Sannyasa Yogas \ retro planets

December 16, 2005

Dear Members

I support the view of Shri Ramadas Rao for retro-planets showing effects of

previous house also. Their is also scriptural support for this which now i

am not remembering. I practically found this very convincing.

Classics even says that if planet is in fast forward in direct motion (more

speed than normal 'atichari') it also gives result of following sign.

Second point about when retro planet will become direct in natal chart is

also not known to me, it should be observed with time.

Best Wishes.

Vijay Goel.

Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:09:54 +0000 (GMT)

Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao

RE: Sannyasa Yogas

OM NAMO NARAYANAYA

Dear Visti,

Namaskar,

Here I am not arguing with anybody but i have done studies about vakra

planets and I obtained success in this matter.Now you have not read my mail

completely.I have said,Karma Karaka Shani and Daivanugraha Karaka Guru work

hand in hand.If Guru is not Vakra,then he will give the fruits of the Karma

very early also.Now you said in the case of Swamiji,He attained Sanyasa at

the age of 19.Please check the transit position of Shani during the day of

Sanyasa.Was he transitting over natal Guru or was he retrograde etc.?

You can see the effects of vakra planets from their previous house as per

Nadi technics which was taught to me by Shri R.G.Rao.1st I was not at all

agreed about this theory but when I went very deep,I felt what he said is

correct.Also please find out why planets get retrograde scientifically and

check whether astrologically they are correct or not.As I said earlier, I am

not arguing or finding out the scriptural evidences.Whatever we have till

now is not complete and that much only I can say.Still we have to learn a

lot.Even our whole life is not enough to say the we know complete

Astrology.As long as planets get retrograde Karmic cycle continues.Our Past

Karmas will continue to the next life.Only a few can get Moksha.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

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||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Ramadas Rao, Namaskar

I remember your posts in the past about retrograde planets, but cannot

accept this method of looking at the chart. Please justify/correct the

points that i have collected below from your mail:

i) Planets acting as if in the previous sign?

My argument against this is: a) where is the scriptural reference? and b)

If a direct planet doesn't act as in the following sign, then how can a

retrograde planet act as if in the previous sign?

ii) Retrograde Shani will obstruct Sanyasa yoga?

Here i am aware that you are using a certain timing technique that i agree

with, however in the chart of Sri Jayendra Sarasvati - Shankaracharya of

Kanchi, Shani is retrograde, but he attained diksha at 19 years of age,

before Shani went direct. Chart details are: July 18th,1935 7 pm (79e26,

10n42).

Instead , my understanding is that the retrogression shows a very strong

desire to attain something, and when the direct motion begins, it shows the

desire ending. This is because a retrograde planet is said to have three

times its normal strength and thus has Atma bala (the three types of desire

are that of the dhi, mana and atma). So i dare not say that there

necessarily be a case of obstruction, just a strong desire which is not

fulfilled, like an endless desire for money, children, relationships, etc.

It may even be a desire for sanyasa!

On the other hand, if a retrograde planet is involved in a curse, it shows

a curse which cannot be remedied due to the strong desire (atma bala)

envoked by the 'curser', hence causing the obstruction in that sense...

offcourse all this depends on the context.

Best wishes,

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December 16, 2005

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

Dear Vijay and other Learned Jyotishas,

Please do not consider this impudent.

Academically it would be great help if you could present shloka

from classic. I do understand that some dictums are not directly

available. I will be very happy to even see a good interpretation of

existing shlokas.

The nearest thing to this from my memory is about Latta (Kicks or ankle

hits of Graha) called Purva lattas. This is from I think is

Sarvotobhadra transit analysis, I think Phaladeepika mentions this. But

in my understanding these backward count for nakshatra is different

than aspects. Since I have not yet learnt about these I cannot say much.

Another question which I always want to ask is, There is eight kinds of motion as per Parashara

Ch 27.12 /RSantanam edition/

Eight kinds of motions are attributed to Grahas.

