Guest guest Posted September 19, 1999 Report Share Posted September 19, 1999 Dear Sarat Prabhu, Hare Krishna. Jaya Jagannath! Thank you very much for your reply. I want to clarify one thing about the Naisargika karakas. What is the significance of the fact that there are two Naisargika karaka planets signifiying the same thing - the natural significator per ce and the respective house lord (Like 5th lord and Jupiter for children)? You give nice examples - can you give some analogy here please. Related thing - yow then to understand for example of Moon being the 6th lord - that means that it siginifies mother and enimies at the same time. How does she manage to do both things at the same time. How these two functions will interfere with each other. All those questions are interrelated - I cannot coin them in one question. But I am sure you will understand what I mean. Your servant Yasomatinandana das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 1999 Report Share Posted September 20, 1999 Jai Jai Shri Jagannath Om Ganeshaya Namah Dear YND and Gauranga prabhujis, If I understand correctly, I think you are confusing and fixing yourself to the naisargik karakatwa of the planets. Please don't do so. Naisargik or natural karakatwa is the primary significance of the planet. Example: Jupiter being a Guru naturally is well disposed to towards Sishyas who, in the Gurukul system, are looked upon as children. Hence, he is naturally benevolent towards all affairs relating to children. But he is also the significator of Dhi shakti - intelligence. Hence, he signifies Dhi shakti also. While seeing the karakatwa of Jupiter, you have to keep at the back of your mind (as a background) the natural traits or karakatwas of Jupiter and then assimilate the readings of the charakarakas in relation to Jupiter, the 5th house, the house 5th from Jupiter, Jupiter's own placement from the 5th house and from Lagna etc. to assess a proper reading for the effects of 5th Lord, Jupiter and its effects on the 5th Lord, 5th house, etc. Likewise, each planet is to be studied with relation to its own natural karakatwa, its placement in the chart, its placement from the house of the said natural karakatwa and its relationship with the charakaraka planet. This will give a proper understanding of the effects in the chart. You had said Moon in 6th - will it indicate mother or enemies? Moon, in naisargik karakatwa, signifies mother. When you see this in the chart, it could mean: 1. service to elderly and mother like people; 2. difference of opinion with elderly mother like people; 3. disease to such people; etc. Now, all this would depend on the strength of Moon, its relation with charakarak of 4th, Moon's own charakarakatwa, Moon's placement from 4th house and vice versa, etc. This would give an appropriate reading of the significance of Moon in the 6th. The natural karakatwa is thus a basic parameter while the charakarakatwa is the secondary parameter which would modify the reading to such an extent. Hope you understand it. The learned one's (Sanjay ji and Narasimha ji - if you are reading this, may please correct me if I wrong.) Regards, Yours, Sarat. > " YND " <vedant >varahamihira ><varahamihira > > Naisargika Karakas >Sun, 19 Sep 1999 16:57:13 +0400 > >Dear Sarat Prabhu, >Hare Krishna. Jaya Jagannath! > >Thank you very much for your reply. I want to clarify one thing about the >Naisargika karakas. What is the significance of the fact that there are two >Naisargika karaka planets signifiying the same thing - the natural >significator per ce and the respective house lord (Like 5th lord and >Jupiter >for children)? You give nice examples - can you give some analogy here >please. Related thing - yow then to understand for example of Moon being >the >6th lord - that means that it siginifies mother and enimies at the same >time. How does she manage to do both things at the same time. How these two >functions will interfere with each other. > >All those questions are interrelated - I cannot coin them in one question. >But I am sure you will understand what I mean. > >Your servant >Yasomatinandana das > > >------ >250 FREE HOURS are waiting for you on AOL! >Try AOL *risk free* for 250 HOURS! >CLICK HERE http://clickhere./click/915 > > > >eGroups.com home: varahamihira > - Simplifying group communications > > > > ____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 1999 Report Share Posted September 20, 1999 Dear Gauranga, PAMHO AGTSP If you have a copy of COVA then you can see all