Guest guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Utpal, Namaste I like your analogy. Thank you for your good wishes. Happy Dussera Love, Swee sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of utpal pathak Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:03 AM sohamsa Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji Dear Sourav, I thank you very much for your suggetion of reading Sanjayji's article on AK ONCE MORE. First of all let me clear myself. i have given a view point for Rahu as AK & associated spirituality with it. second of all, pl. don't jump upon the word 'Running Away'. it was used in a lighter vain. many things which you mentioned in your responses are true & i wan not Unaware of those. > Don't use retrograde and direct motion for seeing who > is more spiritually advanced. No one can move in the opposite order > to the Sun's direction and produce better effect. > No Stand Alone situation is Fatalistic in Jyotisha & same stands for Rahu as AK & Spirituality. I am not Trying to Prove a point here that Retrograde Must be connected to spirituality. i am just considering one point as to why Rahu as AK is said to be having Potential for Spirituality. In reality which Graha with Pinda can move in Opposite Direction to Sun? I am respectfully disagree completely about your statement of Planets moving opp. order to Sun & can not produce better effect. with this you seems to be Totally Underestimating Vakri Graha & their Power. you are already aware that Vakri Graha Mars, Saturn & Guru are having FULL RAYS when Retrograde. Now I'll give a example of Thakur Shri RamKrishana & Shri Rama Narayana. They Both have 3 plantes Retrograde namely Mercury, Saturn & Jupiter. It is not right to Say that those 3 grahas have NOT produced better effects even if they are in opposite order to Sun. infact i tend to feel that those retro planets are major contributor in their highly spiritual nature. if you deeply peep in to Shri RamKrsihna's Chart you will see that Mercury,Saturn & Ju are Retro & Placed in Dharma Trikona i.e 1st,9th & 5th respectively. being Retro they seems to be Going from Dharma Trikona to Mokasha Trikona. > [sourav]: How does that explain Ra AK person being cheats ? Frankly speaking i am yet to come across a Chart of a Cheat having Rahu as AK. If you have that pl. send it to me. as already made clear, No standalone Phenominan is deterministic and that's applicable for Rahu as AK & Spirituality. if Rahu is AK & other combination doesn't support spiritual progress, what Rahu can do?. to put it Other way, Rahu is not the sole authority but one of the many Prominent Combination which can lead jatak to highest purpose of life. My idea is to find what Makes Rahu as AK and Spiritual PTENTIAL? 2 thoughts came to my mind & i am not afraid to put it before the list even if those seems like the thoughts of 'Shaikh Chilli' or 'Mohd. Tughlakh' 1) I already described in my original mail 2) AK is representaive of Identity. Identity is basically attached with Body/Shareera. except Rahu, all the Char Karka Graha has Shareera (Pinda). Rahu Doesn't have any Pinda. as the famouse sanskrit quote goes 'Yat Pinde Tad Brahmande' the reverse also is true i.e Yat Brahmande Tad Pinde. Rahu Doesn't have Pinda and hence as AK, it doesn't Support IDENTITY. Sourav Bhai ! I many times remember you as i have put the 'Dancing Ganesha' on my desktop which you had sent to the list. I also wish to Pranaam with Matrubhava to Lakshmi,Sarbani,Kanupriya, Swee and all the Nari-Shakti. Pranaam Matas. Ya devi Sarva Bhuteshu MATRU Rupen Samsthita Namastasye Namastasye Namo Namh Let Lord Rama with his Ramban destroys our worst enemies within and i pray him to start it from me. Happy Navratri & Dashera to all Jai mataji utpal sohamsa , " Sourav Chowdhury " <souravc108> wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Utpal, > Namaskar. Comments below. And do read Sanjay-ji's Atmakaraka > Articles once more. http://www.srath.com/lectures/ak01.htm > Best regards, > > Sourav > ====================================================== > sohamsa , Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> > wrote: > > > > Namaste Jyotisha Mitras, > > > > A View before all of you-- > > > > 12th from AK (In D9) is Ishta which is a destroyer of Ahamkara > (Self Identity, Ego). > > [sourav]: The 12-th sign from Karakaamsa is used for determining > Ishta devata. If that place is empty then we can use the lord and > the grahas the lord associates. The aspects to this 12th sign can > also influence the choice of Ishta devata. > > > > > Now for Planets other than Rahu, are most of the times in forward > Motions, hence they are actually Running AWAY from Ishta. Ishta is > behind AK to catch him for good thus there is competetion which is > going on between Ishta & AK (Other Than Rahu). > > [sourav]: It is not about running away. If it was then how do you > differentiate between Sa and Ju as AK's, both direct? No one is > running away from Ishta. If we do not have the knowledge of who > Ishta is, we are not running away. And once we have the knowledge > (which includes understanding) I can't imagine why we will run away > from someone who wants to bestow supreme blessings on us. > > Suppose Ra represents Ishtam for a Me as AK person and Ra is placed > 3rd from Me, then if Me is in direct motion, both are moving towards > each other making Me AK person as much spiritually advanced as Ra > even without being retrograde? Similarly, in the above case if Ra is > located 12th from retrograde Me, are we to say that that Me AK > person is moving towards Ishtam and Ishtam is running away ? > Certainly not. Don't use retrograde and direct motion for seeing who > is more spiritually advanced. No one can move in the opposite order > to the Sun's direction and produce better effect. > > > in the case of Rahu the senario is reverse. Rahu is moving towards > Ishta as if to hasten their union. Rahu as AK goes forward in the > direction of Ishta to embrace and Thus in general, natives with Rahu > as AK are relatively More evolved spiritually as Rahu as AK seems > to be more co-operative in the mission of Ishta and the same analogy > can be extended to RETRO Plantes as AK. > > [sourav]: How does that explain Ra AK person being cheats ? > > > ================================================================= > > > Jai Mata ji > > > > utpal > > > > > > Sourav Chowdhury <souravc108> wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Swee-ji, > > Namaskar. I was thinking further about Ra as AK. This > > is what I found: when we are talking about AK, we are not talking > > about ordinary material level existences. AK is the karaka or the > > representative of the jivatman. Hence, no matter what graha > happens > > to represent Atman, it will never try to go against the direction > of > > the Sun (which is the zodiacal direction) because jivatman is a > part > > of Vishwatman represented by the Sun. Hence there cannot be any > > reversal. This Ra as AK should not be treated as Ra in the > ordinary > > sense. From the existential or material standpoint, Ra wants to go > > against the Sun, but from the stand point of the soul, AK is part > > and parcel of the Sun himself. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sourav > > > ==================================================================== > > > > sohamsa , " Swee Chan " <swee@c...> wrote: > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear SuryaViswanadham, > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Rahu is always retrograde, why should the delineation of the > > Istha NOT be > > > an exception? > > > > > > Can you point me to the precise quote from Jaimini? I would > > appreciate it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Swee > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] > On > > Behalf Of > > > Viswanadham > > > Sunday, October 09, 2005 11:04 AM > > > sohamsa > > > Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Swee, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > if i may.....!! > > > > > > > > > > > > For someone who walks backwards, Sakshi Gopala is still behind > him > > only. i > > > think, it is 12th from Karakamsa, Zodiacally! > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > viswanadham > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/9/05, Swee Chan <swee@c...> wrote: > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjay ji, > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > I might have missed this query before. For ascertaining the > Istha > > Devata > > > from Rahu as AK, do we look at the 12th or the 2nd from > Karakamsa? > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Swee > > > > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Visit your group " sohamsa > > <sohamsa> " > > > on the web. > > > > > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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