Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Om namah Shivaya, Gurudevata can be seen in a planet conjoining Bhatrikaraka planet in navamsa chart. IF there are no conjunction, see Rashi dristi. If there are non, then take the sign and lord of Bhatrikaraka sign in navamsa. Now, I will add you a few rules for Gurudevata. 1. If guru devata is in Trines To Navamsa Lagna, you will be a gyani Yogi. 2. IF it is in 11th from the Moon in Navamsa, then real protection of Shiva is there Nice rules:) Best wishes Zoran Radosavljevic www.siva-edu.info www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com , " kissnab " <kissna wrote: > > Okay, hi everybody here, > > I'd like to ask a question about Guru Devata..... > > Do you find Guru Devata from the Bhratrikaraka planet or from the > ruler of the sign occupied by the Bhratrikaraka in Navamsha chart? > Suppose, Moon is the Bhratrikaraka planet and occupying Capricorn in > Navamsha, would the Guru Devata be related to Moon or Saturn? > > Thanks. > > Kissna > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Om Namah Shivaya, Dear Rafal, I forgot to add. Take up my example. Rahu is BK and is placed in Lagna in Navamsa Alone. It has rashi dristi of Ak Shani ,Ketu and Surya. Ketu and Surya rashi dristi on BK normally show Shiva. So he said that my Guru devata is Shiva. My Diksha Guru Shri Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was from Shankarachayra parampara (Shiva), and Sanjayji himself is a great worshipper of Shiva. Our department of Devaguru Brihaspati in Europe is called Shiva. So one of the reasons why Sanjayji chose this name is this one. Hope this helps. Best wishes Zoran Radosavljevic www.siva-edu.info www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com , " ahimsavm " <ahimsans wrote: > > Om Namah Shivaya, > Dear Rafal Namaskar, > Sorry, I was taught by Sanjayji exactly what I said in my mail.What > you state is a correct, but this is the first step. There are much > more to Bhatrikaraka. > Best wishes > Zoran Radosavljevic > www.siva-edu.info > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> > wrote: > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > > > Normally the rules are that we take the exact BK Graha if there is > no > > yuti in D9. > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal@ > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > Om namah Shivaya, > > > Gurudevata can be seen in a planet conjoining Bhatrikaraka > planet in > > > navamsa chart. IF there are no conjunction, see Rashi dristi. If > there > > > are non, then take the sign and lord of Bhatrikaraka sign in > navamsa. > > > Now, I will add you a few rules for Gurudevata. > > > 1. If guru devata is in Trines To Navamsa Lagna, you will be a > gyani > > > Yogi. > > > 2. IF it is in 11th from the Moon in Navamsa, then real > protection of > > > Shiva is there > > > Nice rules:) > > > Best wishes > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > www.siva-edu. info > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > > > > > > > > <%40>, " kissnab " <kissna@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Okay, hi everybody here, > > > > > > > > I'd like to ask a question about Guru Devata..... > > > > > > > > Do you find Guru Devata from the Bhratrikaraka planet or from > the > > > > ruler of the sign occupied by the Bhratrikaraka in Navamsha > chart? > > > > Suppose, Moon is the Bhratrikaraka planet and occupying > Capricorn in > > > > Navamsha, would the Guru Devata be related to Moon or Saturn? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Kissna > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ -- > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release Date: > 2008-11-01 19:56 > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 kleem namah narasimhaaya Dear Zoranji, Namaskar Thankyou. Regards, Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal ahimsavm pisze: Om Namah Shivaya, Dear Rafal Namaskar, Sorry, I was taught by Sanjayji exactly what I said in my mail.What you state is a correct, but this is the first step. There are much more to Bhatrikaraka. Best wishes Zoran Radosavljevic www.siva-edu.info www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > Normally the rules are that we take the exact BK Graha if there is no > yuti in D9. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > Om namah Shivaya, > > Gurudevata can be seen in a planet conjoining Bhatrikaraka planet in > > navamsa chart. IF there are no conjunction, see Rashi dristi. If there > > are non, then take the sign and lord of Bhatrikaraka sign in navamsa. > > Now, I will add you a few rules for Gurudevata. > > 1. If guru devata is in Trines To Navamsa Lagna, you will be a gyani > > Yogi. > > 2. IF it is in 11th from the Moon in Navamsa, then real protection of > > Shiva is there > > Nice rules:) > > Best wishes > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > www.siva-edu. info > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > > > > > <%40>, "kissnab" <kissna@> wrote: > > > > > > Okay, hi everybody here, > > > > > > I'd like to ask a question about Guru Devata..... > > > > > > Do you find Guru Devata from the Bhratrikaraka planet or from the > > > ruler of the sign occupied by the Bhratrikaraka in Navamsha chart? > > > Suppose, Moon is the Bhratrikaraka planet and occupying Capricorn in > > > Navamsha, would the Guru Devata be related to Moon or Saturn? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Kissna > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- ------- > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release 2008-11-01 19:56 > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release 2008-11-01 19:56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Om Namah Shivaya, Dear Rafal, You are welcome. This is the exact procedure Sanjayji applied in my own chart, when teaching me Devata in a chart many years back. His prediciton were also correct at that time about my Ketu mahadasha and the work for SIVA (Shiva). Please, read between the lines.. Same procedure can be applied for determination of Istha and other devatas. Sometimes, people just take the planet in 12th house from Karakamsa as Ishtadevata. This is true, yet, there are other things which can dominate, and one has to use common sense in that. Actuaylly, even rashi dristis of ketu and other planets simultaniously become more important than placement of a planet at a time, since such combination imbibe the blessings of Pratyadhi devata. Sometimes, malefic planets as Ishta devata show the obstacles in one's meditation, so a person in the first step dislikes the worship of Devata. In such cases, benefic infleunces can remove the block and reveal the true rupa of a Devata in the longer run. Hope this will help Best wishes Zoran Radosavljevic www.siva-edu.info www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > * > Thankyou. > * > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > Dear Rafal Namaskar, > > Sorry, I was taught by Sanjayji exactly what I said in my mail.What > > you state is a correct, but this is the first step. There are much > > more to Bhatrikaraka. > > Best wishes > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > www.siva-edu.info > > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > > > > <%40>, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> > > wrote: > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > > > > > Normally the rules are that we take the exact BK Graha if there is > > no > > > yuti in D9. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > > > Om namah Shivaya, > > > > Gurudevata can be seen in a planet conjoining Bhatrikaraka > > planet in > > > > navamsa chart. IF there are no conjunction, see Rashi dristi. If > > there > > > > are non, then take the sign and lord of Bhatrikaraka sign in > > navamsa. > > > > Now, I will add you a few rules for Gurudevata. > > > > 1. If guru devata is in Trines To Navamsa Lagna, you will be a > > gyani > > > > Yogi. > > > > 2. IF it is in 11th from the Moon in Navamsa, then real > > protection of > > > > Shiva is there > > > > Nice rules:) > > > > Best wishes > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > www.siva-edu. info > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, " kissnab " <kissna@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Okay, hi everybody here, > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to ask a question about Guru Devata..... > > > > > > > > > > Do you find Guru Devata from the Bhratrikaraka planet or from > > the > > > > > ruler of the sign occupied by the Bhratrikaraka in Navamsha > > chart? > > > > > Suppose, Moon is the Bhratrikaraka planet and occupying > > Capricorn in > > > > > Navamsha, would the Guru Devata be related to Moon or Saturn? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > Kissna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release Date: > > 2008-11-01 19:56 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------- ------- > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release Date: 2008-11-01 19:56 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 OMM GURUVYE NAMAH Respected Rafal ji and Zoran ji Charan Sparsha 12th from Atmakarak in Navamamsa shows ISTADEVATA ,but the most influence on that graha (or no graha at all ) in 12th from karakamsa navamansa ,by Raasi Dristi or Graha Dristi,is the Deity Who shows the Path to Istadevata.Or is the Deity whether Maha Vishnu form or Maha Shiva form or MahaVidya fom or even Aditya form leads us to Liberation of our Soul ? There is a some thing going wrong with me Atmakarak and Badhakesh Saturn is in 12th from Mesha lagna with Co-badhakesh Rahu . I want to go deep in Astrological Studies,it needs a lot of spirituality but I am stuck in a TALA due to some previous PAAPA, it seems as you stated in last reply to Rafal ji--sometimes Malefic planets as Istadevta------------------longer run.My D.o.b- 4th may 1968 , 05 -30 am ,Cuttack , Orissa ,India. GURU CAN HELP LIFT US FROM TALAS , please open your hand of Blessings With Deep Respect Deepak modi --- On Mon, 11/3/08, ahimsavm <ahimsans wrote: ahimsavm <ahimsans[Om Krishna Guru] Re: Guru Devata Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 7:22 AM Om Namah Shivaya,Dear Rafal,You are welcome. This is the exact procedure Sanjayji applied in my own chart, when teaching me Devata in a chart many years back. His prediciton were also correct at that time about my Ketu mahadasha and the work for SIVA (Shiva).Please, read between the lines.. Same procedure can be applied for determination of Istha and other devatas. Sometimes, people just take the planet in 12th house from Karakamsa as Ishtadevata. This is true, yet, there are other things which can dominate, and one has to use common sense in that. Actuaylly, even rashi dristis of ketu and other planets simultaniously become more important than placement of a planet at a time, since such combination imbibe the blessings of Pratyadhi devata. Sometimes, malefic planets as Ishta devata show the obstacles in one's meditation, so a person in the first step dislikes the worship of Devata. In such cases, benefic infleunces can remove the block and reveal the true rupa of a Devata in the longer run. Hope this will helpBest wishesZoran Radosavljevicwww.siva-edu. infowww.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> wrote:>> *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> Dear Zoranji, Namaskar> *> Thankyou.> *> Regards,> Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> www: http://rohinaa. com / email: rafal > ahimsavm pisze:> >> > Om Namah Shivaya,> > Dear Rafal Namaskar,> > Sorry, I was taught by Sanjayji exactly what I said in my mail.What> > you state is a correct, but this is the first step. There are much> > more to Bhatrikaraka.> > Best wishes> > Zoran Radosavljevic> > www.siva-edu. info> > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ >> > wrote:> > >> > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar> > >> > > Normally the rules are that we take the exact BK Graha if there is> > no> > > yuti in D9.> > >> > > Regards,> > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> / email: rafal@> > >> > >> > > ahimsavm pisze:> > > >> > > > Om namah Shivaya,> > > > Gurudevata can be seen in a planet conjoining Bhatrikaraka> > planet in> > > > navamsa chart. IF there are no conjunction, see Rashi dristi. If> > there> > > > are non, then take the sign and lord of Bhatrikaraka sign in> > navamsa.> > > > Now, I will add you a few rules for Gurudevata.> > > > 1. If guru devata is in Trines To Navamsa Lagna, you will be a> > gyani> > > > Yogi.> > > > 2. IF it is in 11th from the Moon in Navamsa, then real> > protection of> > > > Shiva is there> > > > Nice rules:)> > > > Best wishes> > > > Zoran Radosavljevic> > > > www.siva-edu. info> > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > >> > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, "kissnab" <kissna@>> > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Okay, hi everybody here,> > > > >> > > > > I'd like to ask a question about Guru Devata.....> > > > >> > > > > Do you find Guru Devata from the Bhratrikaraka planet or from> > the> > > > > ruler of the sign occupied by the Bhratrikaraka in Navamsha> > chart?> > > > > Suppose, Moon is the Bhratrikaraka planet and occupying> > Capricorn in> > > > > Navamsha, would the Guru Devata be related to Moon or Saturn?> > > > >> > > > > Thanks.> > > > >> > > > > Kissna> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > -------> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com <http://www.avg. com>> > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release Date:> > 2008-11-01 19:56> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> >> >> > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release 2008-11-01 19:56> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Om Gurave namah Dear Zoki, Thanks for this post and hints. regards Kaartik Gor , " ahimsavm " <ahimsans wrote: > > Om Namah Shivaya, > Dear Rafal, > You are welcome. This is the exact procedure Sanjayji applied in my > own chart, when teaching me Devata in a chart many years back. His > prediciton were also correct at that time about my Ketu mahadasha > and the work for SIVA (Shiva). > Please, read between the lines.. Same procedure can be applied for > determination of Istha and other devatas. Sometimes, people just > take the planet in 12th house from Karakamsa as Ishtadevata. This is > true, yet, there are other things which can dominate, and one has to > use common sense in that. Actuaylly, even rashi dristis of ketu and > other planets simultaniously become more important than placement of > a planet at a time, since such combination imbibe the blessings of > Pratyadhi devata. Sometimes, malefic planets as Ishta devata show > the obstacles in one's meditation, so a person in the first step > dislikes the worship of Devata. In such cases, benefic infleunces > can remove the block and reveal the true rupa of a Devata in the > longer run. Hope this will help > Best wishes > Zoran Radosavljevic > www.siva-edu.info > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> > wrote: > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > * > > Thankyou. > > * > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal@ > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > Dear Rafal Namaskar, > > > Sorry, I was taught by Sanjayji exactly what I said in my > mail.What > > > you state is a correct, but this is the first step. There are > much > > > more to Bhatrikaraka. > > > Best wishes > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > www.siva-edu.info > > > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > > > > > > <%40>, Rafal Gendarz > <starsuponme@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > > > > > > > Normally the rules are that we take the exact BK Graha if > there is > > > no > > > > yuti in D9. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > > > > > Om namah Shivaya, > > > > > Gurudevata can be seen in a planet conjoining Bhatrikaraka > > > planet in > > > > > navamsa chart. IF there are no conjunction, see Rashi > dristi. If > > > there > > > > > are non, then take the sign and lord of Bhatrikaraka sign in > > > navamsa. > > > > > Now, I will add you a few rules for Gurudevata. > > > > > 1. If guru devata is in Trines To Navamsa Lagna, you will be > a > > > gyani > > > > > Yogi. > > > > > 2. IF it is in 11th from the Moon in Navamsa, then real > > > protection of > > > > > Shiva is there > > > > > Nice rules:) > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > > www.siva-edu. info > > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, " kissnab " <kissna@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, hi everybody here, > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to ask a question about Guru Devata..... > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you find Guru Devata from the Bhratrikaraka planet or > from > > > the > > > > > > ruler of the sign occupied by the Bhratrikaraka in Navamsha > > > chart? > > > > > > Suppose, Moon is the Bhratrikaraka planet and occupying > > > Capricorn in > > > > > > Navamsha, would the Guru Devata be related to Moon or > Saturn? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kissna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release > Date: > > > 2008-11-01 19:56 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- - > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release Date: > 2008-11-01 19:56 > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Hi Zoran-ji, Thanks so much for your reply and clarifying my confusion regarding Guru Devata. I didn't know that Rashi Dristhi had such an impact on determining Devatas in our chart - be it Ishta, Dharma, or Guru Devata. You know in my case, I have BK Jupiter in the 9th house in Taurus, with Venus (dispositer) in the 5th house in Capricorn, in my Navamsha chart. BK Jupiter is aspected by an exalted Saturn from the 2nd house and Venus from the 5th house. Both are rashi dristhis. From what I have understood, Saturn's aspect indicates Narayan, while Venus - being the dispositer and the aspecting planet would indicate Rishi Parshuram specifically, isn't it? So, is my Guru Devata Rishi Parshuram? And, may I add that I've always had something, which I can't explain for Rishi Parshuram - maybe because he was the Guru of my favorite character from Mahabharata - Karna. I'd appreciate your inputs, Zoran-ji. Kindly, Kissna , " ahimsavm " <ahimsans wrote: > > Om Namah Shivaya, > Dear Rafal, > You are welcome. This is the exact procedure Sanjayji applied in my > own chart, when teaching me Devata in a chart many years back. His > prediciton were also correct at that time about my Ketu mahadasha > and the work for SIVA (Shiva). > Please, read between the lines.. Same procedure can be applied for > determination of Istha and other devatas. Sometimes, people just > take the planet in 12th house from Karakamsa as Ishtadevata. This is > true, yet, there are other things which can dominate, and one has to > use common sense in that. Actuaylly, even rashi dristis of ketu and > other planets simultaniously become more important than placement of > a planet at a time, since such combination imbibe the blessings of > Pratyadhi devata. Sometimes, malefic planets as Ishta devata show > the obstacles in one's meditation, so a person in the first step > dislikes the worship of Devata. In such cases, benefic infleunces > can remove the block and reveal the true rupa of a Devata in the > longer run. Hope this will help > Best wishes > Zoran Radosavljevic > www.siva-edu.info > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> > wrote: > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > * > > Thankyou. > > * > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal@ > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > Dear Rafal Namaskar, > > > Sorry, I was taught by Sanjayji exactly what I said in my > mail.What > > > you state is a correct, but this is the first step. There are > much > > > more to Bhatrikaraka. > > > Best wishes > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > www.siva-edu.info > > > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > > > > > > <%40>, Rafal Gendarz > <starsuponme@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > > > > > > > Normally the rules are that we take the exact BK Graha if > there is > > > no > > > > yuti in D9. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > > > > > Om namah Shivaya, > > > > > Gurudevata can be seen in a planet conjoining Bhatrikaraka > > > planet in > > > > > navamsa chart. IF there are no conjunction, see Rashi > dristi. If > > > there > > > > > are non, then take the sign and lord of Bhatrikaraka sign in > > > navamsa. > > > > > Now, I will add you a few rules for Gurudevata. > > > > > 1. If guru devata is in Trines To Navamsa Lagna, you will be > a > > > gyani > > > > > Yogi. > > > > > 2. IF it is in 11th from the Moon in Navamsa, then real > > > protection of > > > > > Shiva is there > > > > > Nice rules:) > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > > www.siva-edu. info > > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, " kissnab " <kissna@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, hi everybody here, > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to ask a question about Guru Devata..... > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you find Guru Devata from the Bhratrikaraka planet or > from > > > the > > > > > > ruler of the sign occupied by the Bhratrikaraka in Navamsha > > > chart? > > > > > > Suppose, Moon is the Bhratrikaraka planet and occupying > > > Capricorn in > > > > > > Navamsha, would the Guru Devata be related to Moon or > Saturn? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kissna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release > Date: > > > 2008-11-01 19:56 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------- > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release Date: > 2008-11-01 19:56 > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Om Gurave Namah Dear Kissna, Namaste As per rules given in this thread rasi dristi of exalted Sani would be stronger in your case. However, there is parivartana between Sani and Sukra, so final choice would be Sukra. Sri Parasurama is not to be worshipped when we are choosing Ista devata, as I am so far informed. If this rule also applies when choosing Guru Devata (I must add that I am not sure), choice in your case should probably be made between Mahalakshmi or Hrishikeshaya. In case you are interested in reasons why Sri Parasurama is not to be worshiped I think Zoran Radosavljevic or Rafal Gendarz can give you much better explanation. Hey... can you post us your birth data? I would love to see your D9 "in one peace" Regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat --- On Mon, 11/3/08, kissnab <kissna wrote: kissnab <kissna[Om Krishna Guru] Re: Guru Devata Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 4:29 AM Hi Zoran-ji,Thanks so much for your reply and clarifying my confusion regardingGuru Devata. :)I didn't know that Rashi Dristhi had such an impact on determiningDevatas in our chart - be it Ishta, Dharma, or Guru Devata.You know in my case, I have BK Jupiter in the 9th house in Taurus,with Venus (dispositer) in the 5th house in Capricorn, in my Navamshachart. BK Jupiter is aspected by an exalted Saturn from the 2nd houseand Venus from the 5th house. Both are rashi dristhis.From what I have understood, Saturn's aspect indicates Narayan, whileVenus - being the dispositer and the aspecting planet would indicateRishi Parshuram specifically, isn't it? So, is my Guru Devata RishiParshuram? And, may I add that I've always had something, which Ican't explain for Rishi Parshuram - maybe because he was the Guru ofmy favorite character from Mahabharata - Karna. :)I'd appreciate your inputs, Zoran-ji. :)Kindly,Kissna, "ahimsavm" <ahimsans@.. .> wrote:>> Om Namah Shivaya,> Dear Rafal,> You are welcome. This is the exact procedure Sanjayji applied in my > own chart, when teaching me Devata in a chart many years back. His > prediciton were also correct at that time about my Ketu mahadasha > and the work for SIVA (Shiva).> Please, read between the lines.. Same procedure can be applied for > determination of Istha and other devatas. Sometimes, people just > take the planet in 12th house from Karakamsa as Ishtadevata. This is > true, yet, there are other things which can dominate, and one has to > use common sense in that. Actuaylly, even rashi dristis of ketu and > other planets simultaniously become more important than placement of > a planet at a time, since such combination imbibe the blessings of > Pratyadhi devata. Sometimes, malefic planets as Ishta devata show > the obstacles in one's meditation, so a person in the first step > dislikes the worship of Devata. In such cases, benefic infleunces > can remove the block and reveal the true rupa of a Devata in the > longer run. Hope this will help> Best wishes> Zoran Radosavljevic> www.siva-edu. info> www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > > wrote:> >> > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar> > *> > Thankyou.> > *> > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > www: http://rohinaa. com / email: rafal@> > > > ahimsavm pisze:> > >> > > Om Namah Shivaya,> > > Dear Rafal Namaskar,> > > Sorry, I was taught by Sanjayji exactly what I said in my > mail.What> > > you state is a correct, but this is the first step. There are > much> > > more to Bhatrikaraka.> > > Best wishes> > > Zoran Radosavljevic> > > www.siva-edu. info> > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz > <starsuponme@ >> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar> > > >> > > > Normally the rules are that we take the exact BK Graha if > there is> > > no> > > > yuti in D9.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> / email: rafal@> > > >> > > >> > > > ahimsavm pisze:> > > > >> > > > > Om namah Shivaya,> > > > > Gurudevata can be seen in a planet conjoining Bhatrikaraka> > > planet in> > > > > navamsa chart. IF there are no conjunction, see Rashi > dristi. If> > > there> > > > > are non, then take the sign and lord of Bhatrikaraka sign in> > > navamsa.> > > > > Now, I will add you a few rules for Gurudevata.> > > > > 1. If guru devata is in Trines To Navamsa Lagna, you will be > a> > > gyani> > > > > Yogi.> > > > > 2. IF it is in 11th from the Moon in Navamsa, then real> > > protection of> > > > > Shiva is there> > > > > Nice rules:)> > > > > Best wishes> > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic> > > > > www.siva-edu. info> > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, "kissnab" <kissna@>> > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Okay, hi everybody here,> > > > > >> > > > > > I'd like to ask a question about Guru Devata.....> > > > > >> > > > > > Do you find Guru Devata from the Bhratrikaraka planet or > from> > > the> > > > > > ruler of the sign occupied by the Bhratrikaraka in Navamsha> > > chart?> > > > > > Suppose, Moon is the Bhratrikaraka planet and occupying> > > Capricorn in> > > > > > Navamsha, would the Guru Devata be related to Moon or > Saturn?> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks.> > > > > >> > > > > > Kissna> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > > -------> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com <http://www.avg. com>> > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release > Date:> > > 2008-11-01 19:56> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> -------> > >> > >> > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release > 2008-11-01 19:56> > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Om Namah Shivaya, First, I need to clarify again:) 1. For Gurudevata always choose the form of SHIVA. He is Parameshti Guru. 2. For Ishta Devata it can be of any form, but prefer Vishnu 3. For Dharma Devata prefer Vishnu as well 4. For Palan Devata choose the form of Devi. Now, NORMAL PROCEDURE IS> 1. Take the form of a graha which IS placed in a house 2. priority is to take the lord if house is empty 3. Priority is to take planets aspecting by rashi dristi Now, after you selected planets, there comes a procedure, where one has to blend the infleunces see the specific forms, dashas etc, and which planets and forms are a better candidate as I explained before in an example. For example in the chart you stated,Narayan and Parashuram would hardly be taken as the proper form, as for Gurudevata the correct form is the form of Shiva. So,by the first crieteria Guru in taurus indicates your Guru who may be a worshipper of Shiva (nandi is taurus). Shani dristi or Shukra dristi should be seen whether a specific rupa of a devata is there. Normally, shani dristi will delay or ignore the upadesh of Guru devata, while Shani and Shukra mutual dristi may pose a danger of contacting a Guru who can teach some Pisachi Karna mantras. In this manner we have to carefully blend and seek for the rupas of the Devata. I guess, I should also work more on it:)If by any chance, Shukra or Shani gain the status of Ishta devata then it its mutual infleunce can show Radha. So, be careful, and watch every step and aspect. Best wishes Zoran , " kissnab " <kissna wrote: > > Hi Zoran-ji, > > Thanks so much for your reply and clarifying my confusion regarding > Guru Devata. > > I didn't know that Rashi Dristhi had such an impact on determining > Devatas in our chart - be it Ishta, Dharma, or Guru Devata. > > You know in my case, I have BK Jupiter in the 9th house in Taurus, > with Venus (dispositer) in the 5th house in Capricorn, in my Navamsha > chart. BK Jupiter is aspected by an exalted Saturn from the 2nd house > and Venus from the 5th house. Both are rashi dristhis. > > From what I have understood, Saturn's aspect indicates Narayan, while > Venus - being the dispositer and the aspecting planet would indicate > Rishi Parshuram specifically, isn't it? So, is my Guru Devata Rishi > Parshuram? And, may I add that I've always had something, which I > can't explain for Rishi Parshuram - maybe because he was the Guru of > my favorite character from Mahabharata - Karna. > > I'd appreciate your inputs, Zoran-ji. > > Kindly, > > Kissna > > > > > > , " ahimsavm " <ahimsans@> wrote: > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > Dear Rafal, > > You are welcome. This is the exact procedure Sanjayji applied in my > > own chart, when teaching me Devata in a chart many years back. His > > prediciton were also correct at that time about my Ketu mahadasha > > and the work for SIVA (Shiva). > > Please, read between the lines.. Same procedure can be applied for > > determination of Istha and other devatas. Sometimes, people just > > take the planet in 12th house from Karakamsa as Ishtadevata. This is > > true, yet, there are other things which can dominate, and one has to > > use common sense in that. Actuaylly, even rashi dristis of ketu and > > other planets simultaniously become more important than placement of > > a planet at a time, since such combination imbibe the blessings of > > Pratyadhi devata. Sometimes, malefic planets as Ishta devata show > > the obstacles in one's meditation, so a person in the first step > > dislikes the worship of Devata. In such cases, benefic infleunces > > can remove the block and reveal the true rupa of a Devata in the > > longer run. Hope this will help > > Best wishes > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > www.siva-edu.info > > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > > , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> > > wrote: > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > > * > > > Thankyou. > > > * > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal@ > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > > Dear Rafal Namaskar, > > > > Sorry, I was taught by Sanjayji exactly what I said in my > > mail.What > > > > you state is a correct, but this is the first step. There are > > much > > > > more to Bhatrikaraka. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > www.siva-edu.info > > > > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > > > > > > > > <%40>, Rafal Gendarz > > <starsuponme@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > Normally the rules are that we take the exact BK Graha if > > there is > > > > no > > > > > yuti in D9. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Om namah Shivaya, > > > > > > Gurudevata can be seen in a planet conjoining Bhatrikaraka > > > > planet in > > > > > > navamsa chart. IF there are no conjunction, see Rashi > > dristi. If > > > > there > > > > > > are non, then take the sign and lord of Bhatrikaraka sign in > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > Now, I will add you a few rules for Gurudevata. > > > > > > 1. If guru devata is in Trines To Navamsa Lagna, you will be > > a > > > > gyani > > > > > > Yogi. > > > > > > 2. IF it is in 11th from the Moon in Navamsa, then real > > > > protection of > > > > > > Shiva is there > > > > > > Nice rules:) > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > > > www.siva-edu. info > > > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, " kissnab " <kissna@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, hi everybody here, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to ask a question about Guru Devata..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you find Guru Devata from the Bhratrikaraka planet or > > from > > > > the > > > > > > > ruler of the sign occupied by the Bhratrikaraka in Navamsha > > > > chart? > > > > > > > Suppose, Moon is the Bhratrikaraka planet and occupying > > > > Capricorn in > > > > > > > Navamsha, would the Guru Devata be related to Moon or > > Saturn? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kissna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ - > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> > > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release > > Date: > > > > 2008-11-01 19:56 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------- ---- > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release Date: > > 2008-11-01 19:56 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Dear Zoran Wonderful mail. Very interesting points youi have mentioned. Will try to apply them in charts. I was wondering is there any combination in a chart to see Bhairava as a deity? As what combination of planets can indicate Lord Bhairava.. -Regards Rajarshi "This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet--- On Tue, 4/11/08, ahimsavm <ahimsans wrote: ahimsavm <ahimsans[Om Krishna Guru] Re: Guru Devata Date: Tuesday, 4 November, 2008, 10:39 AM Om Namah Shivaya,First, I need to clarify again:)1. For Gurudevata always choose the form of SHIVA. He is Parameshti Guru.2. For Ishta Devata it can be of any form, but prefer Vishnu3. For Dharma Devata prefer Vishnu as well4. For Palan Devata choose the form of Devi.Now, NORMAL PROCEDURE IS>1. Take the form of a graha which IS placed in a house2. priority is to take the lord if house is empty3. Priority is to take planets aspecting by rashi dristiNow, after you selected planets, there comes a procedure, where one has to blend the infleunces see the specific forms, dashas etc, and which planets and forms are a better candidate as I explained before in an example.For example in the chart you stated,Narayan and Parashuram would hardly be taken as the proper form, as for Gurudevata the correct form is the form of Shiva. So,by the first crieteria Guru in taurus indicates your Guru who may be a worshipper of Shiva (nandi is taurus). Shani dristi or Shukra dristi should be seen whether a specific rupa of a devata is there. Normally, shani dristi will delay or ignore the upadesh of Guru devata, while Shani and Shukra mutual dristi may pose a danger of contacting a Guru who can teach some Pisachi Karna mantras. In this manner we have to carefully blend and seek for the rupas of the Devata. I guess, I should also work more on it:)If by any chance, Shukra or Shani gain the status of Ishta devata then it its mutual infleunce can show Radha. So, be careful, and watch every step and aspect.Best wishesZoran, "kissnab" <kissna wrote:>> Hi Zoran-ji,> > Thanks so much for your reply and clarifying my confusion regarding> Guru Devata. > > I didn't know that Rashi Dristhi had such an impact on determining> Devatas in our chart - be it Ishta, Dharma, or Guru Devata.> > You know in my case, I have BK Jupiter in the 9th house in Taurus,> with Venus (dispositer) in the 5th house in Capricorn, in my Navamsha> chart. BK Jupiter is aspected by an exalted Saturn from the 2nd house> and Venus from the 5th house. Both are rashi dristhis.> > From what I have understood, Saturn's aspect indicates Narayan, while> Venus - being the dispositer and the aspecting planet would indicate> Rishi Parshuram specifically, isn't it? So, is my Guru Devata Rishi> Parshuram? And, may I add that I've always had something, which I> can't explain for Rishi Parshuram - maybe because he was the Guru of> my favorite character from Mahabharata - Karna. > > I'd appreciate your inputs, Zoran-ji. > > Kindly,> > Kissna> > > > > > , "ahimsavm" <ahimsans@> wrote:> >> > Om Namah Shivaya,> > Dear Rafal,> > You are welcome. This is the exact procedure Sanjayji applied in my > > own chart, when teaching me Devata in a chart many years back. His > > prediciton were also correct at that time about my Ketu mahadasha > > and the work for SIVA (Shiva).> > Please, read between the lines.. Same procedure can be applied for > > determination of Istha and other devatas. Sometimes, people just > > take the planet in 12th house from Karakamsa as Ishtadevata. This is > > true, yet, there are other things which can dominate, and one has to > > use common sense in that. Actuaylly, even rashi dristis of ketu and > > other planets simultaniously become more important than placement of > > a planet at a time, since such combination imbibe the blessings of > > Pratyadhi devata. Sometimes, malefic planets as Ishta devata show > > the obstacles in one's meditation, so a person in the first step > > dislikes the worship of Devata. In such cases, benefic infleunces > > can remove the block and reveal the true rupa of a Devata in the > > longer run. Hope this will help> > Best wishes> > Zoran Radosavljevic> > www.siva-edu. info> > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > > > wrote:> > >> > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar> > > *> > > Thankyou.> > > *> > > Regards,> > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > www: http://rohinaa. com / email: rafal@> > > > > > ahimsavm pisze:> > > >> > > > Om Namah Shivaya,> > > > Dear Rafal Namaskar,> > > > Sorry, I was taught by Sanjayji exactly what I said in my > > mail.What> > > > you state is a correct, but this is the first step. There are > > much> > > > more to Bhatrikaraka.> > > > Best wishes> > > > Zoran Radosavljevic> > > > www.siva-edu. info> > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ >> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar> > > > >> > > > > Normally the rules are that we take the exact BK Graha if > > there is> > > > no> > > > > yuti in D9.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> / email: rafal@> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ahimsavm pisze:> > > > > >> > > > > > Om namah Shivaya,> > > > > > Gurudevata can be seen in a planet conjoining Bhatrikaraka> > > > planet in> > > > > > navamsa chart. IF there are no conjunction, see Rashi > > dristi. If> > > > there> > > > > > are non, then take the sign and lord of Bhatrikaraka sign in> > > > navamsa.> > > > > > Now, I will add you a few rules for Gurudevata.> > > > > > 1. If guru devata is in Trines To Navamsa Lagna, you will be > > a> > > > gyani> > > > > > Yogi.> > > > > > 2. IF it is in 11th from the Moon in Navamsa, then real> > > > protection of> > > > > > Shiva is there> > > > > > Nice rules:)> > > > > > Best wishes> > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic> > > > > > www.siva-edu. info> > > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, "kissnab" <kissna@>> > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Okay, hi everybody here,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I'd like to ask a question about Guru Devata.....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Do you find Guru Devata from the Bhratrikaraka planet or > > from> > > > the> > > > > > > ruler of the sign occupied by the Bhratrikaraka in Navamsha> > > > chart?> > > > > > > Suppose, Moon is the Bhratrikaraka planet and occupying> > > > Capricorn in> > > > > > > Navamsha, would the Guru Devata be related to Moon or > > Saturn?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Kissna> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ----------> > > > -------> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com <http://www.avg. com>> > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release > > Date:> > > > 2008-11-01 19:56> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----> > -------> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release > > 2008-11-01 19:56> > > >> > > >> > >> >> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Namskar Zoran can you guide me if chander is BK in navmansh lagna aspected by rahu and ketu only by rashi dristi .. what rupa we should take as guru devta .. regard , " ahimsavm " <ahimsans wrote: > > Om Namah Shivaya, > First, I need to clarify again:) > 1. For Gurudevata always choose the form of SHIVA. He is Parameshti > Guru. > 2. For Ishta Devata it can be of any form, but prefer Vishnu > 3. For Dharma Devata prefer Vishnu as well > 4. For Palan Devata choose the form of Devi. > Now, NORMAL PROCEDURE IS> > 1. Take the form of a graha which IS placed in a house > 2. priority is to take the lord if house is empty > 3. Priority is to take planets aspecting by rashi dristi > Now, after you selected planets, there comes a procedure, where one > has to blend the infleunces see the specific forms, dashas etc, and > which planets and forms are a better candidate as I explained before > in an example. > For example in the chart you stated,Narayan and Parashuram would > hardly be taken as the proper form, as for Gurudevata the correct > form is the form of Shiva. So,by the first crieteria Guru in taurus > indicates your Guru who may be a worshipper of Shiva (nandi is > taurus). Shani dristi or Shukra dristi should be seen whether a > specific rupa of a devata is there. Normally, shani dristi will > delay or ignore the upadesh of Guru devata, while Shani and Shukra > mutual dristi may pose a danger of contacting a Guru who can teach > some Pisachi Karna mantras. In this manner we have to carefully > blend and seek for the rupas of the Devata. I guess, I should also > work more on it:)If by any chance, Shukra or Shani gain the status > of Ishta devata then it its mutual infleunce can show Radha. So, be > careful, and watch every step and aspect. > Best wishes > Zoran > > , " kissnab " <kissna@> wrote: > > > > Hi Zoran-ji, > > > > Thanks so much for your reply and clarifying my confusion regarding > > Guru Devata. > > > > I didn't know that Rashi Dristhi had such an impact on determining > > Devatas in our chart - be it Ishta, Dharma, or Guru Devata. > > > > You know in my case, I have BK Jupiter in the 9th house in Taurus, > > with Venus (dispositer) in the 5th house in Capricorn, in my > Navamsha > > chart. BK Jupiter is aspected by an exalted Saturn from the 2nd > house > > and Venus from the 5th house. Both are rashi dristhis. > > > > From what I have understood, Saturn's aspect indicates Narayan, > while > > Venus - being the dispositer and the aspecting planet would > indicate > > Rishi Parshuram specifically, isn't it? So, is my Guru Devata Rishi > > Parshuram? And, may I add that I've always had something, which I > > can't explain for Rishi Parshuram - maybe because he was the Guru > of > > my favorite character from Mahabharata - Karna. > > > > I'd appreciate your inputs, Zoran-ji. > > > > Kindly, > > > > Kissna > > > > > > > > > > > > , " ahimsavm " <ahimsans@> wrote: > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > Dear Rafal, > > > You are welcome. This is the exact procedure Sanjayji applied in > my > > > own chart, when teaching me Devata in a chart many years back. > His > > > prediciton were also correct at that time about my Ketu > mahadasha > > > and the work for SIVA (Shiva). > > > Please, read between the lines.. Same procedure can be applied > for > > > determination of Istha and other devatas. Sometimes, people just > > > take the planet in 12th house from Karakamsa as Ishtadevata. > This is > > > true, yet, there are other things which can dominate, and one > has to > > > use common sense in that. Actuaylly, even rashi dristis of ketu > and > > > other planets simultaniously become more important than > placement of > > > a planet at a time, since such combination imbibe the blessings > of > > > Pratyadhi devata. Sometimes, malefic planets as Ishta devata > show > > > the obstacles in one's meditation, so a person in the first step > > > dislikes the worship of Devata. In such cases, benefic > infleunces > > > can remove the block and reveal the true rupa of a Devata in the > > > longer run. Hope this will help > > > Best wishes > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > www.siva-edu.info > > > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > > > , Rafal Gendarz > <starsuponme@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > > > * > > > > Thankyou. > > > > * > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > > > Dear Rafal Namaskar, > > > > > Sorry, I was taught by Sanjayji exactly what I said in my > > > mail.What > > > > > you state is a correct, but this is the first step. There > are > > > much > > > > > more to Bhatrikaraka. > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > > www.siva-edu.info > > > > > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Rafal Gendarz > > > <starsuponme@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > Normally the rules are that we take the exact BK Graha if > > > there is > > > > > no > > > > > > yuti in D9. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: > rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om namah Shivaya, > > > > > > > Gurudevata can be seen in a planet conjoining > Bhatrikaraka > > > > > planet in > > > > > > > navamsa chart. IF there are no conjunction, see Rashi > > > dristi. If > > > > > there > > > > > > > are non, then take the sign and lord of Bhatrikaraka > sign in > > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > Now, I will add you a few rules for Gurudevata. > > > > > > > 1. If guru devata is in Trines To Navamsa Lagna, you > will be > > > a > > > > > gyani > > > > > > > Yogi. > > > > > > > 2. IF it is in 11th from the Moon in Navamsa, then real > > > > > protection of > > > > > > > Shiva is there > > > > > > > Nice rules:) > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > > > > www.siva-edu. info > > > > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, " kissnab " > <kissna@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, hi everybody here, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to ask a question about Guru Devata..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you find Guru Devata from the Bhratrikaraka planet > or > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > > > ruler of the sign occupied by the Bhratrikaraka in > Navamsha > > > > > chart? > > > > > > > > Suppose, Moon is the Bhratrikaraka planet and occupying > > > > > Capricorn in > > > > > > > > Navamsha, would the Guru Devata be related to Moon or > > > Saturn? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kissna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ > - > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> > > > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - > Release > > > Date: > > > > > 2008-11-01 19:56 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------- > ---- > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release > Date: > > > 2008-11-01 19:56 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Om Gurave Namah Dear Zoran, Namaste From your email: Now, NORMAL PROCEDURE IS>1. Take the form of a graha which IS placed in a house2. priority is to take the lord if house is empty3. Priority is to take planets aspecting by rashi dristi And from another email you also sent earlier in this thread: Gurudevata can be seen in a planet conjoining Bhatrikaraka planet in navamsa chart. IF there are no conjunction, see Rashi dristi. If there are non, then take the sign and lord of Bhatrikaraka sign in navamsa. So at the end, what is the procedure? Regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat --- On Mon, 11/3/08, ahimsavm <ahimsans wrote ahimsavm <ahimsans[Om Krishna Guru] Re: Guru Devata Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 9:09 PM Om Namah Shivaya,First, I need to clarify again:)1. For Gurudevata always choose the form of SHIVA. He is Parameshti Guru.2. For Ishta Devata it can be of any form, but prefer Vishnu3. For Dharma Devata prefer Vishnu as well4. For Palan Devata choose the form of Devi.Now, NORMAL PROCEDURE IS>1. Take the form of a graha which IS placed in a house2. priority is to take the lord if house is empty3. Priority is to take planets aspecting by rashi dristiNow, after you selected planets, there comes a procedure, where one has to blend the infleunces see the specific forms, dashas etc, and which planets and forms are a better candidate as I explained before in an example.For example in the chart you stated,Narayan and Parashuram would hardly be taken as the proper form, as for Gurudevata the correct form is the form of Shiva. So,by the first crieteria Guru in taurus indicates your Guru who may be a worshipper of Shiva (nandi is taurus). Shani dristi or Shukra dristi should be seen whether a specific rupa of a devata is there. Normally, shani dristi will delay or ignore the upadesh of Guru devata, while Shani and Shukra mutual dristi may pose a danger of contacting a Guru who can teach some Pisachi Karna mantras. In this manner we have to carefully blend and seek for the rupas of the Devata. I guess, I should also work more on it:)If by any chance, Shukra or Shani gain the status of Ishta devata then it its mutual infleunce can show Radha. So, be careful, and watch every step and aspect.Best wishesZoran, "kissnab" <kissna wrote:>> Hi Zoran-ji,> > Thanks so much for your reply and clarifying my confusion regarding> Guru Devata. > > I didn't know that Rashi Dristhi had such an impact on determining> Devatas in our chart - be it Ishta, Dharma, or Guru Devata.> > You know in my case, I have BK Jupiter in the 9th house in Taurus,> with Venus (dispositer) in the 5th house in Capricorn, in my Navamsha> chart. BK Jupiter is aspected by an exalted Saturn from the 2nd house> and Venus from the 5th house. Both are rashi dristhis.> > From what I have understood, Saturn's aspect indicates Narayan, while> Venus - being the dispositer and the aspecting planet would indicate> Rishi Parshuram specifically, isn't it? So, is my Guru Devata Rishi> Parshuram? And, may I add that I've always had something, which I> can't explain for Rishi Parshuram - maybe because he was the Guru of> my favorite character from Mahabharata - Karna. > > I'd appreciate your inputs, Zoran-ji. > > Kindly,> > Kissna> > > > > > , "ahimsavm" <ahimsans@> wrote:> >> > Om Namah Shivaya,> > Dear Rafal,> > You are welcome. This is the exact procedure Sanjayji applied in my > > own chart, when teaching me Devata in a chart many years back. His > > prediciton were also correct at that time about my Ketu mahadasha > > and the work for SIVA (Shiva).> > Please, read between the lines.. Same procedure can be applied for > > determination of Istha and other devatas. Sometimes, people just > > take the planet in 12th house from Karakamsa as Ishtadevata. This is > > true, yet, there are other things which can dominate, and one has to > > use common sense in that. Actuaylly, even rashi dristis of ketu and > > other planets simultaniously become more important than placement of > > a planet at a time, since such combination imbibe the blessings of > > Pratyadhi devata. Sometimes, malefic planets as Ishta devata show > > the obstacles in one's meditation, so a person in the first step > > dislikes the worship of Devata. In such cases, benefic infleunces > > can remove the block and reveal the true rupa of a Devata in the > > longer run. Hope this will help> > Best wishes> > Zoran Radosavljevic> > www.siva-edu. info> > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > > > wrote:> > >> > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar> > > *> > > Thankyou.> > > *> > > Regards,> > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > www: http://rohinaa. com / email: rafal@> > > > > > ahimsavm pisze:> > > >> > > > Om Namah Shivaya,> > > > Dear Rafal Namaskar,> > > > Sorry, I was taught by Sanjayji exactly what I said in my > > mail.What> > > > you state is a correct, but this is the first step. There are > > much> > > > more to Bhatrikaraka.> > > > Best wishes> > > > Zoran Radosavljevic> > > > www.siva-edu. info> > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ >> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar> > > > >> > > > > Normally the rules are that we take the exact BK Graha if > > there is> > > > no> > > > > yuti in D9.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> / email: rafal@> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ahimsavm pisze:> > > > > >> > > > > > Om namah Shivaya,> > > > > > Gurudevata can be seen in a planet conjoining Bhatrikaraka> > > > planet in> > > > > > navamsa chart. IF there are no conjunction, see Rashi > > dristi. If> > > > there> > > > > > are non, then take the sign and lord of Bhatrikaraka sign in> > > > navamsa.> > > > > > Now, I will add you a few rules for Gurudevata.> > > > > > 1. If guru devata is in Trines To Navamsa Lagna, you will be > > a> > > > gyani> > > > > > Yogi.> > > > > > 2. IF it is in 11th from the Moon in Navamsa, then real> > > > protection of> > > > > > Shiva is there> > > > > > Nice rules:)> > > > > > Best wishes> > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic> > > > > > www.siva-edu. info> > > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, "kissnab" <kissna@>> > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Okay, hi everybody here,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I'd like to ask a question about Guru Devata.....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Do you find Guru Devata from the Bhratrikaraka planet or > > from> > > > the> > > > > > > ruler of the sign occupied by the Bhratrikaraka in Navamsha> > > > chart?> > > > > > > Suppose, Moon is the Bhratrikaraka planet and occupying> > > > Capricorn in> > > > > > > Navamsha, would the Guru Devata be related to Moon or > > Saturn?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Kissna> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ----------> > > > -------> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com <http://www.avg. com>> > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release > > Date:> > > > 2008-11-01 19:56> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----> > -------> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release > > 2008-11-01 19:56> > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Maja, Namaskar. The reason for the complex procedure given by Zoki, is that the choice of Devata can depend on factors such as 1) Bhakti (Ketu), 2) Spiritual path (fourth house), 3) Guropadesa (Bhratrikaraka) and finally ALSO dasa's, which however give more temporary results, but can indicate a pull from one type of worship to another, i.e. a persons change of path is also indicated by Dasas. Take the chart of Swami Vivekananda. His Ishta Devata is seen from Jupiter is Scorpio in Navamsa Lagna, and he used to belong to the Brahma Samaj wherein which they believe that God is formless (very Jupiterian ideal). Now see that Ketu aspects his Jupiter so he has great faith in this path. Also see that the fourth lords are Saturn and Rahu and Rahu aspecting the 12th from Karakamsa can indicate Durga worship coming up through a path, i.e. his Guru (Rahu also aspects Bhratrikaraka) was a great devi Bhakta, and he met his Guru during Rahu mahadasa! Further, the lord of the 12th from Karakamsa is joined Saturn (again fourth lord indicating path) and is also aspected by Ketu (Bhakti), and this is furthermore joined the Bhratrikaraka (Guru is God). Jupiter has graha dristi on both these grahas in Taurus and one year after Jupiter Mahadasa started Vivekananda took his Gurus teachings to the west and also established his Guru's ashram. Further, it has been researched and inferred by some scholars that Swami Vivekananda actually worshipped his own Guru (Sri Ramakrishna) with a mantra (Guru as Ishta, but also lord is joined Bhratrikaraka). These principles are taught in greater detail during the Maharishi Jaimini course, so I look forward to seeing your application for the same among the current teachers in Serbia. I know that Zoki, Dejana, Marina and Marko have already started teaching the same, so you should starting knocking on the door of Maja Zejak, Maja & Bojan Vidakovic, Zeljko Krgovic & Mladen Lubura whom have all learned the first year (Maja Zejak has also learned the second year) of this course and can teach the same also. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti Maja Å trbac skrev: Om Gurave Namah  Dear Zoran, Namaste  From your email:  Now, NORMAL PROCEDURE IS> 1. Take the form of a graha which IS placed in a house 2. priority is to take the lord if house is empty 3. Priority is to take planets aspecting by rashi dristi And from another email you also sent earlier in this thread:  Gurudevata can be seen in a planet conjoining Bhatrikaraka planet in navamsa chart. IF there are no conjunction, see Rashi dristi. If there are non, then take the sign and lord of Bhatrikaraka sign in navamsa. So at the end, what is the procedure?   Regards, Maja  Hari Om Tat Sat  --- On Mon, 11/3/08, ahimsavm <ahimsans (AT) nadlanu (DOT) com> wrote ahimsavm <ahimsans (AT) nadlanu (DOT) com> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Guru Devata Monday, November 3, 2008, 9:09 PM Om Namah Shivaya, First, I need to clarify again:) 1. For Gurudevata always choose the form of SHIVA. He is Parameshti Guru. 2. For Ishta Devata it can be of any form, but prefer Vishnu 3. For Dharma Devata prefer Vishnu as well 4. For Palan Devata choose the form of Devi. Now, NORMAL PROCEDURE IS> 1. Take the form of a graha which IS placed in a house 2. priority is to take the lord if house is empty 3. Priority is to take planets aspecting by rashi dristi Now, after you selected planets, there comes a procedure, where one has to blend the infleunces see the specific forms, dashas etc, and which planets and forms are a better candidate as I explained before in an example. For example in the chart you stated,Narayan and Parashuram would hardly be taken as the proper form, as for Gurudevata the correct form is the form of Shiva. So,by the first crieteria Guru in taurus indicates your Guru who may be a worshipper of Shiva (nandi is taurus). Shani dristi or Shukra dristi should be seen whether a specific rupa of a devata is there. Normally, shani dristi will delay or ignore the upadesh of Guru devata, while Shani and Shukra mutual dristi may pose a danger of contacting a Guru who can teach some Pisachi Karna mantras. In this manner we have to carefully blend and seek for the rupas of the Devata. I guess, I should also work more on it:)If by any chance, Shukra or Shani gain the status of Ishta devata then it its mutual infleunce can show Radha. So, be careful, and watch every step and aspect. Best wishes Zoran , "kissnab" <kissna wrote: > > Hi Zoran-ji, > > Thanks so much for your reply and clarifying my confusion regarding > Guru Devata. > > I didn't know that Rashi Dristhi had such an impact on determining > Devatas in our chart - be it Ishta, Dharma, or Guru Devata. > > You know in my case, I have BK Jupiter in the 9th house in Taurus, > with Venus (dispositer) in the 5th house in Capricorn, in my Navamsha > chart. BK Jupiter is aspected by an exalted Saturn from the 2nd house > and Venus from the 5th house. Both are rashi dristhis. > > From what I have understood, Saturn's aspect indicates Narayan, while > Venus - being the dispositer and the aspecting planet would indicate > Rishi Parshuram specifically, isn't it? So, is my Guru Devata Rishi > Parshuram? And, may I add that I've always had something, which I > can't explain for Rishi Parshuram - maybe because he was the Guru of > my favorite character from Mahabharata - Karna. > > I'd appreciate your inputs, Zoran-ji. > > Kindly, > > Kissna > > > > > > , "ahimsavm" <ahimsans@> wrote: > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > Dear Rafal, > > You are welcome. This is the exact procedure Sanjayji applied in my > > own chart, when teaching me Devata in a chart many years back. His > > prediciton were also correct at that time about my Ketu mahadasha > > and the work for SIVA (Shiva). > > Please, read between the lines.. Same procedure can be applied for > > determination of Istha and other devatas. Sometimes, people just > > take the planet in 12th house from Karakamsa as Ishtadevata. This is > > true, yet, there are other things which can dominate, and one has to > > use common sense in that. Actuaylly, even rashi dristis of ketu and > > other planets simultaniously become more important than placement of > > a planet at a time, since such combination imbibe the blessings of > > Pratyadhi devata. Sometimes, malefic planets as Ishta devata show > > the obstacles in one's meditation, so a person in the first step > > dislikes the worship of Devata. In such cases, benefic infleunces > > can remove the block and reveal the true rupa of a Devata in the > > longer run. Hope this will help > > Best wishes > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > www.siva-edu. info > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > > * > > > Thankyou. > > > * > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > www: http://rohinaa. com / email: rafal@ > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > > Dear Rafal Namaskar, > > > > Sorry, I was taught by Sanjayji exactly what I said in my > > mail.What > > > > you state is a correct, but this is the first step. There are > > much > > > > more to Bhatrikaraka. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > www.siva-edu. info > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > Normally the rules are that we take the exact BK Graha if > > there is > > > > no > > > > > yuti in D9. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Om namah Shivaya, > > > > > > Gurudevata can be seen in a planet conjoining Bhatrikaraka > > > > planet in > > > > > > navamsa chart. IF there are no conjunction, see Rashi > > dristi. If > > > > there > > > > > > are non, then take the sign and lord of Bhatrikaraka sign in > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > Now, I will add you a few rules for Gurudevata. > > > > > > 1. If guru devata is in Trines To Navamsa Lagna, you will be > > a > > > > gyani > > > > > > Yogi. > > > > > > 2. IF it is in 11th from the Moon in Navamsa, then real > > > > protection of > > > > > > Shiva is there > > > > > > Nice rules:) > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > > > www.siva-edu. info > > > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, "kissnab" <kissna@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, hi everybody here, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to ask a question about Guru Devata..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you find Guru Devata from the Bhratrikaraka planet or > > from > > > > the > > > > > > > ruler of the sign occupied by the Bhratrikaraka in Navamsha > > > > chart? > > > > > > > Suppose, Moon is the Bhratrikaraka planet and occupying > > > > Capricorn in > > > > > > > Navamsha, would the Guru Devata be related to Moon or > > Saturn? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kissna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com <http://www.avg. com> > > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release > > Date: > > > > 2008-11-01 19:56 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - ---- > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release > > 2008-11-01 19:56 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Om Gurave Namah Dear Visti Ji, Namaste After reading your detailed, concrete explanation and concrete example analyzed from all given angles it is more than clear what steps are to be taken. Regarding second part of your email- I was reading it once... then second time... then I took my eyeglasses... and read it few more times just to be sure that what I am reading is really there. First time you were mentioning possibility of this option was two months ago, and I sad to my self "Hold the fireworks". I kind of learned not to make too much of noise in advance... You mentioning this option again, sound like after two years of "blood, sweat, tears and nervous breakdowns" learning on my own, there will be a reason for that fireworks after all... But let me hold it until I get a YES reply. This still sounds too easy comparing to what I am used to. You can, of course, look forward in advance. You will see that application, be sure that you will. Let me see... Ketu MD, Sani AD at the moment... you know, my BK Sy is joined with Sani in 9th bhava in my Navamsa... maybe there will be some fireworks... Oh, Sy pratyanatar from 12th of December... Vimsottari itself seems very nice... Thank you very much for your reply. Warm Regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Visti Larsen <visti wrote: Visti Larsen <vistiRe: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Guru Devata Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 12:47 AM हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£Dear Maja, Namaskar.The reason for the complex procedure given by Zoki, is that the choice of Devata can depend on factors such as 1) Bhakti (Ketu), 2) Spiritual path (fourth house), 3) Guropadesa (Bhratrikaraka) and finally ALSO dasa's, which however give more temporary results, but can indicate a pull from one type of worship to another, i.e. a persons change of path is also indicated by Dasas.Take the chart of Swami Vivekananda. His Ishta Devata is seen from Jupiter is Scorpio in Navamsa Lagna, and he used to belong to the Brahma Samaj wherein which they believe that God is formless (very Jupiterian ideal). Now see that Ketu aspects his Jupiter so he has great faith in this path. Also see that the fourth lords are Saturn and Rahu and Rahu aspecting the 12th from Karakamsa can indicate Durga worship coming up through a path, i.e. his Guru (Rahu also aspects Bhratrikaraka) was a great devi Bhakta, and he met his Guru during Rahu mahadasa!Further, the lord of the 12th from Karakamsa is joined Saturn (again fourth lord indicating path) and is also aspected by Ketu (Bhakti), and this is furthermore joined the Bhratrikaraka (Guru is God).Jupiter has graha dristi on both these grahas in Taurus and one year after Jupiter Mahadasa started Vivekananda took his Gurus teachings to the west and also established his Guru's ashram.Further, it has been researched and inferred by some scholars that Swami Vivekananda actually worshipped his own Guru (Sri Ramakrishna) with a mantra (Guru as Ishta, but also lord is joined Bhratrikaraka) .These principles are taught in greater detail during the Maharishi Jaimini course, so I look forward to seeing your application for the same among the current teachers in Serbia. I know that Zoki, Dejana, Marina and Marko have already started teaching the same, so you should starting knocking on the door of Maja Zejak, Maja & Bojan Vidakovic, Zeljko Krgovic & Mladen Lubura whom have all learned the first year (Maja Zejak has also learned the second year) of this course and can teach the same also.Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen------------ --------- --------- --------- ----www: http://srigaruda. com@: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com Maja Å trbac skrev: Om Gurave Namah Dear Zoran, Namaste From your email: Now, NORMAL PROCEDURE IS>1. Take the form of a graha which IS placed in a house2. priority is to take the lord if house is empty3. Priority is to take planets aspecting by rashi dristi And from another email you also sent earlier in this thread: Gurudevata can be seen in a planet conjoining Bhatrikaraka planet in navamsa chart. IF there are no conjunction, see Rashi dristi. If there are non, then take the sign and lord of Bhatrikaraka sign in navamsa. So at the end, what is the procedure? Regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat --- On Mon, 11/3/08, ahimsavm <ahimsans (AT) nadlanu (DOT) com> wrote ahimsavm <ahimsans (AT) nadlanu (DOT) com>[Om Krishna Guru] Re: Guru DevataMonday, November 3, 2008, 9:09 PM Om Namah Shivaya,First, I need to clarify again:)1. For Gurudevata always choose the form of SHIVA. He is Parameshti Guru.2. For Ishta Devata it can be of any form, but prefer Vishnu3. For Dharma Devata prefer Vishnu as well4. For Palan Devata choose the form of Devi.Now, NORMAL PROCEDURE IS>1. Take the form of a graha which IS placed in a house2. priority is to take the lord if house is empty3. Priority is to take planets aspecting by rashi dristiNow, after you selected planets, there comes a procedure, where one has to blend the infleunces see the specific forms, dashas etc, and which planets and forms are a better candidate as I explained before in an example.For example in the chart you stated,Narayan and Parashuram would hardly be taken as the proper form, as for Gurudevata the correct form is the form of Shiva. So,by the first crieteria Guru in taurus indicates your Guru who may be a worshipper of Shiva (nandi is taurus). Shani dristi or Shukra dristi should be seen whether a specific rupa of a devata is there. Normally, shani dristi will delay or ignore the upadesh of Guru devata, while Shani and Shukra mutual dristi may pose a danger of contacting a Guru who can teach some Pisachi Karna mantras. In this manner we have to carefully blend and seek for the rupas of the Devata. I guess, I should also work more on it:)If by any chance, Shukra or Shani gain the status of Ishta devata then it its mutual infleunce can show Radha. So, be careful, and watch every step and aspect.Best wishesZoran, "kissnab" <kissna wrote:>> Hi Zoran-ji,> > Thanks so much for your reply and clarifying my confusion regarding> Guru Devata. > > I didn't know that Rashi Dristhi had such an impact on determining> Devatas in our chart - be it Ishta, Dharma, or Guru Devata.> > You know in my case, I have BK Jupiter in the 9th house in Taurus,> with Venus (dispositer) in the 5th house in Capricorn, in my Navamsha> chart. BK Jupiter is aspected by an exalted Saturn from the 2nd house> and Venus from the 5th house. Both are rashi dristhis.> > From what I have understood, Saturn's aspect indicates Narayan, while> Venus - being the dispositer and the aspecting planet would indicate> Rishi Parshuram specifically, isn't it? So, is my Guru Devata Rishi> Parshuram? And, may I add that I've always had something, which I> can't explain for Rishi Parshuram - maybe because he was the Guru of> my favorite character from Mahabharata - Karna. > > I'd appreciate your inputs, Zoran-ji. > > Kindly,> > Kissna> > > > > > , "ahimsavm" <ahimsans@> wrote:> >> > Om Namah Shivaya,> > Dear Rafal,> > You are welcome. This is the exact procedure Sanjayji applied in my > > own chart, when teaching me Devata in a chart many years back. His > > prediciton were also correct at that time about my Ketu mahadasha > > and the work for SIVA (Shiva).> > Please, read between the lines.. Same procedure can be applied for > > determination of Istha and other devatas. Sometimes, people just > > take the planet in 12th house from Karakamsa as Ishtadevata. This is > > true, yet, there are other things which can dominate, and one has to > > use common sense in that. Actuaylly, even rashi dristis of ketu and > > other planets simultaniously become more important than placement of > > a planet at a time, since such combination imbibe the blessings of > > Pratyadhi devata. Sometimes, malefic planets as Ishta devata show > > the obstacles in one's meditation, so a person in the first step > > dislikes the worship of Devata. In such cases, benefic infleunces > > can remove the block and reveal the true rupa of a Devata in the > > longer run. Hope this will help> > Best wishes> > Zoran Radosavljevic> > www.siva-edu. info> > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > > > wrote:> > >> > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar> > > *> > > Thankyou.> > > *> > > Regards,> > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > www: http://rohinaa. com / email: rafal@> > > > > > ahimsavm pisze:> > > >> > > > Om Namah Shivaya,> > > > Dear Rafal Namaskar,> > > > Sorry, I was taught by Sanjayji exactly what I said in my > > mail.What> > > > you state is a correct, but this is the first step. There are > > much> > > > more to Bhatrikaraka.> > > > Best wishes> > > > Zoran Radosavljevic> > > > www.siva-edu. info> > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ >> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar> > > > >> > > > > Normally the rules are that we take the exact BK Graha if > > there is> > > > no> > > > > yuti in D9.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> / email: rafal@> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ahimsavm pisze:> > > > > >> > > > > > Om namah Shivaya,> > > > > > Gurudevata can be seen in a planet conjoining Bhatrikaraka> > > > planet in> > > > > > navamsa chart. IF there are no conjunction, see Rashi > > dristi. If> > > > there> > > > > > are non, then take the sign and lord of Bhatrikaraka sign in> > > > navamsa.> > > > > > Now, I will add you a few rules for Gurudevata.> > > > > > 1. If guru devata is in Trines To Navamsa Lagna, you will be > > a> > > > gyani> > > > > > Yogi.> > > > > > 2. IF it is in 11th from the Moon in Navamsa, then real> > > > protection of> > > > > > Shiva is there> > > > > > Nice rules:)> > > > > > Best wishes> > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic> > > > > > www.siva-edu. info> > > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, "kissnab" <kissna@>> > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Okay, hi everybody here,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I'd like to ask a question about Guru Devata.....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Do you find Guru Devata from the Bhratrikaraka planet or > > from> > > > the> > > > > > > ruler of the sign occupied by the Bhratrikaraka in Navamsha> > > > chart?> > > > > > > Suppose, Moon is the Bhratrikaraka planet and occupying> > > > Capricorn in> > > > > > > Navamsha, would the Guru Devata be related to Moon or > > Saturn?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Kissna> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ----------> > > > -------> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com <http://www.avg. com>> > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release > > Date:> > > > 2008-11-01 19:56> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----> > -------> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release > > 2008-11-01 19:56> > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Om Namah shivaya, Dear Rajarshi, There is a simple rule, If Lagna lord of rashi chart is strong candidate for Ishta Devata and is debilitated in rashi/navamsa (without neecha bhanga), there can be only one remedy and that is Lord Bhairava. Best wishes Zoran Radosavljevic www.siva-edu.info www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 wrote: > > Dear Zoran > Â > Wonderful mail. Very interesting points youi have mentioned. Will try to apply them in charts. I was wondering is there any combination in a chart to see Bhairava as a deity? As what combination of planets can indicate Lord Bhairava.. > Â > -Regards > Â Rajarshi > > > > " This above all: to thine own self be true! " - Hamlet > > --- On Tue, 4/11/08, ahimsavm <ahimsans wrote: > > ahimsavm <ahimsans > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Guru Devata > > Tuesday, 4 November, 2008, 10:39 AM Om Namah Shivaya, > First, I need to clarify again:) > 1. For Gurudevata always choose the form of SHIVA. He is Parameshti > Guru. > 2. For Ishta Devata it can be of any form, but prefer Vishnu > 3. For Dharma Devata prefer Vishnu as well > 4. For Palan Devata choose the form of Devi. > Now, NORMAL PROCEDURE IS> > 1. Take the form of a graha which IS placed in a house > 2. priority is to take the lord if house is empty > 3. Priority is to take planets aspecting by rashi dristi > Now, after you selected planets, there comes a procedure, where one > has to blend the infleunces see the specific forms, dashas etc, and > which planets and forms are a better candidate as I explained before > in an example. > For example in the chart you stated,Narayan and Parashuram would > hardly be taken as the proper form, as for Gurudevata the correct > form is the form of Shiva. So,by the first crieteria Guru in taurus > indicates your Guru who may be a worshipper of Shiva (nandi is > taurus). Shani dristi or Shukra dristi should be seen whether a > specific rupa of a devata is there. Normally, shani dristi will > delay or ignore the upadesh of Guru devata, while Shani and Shukra > mutual dristi may pose a danger of contacting a Guru who can teach > some Pisachi Karna mantras. In this manner we have to carefully > blend and seek for the rupas of the Devata. I guess, I should also > work more on it:)If by any chance, Shukra or Shani gain the status > of Ishta devata then it its mutual infleunce can show Radha. So, be > careful, and watch every step and aspect. > Best wishes > Zoran > > , " kissnab " <kissna@> wrote: > > > > Hi Zoran-ji, > > > > Thanks so much for your reply and clarifying my confusion regarding > > Guru Devata. > > > > I didn't know that Rashi Dristhi had such an impact on determining > > Devatas in our chart - be it Ishta, Dharma, or Guru Devata. > > > > You know in my case, I have BK Jupiter in the 9th house in Taurus, > > with Venus (dispositer) in the 5th house in Capricorn, in my > Navamsha > > chart. BK Jupiter is aspected by an exalted Saturn from the 2nd > house > > and Venus from the 5th house. Both are rashi dristhis. > > > > From what I have understood, Saturn's aspect indicates Narayan, > while > > Venus - being the dispositer and the aspecting planet would > indicate > > Rishi Parshuram specifically, isn't it? So, is my Guru Devata Rishi > > Parshuram? And, may I add that I've always had something, which I > > can't explain for Rishi Parshuram - maybe because he was the Guru > of > > my favorite character from Mahabharata - Karna. > > > > I'd appreciate your inputs, Zoran-ji. > > > > Kindly, > > > > Kissna > > > > > > > > > > > > , " ahimsavm " <ahimsans@> wrote: > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > Dear Rafal, > > > You are welcome. This is the exact procedure Sanjayji applied in > my > > > own chart, when teaching me Devata in a chart many years back. > His > > > prediciton were also correct at that time about my Ketu > mahadasha > > > and the work for SIVA (Shiva). > > > Please, read between the lines.. Same procedure can be applied > for > > > determination of Istha and other devatas. Sometimes, people just > > > take the planet in 12th house from Karakamsa as Ishtadevata. > This is > > > true, yet, there are other things which can dominate, and one > has to > > > use common sense in that. Actuaylly, even rashi dristis of ketu > and > > > other planets simultaniously become more important than > placement of > > > a planet at a time, since such combination imbibe the blessings > of > > > Pratyadhi devata. Sometimes, malefic planets as Ishta devata > show > > > the obstacles in one's meditation, so a person in the first step > > > dislikes the worship of Devata. In such cases, benefic > infleunces > > > can remove the block and reveal the true rupa of a Devata in the > > > longer run. Hope this will help > > > Best wishes > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > www.siva-edu. info > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > > , Rafal Gendarz > <starsuponme@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > > > * > > > > Thankyou. > > > > * > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > > > Dear Rafal Namaskar, > > > > > Sorry, I was taught by Sanjayji exactly what I said in my > > > mail.What > > > > > you state is a correct, but this is the first step. There > are > > > much > > > > > more to Bhatrikaraka. > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > > www.siva-edu. info > > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz > > > <starsuponme@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > Normally the rules are that we take the exact BK Graha if > > > there is > > > > > no > > > > > > yuti in D9. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> / email: > rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om namah Shivaya, > > > > > > > Gurudevata can be seen in a planet conjoining > Bhatrikaraka > > > > > planet in > > > > > > > navamsa chart. IF there are no conjunction, see Rashi > > > dristi. If > > > > > there > > > > > > > are non, then take the sign and lord of Bhatrikaraka > sign in > > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > Now, I will add you a few rules for Gurudevata. > > > > > > > 1. If guru devata is in Trines To Navamsa Lagna, you > will be > > > a > > > > > gyani > > > > > > > Yogi. > > > > > > > 2. IF it is in 11th from the Moon in Navamsa, then real > > > > > protection of > > > > > > > Shiva is there > > > > > > > Nice rules:) > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > > > > www.siva-edu. info > > > > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, " kissnab " > <kissna@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, hi everybody here, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to ask a question about Guru Devata..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you find Guru Devata from the Bhratrikaraka planet > or > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > > > ruler of the sign occupied by the Bhratrikaraka in > Navamsha > > > > > chart? > > > > > > > > Suppose, Moon is the Bhratrikaraka planet and occupying > > > > > Capricorn in > > > > > > > > Navamsha, would the Guru Devata be related to Moon or > > > Saturn? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kissna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -- ------- > - > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com <http://www.avg. com> > > > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - > Release > > > Date: > > > > > 2008-11-01 19:56 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ --- - > ---- > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release > Date: > > > 2008-11-01 19:56 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Download prohibited? 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Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Om Namah Shivaya, Dear Maja, I did forgot a planet in yuti, as you noticed well. However, Visti has very well explained my point and the correct procedure. Best wishes Zoran Radosavljevic www.siva-edu.info www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com , Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > > हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ > Dear Maja, Namaskar. > The reason for the complex procedure given by Zoki, is that the choice > of Devata can depend on factors such as 1) Bhakti (Ketu), 2) Spiritual > path (fourth house), 3) Guropadesa (Bhratrikaraka) and finally ALSO > dasa's, which however give more temporary results, but can indicate a > pull from one type of worship to another, i.e. a persons change of path > is also indicated by Dasas. > > Take the chart of Swami Vivekananda. His Ishta Devata is seen from > Jupiter is Scorpio in Navamsa Lagna, and he used to belong to the Brahma > Samaj wherein which they believe that God is formless (very Jupiterian > ideal). Now see that Ketu aspects his Jupiter so he has great faith in > this path. Also see that the fourth lords are Saturn and Rahu and Rahu > aspecting the 12th from Karakamsa can indicate Durga worship coming up > through a path, i.e. his Guru (Rahu also aspects Bhratrikaraka) was a > great devi Bhakta, and he met his Guru during Rahu mahadasa! > Further, the lord of the 12th from Karakamsa is joined Saturn (again > fourth lord indicating path) and is also aspected by Ketu (Bhakti), and > this is furthermore joined the Bhratrikaraka (Guru is God). > Jupiter has graha dristi on both these grahas in Taurus and one year > after Jupiter Mahadasa started Vivekananda took his Gurus teachings to > the west and also established his Guru's ashram. > Further, it has been researched and inferred by some scholars that Swami > Vivekananda actually worshipped his own Guru (Sri Ramakrishna) with a > mantra (Guru as Ishta, but also lord is joined Bhratrikaraka). > > These principles are taught in greater detail during the Maharishi > Jaimini course, so I look forward to seeing your application for the > same among the current teachers in Serbia. I know that Zoki, Dejana, > Marina and Marko have already started teaching the same, so you should > starting knocking on the door of Maja Zejak, Maja & Bojan Vidakovic, > Zeljko Krgovic & Mladen Lubura whom have all learned the first year > (Maja Zejak has also learned the second year) of this course and can > teach the same also. > > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen > ---------- > www: http://srigaruda.com > @: visti > > Maja Å trbac skrev: > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Zoran, Namaste > > > > From your email: > > > > Now, NORMAL PROCEDURE IS> > > 1. Take the form of a graha which IS placed in a house > > 2. priority is to take the lord if house is empty > > 3. Priority is to take planets aspecting by rashi dristi > > > > And from another email you also sent earlier in this thread: > > > > Gurudevata can be seen in a planet conjoining Bhatrikaraka planet > > in navamsa chart. IF there are no conjunction, see Rashi dristi. If > > there are non, then take the sign and lord of Bhatrikaraka sign in > > navamsa. > > So at the end, what is the procedure? > > > > > > Regards, > > Maja > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 11/3/08, ahimsavm /<ahimsans/* wrote > > > > ahimsavm <ahimsans > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Guru Devata > > > > Monday, November 3, 2008, 9:09 PM > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > First, I need to clarify again:) > > 1. For Gurudevata always choose the form of SHIVA. He is Parameshti > > Guru. > > 2. For Ishta Devata it can be of any form, but prefer Vishnu > > 3. For Dharma Devata prefer Vishnu as well > > 4. For Palan Devata choose the form of Devi. > > Now, NORMAL PROCEDURE IS> > > 1. Take the form of a graha which IS placed in a house > > 2. priority is to take the lord if house is empty > > 3. Priority is to take planets aspecting by rashi dristi > > Now, after you selected planets, there comes a procedure, where one > > has to blend the infleunces see the specific forms, dashas etc, and > > which planets and forms are a better candidate as I explained before > > in an example. > > For example in the chart you stated,Narayan and Parashuram would > > hardly be taken as the proper form, as for Gurudevata the correct > > form is the form of Shiva. So,by the first crieteria Guru in taurus > > indicates your Guru who may be a worshipper of Shiva (nandi is > > taurus). Shani dristi or Shukra dristi should be seen whether a > > specific rupa of a devata is there. Normally, shani dristi will > > delay or ignore the upadesh of Guru devata, while Shani and Shukra > > mutual dristi may pose a danger of contacting a Guru who can teach > > some Pisachi Karna mantras. In this manner we have to carefully > > blend and seek for the rupas of the Devata. I guess, I should also > > work more on it:)If by any chance, Shukra or Shani gain the status > > of Ishta devata then it its mutual infleunce can show Radha. So, be > > careful, and watch every step and aspect. > > Best wishes > > Zoran > > > > > > <%40>, " kissnab " <kissna@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Zoran-ji, > > > > > > Thanks so much for your reply and clarifying my confusion regarding > > > Guru Devata. > > > > > > I didn't know that Rashi Dristhi had such an impact on determining > > > Devatas in our chart - be it Ishta, Dharma, or Guru Devata. > > > > > > You know in my case, I have BK Jupiter in the 9th house in Taurus, > > > with Venus (dispositer) in the 5th house in Capricorn, in my > > Navamsha > > > chart. BK Jupiter is aspected by an exalted Saturn from the 2nd > > house > > > and Venus from the 5th house. Both are rashi dristhis. > > > > > > From what I have understood, Saturn's aspect indicates Narayan, > > while > > > Venus - being the dispositer and the aspecting planet would > > indicate > > > Rishi Parshuram specifically, isn't it? So, is my Guru Devata Rishi > > > Parshuram? And, may I add that I've always had something, which I > > > can't explain for Rishi Parshuram - maybe because he was the Guru > > of > > > my favorite character from Mahabharata - Karna. > > > > > > I'd appreciate your inputs, Zoran-ji. > > > > > > Kindly, > > > > > > Kissna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, " ahimsavm " <ahimsans@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > You are welcome. This is the exact procedure Sanjayji applied in > > my > > > > own chart, when teaching me Devata in a chart many years back. > > His > > > > prediciton were also correct at that time about my Ketu > > mahadasha > > > > and the work for SIVA (Shiva). > > > > Please, read between the lines.. Same procedure can be applied > > for > > > > determination of Istha and other devatas. Sometimes, people just > > > > take the planet in 12th house from Karakamsa as Ishtadevata. > > This is > > > > true, yet, there are other things which can dominate, and one > > has to > > > > use common sense in that. Actuaylly, even rashi dristis of ketu > > and > > > > other planets simultaniously become more important than > > placement of > > > > a planet at a time, since such combination imbibe the blessings > > of > > > > Pratyadhi devata. Sometimes, malefic planets as Ishta devata > > show > > > > the obstacles in one's meditation, so a person in the first step > > > > dislikes the worship of Devata. In such cases, benefic > > infleunces > > > > can remove the block and reveal the true rupa of a Devata in the > > > > longer run. Hope this will help > > > > Best wishes > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > www.siva-edu. info > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > > > > > <%40>, Rafal Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > > > > * > > > > > Thankyou. > > > > > * > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com/> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > > > > Dear Rafal Namaskar, > > > > > > Sorry, I was taught by Sanjayji exactly what I said in my > > > > mail.What > > > > > > you state is a correct, but this is the first step. There > > are > > > > much > > > > > > more to Bhatrikaraka. > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > > > www.siva-edu. info > > > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz > > > > <starsuponme@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Normally the rules are that we take the exact BK Graha if > > > > there is > > > > > > no > > > > > > > yuti in D9. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com/> > > <http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com/>> / email: > > rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om namah Shivaya, > > > > > > > > Gurudevata can be seen in a planet conjoining > > Bhatrikaraka > > > > > > planet in > > > > > > > > navamsa chart. IF there are no conjunction, see Rashi > > > > dristi. If > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > are non, then take the sign and lord of Bhatrikaraka > > sign in > > > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > Now, I will add you a few rules for Gurudevata. > > > > > > > > 1. If guru devata is in Trines To Navamsa Lagna, you > > will be > > > > a > > > > > > gyani > > > > > > > > Yogi. > > > > > > > > 2. IF it is in 11th from the Moon in Navamsa, then real > > > > > > protection of > > > > > > > > Shiva is there > > > > > > > > Nice rules:) > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > > > > > www.siva-edu. info > > > > > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, " kissnab " > > <kissna@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, hi everybody here, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to ask a question about Guru Devata..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you find Guru Devata from the Bhratrikaraka planet > > or > > > > from > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > ruler of the sign occupied by the Bhratrikaraka in > > Navamsha > > > > > > chart? > > > > > > > > > Suppose, Moon is the Bhratrikaraka planet and occupying > > > > > > Capricorn in > > > > > > > > > Navamsha, would the Guru Devata be related to Moon or > > > > Saturn? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kissna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ------ --- > > --------- > > - > > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > > <http://www.avg.com/> <http://www.avg. com <http://www.avg.com/>> > > > > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - > > Release > > > > Date: > > > > > > 2008-11-01 19:56 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- > > --------- - > > ---- > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com <http://www.avg.com/> > > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release > > Date: > > > > 2008-11-01 19:56 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Om Namah Shivaya, If Chandra is BK in navamsh Lagna aspected by rahu and ketu by rashi dristi it can mean the following 1. Association of a Guru can change and bless your life completelly.If Guru is strong in your chart and placed in trines to Navamsa Lagna or conjoined your Navamsa Lagna lord, you your self will become a teacher. 2.Ketu dristi on chandra shows Gauri no doubt. Your guru may be associated with worship of the Mother Gauri, or you may be attracted to Shiva-Shakti worship.This will surely happen if 4th lord from Navamsa Lagna is involved. 3. If ketu is well associated with lagna navamsa or 5th house of Navamsa chart, worship of Gauri will give you supreme knowledge of Jyotish, and blessing of Ganesha (her son. In Such case, graha which is dispositor of Ketu will show those people who will take you to your Guru. 4. If surya is in 5th or 11th house from Ketu in Navamsa Chart, if ketu mahadasha comes you will be a lucky one, get the supreme Upadesha and Guru. Best wishes Zoran Radosavljevic www.siva-edu.info www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > > can you guide me if chander is BK in navmansh lagna aspected by rahu > and ketu only by rashi dristi .. what rupa we should take as guru devta .. > > > regard > > > > > , " ahimsavm " <ahimsans@> wrote: > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > First, I need to clarify again:) > > 1. For Gurudevata always choose the form of SHIVA. He is Parameshti > > Guru. > > 2. For Ishta Devata it can be of any form, but prefer Vishnu > > 3. For Dharma Devata prefer Vishnu as well > > 4. For Palan Devata choose the form of Devi. > > Now, NORMAL PROCEDURE IS> > > 1. Take the form of a graha which IS placed in a house > > 2. priority is to take the lord if house is empty > > 3. Priority is to take planets aspecting by rashi dristi > > Now, after you selected planets, there comes a procedure, where one > > has to blend the infleunces see the specific forms, dashas etc, and > > which planets and forms are a better candidate as I explained before > > in an example. > > For example in the chart you stated,Narayan and Parashuram would > > hardly be taken as the proper form, as for Gurudevata the correct > > form is the form of Shiva. So,by the first crieteria Guru in taurus > > indicates your Guru who may be a worshipper of Shiva (nandi is > > taurus). Shani dristi or Shukra dristi should be seen whether a > > specific rupa of a devata is there. Normally, shani dristi will > > delay or ignore the upadesh of Guru devata, while Shani and Shukra > > mutual dristi may pose a danger of contacting a Guru who can teach > > some Pisachi Karna mantras. In this manner we have to carefully > > blend and seek for the rupas of the Devata. I guess, I should also > > work more on it:)If by any chance, Shukra or Shani gain the status > > of Ishta devata then it its mutual infleunce can show Radha. So, be > > careful, and watch every step and aspect. > > Best wishes > > Zoran > > > > , " kissnab " <kissna@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Zoran-ji, > > > > > > Thanks so much for your reply and clarifying my confusion regarding > > > Guru Devata. > > > > > > I didn't know that Rashi Dristhi had such an impact on determining > > > Devatas in our chart - be it Ishta, Dharma, or Guru Devata. > > > > > > You know in my case, I have BK Jupiter in the 9th house in Taurus, > > > with Venus (dispositer) in the 5th house in Capricorn, in my > > Navamsha > > > chart. BK Jupiter is aspected by an exalted Saturn from the 2nd > > house > > > and Venus from the 5th house. Both are rashi dristhis. > > > > > > From what I have understood, Saturn's aspect indicates Narayan, > > while > > > Venus - being the dispositer and the aspecting planet would > > indicate > > > Rishi Parshuram specifically, isn't it? So, is my Guru Devata Rishi > > > Parshuram? And, may I add that I've always had something, which I > > > can't explain for Rishi Parshuram - maybe because he was the Guru > > of > > > my favorite character from Mahabharata - Karna. > > > > > > I'd appreciate your inputs, Zoran-ji. > > > > > > Kindly, > > > > > > Kissna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " ahimsavm " <ahimsans@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > You are welcome. This is the exact procedure Sanjayji applied in > > my > > > > own chart, when teaching me Devata in a chart many years back. > > His > > > > prediciton were also correct at that time about my Ketu > > mahadasha > > > > and the work for SIVA (Shiva). > > > > Please, read between the lines.. Same procedure can be applied > > for > > > > determination of Istha and other devatas. Sometimes, people just > > > > take the planet in 12th house from Karakamsa as Ishtadevata. > > This is > > > > true, yet, there are other things which can dominate, and one > > has to > > > > use common sense in that. Actuaylly, even rashi dristis of ketu > > and > > > > other planets simultaniously become more important than > > placement of > > > > a planet at a time, since such combination imbibe the blessings > > of > > > > Pratyadhi devata. Sometimes, malefic planets as Ishta devata > > show > > > > the obstacles in one's meditation, so a person in the first step > > > > dislikes the worship of Devata. In such cases, benefic > > infleunces > > > > can remove the block and reveal the true rupa of a Devata in the > > > > longer run. Hope this will help > > > > Best wishes > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > www.siva-edu.info > > > > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > > > > , Rafal Gendarz > > <starsuponme@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > > > > * > > > > > Thankyou. > > > > > * > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > > > > Dear Rafal Namaskar, > > > > > > Sorry, I was taught by Sanjayji exactly what I said in my > > > > mail.What > > > > > > you state is a correct, but this is the first step. There > > are > > > > much > > > > > > more to Bhatrikaraka. > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > > > www.siva-edu.info > > > > > > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Rafal Gendarz > > > > <starsuponme@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Normally the rules are that we take the exact BK Graha if > > > > there is > > > > > > no > > > > > > > yuti in D9. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: > > rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om namah Shivaya, > > > > > > > > Gurudevata can be seen in a planet conjoining > > Bhatrikaraka > > > > > > planet in > > > > > > > > navamsa chart. IF there are no conjunction, see Rashi > > > > dristi. If > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > are non, then take the sign and lord of Bhatrikaraka > > sign in > > > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > Now, I will add you a few rules for Gurudevata. > > > > > > > > 1. If guru devata is in Trines To Navamsa Lagna, you > > will be > > > > a > > > > > > gyani > > > > > > > > Yogi. > > > > > > > > 2. IF it is in 11th from the Moon in Navamsa, then real > > > > > > protection of > > > > > > > > Shiva is there > > > > > > > > Nice rules:) > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > > > > > www.siva-edu. info > > > > > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, " kissnab " > > <kissna@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, hi everybody here, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to ask a question about Guru Devata..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you find Guru Devata from the Bhratrikaraka planet > > or > > > > from > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > ruler of the sign occupied by the Bhratrikaraka in > > Navamsha > > > > > > chart? > > > > > > > > > Suppose, Moon is the Bhratrikaraka planet and occupying > > > > > > Capricorn in > > > > > > > > > Navamsha, would the Guru Devata be related to Moon or > > > > Saturn? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kissna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- ---- > > - > > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> > > > > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - > > Release > > > > Date: > > > > > > 2008-11-01 19:56 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ ---- > > ---- > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release > > Date: > > > > 2008-11-01 19:56 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Om Namah Shivaya, I forgot to add that generally Chandra as bhatrukaraka can cause that emotions cloud the approach towards knowledge, so be careful. You will never like to experiment much as far as the knowledge is concerned and will seek a Guru whose teaching was proved and well established. If chandra is in own sign, at least one third of your life will be dedicated towards knowledge. Best wishes Zoran Radosavljevic www.siva-edu.info www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com , " ahimsavm " <ahimsans wrote: > > Om Namah Shivaya, > If Chandra is BK in navamsh Lagna aspected by rahu and ketu by > rashi dristi it can mean the following > 1. Association of a Guru can change and bless your life > completelly.If Guru is strong in your chart and placed in trines to > Navamsa Lagna or conjoined your Navamsa Lagna lord, you your self > will become a teacher. > 2.Ketu dristi on chandra shows Gauri no doubt. Your guru may be > associated with worship of the Mother Gauri, or you may be attracted > to Shiva-Shakti worship.This will surely happen if 4th lord from > Navamsa Lagna is involved. > 3. If ketu is well associated with lagna navamsa or 5th house of > Navamsa chart, worship of Gauri will give you supreme knowledge of > Jyotish, and blessing of Ganesha (her son. In Such case, graha which > is dispositor of Ketu will show those people who will take you to > your Guru. > 4. If surya is in 5th or 11th house from Ketu in Navamsa Chart, if > ketu mahadasha comes you will be a lucky one, get the supreme > Upadesha and Guru. > > Best wishes > Zoran Radosavljevic > www.siva-edu.info > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > > > > can you guide me if chander is BK in navmansh lagna aspected by > rahu > > and ketu only by rashi dristi .. what rupa we should take as guru > devta .. > > > > > > regard > > > > > > > > > > , " ahimsavm " <ahimsans@> wrote: > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > First, I need to clarify again:) > > > 1. For Gurudevata always choose the form of SHIVA. He is > Parameshti > > > Guru. > > > 2. For Ishta Devata it can be of any form, but prefer Vishnu > > > 3. For Dharma Devata prefer Vishnu as well > > > 4. For Palan Devata choose the form of Devi. > > > Now, NORMAL PROCEDURE IS> > > > 1. Take the form of a graha which IS placed in a house > > > 2. priority is to take the lord if house is empty > > > 3. Priority is to take planets aspecting by rashi dristi > > > Now, after you selected planets, there comes a procedure, where > one > > > has to blend the infleunces see the specific forms, dashas etc, > and > > > which planets and forms are a better candidate as I explained > before > > > in an example. > > > For example in the chart you stated,Narayan and Parashuram would > > > hardly be taken as the proper form, as for Gurudevata the > correct > > > form is the form of Shiva. So,by the first crieteria Guru in > taurus > > > indicates your Guru who may be a worshipper of Shiva (nandi is > > > taurus). Shani dristi or Shukra dristi should be seen whether a > > > specific rupa of a devata is there. Normally, shani dristi will > > > delay or ignore the upadesh of Guru devata, while Shani and > Shukra > > > mutual dristi may pose a danger of contacting a Guru who can > teach > > > some Pisachi Karna mantras. In this manner we have to carefully > > > blend and seek for the rupas of the Devata. I guess, I should > also > > > work more on it:)If by any chance, Shukra or Shani gain the > status > > > of Ishta devata then it its mutual infleunce can show Radha. So, > be > > > careful, and watch every step and aspect. > > > Best wishes > > > Zoran > > > > > > , " kissnab " <kissna@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Zoran-ji, > > > > > > > > Thanks so much for your reply and clarifying my confusion > regarding > > > > Guru Devata. > > > > > > > > I didn't know that Rashi Dristhi had such an impact on > determining > > > > Devatas in our chart - be it Ishta, Dharma, or Guru Devata. > > > > > > > > You know in my case, I have BK Jupiter in the 9th house in > Taurus, > > > > with Venus (dispositer) in the 5th house in Capricorn, in my > > > Navamsha > > > > chart. BK Jupiter is aspected by an exalted Saturn from the > 2nd > > > house > > > > and Venus from the 5th house. Both are rashi dristhis. > > > > > > > > From what I have understood, Saturn's aspect indicates > Narayan, > > > while > > > > Venus - being the dispositer and the aspecting planet would > > > indicate > > > > Rishi Parshuram specifically, isn't it? So, is my Guru Devata > Rishi > > > > Parshuram? And, may I add that I've always had something, > which I > > > > can't explain for Rishi Parshuram - maybe because he was the > Guru > > > of > > > > my favorite character from Mahabharata - Karna. > > > > > > > > I'd appreciate your inputs, Zoran-ji. > > > > > > > > Kindly, > > > > > > > > Kissna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " ahimsavm " <ahimsans@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > You are welcome. This is the exact procedure Sanjayji > applied in > > > my > > > > > own chart, when teaching me Devata in a chart many years > back. > > > His > > > > > prediciton were also correct at that time about my Ketu > > > mahadasha > > > > > and the work for SIVA (Shiva). > > > > > Please, read between the lines.. Same procedure can be > applied > > > for > > > > > determination of Istha and other devatas. Sometimes, people > just > > > > > take the planet in 12th house from Karakamsa as Ishtadevata. > > > This is > > > > > true, yet, there are other things which can dominate, and > one > > > has to > > > > > use common sense in that. Actuaylly, even rashi dristis of > ketu > > > and > > > > > other planets simultaniously become more important than > > > placement of > > > > > a planet at a time, since such combination imbibe the > blessings > > > of > > > > > Pratyadhi devata. Sometimes, malefic planets as Ishta devata > > > show > > > > > the obstacles in one's meditation, so a person in the first > step > > > > > dislikes the worship of Devata. In such cases, benefic > > > infleunces > > > > > can remove the block and reveal the true rupa of a Devata in > the > > > > > longer run. Hope this will help > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > > www.siva-edu.info > > > > > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > > > > > , Rafal Gendarz > > > <starsuponme@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > > > > > * > > > > > > Thankyou. > > > > > > * > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > > > > > Dear Rafal Namaskar, > > > > > > > Sorry, I was taught by Sanjayji exactly what I said in > my > > > > > mail.What > > > > > > > you state is a correct, but this is the first step. > There > > > are > > > > > much > > > > > > > more to Bhatrikaraka. > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > > > > www.siva-edu.info > > > > > > > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Rafal Gendarz > > > > > <starsuponme@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Normally the rules are that we take the exact BK Graha > if > > > > > there is > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > yuti in D9. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: > > > rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om namah Shivaya, > > > > > > > > > Gurudevata can be seen in a planet conjoining > > > Bhatrikaraka > > > > > > > planet in > > > > > > > > > navamsa chart. IF there are no conjunction, see > Rashi > > > > > dristi. If > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > are non, then take the sign and lord of Bhatrikaraka > > > sign in > > > > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > > Now, I will add you a few rules for Gurudevata. > > > > > > > > > 1. If guru devata is in Trines To Navamsa Lagna, you > > > will be > > > > > a > > > > > > > gyani > > > > > > > > > Yogi. > > > > > > > > > 2. IF it is in 11th from the Moon in Navamsa, then > real > > > > > > > protection of > > > > > > > > > Shiva is there > > > > > > > > > Nice rules:) > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > > > > > > www.siva-edu. info > > > > > > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, " kissnab " > > > <kissna@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, hi everybody here, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to ask a question about Guru Devata..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you find Guru Devata from the Bhratrikaraka > planet > > > or > > > > > from > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > ruler of the sign occupied by the Bhratrikaraka in > > > Navamsha > > > > > > > chart? > > > > > > > > > > Suppose, Moon is the Bhratrikaraka planet and > occupying > > > > > > > Capricorn in > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha, would the Guru Devata be related to Moon > or > > > > > Saturn? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kissna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------ -- > ---- > > > - > > > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > <http://www.avg.com> > > > > > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - > > > Release > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > 2008-11-01 19:56 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- -- > ---- > > > ---- > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - > Release > > > Date: > > > > > 2008-11-01 19:56 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Dear Zoran Thank you once again for this rule! Your mails on Guru devate are VERY nice and elaborate. Getting to learn a lot of things. If the BK is the same as lagna lord in rasi, and associates with navamsa lagna lord too, plus conjoins natrual jupiter both in rasi and navamsa, can that mean the person will have to teach himself? I have mangal lagna lord in rasi. Managl is also my BK. Both in rasi and navamsa there is mangal with guru in a tight conjunction. In rasi it is in 10th house and navamsa 4th house. Thank you once again for your time and effort in teaching us. -Regards Rajarshi "This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet--- On Wed, 5/11/08, ahimsavm <ahimsans wrote: ahimsavm <ahimsans[Om Krishna Guru] Re: Guru Devata Date: Wednesday, 5 November, 2008, 11:04 AM Om Namah shivaya,Dear Rajarshi,There is a simple rule, If Lagna lord of rashi chart is strong candidate for Ishta Devata and is debilitated in rashi/navamsa (without neecha bhanga), there can be only one remedy and that is Lord Bhairava.Best wishesZoran Radosavljevicwww.siva-edu. infowww.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com, rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Zoran> Â > Wonderful mail. Very interesting points youi have mentioned. Will try to apply them in charts. I was wondering is there any combination in a chart to see Bhairava as a deity? As what combination of planets can indicate Lord Bhairava..> Â > -Regards> Â Rajarshi> > > > "This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet> > --- On Tue, 4/11/08, ahimsavm <ahimsans@.. .> wrote:> > ahimsavm <ahimsans@.. .>> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Guru Devata> > Tuesday, 4 November, 2008, 10:39 AM> > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya,> First, I need to clarify again:)> 1. For Gurudevata always choose the form of SHIVA. He is Parameshti > Guru.> 2. For Ishta Devata it can be of any form, but prefer Vishnu> 3. For Dharma Devata prefer Vishnu as well> 4. For Palan Devata choose the form of Devi.> Now, NORMAL PROCEDURE IS>> 1. Take the form of a graha which IS placed in a house> 2. priority is to take the lord if house is empty> 3. Priority is to take planets aspecting by rashi dristi> Now, after you selected planets, there comes a procedure, where one > has to blend the infleunces see the specific forms, dashas etc, and > which planets and forms are a better candidate as I explained before > in an example.