Guest guest Posted October 5, 1999 Report Share Posted October 5, 1999 Aum Gurudevaya Namah Pranam gurudev, I got enlightened from the discussion between you and sri Gautam Sarkar. As far as my understanding goes all the way leads to the same destination, the final emancipation. The worshipping of the different dieties, Brahma, Vishnu, Maheswara, Ma Kali or so builds the foundation on which we could build the edifice of higher spiritual consciousness. When we go higher and higher in the spiritual path, the more and more we get conscious about the Nirakar Bramha. At that time the different path which we followed to reach that position becomes immaterial. We see the light of the supreme consciousness within ourselves. I don't know whether I am a Shakta, Shaiva or vaisnava. I have equal regards for all of them. But i like to worship Ma Kali as I perceive her as my mother who can hold my fingers and take me ahead in the path of self realizaion. I have full faith on my spiritual Gurudev that he will take me to the right destination at the right time. BTW our Kul devata is Ma Chandi. You have mentioned that the Ista devata can be seen from the 12th from the Ak in the D-9 Chart. Please throw some light on it. I like to know my Ista Devata. Your obedient shisya Sarajit Please forgive me for my not participating in the jyotish discussion. Actually I don't have the three basic books the BPHS, COVA and UPSJ. Hence I am finding it difficult to refer, whatever is being discussed here. I have placed an order with Sagar publications and expecting them in a day or two. I shall bother you again after I receive them for clarification of some topics that have been discussed here " Sanjay Rath " <srath wrote: JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Gautam Da, Your post on being a Brahmana is fantastic. I need to clarify my personal views on this as you have mentioned something about my change in faith! In my village in Bira Balabhadrapur Sasan village of Puri (the Earthly abode of Sri Jagannatha), there are two temples. One temple is of Sri Somanath where the Shiva Linga of Someshwara is immersed in water of the adjoining tributary named Bhagavi (Wife of Rishi Bhargava or Brighu) of the Mahanadi river. Lord somanatha is considered the Lata or the highest Jyotirlinga form of Lord Shiva and is representing the Somanath temple of Saurashtra from where my forefathers had migrated many centuries back. He is our Kula Devata and we continue to worship Him everyday. My wife fasts on every Monday and worships Lord Somanath and my son is named Somanath after Him. My father chose the name so that by merely calling him I will also be reciting the Name of the Kula Devata. The second temple is a Vishnu Mandira. Thus the Ista Devata of all the people belonging to Puri is Jagannatha and their Kula Devata will depend on the Village they belong to. Hence, according to my family tradition, I continue to worship both my Kula and Ista Devata. There has been no change what-so-ever in this matter. My mothers family (Lineage) worship Kali Mata and Jagannatha as they also belong to Orissa and follow the tradition of Sri Rama Krishna Paramhamsa. There is bound to be affection out here also. I learnt the Dasa Mahavidya from this and am ever grateful for the knowledge. I learnt to worship Lord Ganapati as a kid and fasted for 4 hours!! during Ganesh Pooja. In keeping with this, every alternate generation is named after the Kula and Ista Devata. My son is Somanath after Shiva, I am Sanjay after Jagannath, my father is Umakant after Shiva, my grandfather is Jagannath after Jagannath, my greatgrandfather is again Somanath after Shiva and my great great grandfather is Ramachandra after Jagannath. The reason for this is, perhaps the principle taught by Kalidasa that Vishnu chants the name of Shiva and Shiva chants the name of Vishnu (Rameshwara..). So, please do not judge me so harshly as having changed my faith or Ista Devata. In fact nobody can change his Ista Devata. This is fixed in the 12th house from the Karakamsa in the D-9 Chart and sooner or later the native will arrive at His door. Best Regards, Sanjay Rath __________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 1999 Report Share Posted October 5, 1999 Om Ganeshaya Namah Jai Jai Sri Jagannath Dear Sarajit, Take your D-9 chart and look for the sign in which your Atmakaraka is disposited. This sign is your Karakamsa. Look at the 12th house from this sign and look for planet(s) disposited in it. A single planet will denote the Ishta Devata as represented by the planet. In case there are more than one planet, then the stronger planet (in terms of degrees) signifies the Ishta Devata. In case there are no planets, then look for the rasi drishti on the 12th. The planet aspecting the 12th (rasi drishti) will signify the Ishta Devata. However, if there are neither planets nor rasi drishti, then the lord of the rasi will signify the Ishta Devata. Ishta Devata is the guiding deity of the Atma