[Jagannath] Why are you all sleeping?

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Krishnam Vande Jagadgurum

Pranaam Sanjay,

 

You told us to stop this thread. But please allow me to

make a couple of points. I will be as brief as I can and

touch as many issues as I can.

 

Your sishya,

Narasimha

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Namaste Dina-natha,

 

(1) Irrespective of how you read it and understood it,

4.2 in Gita relates to karmaakarma vikarma vichakshana

yoga. It deals with the supreme science of distinction

between action, lack of action and unattached action.

This is a very important subject, because action runs

this universe. Krishna talked about knowledge of that as

it was passed on to Vivasvan, Manu etc.

 

Otherwise, why did he specifically mention " raajarshis " ?

 

He did not talk about knowledge of all Veda and Vedanga.

He only talked about karmaakarma vikarma jnana - which

is vitally important to everyone and esp raajarshis.

 

(2) The interpretation based on 4.2 saying that any

parampara must start from god is only an interpretation.

Sri Krishna did not say it.

 

Even knowledge passed by Him in a parampara got broken

in time. Srila wrote that it happened because of breaks

in succession. He may have written thus to simplify the

matter, but Krishna did not mention any break in the

succession. He only said that the knowledge passed by

him in paramapara " eroded in time " .

 

Knowledge can erode even in a " bona fide " succession

starting from God or an avatar, due to the limited

intelligence of human beings. What the teacher has in

mind when saying something can be significantly

different from what the student understood.

 

So the obsession to prove that one's parampara started

in God is pointless. It doesn't matter.

 

(3) So I suggest that [other] SJVC members should not

worry about this parampara being " bogus " or " from God " .

 

Based on our Karma, Maha Vishnu gives us a Teacher we

deserve. We should respect him as God. After all, Guru

is one's Brahma, Vishnu and Maheswara. Searching for the

start of the succession in God, beyond one's guru, is an

unnecessary exercise.

 

(4) Whether I consider Chaitanya Prabhu an avatar of

Vishnu or a saint with Vishnvamsa is immaterial.

Chaitanya Prabhu taught us to pray to Krishna. As long

as we both pray to Krishna as Chaitanya Prabhu taught,

the rest does not matter.

 

(5) There is certain ambivalence in Vedic teachings. You

may not like it, but I do. And, that's the way things

are. Dharma sookshmas often seem like contradictions.

That is especially true for a person under the temporary

(or permanent) influence of Mars or Rahu.

 

Also you talked about bhakti being important etc etc.

Please note that bhakti (devotion) may mean different

things to you and someone else. If someone doesn't share

your definition of bhakti, that doesn't mean he is a

fallen person.

 

Hanuman was the greatest bhakta of Rama. But he was

ready to fight a war against Rama on a particular

occasion.

 

(6) Why did Krishna say what he said about women?

 

Well, as Sanjay said, don't think that you clearly

understood what illustrious commentators of Gita said

(let alone what Krishna Himself said!!).

 

We should never jump to hasty conclusions based on our

little knowledge. See how humble Sanjay is despite his

vast knowledge. It is indeed hasty to think, based on

one's limited understanding, that one has Krishna on

one's side!

 

Keep your minds open and keep faith in your guru and

in Him. Hopefully, you will understand the purpose of

life and the ways of this universe and realize Brahma

Jnana oneday. Until that happens, we are all in the same

dark room, searching for Light. It will be good for all

of us to realize and remember that fact!

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha