Guest guest Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Utpal, Namaskar I have an argument against the cases you presented. In the first two cases, the focus is on the fifth house and children. In both cases Jupiter is well placed from the fifth house, thus the life of the children cannot be damaged by the malefic yoga in the fifth house. Instead you would expect bone and ego problems (sun afflicted by rahu), among the children. In the third case, which is regarding marriage, you inferred that the malefics didn’t hurt the marriage. But usually this would hurt the health of the spouse, whereas the eighth house is the actual cause of the separation in marriages. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Utpal Pathak 04 November 2005 11:37 sohamsa ; vedic astrology " Parivartana " - one Observation Dear Members, I wanted to share few observations & Analogy related to “Parivartana” events in Rashi Chart. Everybody knows about the general definition of Parivartana which is an exchange of any 2 House lorsd (Exchange of 2 Rashi lords). I have been told by my father that there was a system in marriage which was in existence many many decades ago (It was there in some communities till few years back). The system was called as Sata/Satu/Hata. Literally an exchange. In that arrangement, exchanges of Girl was done between 2 families meaning if a boy is getting married to a Girl then that Girl’s Brother used to get married with the said Boy’s sister. In all probability, that arrangement was a “strong Safeguard” against any Ill treatment to any of the Girls in above described arrangement. Due to that, in some cases, In-laws were forced to show the restraint in their ill behavior towards their daughter-in-law, lest their own daughter get punished without any fault of her. Why I have narrated the above story? Because the above story has a good base to understand the unique point which has been observed while judging the behavior. It has been seen that Exchange of the lord of 2 houses actually protect the houses in which they are placed, either willingly or forcefully. Not going in to further elaboration, I am giving 3 good examples to support the above view. 1) A male Native: - 30.11.1956, 2.00 am, India, 73e43, 23n50 If you see the above chart, it is really baffling. When I saw it first time, I was dumbfounded. Lagna & Moon Lagna are same. 5th house is litterely destroyed by placement of First rate Malefic Saturn & Rahu & 5th lord Mars is placed in 8th. Putrakarka Jupiter is aspected by Saturn. Only one favourable point is that 5th from Jupiter is aspected by Jupiter Himself & that’s his own house. n The person doesn’t lack intelligence & his all three children (2 girls & one Son) are healthy & normal and without any abnormality/deficiency In my opinion, the only thing which has saved his 5th house portfolio from the dreaded Shrapit yoga & placement of 5th lord in 8th is “Parivartana” between Mars & Saturn. Here as if Saturn & Rahu are warned by Retro Mars that beware, if you will do any mischief in my house, I’ll destroy your house J) 2) A male Native: - 5.6.1966, 22.56.07, Bombay, 72e50,19n15 In this chart, 5th house has Rahu, Sun & Mars. The Native is a Civil Engineer & well to do. Most importantly he is blessed with a Daughter & a Son. Both are healthy except that Son has some complication in back bone which has not hampered his progress. n The Native has Exchange of Mars & Venus (5th & 4th lords resp.) 3) a male native – 26.1.1946, 4.20, India, 19n57, 79 e18 Dhanu Lagna Native has one of the worst possible combination of Rahu, MarS (Retro), Saturn (Retro) in 7th house. 7th lord from moon is in 8th from mon lagna with Satrun & Mars. Karka of Spouse/Marriage i.e Venus is with Sun & aspected by Mars which is again carrying malefic effects of Saturn & rahu. Now what has saved the marriage for appx. 3 decades.? n 7th lord Mercury is in Parivartana with 2nd lord Saturn More Practical charts can be provided but I thought that the above 3 examples are better one for illustrating the effects of “Parivartana” between lord of houses. There can be some arguments that in 1 & 2 nd example, The planets in 5th are involved in Rajyoga. In 1st example, rahu in Trikona with Kendra Lord can be said to give Rajyoga and in 2 nd example there are 2 Rajyogas i.e exchange of Kendra & Trikona lord and Rahu in Trine with Kendra lord mars. Even Dasha period also may have a say. I haven’t discussed about Char Karka & other respective divisional charts because the fact that the subject is on the effects of exchange. notwithstanding above counter arguments, I still have a strong feeling that “Parivartana” has a major say in the above charts which has really saved the native from the calamities of respective aspects of life. I would sincerely hope that above observation will help some astrologers to see the “Parivartana” concept in a