at every step. Prayer to Ishta Devata will remove all obstacles and set the Atma on the right path. You may already be aware of the deities for the nine grahas. In any case, they are: Surya - Shiva Chandra - Gauri Mangal - Skanda/Kartikeya Budh - Vishnu Brihaspati - Samba Shiva (Guru Rupa) Sukra - Lakshmi Sani - Narayana Rahu - Durga Ketu - Ganesh So, one of these deities will be the Ishta Devata. Regards, Sarat. Sarajit Poddar <sarajit varahamihira <varahamihira > Tuesday, October 05, 1999 5:44 PM Re: [ Brahmin by Birth?] >Aum Gurudevaya Namah >Pranam gurudev, > >I got enlightened from the discussion between you and sri Gautam Sarkar. As >far as my understanding goes all the way leads to the same destination, the >final emancipation. The worshipping of the different dieties, Brahma, Vishnu, >Maheswara, Ma Kali or so builds the foundation on which we could build the >edifice of higher spiritual consciousness. When we go higher and higher in the >spiritual path, the more and more we get conscious about the Nirakar Bramha. >At that time the different path which we followed to reach that position >becomes immaterial. We see the light of the supreme consciousness within >ourselves. >I don't know whether I am a Shakta, Shaiva or vaisnava. I have equal regards >for all of them. But i like to worship Ma Kali as I perceive her as my >mother who can hold my fingers and take me ahead in the path of self >realizaion. I have full faith on my spiritual Gurudev that he will take me to >the right destination at the right time. BTW our Kul devata is Ma Chandi. You >have mentioned that the Ista devata can be seen from the 12th from the Ak in >the D-9 Chart. Please throw some light on it. I like to know my Ista Devata. > >Your obedient shisya >Sarajit > >Please forgive me for my not participating in the jyotish discussion. Actually >I don't have the three basic books the BPHS, COVA and UPSJ. Hence I am finding >it difficult to refer, whatever is being discussed here. I have placed an >order with Sagar publications and expecting them in a day or two. I shall >bother you again after I receive them for clarification of some topics that >have been discussed here > > > > > > " Sanjay Rath " <srath wrote: >JAYA JAGANNATH >Dear Gautam Da, > Your post on being a Brahmana is fantastic. > I need to clarify my personal views on this as you have mentioned >something about my change in faith! In my village in Bira Balabhadrapur >Sasan village of Puri (the Earthly abode of Sri Jagannatha), there are two >temples. One temple is of Sri Somanath where the Shiva Linga of Someshwara >is immersed in water of the adjoining tributary named Bhagavi (Wife of Rishi >Bhargava or Brighu) of the Mahanadi river. Lord somanatha is considered the >Lata or the highest Jyotirlinga form of Lord Shiva and is representing the >Somanath temple of Saurashtra from where my forefathers had migrated many >centuries back. He is our Kula Devata and we continue to worship Him >everyday. My wife fasts on every Monday and worships Lord Somanath and my >son is named Somanath after Him. My father chose the name so that by merely >calling him I will also be reciting the Name of the Kula Devata. > The second temple is a Vishnu Mandira. Thus the Ista Devata of all the >people belonging to Puri is Jagannatha and their Kula Devata will depend on >the Village they belong to. Hence, according to my family tradition, I >continue to worship both my Kula and Ista Devata. There has been no change >what-so-ever in this matter. My mothers family (Lineage) worship Kali Mata >and Jagannatha as they also belong to Orissa and follow the tradition of Sri >Rama Krishna Paramhamsa. There is bound to be affection out here also. I >learnt the Dasa Mahavidya from this and am ever grateful for the knowledge. >I learnt to worship Lord Ganapati as a kid and fasted for 4 hours!! during >Ganesh Pooja. > In keeping with this, every alternate generation is named after the Kula >and Ista Devata. My son is Somanath after Shiva, I am Sanjay after >Jagannath, my father is Umakant after Shiva, my grandfather is Jagannath >after Jagannath, my greatgrandfather is again Somanath after Shiva and my >great great grandfather is Ramachandra after Jagannath. The reason for this >is, perhaps the principle taught by Kalidasa that Vishnu chants the name of >Shiva and Shiva chants the name of Vishnu (Rameshwara..). > So, please do not judge me so harshly as having changed my faith or Ista >Devata. In fact nobody can change his Ista Devata. This is fixed in the 12th >house from the Karakamsa in the D-9 Chart and sooner or later the native >will arrive at His door. >Best Regards, >Sanjay Rath > > > > >__________________ >Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > >------ >HARI OM TAT SAT >Jaya Jagannatha Mahaprabhu > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 1999 Report Share Posted October 5, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Sarajit, I hope you are aware that the worship of Kali Ma