[Jagannath] LACK OF TRUST

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Jaya Jagannath

Dear Dina-Nath Prabhu,

There are different Niti (literally Niti means codes of conduct or

behaviour) Shastra and the best Niti has been outlined in the Rig Veda

samhita that is followed by the Pure ones. This has also been codified by

Katyayen (you can call this Brihaspati Niti). Chanakya Niti is commonly

called Kutil Niti or the " Shrewd/Smart Man's behaviour " and is applicable

only to " Raj Niti " or Politics. Chanakya is not wrong in that he advises the

king to beware of women and politicians and in here he refers to the women

coming into politics, directly or indirectly as being untrustworthy.

However, in this place, we use Katyayen Niti and Women are to be

respected and educated women should be married and given a respectable place

and their offspring will also be learned and this will only result in the

spreading of knowledge (reference is to Saraswati). Thus, the Rig veda

encouraged the education of women.

India fell into dark ages only because it stopped practising the Niti

given in the Veda and followed Chanakya Niti. I clarify that the latter is

only for politics.

Om Tat Sat

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

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Dina-natha Das <vmihira

<varahamihira (AT) eGroups (DOT) com>

Saturday, February 19, 2000 11:01 PM

[Jagannath] Re: LACK OF TRUST

 

 

> Jaya Jagannatha.

>

> Dear Sanjayji,

>

> > I apologise on behalf of Narasimha.

>

> Actually it was me who wrote that " politicians or women are not to be

> trusted " . I don't know if Narasimha also wrote that somewhere.

>

> > This is very wrong. The Rig Veda is

> > full of praise for such illustrious Devi's Who have made this world a

> good

> > place. Be it Usha Who wakes us early to meditate and pray for Shanti

> , be it

> > Durga who removes all evils (Vi Devi vi dwisha...Rig Veda -Durga

> Gayatri),

> > be it the Mother India in the form of Bharati or Saraswati or in any

> form.

> > The Divine mother is most respectable. Kindly accept my humble

> apologies.

>

> I am sorry but I don't understand how person like Chanakya Pandit can

> be wrong? That is his statement from Chanakya Niti Shastra. Also I

> don't think that he was reffering to Devi or Sarasvati, but to woman in

> general living on this planet.

>

> Regarding Perls comment:

>

> > Needless to say I find the comment offensive and unworthy of a place

> in what

> > has become for me such a nourishing space. I realise that such a

> remark is

> > pure

> > Tamas but am disappointed that this learning/discussion group, which

> > encourages

> > higher thinking, would ignore such a comment coming from what I

> presume to

> > be

> > a potential Astrologer. As a woman I certainly hope I never have

> cause to

> > consult

> > an individual who would hold such a view.

>

> I am sorry that you feel offended and that you think that this

> statement is product of tamas. Well, it is coming from a person who was

> one of the purest brahmanas and embodiment of Vedic knowledge. It is

> Chanakya Pandit who after studying Vedas and other Vedic scriptures

> wrote his famous work known as Chanakya Niti Shastra. Srila Prabhupada

> very often quoted this statment which recently sparked big discussion

> in ISKCON to that degree that some members of the female sex want to

> change Srila Prabhupada's books and are trying to say that he was

> wrong. It requires some degree of spiritual intelligence to understand

> this point. However there are also examples of many female Vaishnavis

> who used to be leaders of many man and recent famous example is Janava

> Devi, wife of Lord Nityananda. After Nityananda Prabhu finished his

> lila on this planet all his followers singlehearthedly elected his wife

> to be their leader. The point here that she as his wife didn't demand

> the respect of other, but rather by her spiritual purity and spiritual

> energy that came naturally. So if we (men or woman) artificially on the

> basis of external symptoms are demading equality it will not work. Man

> and woman are not the same and they will never be. When Srila

> Prabhupada was challenged on this issue by normal materialistc people

> who were blaming him that he is against woman and equiality between man

> and woman, Srila Prabhupada simply replied: " Then tell them (to the

> woman) to beget a child in a womb of their husband " . It may sound like

> a sexist statement, but it is a fact. It showes that female body is

> made for certain purpose and male body is also made for certain

> purpose, they have certain roles in this creation and they will never

> be the same.

>

> > >From an Astrology point of view I feel this is another example of

> Mars

> > helping to

> > light the fire of purification on old thinking which needs to be

> cleansed

> > before

> > the ignition of a new era when he moves into Aries.

>

> If you think that this is old thinking that needs to purified than

> please don't study Jyotish, Jyotish is Vedanga (one of limbs of the

> Vedas) and while studying Jyotish you may also find some statements

> that you may think that should be purified, rather than taking them

> with confidence from Guru and Shastra and in that way you may want to

> invent your own Jyotish that is modern and advanced in some views. That

> would be biggest disservice to Jyotish and your Guru that you could

> possibly do.

>

> There are also many more statements in the Vedas which are leading to

> the same point on equality between man and woman. For example in

> Varnashrama system (traditional Vedic system of life) independece is

> never given to a woman. In her youth she is under care of her father,

> after marriage she is under care of her husbansd and if husband dies

> before her, than she is under care of her children. This are the

> statments of the Vedas that are coming from Maha Vishnu Himself and

> acaryas like Chanakya Pandit, Srila Prabhupada and others are just

> reffering to them. All the injuctions of the scriptures are meant to

> protect us and take us back to spiritual world where we originally

> belong.

>

> The only level on which we are all the same is spiritual level and only

> with spiritual vision and spiritual knowledge we can see that. In

> Bhagavad Gita whole 2nd chapter talks about the soul and the nature of

> the soul and that is the only level on which all of us not only man and

> woman but animals, plants and all other living enteties are all equal.

> On material level we are always different and we'll remain to be

> different.

>

> In your next life you may be born as a man and fight for the rights of

> the man just like now you are fighting for the rights of the woman.

> Don't you think that it makes any sense at all? These are all tricks of

> Maya that is trying to divert us from our real business and if we

> manage to get over it than everything in life will become very easy.

>

> I am sorry if you still feel offended, I am simply reffering to previos

> Gurus and Shastra. If they are wrong than I am wrong too.

>

> Hare Krishna,

> Dina-natha Das.

>

> P.S. Sorry for the typos, I typed this letter on-line.

>

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