yet another angle & test it for its worth. “Sarve Bhavantu Sukhinah” I enjoyed your company..truely !! Best regards Utpal Pathak Ps: with this, I am taking your leave from the discussions as I have decided to move away from so much loved subject i.e. astrology & this may be the first important step in that direction. I am Unsubscribing from the list. FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 om namo bhagavate vasudevayaDear Utpal I made the chart for the Male Native at 1 and found the chart being totally different from what you are saying - Utpal Pathak - Male Native 1 Natal Chart November 30, 1956Time: 2:00:00 amTime Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 73 E 43' 00", 23 N 50' 00" Dungarpur, IndiaAltitude: 0.00 meters Lunar Yr-Mo: Durmukha - KarthikaTithi: Krishna Trayodasi (Ju) (45.24% left)Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju)Nakshatra: Swaati (Ra) (37.97% left)Yoga: Sobhana (Su) (55.23% left)Karana: Vanija (Ve) (90.47% left)Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Ta)Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Sc)Kaala Lord: Jupiter (Mahakala: Mercury) Sunrise: 6:59:33 am (November 29)Sunset: 5:46:42 pm (November 29)Janma Ghatis: 47.5188 Ayanamsa: 23-15-33.62Sidereal Time: 5:59:39 Other comments given below yours - With best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay Rath* * *Sri Jagannath Center®15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, Indiahttp://srath.com, +91-11-25717162* * * - Visti Larsen sohamsa Saturday, November 05, 2005 11:52 PM RE: "Parivartana" - one Observation ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Utpal, Namaskar I have an argument against the cases you presented. In the first two cases, the focus is on the fifth house and children. In both cases Jupiter is well placed from the fifth house, thus the life of the children cannot be damaged by the malefic yoga in the fifth house. Instead you would expect bone and ego problems (sun afflicted by rahu), among the children. In the third case, which is regarding marriage, you inferred that the malefics didn’t hurt the marriage. But usually this would hurt the health of the spouse, whereas the eighth house is the actual cause of the separation in marriages. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Utpal Pathak04 November 2005 11:37sohamsa ; vedic astrology Subject: "Parivartana" - one Observation Dear Members, I wanted to share few observations & Analogy related to “Parivartana” events in Rashi Chart. Everybody knows about the general definition of Parivartana which is an exchange of any 2 House lorsd (Exchange of 2 Rashi lords). I have been told by my father that there was a system in marriage which was in existence many many decades ago (It was there in some communities till few years back). The system was called as Sata/Satu/Hata. Literally an exchange. In that arrangement, exchanges of Girl was done between 2 families meaning if a boy is getting married to a Girl then that Girl’s Brother used to get married with the said Boy’s sister. In all probability, that arrangement was a “strong Safeguard” against any Ill treatment to any of the Girls in above described arrangement. Due to that, in some cases, In-laws were forced to show the restraint in their ill behavior towards their daughter-in-law, lest their own daughter get punished without any fault of her. Why I have narrated the above story? Because the above story has a good base to understand the unique point which has been observed while judging the behavior. It has been seen that Exchange of the lord of 2 houses actually protect the houses in which they are placed, either willingly or forcefully. Not going in to further elaboration, I am giving 3 good examples to support the above view. 1) A male Native: - 30.11.1956, 2.00 am, India, 73e43, 23n50 If you see the above chart, it is really baffling. When I saw it first time, I was dumbfounded. Lagna & Moon Lagna are same. 5th house is litterely destroyed by placement of First rate Malefic Saturn & Rahu & 5th lord Mars is placed in 8th. Putrakarka Jupiter is aspected by Saturn. Only one favourable point is that 5th from Jupiter is aspected by Jupiter Himself & that’s his own house. n The person doesn’t lack intelligence & his all three children (2 girls & one Son) are healthy & normal and without any abnormality/deficiency In my opinion, the only thing which has saved his 5th house portfolio from the dreaded Shrapit yoga & placement of 5th lord in 8th is “Parivartana” between Mars & Saturn. Here as if Saturn & Rahu are warned by Retro Mars that beware, if you will do any mischief in my house, I’ll destroy your house J) Rath: The Lagna is Kanya with Guru in Lagna and naturally such a person is blessed with great intelligence nad good children. I think you need to check the time of this chart and get back to us. 2) A male Native: - 5.6.1966, 22.56.07, Bombay, 72e50,19n15 In this chart, 5th house has Rahu, Sun & Mars. The Native is a Civil Engineer & well to do. Most importantly he is blessed with a Daughter & a Son. Both are healthy except that Son has some complication in back bone which has not hampered his progress. n The Native has Exchange of Mars & Venus (5th & 4th lords resp.) 3) a male native – 26.1.1946, 4.20, India, 19n57, 79 e18 Dhanu Lagna Native has one of the worst possible combination of Rahu, MarS (Retro), Saturn (Retro) in 7th house. 