the details. here are some extrats - in addition to yours >1. house: ? D-1, D-9 (but actually all divisions to some extent) >2. house: Hora (wealth) D-12 (parents) also D-9. Not sure about D-12 >3. house: Drekkana (D-3) >4. house: D-24 for knowledge, D-12 for mother, D-16 for vehicles D-4 for home and properties, D-16 for other vehicles, D-2 for wealth from real estate, D-40 for geood/evils from maternal relatives >5. house: Saptamsha (D-7) D-20 for upasana, D-9 for love and affection, D-10 and D-5 for power and authority, >6. house: D-6 for enimies, D11 - for obstacles >7. house: Navamsha (D-9) >8. house: D-30, D-11 for evils >9. house: D-20 for worship, and maybe D-9 also? D-12 for father D-45 for the faternal lineage, D-60 for karma from the past birth >10. house: D-10 for career D-5 for career also >11. house: D-4 for fortune? D-3 for postborns, D-11 for status in life >12. house: D-30 for misfortune? D-24 fo spiritual knowlege > >Yours, Gauranga das > > > > > > >------ > >eGroups.com home: varahamihira > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 1999 Report Share Posted September 20, 1999 Dear Sarat-ji, Hare Krishna. Jaya Jagannath. Thank you very much. A little more clear. One more thing, if you can. >This will give a proper understanding of the effects in the chart. You had >said Moon in 6th - will it indicate mother or enemies? I was wondering aboud somthing different - Moon BEING the 6th lord someplace else - not Moon in the 6th. I am trying to put together these two karakatwas. Can you shed some light on that please? kindest regards, Yasomatinandana das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 1999 Report Share Posted September 21, 1999 Jai Jai Shri jagannath Om Ganeshaya Namah Dear Yashomati ji & Gauranga ji, >I was wondering aboud somthing different - Moon BEING the 6th lord >someplace >else - not Moon in the 6th. I am trying to put together these two >karakatwas. Can you shed some light on that please? Why only Moon? Why not anyother planet in 6th? All planets have their own individual karakatwas (naisargika and sthira) and any of the nine planets could be the lord of the 6th. This does not alter its natural karakatwa. The naisargika karakatwa being a permanent factor as a backdrop, what you will see with this is its lordship of the 6th house. Any planet that owns the 6th house becomes the " Sashtadipati " and will, apart from the natural significations, give the results of the 6th house ownership. All inferences that you will draw from the 6th house i.e., short term diseases, trouble from enemies, enemy's strength and weakness, service etc., will have to read from the 6th house, 6th lord and its placement. In one of the earlier mails there was a discussion regarding Christians etc., & Rahu and Ketu. I would like to add something more to clarify further lest there are any misconceptions. The deity lordships for each planet is very well defined in Vedic Astrology as the great Maharishis had done yomen service to mankind by meticulous notations, observations and their divine knowledge. However, this is missing in the western astrology and other forms/branches. The deity lordship for each planet in Christianity, Islam etc., is yet to be clearly defined. I wish that somebody did that very soon. However, the point is, how would you relate these planets, deities and the concerned religion is to be followed by extending similar attributions for planets as in vedic astrology. For example, Moon represents Goddess Gauri/Parvati. She could aslo symbolize Lakshmi or Saraswati depending on which form do you want to see the mother. Likewise, Moon could be related to Mother Mary in Christianity. Jupiter could symbolize Jesus Christ as he too was peace loving. Sun symbolizes temples, it could symbolize Churches. The extension of the attributes could be done in similar manner. Sanjay ji and also Narasimha Rao ji have rightly said that Rahu symbolizes either a different religion (foreign) or no religion at all (i.e., lack of faith in religion). Truly, Rahu, for an Indian could mean foreign culture, place etc., like the US, UK or simply any other country, while for a person in US it could mean the other way round - it could be UK, India etc. It is to be inferred in this manner. Hope I am a little more clearer now. Regards, Yours, Sarat. > " YND " <vedant >varahamihira ><varahamihira > > Re: Naisargika Karakas >Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:58:37 +0400 > >Dear Sarat-ji, >Hare Krishna. Jaya Jagannath. > >Thank you