

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear List Members, Namaste

 

This Forum not only discusses Jyotish, but

embraces all other Vedic Sciences as well, so I thought I would list some

astrology related articles to stimulate some discussion. I found this

article very interesting, especially being intrigued by the supposed age of the

Surya Siddhanta. I will post more later

 

Regards

 

Bipin

Ps: Does anyone have an electronic version

of the Surya Siddhanta in English – ive ordered a commentary on this but cant

wait for snail mail

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

UFOs and the Vedic Literatures of Ancient

India (Sadaputa das)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

 

There is an intriguing relationship

between modern UFO reports and the

descriptions of the residents of

other planets found in the Vedic

literatures of ancient India.

It turns out that there are many

similarities between the modern and

Vedic accounts. According to the Vedic

literatures there are many inhabited planets

throughout the universe and

in many cases the residents of these

planets possess various kinds of

psychic powers and various degrees of

mechanical technology. It is

interesting to note that we also find

these same kinds of descriptions in

the modern UFO literature. I will

begin by describing some mystical means

of travel described in the Vedas and

comparing these to modern UFO

reports.

 

In the Mahabharata it is described

that a great warrior and mystic named

Arjuna was travelling on a road in

outer space called the Devayana (the

roadway of the demigods). He was

riding on a chariot pulled by horses, but

as we shall soon discover, these are

not ordinary horses nor is it an

ordinary chariot. Later I shall

describe them and it is clear that they

have many similarities to the kinds

of space craft described in the modern

UFO reports. We have information

about the road he was riding on from a

Vedic literature called the Vishnu

Purana. In the Vishnu Purana the

Devayana and another road called the

Pitriyana are described and the

positions of these roads are given in

terms of star positions. The

Devayana corresponds to the Milky Way

-- a bright band of stars which is

visible on a clear night.

 

In another Vedic literature called

the Srimad Bhagavatam it is mentioned

that mystics travel on the Milky Way

in their progressive journey to

higher planets or completely out of

this material universe and into the

transcendental realm. The Vedas

describe the material realm as consisting

of many roughly spherical universes.

Within each universe there are many

inhabited planets. In addition, the

concentric shells which cover each

universe are also inhabited. The

residents within each universe are unable

to leave that universe by ordinary

material means such as space ships or

rockets because material space as we

know it ceases to exist after one

crosses the shell corresponding to

the space element. This idea is similar

to one cosmographical conception in

modern physics based on Einstein's

general theory of relativity in which

space is thought to curve back on

itself in such a way that one can not

escape from this universe. In other

words, if you travel in a rocket in

one direction away from the earth, then

because the space time continuum is

curved, you would, after a sufficiently

long time of travel, return to the

earth! According to this conception,

there is no possibility for you to

find out what might exist outside this

universe. In the vedic conception,

each universe is bounded by shells

which consist of progressively finer

elements. The first shell is very

gross -- it corresponds to the solid

state of matter. The next shell

corresponds to the liquid state of

matter. The next is composed of the

element of effulgence or in the

language of modern physics, electromagnetic

radiation. The next is made of an

element which corresponds to the gaseous

state of matter. Then the 5th shell

is composed of the element of space

itself, and the layers outside of it

are composed of elements even more

subtle than space itself.

 

 

Now getting back to our description

of the celestial road called the

Devayana, we find that the Vedas

describe it also as the akash ganga or

celestial Ganges River.

It is interesting to note that there are traditions

from various cultures throughout the

world that identify the Milky Way as a

path used by mystics, in other words

a celetial path. The Cherokee Indians

of America consider the Milky Way to be

the pathway of the departing souls,

and the Chinese have a description of

a celestial river which corresponds

to the Milky Way.

 

 

In the Vedas (SB 2.2.24) it is

described that the mystics are travelling

overthe Milky Way by the " illuminating

Susumna " which is a beam of radiant

energy comming from the sun - but it

is not a beam of ordinary light. It

is exciting to compare this with

modern UFO accounts of people travelling

along beams of radiant energy. There

are many reports of this type - here

is a typical case. In a canyon called

Tijunga Canyon which is near Los

Angeles,

California a woman reported that

she walked out of her house in

the usual way, but then she found

herself being transported upwards on a

beam of radiant energy! It was

carrying her upwards at about the same angle

as an escalator. The difference was

that an escalator has steps and ridges

whereas this woman reported that the

only thing transporting her up was a

beam of light! In addition to the motive

power of the beam, she was also

able to walk up along it using her

feet. She was walking with her friends.

There are many reports like this from

various places - thebasic theme is

a beam of radiant energy with a

number of persons walking on it. Now, this

also fits in with Arjuna's travel on

the Devayana which corresponds to the

Milky Way.

 

 

It is also interesting to consider

his chariot. Earlier we mentioned that

it bears more resemblance to a UFO

than the standard construction of a

horse-drawn chariot. Here is a

description of the chariot he used at the

battle of Kuruksetra 5000 years ago

in India:

The chariot radiated light

and reverberated with a deep rumbling

sound. Although it is described as

having a definite structure, one could

not see exactly what its shape is.

Its beauty was so great that it

captivated the minds of all who saw it. In

modern UFO reports people often use

similar language to describe the

strange craft they see. One can not quite

see what the shape is and it is

radiating light. But it has a

definite structure nonetheless.

 

 

In the UFO reports there are various

descriptions of beings who walk

through space, but let us also

consider Arjuna's horses that were running

through space. First of all, we note

that Arjuna received them from a

resident of another planet called

Gandharvaloka where all the residents

have superhuman powers. Not only this

planet, but many other planets such

as Siddhaloka are described as being inhabited

by beings far superior to

humans in either mechanical

technology, psychic powers or even a

combination of both. The horses are

described as giving off a wonderfully

beautiful fragrance, capable of

travelling at the speed of the mind and

capable of changing color and

appearing and disappearing at will. Moreover,

the horses come to their owner simply

by his telepathic command and they

always act according to his desire.

Obviously they are not ordinary horses.

 

 

By comparison we note that in the

modern UFO reports people often

describe beings who are able to

appear and disappear abruptly at will right

before their eyes. One such case

involves a man named Maurice Maset who was

a farmer around the 1950s in France

near a town called Valensol. He was an

ordinary man and not in the habit of

making up strange stories. It is

reported that one day an oval-shaped

craft floated down and landed on his

field. Several small man-like beings

came out of the craft and floated

through the air while travelling.

Maurice Maset said that they slid along

beams of radiant effulgence. Then

they slid back into their craft. The

craft flew up a short distance into

the air and then vanished right before

his eyes. All of a sudden it disappeared.

It left marks on his field.

 

 

Thus we see a strong similarity

between modern UFO reports and reports

found in the Vedas. In particular, we

see a similarity of travel along

radiant beams. In effect, Arjuna was

travelling along a road of radiant

energy in the stars. In the Vedas

there are descriptions of yogis

travelling along paths in the sky.

Actually, this is just one of the

various mystic or psychic powers

possessed by the yogis and various other

residents of the higher planets.

 

 

In addition to these types of travel,

the Vedas describe self propelled

flying machines called vimanas. Some

are in fact flying cities! According

to the Ramayana, Ravana's capital was

a floating city. In SB it is

described that a great mystic named

Kardama Muni created an entire floating

city in which he and his wife toured

around the universe. In the tenth

canto of Srimad Bhagavatam it is

stated that a king name Salva enlisted the

aid of an expert technologist named

Maya Danava who lives on a different

planet called Bila Svarga. Maya

Danava built an entire flying city for

Salva. Among other wonderful

qualities it possessed the following:

A special navigation system for

seeing at night, high speed capability to

avoid detection from the ground, and

the ability to become either

completely invisible or to appear as

if there were many copies of it flying

in the sky. This is another case of

being able to appear or disappear

suddenly.

 

 

Of course the Vedas describe various

kinds of weapons and it is

interesting to note that there is a

description of a kind of weapon called

the brahmastra that is ammazingly

similar to the modern nuclear weapons. In

fact, it is superior in the respect

that it can be directed to kill only

one person in contrast to the modern

nuclear weapons which kill thousands

of innocent perople indescriminately.

The brahmastra is created and

directed by sound vibration. Only

highly qualified persons know the art of

invoking the brahmastra.

 

 

At this time I would also like to

mention that the vedic literatures

give evidence of a comparitively

sophisticated knowledge of astronomical

observation and measurement in

ancient india

at a very early date. Six

traditional Indian astronomical texts

such as the Surya siddhanta, the

Paitamaha siddhanta of the

Visnu-dharmottara Purana, and the Brahmagupta

siddhanta provide polar longitudinal

and latitudinal coordinates for a

number of stars. If one compares

these coordinates with the coordinates for

these stars according to modern

astronomy one can see that they differ by a

significant amount. At first glance

it would appear that the Indian

astronomers were poor observers. But

if one uses the equations of modern

astronomy to calculate where the

stars were in thedistant past one can

make a remarkable discovery -- the

traditional indian astronomical texts

mentioned above seem to be giving the

correct positions of the stars not as

seen today but where the stars were

thousands of years ago according to

modern calculations. In particular,

there appears to be a group of star

coordinates in the Indian works which

point to where these stars were

50,000 years ago according to modern

astronomical calculations.

 

 

Another astonishing piece of evidence

is the fact that the Surya

siddhanta contains the correct

diameters for a number of planets in our

solar system. By correct we mean that

they agree with those of modern

astronomy. This is interesting if we

take careful note of the fact that

according to western historians the

first telescope was invented only 400

years ago by Galileo. Without a

telescope one is unable to discern that the

planets have a spherical

cross-section, not to mention being able to

correctly measure it! Some scholars

would say that the Indian astronomers

got this information from ancient

Greek writings, but the diameters listed

in an ancient Greek text entitled

Planetary Hypotheses written by the

astronomer Ptolemy have no

relationship with either the modern values or

those from the Surya siddhanta.

 

 

Even using dating methods acceptable

to standard western historians it can

be demonstrated that the Surya

siddhanta is older than a mere 400 years

old, and according to the text of the

Surya siddhanta itself, it is

millions of years old!

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Swee,

Namaste

 

Yes, I have read

some parts of SB, its quite a lot of reading required to get through all 18

volumes, but will continue. I did read about the cosmic egg and the

imagery is beautiful, something words cant describe.

 

You mentioned

something interesting that I took with a pinch of salt when I heard a

‘futurist’, David Icke on radio, talking about the reptilian race,

is this something similar to the insect-like entities that transverse the

universe in ‘UFO’s like you described.

 

My posting the

article, incase you missed the reason, was the reference the writer made to the

Surya Siddhanta, maybe I should have captioned the title differently. Do you

have an English electronic version of the Surya Siddhanta??

 

I visited the

local observatory last year and was fortunate to see Krittika (Pleiades) and other stars through one of the fancy

telescopes. There is something very mystical about the Pleiades.

The seven stars sparkle beautifully and appear to be ‘dancing’.

Some of you on the forum may be interested to know that only some

constellations can be see from the southern hemisphere. Orion is upside

down compared to as viewed in the North and unique to the South, is the

Southern Cross and the gigantic constellation of Scorpio that literally covers

the entire night sky around the month of May.

 

Best Wishes

 

Bipin

 

Ps: Speaking

about Kritikka, here is her pic

 

 

 

Some Trivia –

The Motor Company Subaru is named after the Pleiades in Japanese, but for some

reason the logo only has 6 stars

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Swee Chan

19 December 2005 08:57 PM

 

RE: [Jaya Jagannatha]

Article - UFOs and the Vedic Literatures of Ancient India

 

 

Jaya

Jagannatha

 

Dear

Bipin,

Namaste

 

Did you

bother to read through your copy of the Stimad Bhagvatam? The bean of light is

not straight up, but rather each universe with each cosmic egg is connect in a

twisted like “fibre”/hazy/smokey.

 

All Devas,

Yakshas, Kinnaras, Pisachas are on a different planes. In each there are also

hellish conditions and heavenly conditions. There are 14 of this type of

universes and earth is one of them. Because they are on the loka loka mountain,

these beings so called are not like us humans. Hence ufo’s and their

inhabitants maybe insect like with such monstrous looks etc as you may see in

sci-fi movies. These are all described. These beings have the ability to

teleport themselves wherever and whenever.

Their

aerial chariots are the ufo’s. Indra’s vajra is the Laser gun.

Our

pitriloka and bhuta loka are the hellish planes that yama occupies with them

are all part and parcel of this universe and of others.

The theory

of relativity is but a theory. If you ask a scientist, they also have a

mathematical calculation to God. Is there?

 

You’ve

missed out on the Pleiades – the Great Bear/Saptarisi which you can now

see in the Southern sky……….so look out your window into the

night sky. This is the beginning of the calculation of time with Dhruva

(celestial pole) with that “fibrous rope” we’ve just talked

about, notching its cog into the East-West direction we call sunrise and

sunset.

 

Love,

Swee

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Bipin Prag

Saturday, December 17, 2005 5:04

PM

 

[Jaya Jagannatha] Article

- UFOs and the Vedic Literatures of Ancient India

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear List Members, Namaste

 

This Forum not only discusses Jyotish, but

embraces all other Vedic Sciences as well, so I thought I would list some

astrology related articles to stimulate some discussion. I found this

article very interesting, especially being intrigued by the supposed age of the

Surya Siddhanta. I will post more later

 

Regards

 

Bipin

Ps: Does anyone have an electronic version

of the Surya Siddhanta in English – ive ordered a commentary on this but

cant wait for snail mail

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

UFOs and the Vedic Literatures of Ancient

India (Sadaputa das)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

 

There is an intriguing relationship

between modern UFO reports and the

descriptions of the residents of

other planets found in the Vedic

literatures of ancient India.

It turns out that there are many

similarities between the modern and

Vedic accounts. According to the Vedic

literatures there are many inhabited

planets throughout the universe and

in many cases the residents of these

planets possess various kinds of

psychic powers and various degrees of

mechanical technology. It is

interesting to note that we also find

these same kinds of descriptions in

the modern UFO literature. I will

begin by describing some mystical means

of travel described in the Vedas and

comparing these to modern UFO

reports.

 

In the Mahabharata it is described

that a great warrior and mystic named

Arjuna was travelling on a road in

outer space called the Devayana (the

roadway of the demigods). He was

riding on a chariot pulled by horses, but

as we shall soon discover, these are

not ordinary horses nor is it an

ordinary chariot. Later I shall

describe them and it is clear that they

have many similarities to the kinds

of space craft described in the modern

UFO reports. We have information

about the road he was riding on from a

Vedic literature called the Vishnu

Purana. In the Vishnu Purana the

Devayana and another road called the

Pitriyana are described and the

positions of these roads are given in

terms of star positions. The

Devayana corresponds to the Milky Way

-- a bright band of stars which is

visible on a clear night.

 

In another Vedic literature called

the Srimad Bhagavatam it is mentioned

that mystics travel on the Milky Way

in their progressive journey to

higher planets or completely out of

this material universe and into the

transcendental realm. The Vedas

describe the material realm as consisting

of many roughly spherical universes.

Within each universe there are many

inhabited planets. In addition, the

concentric shells which cover each

universe are also inhabited. The

residents within each universe are unable

to leave that universe by ordinary

material means such as space ships or

rockets because material space as we

know it ceases to exist after one

crosses the shell corresponding to

the space element. This idea is similar

to one cosmographical conception in

modern physics based on Einstein's

general theory of relativity in which

space is thought to curve back on

itself in such a way that one can not

escape from this universe. In other

words, if you travel in a rocket in

one direction away from the earth, then

because the space time continuum is

curved, you would, after a sufficiently

long time of travel, return to the

earth! According to this conception,

there is no possibility for you to

find out what might exist outside this

universe. In the vedic conception,

each universe is bounded by shells

which consist of progressively finer

elements. The first shell is very

gross -- it corresponds to the solid

state of matter. The next shell

corresponds to the liquid state of

matter. The next is composed of the

element of effulgence or in the

language of modern physics, electromagnetic

radiation. The next is made of an

element which corresponds to the gaseous

state of matter. Then the 5th shell

is composed of the element of space

itself, and the layers outside of it

are composed of elements even more

subtle than space itself.

 

 

Now getting back to our description

of the celestial road called the

Devayana, we find that the Vedas

describe it also as the akash ganga or

celestial Ganges River.

It is interesting to note that there are traditions

from various cultures throughout the

world that identify the Milky Way as a

path used by mystics, in other words

a celetial path. The Cherokee Indians

of America consider the Milky Way to

be the pathway of the departing souls,

and the Chinese have a description of

a celestial river which corresponds

to the Milky Way.

 

 

In the Vedas (SB 2.2.24) it is

described that the mystics are travelling

overthe Milky Way by the

" illuminating Susumna " which is a beam of radiant

energy comming from the sun - but it is

not a beam of ordinary light. It

is exciting to compare this with

modern UFO accounts of people travelling

along beams of radiant energy. There

are many reports of this type - here

is a typical case. In a canyon called

Tijunga Canyon which is near Los

Angeles,

California a woman reported that

she walked out of her house in

the usual way, but then she found

herself being transported upwards on a

beam of radiant energy! It was

carrying her upwards at about the same angle

as an escalator. The difference was

that an escalator has steps and ridges

whereas this woman reported that the

only thing transporting her up was a

beam of light! In addition to the

motive power of the beam, she was also

able to walk up along it using her

feet. She was walking with her friends.

There are many reports like this from

various places - thebasic theme is

a beam of radiant energy with a

number of persons walking on it. Now, this

also fits in with Arjuna's travel on

the Devayana which corresponds to the

Milky Way.

 

 

It is also interesting to consider

his chariot. Earlier we mentioned that

it bears more resemblance to a UFO

than the standard construction of a

horse-drawn chariot. Here is a

description of the chariot he used at the

battle of Kuruksetra 5000 years ago

in India:

The chariot radiated light

and reverberated with a deep rumbling

sound. Although it is described as

having a definite structure, one

could not see exactly what its shape is.

Its beauty was so great that it

captivated the minds of all who saw it. In

modern UFO reports people often use

similar language to describe the

strange craft they see. One can not

quite see what the shape is and it is

radiating light. But it has a

definite structure nonetheless.

 

 

In the UFO reports there are various

descriptions of beings who walk

through space, but let us also

consider Arjuna's horses that were running

through space. First of all, we note

that Arjuna received them from a

resident of another planet called Gandharvaloka

where all the residents

have superhuman powers. Not only this

planet, but many other planets such

as Siddhaloka are described as being

inhabited by beings far superior to

humans in either mechanical

technology, psychic powers or even a

combination of both. The horses are

described as giving off a wonderfully

beautiful fragrance, capable of

travelling at the speed of the mind and

capable of changing color and

appearing and disappearing at will. Moreover,

the horses come to their owner simply

by his telepathic command and they

always act according to his desire.

