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Dear Karu,

 

You have made an excellent analysis and I fully agree with your readings. However, if the Parivartana Yoga worked the first time, why will it not work the second time. The first time due to Parivartana, instead of Mercury giving son, Jupiter gave daughter. So, now it is the turn of Mercury to give a son, and that too an illustrious one as Mercury is very strong in Sagittarius in the tenth in the Saptamsa Chart. The moot ppoint here is the RAHU-Ketu axis. Having arrived at it, How will one proceed? Please read the chapter on co-born in COVA where I have shown an example for this. In timing the results, you have used the versatile Vimsottari Dasa.

 

Now see the transit of Saturn. RASI CHART: The Arudha Lagna is Virgo and is strong with three planets in it. However the transit of Saturn in the eighth from it from Feb 1998 to June 2000 would be bad. This is KANTAKA SANI as I have explained many times. From the eighth Saturn will aspect the second (Family/Wealth depletion), tenth (Problems in work) and the fifth (Sorrow, loss of position and children). Those houses connected with Saturn in the Natal chart would suffer. Here Cancer is Lagna and Saturn is the Lord of the 8th house in the 5th (this is a duryoga for loss of children). Thus Kantak Sani transit of the 8th would activate a link between the 8th and 5th houses.

 

Never underestimate the destructive power of Ketu. In the saptamsa, Saturn conjoins Ketu and is destroyed by it. Ganapati can be very destructive for the night strong planets. You were right that their placement in the 6th is bad. Do you see something about the third daughter? Study her chart and recommend the Mritunjaya Mantra for the father as worship of Lord Shiva is his greatest strength.

 

Check Carefully, Either way, a son is promised as the fifth pregnancy.

Best Wishes,

Sanjay Rath

 

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Karu

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Wednesday, June 14, 2000 1555 SJVC

[sri Guru] Case study- Saptamsa

 

 

Jaya Jaya Jagannath,

Namasthe Gurudeva Sanjay, Sarat and members,

 

Can you spend some time on this case study and send some light please.

Birth details- 23.9.1957 at 2.22 AM at 79E51; 6N56;TZ 5.30 IST

 

four female children, last daughter not survived.

 

My findings;

 

4.4.1 The possibility of children are seen from the 5th and ninth house.(5th for male)

4.4.2 Benefic in trines and quadrants (to the 5th) placed in beneficial varga give children.

4.4.5 Planets aspecting/ conjoining the 5th house/lord also indicate children (Upadesa Sutra)

 

a) 5th is Scorpio with Saturn in it. Lord of the 5th Mars is in 3rd promise children. Mars conjoined 2 male planets Sun and Jupiter (Karaka for chldren) must give male birth. But combution of Mars and it's occupation in a even sign, can give opposite results as it is week.

b) Mars conjoined Sun, having parivarthana yoga with Mercury (3rd lord). Here Sun acting as lord of the 3rd. Again children promised.

c) From 5th, lagna and Aruda lagna, there are 3 plants in quadrants and trines. This can show roughly about 3 children.

d) Saturn in the 5th (children) have papargala on lagna (happyness- self), 4th house (happynes -mind- home envoirment) may shows some sorrowfull mind in related to children.

 

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Examine Saptamsa for details.

 

Children must be seen from 5th house onwards for male.

1st child

5th is Cancer and Moon conjoined Venus (female) in Capricorn (female) shows the first child is a female.

 

 

2nd Child

2nd child must be examined from 7th house or 3rd from the 5th. It is Virgo and lord Mercury is in Saggittarios, odd sign. This must give a male child. But see the VERY IMPORTANT POINT here, the parivartana yoga of Mercury and Jupiter. Jupiter act here instead of Mercury and given the birth for 2nd child. Take Jupiter and Gemini instead Mercury and Saggittariuse for examine the 2nd child. Jupiter is in Gemini ( planets in even signs, Gemini or Aquariose gives female births) given female birth.

 

 

3rd child

3rd child must be examined from the 5th from 5th or 9th house of Saptamsa.Ninth is Scorpio. There is two lords for scorpio and find the stronger from Kethu and Mars.

Rules;-

a) one in same rasi. None, go for the next rule.

b) With larger number of planets; Mars conjoined Sun and Kethu conjoined Saturn. Same strength and go for next rule.

c) One of them are aspected by Jupiter, Mercury or dispositor is stronger.

Either Ketu or Mars not aspected by Jupiter or Mercury. Mars is in Aries and Dispositer is Mars itself with conjoined exaulted Sun.

Kethu is in Leo aspected by exaulted Sun. And Kethu is in a fixed sign while Mars is in Movable sign.Kethu is more stronger.

 

Kethu(Female) is in leo (male) and Conjoined Saturn( female) given again female birth.

Ketu in 6th did nod given negative results for child as it was 10th, from paka lagna of the 3rd child.

 

 

 

4th Child.

4th child must be seen from the 7th from 5th or 11th house. Lord of the 11th is Saturn(female) conjined Ketu (female) and in 6th house, Leo (male).

6th is 2nd ( Maraka) for 5th house and again 8th from 11th house (4th child). In fact he had another female child on 28th of May 2000, but lived only for five hours. On the other hand, since Saturn lord of the 4th child is conjoined with Kethu showing the last pregnancy and in 2nd from 5th shows the evil effects.

*The lord of the issue in the 8th from it is MARANAKARAKA, unless conjoined Ketu. In here it is with Ketu, but still did not given life for the issue. WHY ?

*If I have done a mistake by selecting Ketu as the lord of the 9th, then still Mars conjoined 6th lord Sun does not give the life for 4th child. But, if Mars is the lord of the 4th child conjoined with Sun must give a male child. So Ketu must be the stronger.

 

He may not have any more chilren. But if he try againg for a Male child, the dream would not come true as lord of the 5th pregnancy Jupiter is in Gemini would not give him a male child, unless blessing of the Parivartana yoga.

 

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Timing of Birth

 

Vimsottari Dasa;

 

1)(Lord of the 7D or) lagna must have unobstructed argala on dasa lord. (COVA page 185)

2)Birth take a place during the period of planets having argala on Lagnesh.( Lesson- Saptamsa)

 

So I think this rule works both side.

 

Only Rahu is qualified as Jupiter (lord of 7D) and Pisces having argala on Rahu. In fact argala from Pisces is obstructed by Venus and Moon but still Rahu could give results.

 

All child birth were on Rahu maha dasa as explained.

 

Antar Dasa

 

1st child.

 

Born in 10.10.94- Rahu-Mercury-Venus period.

 

Antar dasa planet must be, seen from the trines to the lord of the issue, dispositor or 4th or 11th house from 5th.(Lesson- Saptamsa)

AD lord should be seen from trines to the lord of the issue or strong argala.(COVA)

 

Venus, Saturn and Mercury are the lords of trines of Paka lagna. House of the issue (with Venus and Moon) having subargala on Mercury. Hence Child born in Mercury antar dasa.

 

 

2nd child.

 

Born on 10.10.96 Rahu- Ketu- Ketu period.

 

Saturn and Ketu are obstructing papargala on both Jupiter and Mercury. Lord of the 5th from 5th Ketu may be more qualified than lord of the 8th from fifth. So ketu is AD lord.

 

 

 

3rd child

 

Born on 20.04.1999 Rahu- Venus dasa.

 

No Idea at the movement about AD lord

 

4th Child

 

Female birth on 28th of May 2000, (not survived) Rahu- Venus- Mercury dasa

 

No idea at the movement about AD lord.

 

More to examined after your suggetion, looking forward to here from you all.

 

Hare Krishna

 

Karu

 

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Do you see something about the third daughter? Study her chart and recommend the Mritunjaya Mantra for the father as worship of Lord Shiva is his greatest strength.

 

Check Carefully, Either way, a son is promised as the fifth pregnancy.