very much. A little more clear. One more thing, if you can. > > > >This will give a proper understanding of the effects in the chart. You >had > >said Moon in 6th - will it indicate mother or enemies? > >I was wondering aboud somthing different - Moon BEING the 6th lord >someplace >else - not Moon in the 6th. I am trying to put together these two >karakatwas. Can you shed some light on that please? > >kindest regards, >Yasomatinandana das > > >------ > >eGroups.com home: varahamihira > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > ____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 1999 Report Share Posted September 21, 1999 Dear Gauranga, PAMHO AGTSP >> If you have a copy of COVA then you can see all the details. here are some >> extrats - in addition to yours > >I'm sorry I don't have it yet, but I will try to procure somehow. Why not ask some devotees going to India for Kartik to get it from Sagar. Both books cost Rs 500 - about $15. His address is 72, Janpath Ved Mansion, new Delhi -110001, Tel 3320648, 3328245 >> >1. house: ? >> D-1, D-9 (but actually all divisions to some extent) > >D-1 is the Rasi chart, isn't it? Yes >D-2 means Hora? My Jyotish programs calculate it only on the basis of Solar and Lunar halves. Yes, and you don't need anything else. >My software doesn't calculate D-5, D-6, and D-11. I won't know this unless I calculate by hand. I know Parashara Light calculates them. ys ynd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 1999 Report Share Posted September 21, 1999 Dear Sarat, Hare Krishna. Jaya Jagannath Thank you for taking patience to explain. It cleared up now. Kindest regards. Yasomatinandana das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 1999 Report Share Posted September 21, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Gauranga and others, Some small additions. I think that over a period of time there has been some change in understanding of the BPHS and some of the words used therein. For example in Chaturthamsa, the term used is BHAGYA which is derived from the term BHAGA or SHARE. Normally in the days of yore it referred to the share of cattle and land that a person got. Hence Chaturthamsa is used for Properties and not for " fortune " in the sence of good luck etc.. Secondly, Siddhamsa (D-24) is used for all VIDYA and SIDDHI both Paara and Apaara Vidya. Thus it is for all knowledge. Hare Rama Krishna Sanjay Rath - Gauranga Das <gauranga Varahamihira <varahamihira > Tuesday, September 21, 1999 11:13 PM Re: Naisargika Karakas > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear Sanjay Prabhu, Yasomati and others, > > Pranams. > > ---------- > > Dear Gauranga, > > PAMHO AGTSP > > > > If you have a copy of COVA then you can see all the details. here are some > > extrats - in addition to yours > > I'm sorry I don't have it yet, but I will try to procure somehow. > > > > > >1. house: ? > > D-1, D-9 (but actually all divisions to some extent) > > D-1 is the Rasi chart, isn't it? > > > > > > > >2. house: Hora (wealth) D-12 (parents) > > also D-9. Not sure about D-12 > > > > > > >3. house: Drekkana (D-3) > > >4. house: D-24 for knowledge, D-12 for mother, D-16 for vehicles > > > > D-4 for home and properties, D-16 for other vehicles, D-2 for wealth from > > real estate, D-40 for geood/evils from maternal relatives > > D-2 means Hora? My Jyotish programs calculate it only on the basis of Solar and Lunar halves. > > > > >5. house: Saptamsha (D-7) > > > > D-20 for upasana, D-9 for love and affection, D-10 and D-5 for power and > > authority, > > >6. house: > > D-6 for enimies, D11 - for obstacles > > > >7. house: Navamsha (D-9) > > >8. house: > > D-30, D-11 for evils > > >9. house: D-20 for worship, and maybe D-9 also? D-12 for father > > My software doesn't calculate D-5, D-6, and D-11. I won't know this unless I calculate by hand. > > > > > D-45 for the faternal lineage, D-60 for karma from the past birth > > >10. house: D-10 for career > > D-5 for career also > > >11. house: D-4 for fortune? > > D-3 for postborns, D-11 for status in life > > >12. house: D-30 for misfortune? > > > > D-24 fo spiritual knowlege > > Thank you for the additions. > > Yours, Gauranga das > > > ------ > @Backup - The #1 Online Backup Service. Protect your files before > you lose them. Easy, Reliable, Secure online backups. INSTALL > today. http://clickhere./click/938 > > > eGroups.com home: varahamihira > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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