Obviously they are not ordinary horses.

 

 

By comparison we note that in the

modern UFO reports people often

describe beings who are able to

appear and disappear abruptly at will right

before their eyes. One such case

involves a man named Maurice Maset who was

a farmer around the 1950s in France

near a town called Valensol. He was an

ordinary man and not in the habit of

making up strange stories. It is

reported that one day an oval-shaped

craft floated down and landed on his

field. Several small man-like beings

came out of the craft and floated

through the air while travelling.

Maurice Maset said that they slid along

beams of radiant effulgence. Then

they slid back into their craft. The

craft flew up a short distance into

the air and then vanished right before

his eyes. All of a sudden it

disappeared. It left marks on his field.

 

 

Thus we see a strong similarity

between modern UFO reports and reports

found in the Vedas. In particular, we

see a similarity of travel along

radiant beams. In effect, Arjuna was

travelling along a road of radiant

energy in the stars. In the Vedas

there are descriptions of yogis

travelling along paths in the sky. Actually,

this is just one of the

various mystic or psychic powers

possessed by the yogis and various other

residents of the higher planets.

 

 

In addition to these types of travel,

the Vedas describe self propelled

flying machines called vimanas. Some

are in fact flying cities! According

to the Ramayana, Ravana's capital was

a floating city. In SB it is

described that a great mystic named

Kardama Muni created an entire floating

city in which he and his wife toured

around the universe. In the tenth

canto of Srimad Bhagavatam it is

stated that a king name Salva enlisted the

aid of an expert technologist named

Maya Danava who lives on a different

planet called Bila Svarga. Maya

Danava built an entire flying city for

Salva. Among other wonderful

qualities it possessed the following:

A special navigation system for

seeing at night, high speed capability to

avoid detection from the ground, and

the ability to become either

completely invisible or to appear as

if there were many copies of it flying

in the sky. This is another case of

being able to appear or disappear

suddenly.

 

 

Of course the Vedas describe various

kinds of weapons and it is

interesting to note that there is a

description of a kind of weapon called

the brahmastra that is ammazingly

similar to the modern nuclear weapons. In

fact, it is superior in the respect

that it can be directed to kill only

one person in contrast to the modern

nuclear weapons which kill thousands

of innocent perople indescriminately.

The brahmastra is created and

directed by sound vibration. Only

highly qualified persons know the art of

invoking the brahmastra.

 

 

At this time I would also like to

mention that the vedic literatures

give evidence of a comparitively sophisticated

knowledge of astronomical

observation and measurement in

ancient india

at a very early date. Six

traditional Indian astronomical texts

such as the Surya siddhanta, the

Paitamaha siddhanta of the

Visnu-dharmottara Purana, and the Brahmagupta

siddhanta provide polar longitudinal

and latitudinal coordinates for a

number of stars. If one compares

these coordinates with the coordinates for

these stars according to modern

astronomy one can see that they differ by a

significant amount. At first glance

it would appear that the Indian

astronomers were poor observers. But

if one uses the equations of modern

astronomy to calculate where the

stars were in thedistant past one can

make a remarkable discovery -- the

traditional indian astronomical texts

mentioned above seem to be giving the

correct positions of the stars not as

seen today but where the stars were

thousands of years ago according to

modern calculations. In particular,

there appears to be a group of star

coordinates in the Indian works which

point to where these stars were

50,000 years ago according to modern

astronomical calculations.

 

 

Another astonishing piece of evidence

is the fact that the Surya

siddhanta contains the correct

diameters for a number of planets in our

solar system. By correct we mean that

they agree with those of modern

astronomy. This is interesting if we

take careful note of the fact that

according to western historians the

first telescope was invented only 400

years ago by Galileo. Without a

telescope one is unable to discern that the

planets have a spherical

cross-section, not to mention being able to

correctly measure it! Some scholars

would say that the Indian astronomers

got this information from ancient Greek

writings, but the diameters listed

in an ancient Greek text entitled

Planetary Hypotheses written by the

astronomer Ptolemy have no

relationship with either the modern values or

those from the Surya siddhanta.

 

 

Even using dating methods acceptable

to standard western historians it can

be demonstrated that the Surya

siddhanta is older than a mere 400 years

old, and according to the text of the

Surya siddhanta itself, it is

millions of years old!

 

 

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On Behalf Of Bipin Prag

20 December 2005 08:03 PM

 

RE: [Jaya Jagannatha]

Article - UFOs and the Vedic Literatures of Ancient India

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Swee,

Namaste

 

Yes, I have

read some parts of SB, its quite a lot of reading required to get through all

18 volumes, but will continue. I did read about the cosmic egg and the

imagery is beautiful, something words cant describe.

 

You mentioned

something interesting that I took with a pinch of salt when I heard a

‘futurist’, David Icke on radio, talking about the reptilian race,

is this something similar to the insect-like entities that transverse the

universe in ‘UFO’s like you described.

 

My posting the

article, incase you missed the reason, was the reference the writer made to the

Surya Siddhanta, maybe I should have captioned the title differently. Do you

have an English electronic version of the Surya Siddhanta??

 

I visited the local

observatory last year and was fortunate to see Krittika (Pleiades) and other stars through one of the fancy

telescopes. There is something very mystical about the Pleiades.

The seven stars sparkle beautifully and appear to be

‘dancing’. Some of you on the forum may be interested to know

that only some constellations can be see from the southern hemisphere.

Orion is upside down compared to as viewed in the North and unique to the South,

is the Southern Cross and the gigantic constellation of Scorpio that literally

covers the entire night sky around the month of May.

 

Best Wishes

 

Bipin

 

Ps: Speaking

about Kritikka, here is her pic

 

 

 

Some Trivia

– The Motor Company Subaru is named after the Pleiades in Japanese, but

for some reason the logo only has 6 stars

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Swee Chan

19 December 2005 08:57 PM

 

RE: [Jaya Jagannatha]

Article - UFOs and the Vedic Literatures of Ancient India

 

 

Jaya

Jagannatha

 

Dear

Bipin,

Namaste

 

Did you

bother to read through your copy of the Stimad Bhagvatam? The bean of light is

not straight up, but rather each universe with each cosmic egg is connect in a

twisted like “fibre”/hazy/smokey.