Best Wishes,

Sanjay Rath

 

Jaya Jaya Jagannath

Namasthe Gurudeva Sanjay,

 

Thank you very much for my awaited mail. Now I can go ahed. I hope your kindness will guide me.

 

Since you mentioned very important point here, I have to read his and the daughter's chart again. Definetly I will do it and I may learn some thing about AYUSH as well.

As one son is promised, I think I will have enough time to do this.

I will send timing of birth of same native very soon.

 

Thank you very much.

 

Hare Krishna

Your Sishya

Karu

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Now see the transit of Saturn. RASI CHART: The Arudha Lagna is Virgo and is strong with three planets in it. However the transit of Saturn in the eighth from it from Feb 1998 to June 2000 would be bad. This is KANTAKA SANI as I have explained many times. From the eighth Saturn will aspect the second (Family/Wealth depletion), tenth (Problems in work) and the fifth (Sorrow, loss of position and children). Those houses connected with Saturn in the Natal chart would suffer. Here Cancer is Lagna and Saturn is the Lord of the 8th house in the 5th (this is a duryoga for loss of children). Thus Kantak Sani transit of the 8th would activate a link between the 8th and 5th houses.

 

Jaya Jaya Jagannath,

Dear Gurudeva Sanjay,

 

With my following quick studies, I think I do not have much time to study the chart of the 3rd child, and I have to follow your instruction about Mritunjaya manthra quickly.

 

1.Ketu is lord of the child and conjoind Saturn (8th lord of 1D) in the 6th (Maraka) of 7D.

2. Ketu is in 8th from 1D lagna, and Saturn is in the 8th from Ketu in rasi chart.

3. Native's dasa; Rahu-Venus-Mercury up to August 2000. Rahu is in 7th (Maraka) from Ketu (3rd child).

AD lord Venus is 8th lord of 7D.

PAD lord Mercury having argala on Ketu and Saturn (3rd child) and badly obstructed by Sun and Mars. Here Sun is 6th (maraka for children) lord.

 

Next PAD lord Ketu itself too can be very dangourouse to the 3rd child as it is in 6th from 5th in 7D.

 

Saturn transist over 11th from lagna and still aspect 5th house in 1D and paka lagna of the 3rd child in 7D.

 

According to above points, ( It is not studied well yet, but taking actions are more important) precent dasa is very bad for his 3rd child. Do you think I better advice him soon ?

 

Could you kindly send some light on this ?

 

Hare Krishna

Your sishya

Karu

 

 

 

 

 

Never underestimate the destructive power of Ketu. In the saptamsa, Saturn conjoins Ketu and is destroyed by it. Ganapati can be very destructive for the night strong planets. You were right that their placement in the 6th is bad. Do you see something about the third daughter? Study her chart and recommend the Mritunjaya Mantra for the father as worship of Lord Shiva is his greatest strength.

 

Check Carefully, Either way, a son is promised as the fifth pregnancy.

Best Wishes,

Sanjay Rath

 

 

 

 

3rd child

3rd child must be examined from the 5th from 5th or 9th house of Saptamsa.Ninth is Scorpio. There is two lords for scorpio and find the stronger from Kethu and Mars.

Rules;-

a) one in same rasi. None, go for the next rule.

b) With larger number of planets; Mars conjoined Sun and Kethu conjoined Saturn. Same strength and go for next rule.

c) One of them are aspected by Jupiter, Mercury or dispositor is stronger.

Either Ketu or Mars not aspected by Jupiter or Mercury. Mars is in Aries and Dispositer is Mars itself with conjoined exaulted Sun.

Kethu is in Leo aspected by exaulted Sun. And Kethu is in a fixed sign while Mars is in Movable sign.Kethu is more stronger.

 

Kethu(Female) is in leo (male) and Conjoined Saturn( female) given again female birth.

Ketu in 6th did nod given negative results for child as it was 10th, from paka lagna of the 3rd child.

 

 

 

 

 

3rd child

 

Born on 20.04.1999 Rahu- Venus dasa.

 

No Idea at the movement about AD lord

 

 

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