RE: Divisional Charts & Use of VL

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OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

JAYA JAGANNATHA

 

Namaste Mr.Ash,

 

I am also a very basic level student and I had similar questions as you asked here. Later it was cleared. As our list is quite, I will try to give my explanations. But, Gurus can correct me.

 

The explanations are below

 

Thanks

Solai

 

Ash Sam [ashsam73]Tuesday, August 15, 2000 6:32 PMvarahamihira Subject: [sri Guru] Divisional Charts & Use of VL

Namaste all,I have a little confusion on the Divisional Chart, which I hope any of my class mates or jyotish gurus could help me sort it out.This is my understanding of the use of the divisional chart. One would look at a divisional chart as a harmonic of the Rasi chart and its use would be to confirm and predict the timing of events of a particular house in the rasi chart.For eg. for the 10th house in the Rasi chart, one would look at the Dasamsa chart D10 to CONFIRM what we have seen in the Rasi chart as it is the 10th Harmonic of the Rasi chart.If that is true then from some of the reading that I have seen for eg. the Chart of Amitab Bacchan there has to be some indication of an acting career in D1 chart to which one would then see the D10 to confirm it and use one of the Dasa like the Narayan Dasa for the timing. The reason for my querry is because in some of the prior listing I was under the impression that one had to resort to the 10th division to predict the career rather than confirm it.Since I am a beginner some of my question may sound very basic so please pardon my ignorance and help me understand the fundamentals.

 

First, there are so many techniques in Astrology. What has been taught to us is very very little. The combinations of planets and interpretation of Rasi and Navamsa will reveal most of the general aspects of a person. Divisional charts are for the finer ones. As Mr.Vijay of our list once mentioned, an expert architect can visualise the entire building from the two dimensional diagram of a building. But, for beginners, they need the 3 dimensional diagram to understand the whole picture. Rasi and Navamsa are like 2 dimensional chart. It will reveal everything if you are an expert. Otherwise, we require the help of divisional charts for better understanding. As Mr.Narasimha mentioned, still so many Astrologers rely only on Rasi and Navamsa and their predictions are pretty accurate. But, if Rasi and divisional are used in combination, the results will be more reliable. Basically, what an astrologer tells must be accurate and true. In order to achieve the highest degree of accuracy, not only the divisional charts but other techniques are all to be combined and look at them as one. For us to reach that level it will take years, provided we work hard.

 

Let me give an very impressive example from our Archives. For a combination of Venus and Jupiter in 8th house Pt.Sanjay Rath gave an answer as follows, " Dear Mr.Inian, this is a very spiritual combination and will make the person a very good and saintly human being. Is this present in your chart? There maybe some suffering due to the 8th house position of Venus, but the native will become very spiritual."

 

For this Mr.Narasimha has asked a question, "But, I remember that this (Jupiter and Venus in 8th) forms "Raakshasa yoga", with the results attributed being ruthlessness and sadism. Please clarify.

 

Answer for this by Pt.Sanjay Rath

" I agree with your findings. The exception should be the Lagna's of Jupiter or Venus where this combination will find a place in the sixth from Arudha lagna in strength. Then although born in a Rakshasha clan, the native will become a Vaishnava like Bhakta Prahalad. venus in the 8th produces a very spiritual person and this will be seen in the charts of many Sadhu's and saints. "

See the depth of knowledge of our Gurudeva. On a simple look anybody will conclude, this as a Rakshasa yoga. What I want to mention here is there are so so many rules and dictums which has to be considered before judging.

I also have another question. I have been reading Gurujis book of COVA and UPJS, and another of my fundamental questions is that What is the order in which to read a chart ? Let me elucidate on my question. I mean for eg. in Queen's chart in the books she has a few planets in the 12th house which on the fist glance does not look very promising but if one looks at if from VL then there are a lot of yogas and raj yogas which has made her the queen. If such is the case then VL just like the GL and AL and HL is very important but when jyotish gurus and fello class mates give an explanation of a chart I have not seen one using VL a lot. Is there a reason for that ?Could the jyotish gurus guide me at to the order in which to approach the chart for prediction?

 

There is no hard and fast rule, that is the fortunate and unfortunate thing with Jyotish. If the order or rule is fixed, it is easy for the computers to predict. That is why this knowledge of Jyotish is not taught easily and it is not given to everybody. It is meant for only who are dedicated, who are having faith and who wants remove the darkness of a human being with the help of the Jyotish torch.

 

What you are asking will come to you in due course. It is like, when we are looking at is a list of names, say in travel booking chart, our name and our family names catches our eyes immediately. Similarly, when we are familiar with all these techniques and rules, the order will be formed in our mind and things will be clear.