7th lord from moon is in 8th from mon lagna with Satrun & Mars. Karka of Spouse/Marriage i.e Venus is with Sun & aspected by Mars which is again carrying malefic effects of Saturn & rahu. Now what has saved the marriage for appx. 3 decades.? n 7th lord Mercury is in Parivartana with 2nd lord Saturn More Practical charts can be provided but I thought that the above 3 examples are better one for illustrating the effects of “Parivartana” between lord of houses. There can be some arguments that in 1 & 2 nd example, The planets in 5th are involved in Rajyoga. In 1st example, rahu in Trikona with Kendra Lord can be said to give Rajyoga and in 2 nd example there are 2 Rajyogas i.e exchange of Kendra & Trikona lord and Rahu in Trine with Kendra lord mars. Even Dasha period also may have a say. I haven’t discussed about Char Karka & other respective divisional charts because the fact that the subject is on the effects of exchange. notwithstanding above counter arguments, I still have a strong feeling that “Parivartana” has a major say in the above charts which has really saved the native from the calamities of respective aspects of life. I would sincerely hope that above observation will help some astrologers to see the “Parivartana” concept in a yet another angle & test it for its worth. “Sarve Bhavantu Sukhinah” I enjoyed your company..truely !! Best regards Utpal Pathak Ps: with this, I am taking your leave from the discussions as I have decided to move away from so much loved subject i.e. astrology & this may be the first important step in that direction. I am Unsubscribing from the list. FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Dear Respected Guruji, I am an big example of Parivartan yoga involving the 5th house , and the first house , I can tell u my experence and my information of this parivartan, which might help all of us to understand this yoga. I am also curious about this yoga , as Uttpal ji ,has written that exchange taking place in 5th house causes a raj yoga , i would love to get some more knownledge and insight this yoga to understand this. 10TH MARCH 1974 06:30am (Moring) bombay pls sir if u dont mind can u throw some light thanking you Regards Prashant sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya > Dear Utpal > I made the chart for the Male Native at 1 and found the chart being totally different from what you are saying - > Utpal Pathak - Male Native 1 > > Natal Chart > > November 30, 1956 > Time: 2:00:00 am > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 73 E 43' 00 " , 23 N 50' 00 " > Dungarpur, India > Altitude: 0.00 meters > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Durmukha - Karthika > Tithi: Krishna Trayodasi (Ju) (45.24% left) > Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju) > Nakshatra: Swaati (Ra) (37.97% left) > Yoga: Sobhana (Su) (55.23% left) > Karana: Vanija (Ve) (90.47% left) > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Ta) > Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Sc) > Kaala Lord: Jupiter (Mahakala: Mercury) > > Sunrise: 6:59:33 am (November 29) > Sunset: 5:46:42 pm (November 29) > Janma Ghatis: 47.5188 > > Ayanamsa: 23-15-33.62 > Sidereal Time: 5:59:39 > Other comments given below yours - > > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath Center® > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > * * * > - > Visti Larsen > sohamsa > Saturday, November 05, 2005 11:52 PM > RE: " Parivartana " - one Observation > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Utpal, Namaskar > > I have an argument against the cases you presented. > > In the first two cases, the focus is on the fifth house and children. In both cases Jupiter is well placed from the fifth house, thus the life of the children cannot be damaged by the malefic yoga in the fifth house. Instead you would expect bone and ego problems (sun afflicted by rahu), among the children. > > > > In the third case, which is regarding marriage, you inferred that the malefics didn't hurt the marriage. But usually this would hurt the health of the spouse, whereas the eighth house is the actual cause of the separation in marriages. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > > - ------------- > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Utpal Pathak > 04 November 2005 11:37 > sohamsa ; vedic astrology > " Parivartana " - one Observation > > > > Dear Members, > > > > I wanted to share few observations & Analogy related to " Parivartana " events in Rashi Chart. > > > > Everybody knows about the general definition of Parivartana which is an exchange of any 2 House lorsd (Exchange of 2 Rashi lords). > > > > I have been told by my father that there was a system in marriage which was in existence many many decades ago (It was there in some communities till few years back). The system was called as Sata/Satu/Hata. Literally an exchange. In that arrangement, exchanges of Girl was done between 2 families meaning if a boy is getting married to a Girl then that Girl's Brother used to get married with the said Boy's sister. > > In all probability, that arrangement was a " strong Safeguard " against any Ill treatment to any of the Girls in above described arrangement. Due to that, in some cases, In-laws were forced to show the restraint in their ill behavior towards their daughter-in-law, lest their own daughter get punished without any fault of her. > > > > Why I have narrated the above story? Because the above story has a good base to understand the unique point which has been observed while judging the behavior. It has been seen that Exchange of the lord of 2 houses actually protect the houses in which they are placed, either willingly or forcefully. > > > > Not going in to further elaboration, I am giving 3 good examples to support the above view. > > > > 1) A male Native: - 30.11.1956, 2.00 am, India, 73e43, 23n50 > > > > If you see the above chart, it is really baffling. When I saw it first time, I was dumbfounded. Lagna & Moon Lagna are same. 5th house is litterely destroyed by placement of First rate Malefic Saturn & Rahu & 5th lord Mars is placed in 8th. Putrakarka Jupiter is aspected by Saturn. Only one favourable point is that 5th from Jupiter is aspected by Jupiter Himself & that's his own house. > > > > n The person doesn't lack intelligence & his all three children (2 girls & one Son) are healthy & normal and without any abnormality/deficiency > > > > In my opinion, the only thing which has saved his 5th house portfolio from the dreaded Shrapit yoga & placement of 5th lord in 8th is " Parivartana " between Mars & Saturn. Here as if Saturn & Rahu are warned by Retro Mars that beware, if you will do any mischief in my house, I'll destroy your house J) > > Rath: The Lagna is Kanya with Guru in Lagna and naturally such a person is blessed with great intelligence nad good children. I think you need to check the time of this chart and get back to us. > > > > 2) A male Native: - 5.6.1966, 22.56.07, Bombay, 72e50,19n15 > > > > In this chart, 5th house has Rahu, Sun & Mars. The Native is a Civil Engineer & well to do. Most importantly he is blessed with a Daughter & a Son. Both are healthy except that Son has some complication in back bone which has not hampered his progress. > > > > n The Native has Exchange of Mars & Venus (5th & 4th lords resp.) > > > > > > 3) a male native - 26.1.1946, 4.20, India, 19n57, 79 e18 > > > > Dhanu Lagna Native has one of the worst possible combination of Rahu, MarS (Retro), Saturn (Retro) in 7th house. 7th lord from moon is in 8th from mon lagna with Satrun & Mars. Karka of Spouse/Marriage i.e Venus is with Sun & aspected by Mars which is again carrying malefic effects of Saturn & rahu. > > > > Now what has saved the marriage for appx. 3 decades.? > > > > n 7th lord Mercury is in Parivartana with 2nd lord Saturn > > > > > > More Practical charts can be provided but I thought that the above 3 examples are better one for illustrating the effects of " Parivartana " between lord of houses. > > > > There can be some arguments that in 1 & 2 nd example, The planets in 5th are involved in Rajyoga. In 1st example, rahu in Trikona with Kendra Lord can be said to give Rajyoga and in 2 nd example there are 2 Rajyogas i.e exchange of Kendra & Trikona lord and Rahu in Trine with Kendra lord mars. > > Even Dasha period also may have a say. I haven't discussed about Char Karka & other respective divisional charts because the fact that the subject is on the effects of exchange. > > > > notwithstanding above counter arguments, I still have a strong feeling that " Parivartana " has a major say in the above charts which has really saved the native from the calamities of respective aspects of life. > > > > > > I would sincerely hope that above observation will help some astrologers to see the " Parivartana " concept in a yet another angle & test it for its worth. > > > > " Sarve Bhavantu Sukhinah " > > > > I enjoyed your company..truely !! > > > > Best regards > > > > Utpal Pathak > > Ps: with this, I am taking your leave from the discussions as I have decided to move away from so much loved subject i.e. astrology & this may be the first important step in that direction. 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