These are

Vakr (retrogression),

Anuvakr (entering the previous RÃ¤si in retrograde motion),

Vikal (devoid of motion),

Mand (somewhat slower motion than usual),

Mandatar (slower than the previous),

Sama (somewhat increasing in motion),

Char (faster than Sama) and

Atichar (entering next RÃ¤si in accelerated motion).

The strengths, allotted due to such 8 motions are 60, 30, 15, 30, 15, 7.5, 45 and 30.

I would be happy if any one can clearly explain the above motions. And, If the drishti changes with each type of Vakra motion

Warm Regards

Sanjay P

On 12/16/05, Vijay Goel <goyalvj wrote:

Dear MembersI support the view of Shri Ramadas Rao for retro-planets showing effects ofprevious house also. Their is also scriptural support for this which now iam not remembering. I practically found this very convincing.

Classics even says that if planet is in fast forward in direct motion (morespeed than normal 'atichari') it also gives result of following sign.Second point about when retro planet will become direct in natal chart is

also not known to me, it should be observed with time.Best Wishes.Vijay Goel. Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:09:54 +0000 (GMT) Ramadas Rao <

ramadasraoRE: Sannyasa YogasOM NAMO NARAYANAYA Dear Visti, Namaskar, Here I am not arguing with anybody but i have done studies about vakraplanets and I obtained success in this matter.Now you have not read my mailcompletely.I have said,Karma Karaka Shani and Daivanugraha Karaka Guru workhand in hand.If Guru is not Vakra,then he will give the fruits of the Karmavery early also.Now you said in the case of Swamiji,He attained Sanyasa at

the age of 19.Please check the transit position of Shani during the day ofSanyasa.Was he transitting over natal Guru or was he retrograde etc.? You can see the effects of vakra planets from their previous house as per

Nadi technics which was taught to me by Shri R.G.Rao.1st I was not at allagreed about this theory but when I went very deep,I felt what he said iscorrect.Also please find out why planets get retrograde scientifically and

check whether astrologically they are correct or not.As I said earlier, I amnot arguing or finding out the scriptural evidences.Whatever we have tillnow is not complete and that much only I can say.Still we have to learn a

lot.Even our whole life is not enough to say the we know completeAstrology.As long as planets get retrograde Karmic cycle continues.Our PastKarmas will continue to the next life.Only a few can get Moksha. With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.Visti Larsen <visti wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:*{behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape

{behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Ramadas Rao, Namaskar I remember your posts in the past about retrograde planets, but cannotaccept this method of looking at the chart. Please justify/correct the

points that i have collected below from your mail: i)

Planets acting as if in the previous sign? My argument against this is: a) where is the scriptural reference? and b)If a direct planet doesn't act as in the following sign, then how can aretrograde planet act as if in the previous sign?

ii)

Retrograde Shani will obstruct Sanyasa yoga? Here i am aware that you are using a certain timing technique that i agreewith, however in the chart of Sri Jayendra Sarasvati - Shankaracharya ofKanchi, Shani is retrograde, but he attained diksha at 19 years of age,

before Shani went direct. Chart details are: July 18th,1935 7 pm (79e26,10n42). Instead , my understanding is that the retrogression shows a very strongdesire to attain something, and when the direct motion begins, it shows the

desire ending. This is because a retrograde planet is said to have threetimes its normal strength and thus has Atma bala (the three types of desireare that of the dhi, mana and atma). So i dare not say that there

necessarily be a case of obstruction, just a strong desire which is notfulfilled, like an endless desire for money, children, relationships, etc.It may even be a desire for sanyasa! On the other hand, if a retrograde planet is involved in a curse, it shows

a curse which cannot be remedied due to the strong desire (atma bala)envoked by the 'curser', hence causing the obstruction in that sense...offcourse all this depends on the context. Best wishes, ***

Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com ***