 

All Devas,

Yakshas, Kinnaras, Pisachas are on a different planes. In each there are also

hellish conditions and heavenly conditions. There are 14 of this type of universes

and earth is one of them. Because they are on the loka loka mountain, these

beings so called are not like us humans. Hence ufo’s and their

inhabitants maybe insect like with such monstrous looks etc as you may see in

sci-fi movies. These are all described. These beings have the ability to

teleport themselves wherever and whenever.

Their

aerial chariots are the ufo’s. Indra’s vajra is the Laser gun.

Our

pitriloka and bhuta loka are the hellish planes that yama occupies with them

are all part and parcel of this universe and of others.

The theory

of relativity is but a theory. If you ask a scientist, they also have a

mathematical calculation to God. Is there?

 

You’ve

missed out on the Pleiades – the Great Bear/Saptarisi which you can now

see in the Southern sky……….so look out your window into the

night sky. This is the beginning of the calculation of time with Dhruva

(celestial pole) with that “fibrous rope” we’ve just talked

about, notching its cog into the East-West direction we call sunrise and

sunset.

 

Love,

Swee

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Bipin Prag

Saturday, December 17, 2005

5:04 PM

 

[Jaya Jagannatha] Article

- UFOs and the Vedic Literatures of Ancient India

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear List Members, Namaste

 

This Forum not only discusses Jyotish, but

embraces all other Vedic Sciences as well, so I thought I would list some

astrology related articles to stimulate some discussion. I found this

article very interesting, especially being intrigued by the supposed age of the

Surya Siddhanta. I will post more later

 

Regards

 

Bipin

Ps: Does anyone have an electronic version

of the Surya Siddhanta in English – ive ordered a commentary on this but

cant wait for snail mail

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

UFOs and the Vedic Literatures of Ancient

India (Sadaputa das)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

 

There is an intriguing relationship

between modern UFO reports and the

descriptions of the residents of

other planets found in the Vedic

literatures of ancient India.

It turns out that there are many

similarities between the modern and

Vedic accounts. According to the Vedic

literatures there are many inhabited

planets throughout the universe and

in many cases the residents of these

planets possess various kinds of

psychic powers and various degrees of

mechanical technology. It is

interesting to note that we also find

these same kinds of descriptions in

the modern UFO literature. I will

begin by describing some mystical means

of travel described in the Vedas and

comparing these to modern UFO

reports.

 

In the Mahabharata it is described

that a great warrior and mystic named

Arjuna was travelling on a road in

outer space called the Devayana (the

roadway of the demigods). He was

riding on a chariot pulled by horses, but

as we shall soon discover, these are

not ordinary horses nor is it an

ordinary chariot. Later I shall

describe them and it is clear that they

have many similarities to the kinds

of space craft described in the modern

UFO reports. We have information

about the road he was riding on from a

Vedic literature called the Vishnu

Purana. In the Vishnu Purana the

Devayana and another road called the

Pitriyana are described and the

positions of these roads are given in

terms of star positions. The

Devayana corresponds to the Milky Way

-- a bright band of stars which is

visible on a clear night.

 

In another Vedic literature called

the Srimad Bhagavatam it is mentioned

that mystics travel on the Milky Way

in their progressive journey to

higher planets or completely out of

this material universe and into the

transcendental realm. The Vedas

describe the material realm as consisting

of many roughly spherical universes.

Within each universe there are many

inhabited planets. In addition, the

concentric shells which cover each

universe are also inhabited. The

residents within each universe are unable

to leave that universe by ordinary

material means such as space ships or

rockets because material space as we

know it ceases to exist after one

crosses the shell corresponding to

the space element. This idea is similar

to one cosmographical conception in

modern physics based on Einstein's

general theory of relativity in which

space is thought to curve back on

itself in such a way that one can not

escape from this universe. In other

words, if you travel in a rocket in

one direction away from the earth, then

because the space time continuum is

curved, you would, after a sufficiently

long time of travel, return to the

earth! According to this conception,

there is no possibility for you to

find out what might exist outside this

universe. In the vedic conception,

each universe is bounded by shells

which consist of progressively finer

elements. The first shell is very

gross -- it corresponds to the solid

state of matter. The next shell

corresponds to the liquid state of

matter. The next is composed of the

element of effulgence or in the

language of modern physics, electromagnetic

radiation. The next is made of an

element which corresponds to the gaseous

state of matter. Then the 5th shell

is composed of the element of space

itself, and the layers outside of it

are composed of elements even more

subtle than space itself.

 

 

Now getting back to our description

of the celestial road called the

Devayana, we find that the Vedas

describe it also as the akash ganga or

celestial Ganges River.

It is interesting to note that there are traditions

from various cultures throughout the

world that identify the Milky Way as a

path used by mystics, in other words

a celetial path. The Cherokee Indians

of America consider the Milky Way to

be the pathway of the departing souls,

and the Chinese have a description of

a celestial river which corresponds

to the Milky Way.

 

 

In the Vedas (SB 2.2.24) it is

described that the mystics are travelling

overthe Milky Way by the

" illuminating Susumna " which is a beam of radiant

energy comming from the sun - but it

is not a beam of ordinary light. It

is exciting to compare this with modern

UFO accounts of people travelling

along beams of radiant energy. There

are many reports of this type - here

is a typical case. In a canyon called

Tijunga Canyon which is near Los

Angeles,

California a woman reported that

she walked out of her house in

the usual way, but then she found

herself being transported upwards on a

beam of radiant energy! It was

carrying her upwards at about the same angle

as an escalator. The difference was

that an escalator has steps and ridges

whereas this woman reported that the

only thing transporting her up was a

beam of light! In addition to the

motive power of the beam, she was also

able to walk up along it using her

feet. She was walking with her friends.

There are many reports like this from

various places - thebasic theme is

a beam of radiant energy with a

number of persons walking on it. Now, this

also fits in with Arjuna's travel on

the Devayana which corresponds to the

Milky Way.

 

 

It is also interesting to consider

his chariot. Earlier we mentioned that

it bears more resemblance to a UFO

than the standard construction of a

horse-drawn chariot. Here is a

description of the chariot he used at the

battle of Kuruksetra 5000 years ago

in India:

The chariot radiated light

and reverberated with a deep rumbling

sound. Although it is described as

having a definite structure, one

could not see exactly what its shape is.