When I was looking at charts in the beginning I was struggling to figure out the signs - exaltation - own houses. But, now by just looking at the chart, these are visible as crystal.

 

As far as application of VL, Mr.Narasimha has used in several occasions. Similarly, you could have seen in our list, transit of planets had been considered in a few occasions only. It is all depends on what subject is in question.

 

I would appreciate if my learned gurus and fello class mates could help me resolve my confusions.Thank you for your patience,Your Shisya,AshOM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.html

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JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

Dear Ash,

 

Namaste.

 

> This is my understanding of the use of the divisional chart.

> One would look at a divisional chart as a harmonic of the Rasi chart

> and its use would be to confirm and predict the timing of events of a

> particular house in the rasi chart.

> For eg. for the 10th house in the Rasi chart, one would look at the

> Dasamsa chart D10 to CONFIRM what we have seen in the Rasi chart as

> it is the 10th Harmonic of the Rasi chart.

 

The system is not as simple. For example, for wife you see 7th in Rasi, but not

D-7,

rather D-9. For children you see 5th in Rasi, but not D-5, rather D-7. And so

on. the area

of competence of a divisional chart is revealed by the Maharishis, and it's

sometimes not

so easy to say why they gave longevity to D-11 for example. So if you study

BPHS, UPSJ nad

COVA, you will have knowledge of usin the divisional charts better than any

other Jyotisha

on the scene. Gurudeva is very specific on this in His books.

 

> If that is true then from some of the reading that I have seen for

> eg. the Chart of Amitab Bacchan there has to be some indication of an

> acting career in D1 chart to which one would then see the D10 to

> confirm it and use one of the Dasa like the Narayan Dasa for the

> timing.

 

Yes, your logic is correct. Some indication has to be there, either in the 10th

from

Lagna, AL, Moon or GL or VL or the Arudha of these houses. I don't have the

chart at the

monet, but you sould check. Maybe the indication is not so prominent, and the

D-charts

bring it out better, but as the Rasi is the root, nothing may happen if it's not

indicated

there. The D-charts can only modify it to some extent. For example, if in the

Rasi not

more tah i child is indicated, it won't be more, even if the D-7 promises so.

But you may

see some unsuccessful pregnancies form it better tthan from Rasi.

 

> I also have another question. I have been reading Gurujis book of

> COVA and UPJS, and another of my fundamental questions is that

> What is the order in which to read a chart ?

> Let me elucidate on my question. I mean for eg. in Queen's chart in

> the books she has a few planets in the 12th house which on the fist

> glance does not look very promising but if one looks at if from VL

> then there are a lot of yogas and raj yogas which has made her the

> queen. If such is the case then VL just like the GL and AL and HL is

> very important but when jyotish gurus and fello class mates give an

> explanation of a chart I have not seen one using VL a lot. Is there

> a reason for that ?

> Could the jyotish gurus guide me at to the order in which to approach

> the chart for prediction?

 

As Solai said, it depends on the purpose you wnat to achieve. I believe that

tehre is no

such a thing as " complete analysis of a chart " , because all the personality of

the native

is in there. So how can you describe it all? It would fill books upon books of

explanation. I usually ask the clients what would they like to know and go along

those

lines. For this you always have to know which are the factors that considerably

influence

the questioned area of the native's life. Thus you go along those guidelines.

You should

know where to look for profession, children, spouse, spirituality etc.

Varnada Lagna is mostly used for profession, and Varnada dasa for determining

longevity. A

few examples are given in the UPSJ.

 

Yours, Gauranga das

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Please, can someone tell me what is VL and how it is used?

 

Thanks,

Krishna.

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OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

JAYA JAGANNATHA

 

Namste Mr.Krishna,

 

VL means Varnada Lagna

 

It is there in Pt.Sanjay's book "Jaimini Maharishi's Upadesa Sutras" (p.372-373).

 

Thanks

Solai

 

Krishna Padmasola [krishna]Thursday, August 17, 2000 6:00 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: [sri Guru] Divisional Charts & Use of VLPlease, can someone tell me what is VL and how it is used?Thanks,Krishna.OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.html

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JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

Dear Krishna,

 

Namaste.

 

Besides Varnada Lagna this abbreviation may technincally also mean Vighatika

Lagna, but I

think in the previous postings Varnada Lagna was mentioned for determining of

the Varna or

profession/social position of the native, while Vighatika Lagna is used for

birth time

rectification.

 

Yours, Gauranga das