removes all worldly desire and guides us to our ultimate goal. Todal tantra and other such books teach that there is no difference between the satwik Worship of Kali and the Bhakti of sri krishna as their Beeja are the similar Brahma Beeja (KRIM) and Kaama Beeja (KLIM). Make you navamsa Chart and see the placement of the AK in it. See the 12th from AK and determine the Ista Devata. Better stii, mail your chart to the list. Hare Krishna Sanjay Rath - Sarajit Poddar <sarajit <varahamihira > Tuesday, October 05, 1999 5:37 PM Re: [ Brahmin by Birth?] > Aum Gurudevaya Namah > Pranam gurudev, > > I got enlightened from the discussion between you and sri Gautam Sarkar. As > far as my understanding goes all the way leads to the same destination, the > final emancipation. The worshipping of the different dieties, Brahma, Vishnu, > Maheswara, Ma Kali or so builds the foundation on which we could build the > edifice of higher spiritual consciousness. When we go higher and higher in the > spiritual path, the more and more we get conscious about the Nirakar Bramha. > At that time the different path which we followed to reach that position > becomes immaterial. We see the light of the supreme consciousness within > ourselves. > I don't know whether I am a Shakta, Shaiva or vaisnava. I have equal regards > for all of them. But i like to worship Ma Kali as I perceive her as my > mother who can hold my fingers and take me ahead in the path of self > realizaion. I have full faith on my spiritual Gurudev that he will take me to > the right destination at the right time. BTW our Kul devata is Ma Chandi. You > have mentioned that the Ista devata can be seen from the 12th from the Ak in > the D-9 Chart. Please throw some light on it. I like to know my Ista Devata. > > Your obedient shisya > Sarajit > > Please forgive me for my not participating in the jyotish discussion. Actually > I don't have the three basic books the BPHS, COVA and UPSJ. Hence I am finding > it difficult to refer, whatever is being discussed here. I have placed an > order with Sagar publications and expecting them in a day or two. I shall > bother you again after I receive them for clarification of some topics that > have been discussed here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 1999 Report Share Posted October 6, 1999 Dear Sarajit-ji, Hare Krishna. Jaya Sri Sri Guru-Gauranga! If you allow, just to add two words in the line... >I got enlightened from the discussion between you and sri Gautam Sarkar. As >far as my understanding goes all the way leads to the same destination, the >final emancipation. The worshipping of the different dieties, Brahma, Vishnu, >Maheswara, Ma Kali or so builds the foundation on which we could build the >edifice of higher spiritual consciousness. When we go higher and higher in the >spiritual path, the more and more we get conscious about the Nirakar Bramha. >At that time the different path which we followed to reach that position >becomes immaterial. We see the light of the supreme consciousness within >ourselves. ....and then after realizing Nirakar Brahma you MUST get to an understanding of the eternal FORM of the Supreme Personality of Godhead Sri Krishna who is the source and support of the Nirakar Brahaman: " brhamano hi pratishthaham " . You MUST understand your eternal relatiohship with Him (sambandha-jnana) as His eternal servitor, then you MUST act in this understanding (abhidheya) and then you MUST reach the ultimate goal and necessaty of this relationship (prayojana) which is pure love of God. It is not within the dharma-artha-kama-moksha sphere. It is panchama-purushartha - " prema pumartha mahan " . This is not my verdict - this is the verdict of the Gita/ Brahma-bhuta prasannatma na sochati na kanksati sama sarvesu bhutesu mad-bhaktim labhate param " One who is thus transcendentally situated at once realizes the Supreme Brahman and becomes fully joyful. He never laments or desires to have anything. He is equally disposed toward every living entity. In that state he attains pure devotional service unto Me. " (BG 18.54) Please read the Bhagavad-Gita As It Is by Srila Prabhupada. If you don't have a copy you can get one from the nearest Hare Krishna Mandir or buy online at: com.bbt.se or if you like I can send you an electronic version of it. I wish you all success in your search of Absolute Truth. You are a sincere person and Lord Jagannath will surely guide you all the way. Kindest regards, Yasomatinandana das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 1999 Report Share Posted October 7, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Gauranga, In answer to your question at the bottom: This is a specific combination for great spirituality. See the chart of Vivekananda. Hare Krishna Sanjay Rath - Gauranga Das <gauranga Varahamihira <varahamihira > Thursday, October 07, 1999 12:21 AM Re: [ Brahmin by Birth?] > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > > Take your D-9 chart and look for the sign in which your Atmakaraka is > > disposited. This sign is your Karakamsa. Look at the 12th house from this > > sign and look for planet(s) disposited in it. A single planet will denote > > the Ishta Devata as represented by the planet. In case there are more than > > one planet, then the stronger planet (in terms of degrees) signifies the > > Ishta Devata. In case there are no planets, then look for the rasi drishti > > on the 12th. The planet aspecting the 12th (rasi drishti) will signify the > > Ishta Devata. However, if there are neither planets nor rasi drishti, then > > the lord of the rasi will signify the Ishta Devata. Ishta Devata is the > > guiding deity of the Atma at every step. Prayer to Ishta Devata will remove > > all obstacles and set the Atma on the right path. You may already be aware > > of the deities for the nine grahas. In any case, they are: > > Dear all, > > Pranaams! > > A little question: What happens if the Navamsha Lagna is also in the 12th from Karakamsha together with the planet representing the Ishta-devata? > > Yours, > > Gauranga das > > > ------ > Join theglobe.com the premiere online community! Take advantage of > FREE homepages, Stock quotes, News, Chat, Games and more! Interact > with people just like you! http://clickhere./click/1042 > > HARI OM TAT SAT > Jaya Jagannatha Mahaprabhu > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 1999 Report Share Posted October 7, 1999 Pranaam Sanjay, > This is a specific combination for great spirituality. See > the chart of > Vivekananda. What if lagna is in the 12th from karakamsa and no planet occupies it? Your sishya, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 1999 Report Share Posted October 7, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Narasimha, So what, that is the specific point concerned with Moksha and the potential for this exists. In fact the second house from navamsa Lagna is always a VITAL FOCUS in jyotish and in the situation you provide, this will be karakamsa. Read the last few chapters on USJM for more deatils on this where the effects of each Lagnamsa rising have been explained. You know all this, but I am just giving the connection for everybody. Hare Krishna Sanjay Rath - Narasimha Rao <pvr <varahamihira > Thursday, October 07, 1999 11:38 AM Re: [ Brahmin by Birth?] > Pranaam Sanjay, > > > This is a specific combination for great spirituality. See > > the chart of > > Vivekananda. > > What if lagna is in the 12th from karakamsa and no planet > occupies it? > > Your sishya, > Narasimha > > > > ------ > @Backup - The #1 Online Backup Service. Protect your files before > you lose them. Easy, Reliable, Secure online backups. INSTALL > today. http://clickhere./click/938 > > HARI OM TAT SAT > Jaya Jagannatha Mahaprabhu > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 1999 Report Share Posted October 7, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Gauranga, That is RAMA & KRISHNA. Hence chant these names with any mantra and they will take the person in the PERFECT PATH. Is this your chart? Hare Krishna Sanjay Rath - Gauranga Das <gauranga Varahamihira <varahamihira > Thursday, October 07, 1999 11:12 PM Re: [ Brahmin by Birth?] > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dera Gurudeva, > > Pranaams. > > ---------- > > JAYA JAGANNATH > > Dear Gauranga, > > In answer to your question at the bottom: > > This is a specific combination for great spirituality. See the chart of > > Vivekananda. > > Hare Krishna > > Sanjay Rath > > Will the aspects of the Sun and Moon from the 7th to it add to this yoga, or decrease it? > > (once again: Navamsha Lagna in 12th from Karakamsha together with Ishta-devata) > > your shishya, > > Gauranga das > > > ------ > @Backup - The #1 Online Backup Service. Protect your files before > you lose them. Easy, Reliable, Secure online backups. INSTALL > today. http://clickhere./click/938 > > HARI OM TAT SAT > Jaya Jagannatha Mahaprabhu > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 1999 Report Share Posted October 7, 1999 Pranaam Sanjaya, > JAYA JAGANNATH > Dear Narasimha, > So what, that is the specific point concerned with Moksha and the > potential for this exists. In fact the second house from navamsa Lagna is > always a VITAL FOCUS in jyotish and in the situation you provide, this will > be karakamsa. > Read the last few chapters on USJM for more deatils on this where the > effects of each Lagnamsa rising have been explained. You know all this, but > I am just giving the connection for everybody. > Hare Krishna > Sanjay Rath Thank you for the answer. I asked because my navamsa has this combination. In my navamsa, lagna is Taurus. Gemini is occupied by atmakaraka Moon and lagna lord Venus. So 12th from karakamsa has lagna and 12th lord is in karakamsa. Jupiter and Mars from Sagittarius, Rahu from Pisces and Ketu from Virgo aspect Karakamsa. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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