Its beauty was so great that it

captivated the minds of all who saw it. In

modern UFO reports people often use

similar language to describe the

strange craft they see. One can not

quite see what the shape is and it is

radiating light. But it has a

definite structure nonetheless.

 

 

In the UFO reports there are various

descriptions of beings who walk

through space, but let us also

consider Arjuna's horses that were running

through space. First of all, we note

that Arjuna received them from a

resident of another planet called

Gandharvaloka where all the residents

have superhuman powers. Not only this

planet, but many other planets such

as Siddhaloka are described as being

inhabited by beings far superior to

humans in either mechanical

technology, psychic powers or even a

combination of both. The horses are

described as giving off a wonderfully

beautiful fragrance, capable of

travelling at the speed of the mind and

capable of changing color and

appearing and disappearing at will. Moreover,

the horses come to their owner simply

by his telepathic command and they

always act according to his desire.

Obviously they are not ordinary horses.

 

 

By comparison we note that in the

modern UFO reports people often

describe beings who are able to

appear and disappear abruptly at will right

before their eyes. One such case

involves a man named Maurice Maset who was

a farmer around the 1950s in France

near a town called Valensol. He was an

ordinary man and not in the habit of

making up strange stories. It is

reported that one day an oval-shaped

craft floated down and landed on his

field. Several small man-like beings

came out of the craft and floated

through the air while travelling.

Maurice Maset said that they slid along

beams of radiant effulgence. Then

they slid back into their craft. The

craft flew up a short distance into

the air and then vanished right before

his eyes. All of a sudden it

disappeared. It left marks on his field.

 

 

Thus we see a strong similarity

between modern UFO reports and reports

found in the Vedas. In particular, we

see a similarity of travel along

radiant beams. In effect, Arjuna was

travelling along a road of radiant

energy in the stars. In the Vedas

there are descriptions of yogis

travelling along paths in the sky.

Actually, this is just one of the

various mystic or psychic powers possessed

by the yogis and various other

residents of the higher planets.

 

 

In addition to these types of travel,

the Vedas describe self propelled

flying machines called vimanas. Some

are in fact flying cities! According

to the Ramayana, Ravana's capital was

a floating city. In SB it is

described that a great mystic named

Kardama Muni created an entire floating

city in which he and his wife toured

around the universe. In the tenth

canto of Srimad Bhagavatam it is

stated that a king name Salva enlisted the

aid of an expert technologist named

Maya Danava who lives on a different

planet called Bila Svarga. Maya

Danava built an entire flying city for

Salva. Among other wonderful

qualities it possessed the following:

A special navigation system for

seeing at night, high speed capability to

avoid detection from the ground, and

the ability to become either

completely invisible or to appear as

if there were many copies of it flying

in the sky. This is another case of

being able to appear or disappear

suddenly.

 

 

Of course the Vedas describe various

kinds of weapons and it is

interesting to note that there is a

description of a kind of weapon called

the brahmastra that is ammazingly

similar to the modern nuclear weapons. In

fact, it is superior in the respect

that it can be directed to kill only

one person in contrast to the modern

nuclear weapons which kill thousands

of innocent perople indescriminately.

The brahmastra is created and

directed by sound vibration. Only

highly qualified persons know the art of

invoking the brahmastra.

 

 

At this time I would also like to

mention that the vedic literatures

give evidence of a comparitively

sophisticated knowledge of astronomical

observation and measurement in

ancient india

at a very early date. Six

traditional Indian astronomical texts

such as the Surya siddhanta, the

Paitamaha siddhanta of the

Visnu-dharmottara Purana, and the Brahmagupta

siddhanta provide polar longitudinal

and latitudinal coordinates for a

number of stars. If one compares

these coordinates with the coordinates for

these stars according to modern

astronomy one can see that they differ by a

significant amount. At first glance

it would appear that the Indian

astronomers were poor observers. But if

one uses the equations of modern

astronomy to calculate where the

stars were in thedistant past one can

make a remarkable discovery -- the

traditional indian astronomical texts

mentioned above seem to be giving the

correct positions of the stars not as

seen today but where the stars were

thousands of years ago according to

modern calculations. In particular,

there appears to be a group of star

coordinates in the Indian works which

point to where these stars were

50,000 years ago according to modern

astronomical calculations.

 

 

Another astonishing piece of evidence

is the fact that the Surya

siddhanta contains the correct

diameters for a number of planets in our

solar system. By correct we mean that

they agree with those of modern

astronomy. This is interesting if we

take careful note of the fact that

according to western historians the

first telescope was invented only 400

years ago by Galileo. Without a

telescope one is unable to discern that the

planets have a spherical cross-section,

not to mention being able to

correctly measure it! Some scholars

would say that the Indian astronomers

got this information from ancient

Greek writings, but the diameters listed

in an ancient Greek text entitled Planetary

Hypotheses written by the

astronomer Ptolemy have no

relationship with either the modern values or

those from the Surya siddhanta.

 

 

Even using dating methods acceptable

to standard western historians it can

be demonstrated that the Surya

siddhanta is older than a mere 400 years

old, and according to the text of the

Surya siddhanta itself, it is

millions of years old!

 

 

Thus it seems that (...)

 

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On Behalf Of Bipin Prag

Tuesday, December 20, 2005

8:24 PM

 

RE: [Jaya Jagannatha]

Article - UFOs and the Vedic Literatures of Ancient India

 

 

For

clarification … I didn’t write that article – it was written by Sadaputa das –

see brackets

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Bipin Prag

20 December 2005 08:03 PM

 

RE: [Jaya Jagannatha]

Article - UFOs and the Vedic Literatures of Ancient India

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Swee,

Namaste

 

Yes, I have

read some parts of SB, its quite a lot of reading required to get through all 18

volumes, but will continue. I did read about the cosmic egg and the

imagery is beautiful, something words cant describe.

 

You mentioned

something interesting that I took with a pinch of salt when I heard a

‘futurist’, David Icke on radio, talking about the reptilian race, is this

something similar to the insect-like entities that transverse the universe in

‘UFO’s like you described.

 

My posting the

article, incase you missed the reason, was the reference the writer made to the

Surya Siddhanta, maybe I should have captioned the title differently. Do you

have an English electronic version of the Surya Siddhanta??

 

I visited the

local observatory last year and was fortunate to see Krittika (Pleiades) and other stars through one of the fancy

telescopes. There is something very mystical about the Pleiades.

The seven stars sparkle beautifully and appear to be ‘dancing’. Some of

you on the forum may be interested to know that only some constellations can be

see from the southern hemisphere. Orion is upside down compared to as

viewed in the North and unique to the South, is the Southern Cross and the

gigantic constellation of Scorpio that literally covers the entire night sky

around the month of May.

 

Best Wishes

 

Bipin

 

Ps: Speaking

about Kritikka, here is her pic

 

 

 

Some Trivia –

The Motor Company Subaru is named after the Pleiades in Japanese, but for some

reason the logo only has 6 stars

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Swee Chan

19 December 2005 08:57 PM

 

RE: [Jaya Jagannatha]

Article - UFOs and the Vedic Literatures of Ancient India

 

 

Jaya

Jagannatha

 

Dear

Bipin,

Namaste

 

Did you bother

to read through your copy of the Stimad Bhagvatam? The bean of light is not

straight up, but rather each universe with each cosmic egg is connect in a

twisted like “fibre”/hazy/smokey.

 

All Devas,

Yakshas, Kinnaras, Pisachas are on a different planes. In each there are also

hellish conditions and heavenly conditions. There are 14 of this type of

universes and earth is one of them. Because they are on the loka loka mountain,

these beings so called are not like us humans. Hence ufo’s and their inhabitants

maybe insect like with such monstrous looks etc as you may see in sci-fi

movies. These are all described. These beings have the ability to teleport

themselves wherever and whenever.

Their

aerial chariots are the ufo’s. Indra’s vajra is the Laser gun.

Our

pitriloka and bhuta loka are the hellish planes that yama occupies with them

are all part and parcel of this universe and of others.

The theory

of relativity is but a theory. If you ask a scientist, they also have a

mathematical calculation to God. Is there?

 

You’ve

missed out on the Pleiades – the Great Bear/Saptarisi which you can now see in

the Southern sky……….so look out your window into the night sky. This is the

beginning of the calculation of time with Dhruva (celestial pole) with that

“fibrous rope” we’ve just talked about, notching its cog into the East-West

direction we call sunrise and sunset.

 

Love,

Swee

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Bipin Prag

Saturday, December 17, 2005

5:04 PM

 

[Jaya Jagannatha] Article

- UFOs and the Vedic Literatures of Ancient India

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear List Members, Namaste

 

This Forum not only discusses Jyotish, but

embraces all other Vedic Sciences as well, so I thought I would list some

astrology related articles to stimulate some discussion. I found this

article very interesting, especially being intrigued by the supposed age of the

Surya Siddhanta. I will post more later

 

Regards

 

Bipin

Ps: Does anyone have an electronic version

of the Surya Siddhanta in English – ive ordered a commentary on this but cant

wait for snail mail

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

UFOs and the Vedic Literatures of Ancient

India (Sadaputa das)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

 

There is an intriguing relationship

between modern UFO reports and the

descriptions of the residents of

other planets found in the Vedic

literatures of ancient India.

It turns out that there are many

similarities between the modern and

Vedic accounts. According to the Vedic

literatures there are many inhabited

planets throughout the universe and

in many cases the residents of these

planets possess various kinds of

psychic powers and various degrees of

mechanical technology. It is

interesting to note that we also find

these same kinds of descriptions in

the modern UFO literature. I will

begin by describing some mystical means

of travel described in the Vedas and

comparing these to modern UFO

reports.

 

In the Mahabharata it is described

that a great warrior and mystic named

Arjuna was travelling on a road in

outer space called the Devayana (the

roadway of the demigods). He was

riding on a chariot pulled by horses, but

as we shall soon discover, these are

not ordinary horses nor is it an

ordinary chariot. Later I shall

describe them and it is clear that they

have many similarities to the kinds

of space craft described in the modern

UFO reports. We have information

about the road he was riding on from a

Vedic literature called the Vishnu

Purana. In the Vishnu Purana the

Devayana and another road called the

Pitriyana are described and the

positions of these roads are given in

terms of star positions. The

Devayana corresponds to the Milky Way

-- a bright band of stars which is

visible on a clear night.

 

In another Vedic literature called

the Srimad Bhagavatam it is mentioned

that mystics travel on the Milky Way in

their progressive journey to

higher planets or completely out of

this material universe and into the

transcendental realm. The Vedas

describe the material realm as consisting

of many roughly spherical universes.

Within each universe there are many

inhabited planets. In addition, the

concentric shells which cover each

universe are also inhabited. The

residents within each universe are unable

to leave that universe by ordinary

material means such as space ships or

rockets because material space as we

know it ceases to exist after one

crosses the shell corresponding to

the space element. This idea is similar

to one cosmographical conception in

modern physics based on Einstein's

general theory of relativity in which

space is thought to curve back on

itself in such a way that one can not

escape from this universe. In other

words, if you travel in a rocket in

one direction away from the earth, then

because the space time continuum is

curved, you would, after a sufficiently

long time of travel, return to the

earth! According to this conception,

there is no possibility for you to

find out what might exist outside this

universe. In the vedic conception,

each universe is bounded by shells

which consist of progressively finer

elements. The first shell is very

gross -- it corresponds to the solid

state of matter. The next shell

corresponds to the liquid state of

matter. The next is composed of the

element of effulgence or in the

language of modern physics, electromagnetic

radiation. The next is made of an

element which corresponds to the gaseous

state of matter. Then the 5th shell

is composed of the element of space

itself, and the layers outside of it

are composed of elements even more

subtle than space itself.

 

 

Now getting back to our description

of the celestial road called the

Devayana, we find that the Vedas

describe it also as the akash ganga or

celestial Ganges River.

It is interesting to note that there are traditions

from various cultures throughout the

world that identify the Milky Way as a

path used by mystics, in other words

a celetial path. The Cherokee Indians

of America consider the Milky Way to

be the pathway of the departing souls,

and the Chinese have a description of

a celestial river which corresponds

to the Milky Way.

 

 

In the Vedas (SB 2.2.24) it is

described that the mystics are travelling

overthe Milky Way by the

" illuminating Susumna " which is a beam of radiant

energy comming from the sun - but it

is not a beam of ordinary light. It

is exciting to compare this with

modern UFO accounts of people travelling

along beams of radiant energy. There

are many reports of this type - here

is a typical case. In a canyon called

Tijunga Canyon which is near Los

Angeles,

California a woman reported that

she walked out of her house in

the usual way, but then she found

herself being transported upwards on a

beam of radiant energy! It was

carrying her upwards at about the same angle

as an escalator. The difference was

that an escalator has steps and ridges

whereas this woman reported that the

only thing transporting her up was a

beam of light! In addition to the

motive power of the beam, she was also

able to walk up along it using her

feet. She was walking with her friends.

There are many reports like this from

various places - thebasic theme is

a beam of radiant energy with a

number of persons walking on it. Now, this

also fits in with Arjuna's travel on

the Devayana which corresponds to the

Milky Way.

 

 

It is also interesting to consider

his chariot. Earlier we mentioned that

it bears more resemblance to a UFO

than the standard construction of a

horse-drawn chariot. Here is a

description of the chariot he used at the

battle of Kuruksetra 5000 years ago

in India:

The chariot radiated light

and reverberated with a deep rumbling

sound. Although it is described as

having a definite structure, one

could not see exactly what its shape is.

Its beauty was so great that it

captivated the minds of all who saw it. In

modern UFO reports people often use

similar language to describe the

strange craft they see. One can not

quite see what the shape is and it is

radiating light. But it has a

definite structure nonetheless.

 

 

In the UFO reports there are various

descriptions of beings who walk

through space, but let us also

consider Arjuna's horses that were running

through space. First of all, we note

that Arjuna received them from a

resident of another planet called

Gandharvaloka where all the residents

have superhuman powers. Not only this

planet, but many other planets such

as Siddhaloka are described as being

inhabited by beings far superior to

humans in either mechanical

technology, psychic powers or even a

combination of both. The horses are

described as giving off a wonderfully

beautiful fragrance, capable of

travelling at the speed of the mind and

capable of changing color and

appearing and disappearing at will. Moreover,

the horses come to their owner simply

by his telepathic command and they

always act according to his desire.

Obviously they are not ordinary horses.

 

 

By comparison we note that in the

modern UFO reports people often

describe beings who are able to

appear and disappear abruptly at will right

before their eyes. One such case

involves a man named Maurice Maset who was

a farmer around the 1950s in France

near a town called Valensol. He was an

ordinary man and not in the habit of

making up strange stories. It is

reported that one day an oval-shaped

craft floated down and landed on his

field. Several small man-like beings

came out of the craft and floated

through the air while travelling.

Maurice Maset said that they slid along

beams of radiant effulgence. Then

they slid back into their craft. The

craft flew up a short distance into

the air and then vanished right before

his eyes. All of a sudden it

disappeared. It left marks on his field.

 

 

Thus we see a strong similarity

between modern UFO reports and reports

found in the Vedas. In particular, we

see a similarity of travel along

radiant beams. In effect, Arjuna was

travelling along a road of radiant

energy in the stars. In the Vedas

there are descriptions of yogis

travelling along paths in the sky.

Actually, this is just one of the

various mystic or psychic powers

possessed by the yogis and various other

residents of the higher planets.

 

 

In addition to these types of travel,

the Vedas describe self propelled

flying machines called vimanas. Some

are in fact flying cities! According

to the Ramayana, Ravana's capital was

a floating city. In SB it is

described that a great mystic named

Kardama Muni created an entire floating

city in which he and his wife toured

around the universe. In the tenth

canto of Srimad Bhagavatam it is

stated that a king name Salva enlisted the

aid of an expert technologist named

Maya Danava who lives on a different

planet called Bila Svarga. Maya

Danava built an entire flying city for

Salva. Among other wonderful

qualities it possessed the following:

A special navigation system for

seeing at night, high speed capability to

avoid detection from the ground, and

the ability to become either

completely invisible or to appear as

if there were many copies of it flying

in the sky. This is another case of

being able to appear or disappear

suddenly.

 

 

Of course the Vedas describe various

kinds of weapons and it is

interesting to note that there is a

description of a kind of weapon called

the brahmastra that is ammazingly

similar to the modern nuclear weapons. In

fact, it is superior in the respect

that it can be directed to kill only

one person in contrast to the modern

nuclear weapons which kill thousands

of innocent perople indescriminately.

The brahmastra is created and

directed by sound vibration. Only

highly qualified persons know the art of

invoking the brahmastra.

 

 

At this time I would also like to

mention that the vedic literatures

give evidence of a comparitively

sophisticated knowledge of astronomical

observation and measurement in

ancient india

at a very early date. Six

traditional Indian astronomical texts

such as the Surya siddhanta, the

Paitamaha siddhanta of the

Visnu-dharmottara Purana, and the Brahmagupta

siddhanta provide polar longitudinal

and latitudinal coordinates for a

number of stars. If one compares

these coordinates with the coordinates for

these stars according to modern

astronomy one can see that they differ by a

significant amount. At first glance

it would appear that the Indian

astronomers were poor observers. But

if one uses the equations of modern

astronomy to calculate where the

stars were in thedistant past one can

make a remarkable discovery -- the

traditional indian astronomical texts

mentioned above seem to be giving the

correct positions of the stars not as

seen today but where the stars were

thousands of years ago according to

modern calculations. In particular,

there appears to be a group of star

coordinates in the Indian works which

point to where these stars were

50,000 years ago according to modern

astronomical calculations.

 

 

Another astonishing piece of evidence

is the fact that the Surya

siddhanta contains the correct

diameters for a number of planets in our

solar system. By correct we mean that

they agree with those of modern

astronomy. This is interesting if we

take careful note of the fact that

according to western historians the

first telescope was invented only 400

years ago by Galileo. Without a

telescope one is unable to discern that the

planets have a spherical

cross-section, not to mention being able to

correctly measure it! Some scholars

would say that the Indian astronomers

got this information from ancient

Greek writings, but the diameters listed

in an ancient Greek text entitled

Planetary Hypotheses written by the

astronomer Ptolemy have no

relationship with either the modern values or

those from the Surya siddhanta.

 

 

Even using dating methods acceptable

to standard western historians it can

be demonstrated that the Surya

siddhanta is older than a mere 400 years

old, and according to the text of the

Surya siddhanta itself, it is

millions of years old!

 

 

Thus it seems that (...)

 

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