> For example in the chart you stated,Narayan and Parashuram would > hardly be taken as the proper form, as for Gurudevata the correct > form is the form of Shiva. So,by the first crieteria Guru in taurus > indicates your Guru who may be a worshipper of Shiva (nandi is > taurus). Shani dristi or Shukra dristi should be seen whether a > specific rupa of a devata is there. Normally, shani dristi will > delay or ignore the upadesh of Guru devata, while Shani and Shukra > mutual dristi may pose a danger of contacting a Guru who can teach > some Pisachi Karna mantras. In this manner we have to carefully > blend and seek for the rupas of the Devata. I guess, I should also > work more on it:)If by any chance, Shukra or Shani gain the status > of Ishta devata then it its mutual infleunce can show Radha. So, be > careful, and watch every step and aspect.> Best wishes> Zoran> > , "kissnab" <kissna@> wrote:> >> > Hi Zoran-ji,> > > > Thanks so much for your reply and clarifying my confusion regarding> > Guru Devata. > > > > I didn't know that Rashi Dristhi had such an impact on determining> > Devatas in our chart - be it Ishta, Dharma, or Guru Devata.> > > > You know in my case, I have BK Jupiter in the 9th house in Taurus,> > with Venus (dispositer) in the 5th house in Capricorn, in my > Navamsha> > chart. BK Jupiter is aspected by an exalted Saturn from the 2nd > house> > and Venus from the 5th house. Both are rashi dristhis.> > > > From what I have understood, Saturn's aspect indicates Narayan, > while> > Venus - being the dispositer and the aspecting planet would > indicate> > Rishi Parshuram specifically, isn't it? So, is my Guru Devata Rishi> > Parshuram? And, may I add that I've always had something, which I> > can't explain for Rishi Parshuram - maybe because he was the Guru > of> > my favorite character from Mahabharata - Karna. > > > > I'd appreciate your inputs, Zoran-ji. > > > > Kindly,> > > > Kissna> > > > > > > > > > > > , "ahimsavm" <ahimsans@> wrote:> > >> > > Om Namah Shivaya,> > > Dear Rafal,> > > You are welcome. This is the exact procedure Sanjayji applied in > my > > > own chart, when teaching me Devata in a chart many years back. > His > > > prediciton were also correct at that time about my Ketu > mahadasha > > > and the work for SIVA (Shiva).> > > Please, read between the lines.. Same procedure can be applied > for > > > determination of Istha and other devatas. Sometimes, people just > > > take the planet in 12th house from Karakamsa as Ishtadevata. > This is > > > true, yet, there are other things which can dominate, and one > has to > > > use common sense in that. Actuaylly, even rashi dristis of ketu > and > > > other planets simultaniously become more important than > placement of > > > a planet at a time, since such combination imbibe the blessings > of > > > Pratyadhi devata. Sometimes, malefic planets as Ishta devata > show > > > the obstacles in one's meditation, so a person in the first step > > > dislikes the worship of Devata. In such cases, benefic > infleunces > > > can remove the block and reveal the true rupa of a Devata in the > > > longer run. Hope this will help> > > Best wishes> > > Zoran Radosavljevic> > > www.siva-edu. info> > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > , Rafal Gendarz > <starsuponme@ > > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar> > > > *> > > > Thankyou.> > > > *> > > > Regards,> > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > > www: http://rohinaa. com / email: rafal@> > > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze:> > > > >> > > > > Om Namah Shivaya,> > > > > Dear Rafal Namaskar,> > > > > Sorry, I was taught by Sanjayji exactly what I said in my > > > mail.What> > > > > you state is a correct, but this is the first step. There > are > > > much> > > > > more to Bhatrikaraka.> > > > > Best wishes> > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic> > > > > www.siva-edu. info> > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > > > @ . com > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz > > > <starsuponme@ >> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar> > > > > >> > > > > > Normally the rules are that we take the exact BK Graha if > > > there is> > > > > no> > > > > > yuti in D9.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> / email: > rafal@> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ahimsavm pisze:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Om namah Shivaya,> > > > > > > Gurudevata can be seen in a planet conjoining > Bhatrikaraka> > > > > planet in> > > > > > > navamsa chart. IF there are no conjunction, see Rashi > > > dristi. If> > > > > there> > > > > > > are non, then take the sign and lord of Bhatrikaraka > sign in> > > > > navamsa.> > > > > > > Now, I will add you a few rules for Gurudevata.> > > > > > > 1. If guru devata is in Trines To Navamsa Lagna, you > will be > > > a> > > > > gyani> > > > > > > Yogi.> > > > > > > 2. IF it is in 11th from the Moon in Navamsa, then real> > > > > protection of> > > > > > > Shiva is there> > > > > > > Nice rules:)> > > > > > > Best wishes> > > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic> > > > > > > www.siva-edu. info> > > > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, "kissnab" > <kissna@>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Okay, hi everybody here,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I'd like to ask a question about Guru Devata.....> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Do you find Guru Devata from the Bhratrikaraka planet > or > > > from> > > > > the> > > > > > > > ruler of the sign occupied by the Bhratrikaraka in > Navamsha> > > > > chart?> > > > > > > > Suppose, Moon is the Bhratrikaraka planet and occupying> > > > > Capricorn in> > > > > > > > Navamsha, would the Guru Devata be related to Moon or > > > Saturn?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Kissna> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> -> > > > > -------> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com <http://www.avg. com>> > > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - > Release > > > Date:> > > > > 2008-11-01 19:56> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> ----> > > -------> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release > > > > 2008-11-01 19:56> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Download prohibited? 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Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Om Gurave Namah Dear Zoran, Namaste What can I say... I simply bloomed since I got my eyeglasses You would not believe how many Gandanta Dosas and similar I have missed on this list until I got them Rest what I would add about Visti's explanation... (Goodness, I can not resist writing this) I will just take Michal's recent writings in consideration, and... Write what I have on Visti's Facebook profile. Hope you are fine and well. It is very nice to exchange emails with you on this list. (Koristeci engleski jezik nemam nacin da Vam persiram. Samo ne zelim da shvatite ove sale kao da Vas svodim na nivo klinca mojih godina. Daleko od toga. Samo sam htela da Vas razvedrim i nasmejem.) Warm Regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat --- On Tue, 11/4/08, ahimsavm <ahimsans wrote: ahimsavm <ahimsans[Om Krishna Guru] Re: Guru Devata Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 9:40 PM Om Namah Shivaya,Dear Maja,I did forgot a planet in yuti, as you noticed well. However, Visti has very well explained my point and the correct procedure.Best wishesZoran Radosavljevicwww.siva-edu. infowww.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com, Visti Larsen <visti wrote:>> हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£> Dear Maja, Namaskar.> The reason for the complex procedure given by Zoki, is that the choice > of Devata can depend on factors such as 1) Bhakti (Ketu), 2) Spiritual > path (fourth house), 3) Guropadesa (Bhratrikaraka) and finally ALSO > dasa's, which however give more temporary results, but can indicate a > pull from one type of worship to another, i.e. a persons change of path > is also indicated by Dasas.> > Take the chart of Swami Vivekananda. His Ishta Devata is seen from > Jupiter is Scorpio in Navamsa Lagna, and he used to belong to the Brahma > Samaj wherein which they believe that God is formless (very Jupiterian > ideal). Now see that Ketu aspects his Jupiter so he has great faith in > this path. Also see that the fourth lords are Saturn and Rahu and Rahu > aspecting the 12th from Karakamsa can indicate Durga worship coming up > through a path, i.e. his Guru (Rahu also aspects Bhratrikaraka) was a > great devi Bhakta, and he met his Guru during Rahu mahadasa!> Further, the lord of the 12th from Karakamsa is joined Saturn (again > fourth lord indicating path) and is also aspected by Ketu (Bhakti), and > this is furthermore joined the Bhratrikaraka (Guru is God).> Jupiter has graha dristi on both these grahas in Taurus and one year > after Jupiter Mahadasa started Vivekananda took his Gurus teachings to > the west and also established his Guru's ashram.> Further, it has been researched and inferred by some scholars that Swami > Vivekananda actually worshipped his own Guru (Sri Ramakrishna) with a > mantra (Guru as Ishta, but also lord is joined Bhratrikaraka) .> > These principles are taught in greater detail during the Maharishi > Jaimini course, so I look forward to seeing your application for the > same among the current teachers in Serbia. I know that Zoki, Dejana, > Marina and Marko have already started teaching the same, so you should > starting knocking on the door of Maja Zejak, Maja & Bojan Vidakovic, > Zeljko Krgovic & Mladen Lubura whom have all learned the first year > (Maja Zejak has also learned the second year) of this course and can > teach the same also.> > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen> ------------ --------- --------- --------- ----> www: http://srigaruda. com> @: visti > Maja Å trbac skrev:> >> > Om Gurave Namah> > > > Dear Zoran, Namaste> > > > From your email:> > > > Now, NORMAL PROCEDURE IS>> > 1. Take the form of a graha which IS placed in a house> > 2. priority is to take the lord if house is empty> > 3. Priority is to take planets aspecting by rashi dristi> >> > And from another email you also sent earlier in this thread:> > > > Gurudevata can be seen in a planet conjoining Bhatrikaraka planet > > in navamsa chart. IF there are no conjunction, see Rashi dristi. If > > there are non, then take the sign and lord of Bhatrikaraka sign in > > navamsa.> > So at the end, what is the procedure?> > > > > > Regards,> > Maja> > > > Hari Om Tat Sat> > > >> > --- On *Mon, 11/3/08, ahimsavm /<ahimsans@. ..>/* wrote> >> > ahimsavm <ahimsans@.. .>> > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Guru Devata> > > > Monday, November 3, 2008, 9:09 PM> >> > Om Namah Shivaya,> > First, I need to clarify again:)> > 1. For Gurudevata always choose the form of SHIVA. He is Parameshti> > Guru.> > 2. For Ishta Devata it can be of any form, but prefer Vishnu> > 3. For Dharma Devata prefer Vishnu as well> > 4. For Palan Devata choose the form of Devi.> > Now, NORMAL PROCEDURE IS>> > 1. Take the form of a graha which IS placed in a house> > 2. priority is to take the lord if house is empty> > 3. Priority is to take planets aspecting by rashi dristi> > Now, after you selected planets, there comes a procedure, where one> > has to blend the infleunces see the specific forms, dashas etc, and> > which planets and forms are a better candidate as I explained before> > in an example.> > For example in the chart you stated,Narayan and Parashuram would> > hardly be taken as the proper form, as for Gurudevata the correct> > form is the form of Shiva. So,by the first crieteria Guru in taurus> > indicates your Guru who may be a worshipper of Shiva (nandi is> > taurus). Shani dristi or Shukra dristi should be seen whether a> > specific rupa of a devata is there. Normally, shani dristi will> > delay or ignore the upadesh of Guru devata, while Shani and Shukra> > mutual dristi may pose a danger of contacting a Guru who can teach> > some Pisachi Karna mantras. In this manner we have to carefully> > blend and seek for the rupas of the Devata. I guess, I should also> > work more on it:)If by any chance, Shukra or Shani gain the status> > of Ishta devata then it its mutual infleunce can show Radha. So, be> > careful, and watch every step and aspect.> > Best wishes> > Zoran> >> > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, "kissnab" <kissna@> wrote:> > >> > > Hi Zoran-ji,> > >> > > Thanks so much for your reply and clarifying my confusion regarding> > > Guru Devata. > > >> > > I didn't know that Rashi Dristhi had such an impact on determining> > > Devatas in our chart - be it Ishta, Dharma, or Guru Devata.> > >> > > You know in my case, I have BK Jupiter in the 9th house in Taurus,> > > with Venus (dispositer) in the 5th house in Capricorn, in my> > Navamsha> > > chart. BK Jupiter is aspected by an exalted Saturn from the 2nd> > house> > > and Venus from the 5th house. Both are rashi dristhis.> > >> > > From what I have understood, Saturn's aspect indicates Narayan,> > while> > > Venus - being the dispositer and the aspecting planet would> > indicate> > > Rishi Parshuram specifically, isn't it? So, is my Guru Devata Rishi> > > Parshuram? And, may I add that I've always had something, which I> > > can't explain for Rishi Parshuram - maybe because he was the Guru> > of> > > my favorite character from Mahabharata - Karna. > > >> > > I'd appreciate your inputs, Zoran-ji. > > >> > > Kindly,> > >> > > Kissna> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, "ahimsavm" <ahimsans@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Om Namah Shivaya,> > > > Dear Rafal,> > > > You are welcome. This is the exact procedure Sanjayji applied in> > my> > > > own chart, when teaching me Devata in a chart many years back.> > His> > > > prediciton were also correct at that time about my Ketu> > mahadasha> > > > and the work for SIVA (Shiva).> > > > Please, read between the lines.. Same procedure can be applied> > for> > > > determination of Istha and other devatas. Sometimes, people just> > > > take the planet in 12th house from Karakamsa as Ishtadevata.> > This is> > > > true, yet, there are other things which can dominate, and one> > has to> > > > use common sense in that. Actuaylly, even rashi dristis of ketu> > and> > > > other planets simultaniously become more important than> > placement of> > > > a planet at a time, since such combination imbibe the blessings> > of> > > > Pratyadhi devata. Sometimes, malefic planets as Ishta devata> > show> > > > the obstacles in one's meditation, so a person in the first step> > > > dislikes the worship of Devata. In such cases, benefic> > infleunces> > > > can remove the block and reveal the true rupa of a Devata in the> > > > longer run. Hope this will help> > > > Best wishes> > > > Zoran Radosavljevic> > > > www.siva-edu. info> > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz> > <starsuponme@ >> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar> > > > > *> > > > > Thankyou.> > > > > *> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com/> / email: rafal@> > > > >> > > > > ahimsavm pisze:> > > > > >> > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya,> > > > > > Dear Rafal Namaskar,> > > > > > Sorry, I was taught by Sanjayji exactly what I said in my> > > > mail.What> > > > > > you state is a correct, but this is the first step. There> > are> > > > much> > > > > > more to Bhatrikaraka.> > > > > > Best wishes> > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic> > > > > > www.siva-edu. info> > > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>> > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz> > > > <starsuponme@ >> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > > > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Normally the rules are that we take the exact BK Graha if> > > > there is> > > > > > no> > > > > > > yuti in D9.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com/>> > <http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com/>> / email:> > rafal@> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Om namah Shivaya,> > > > > > > > Gurudevata can be seen in a planet conjoining> > Bhatrikaraka> > > > > > planet in> > > > > > > > navamsa chart. IF there are no conjunction, see Rashi> > > > dristi. If> > > > > > there> > > > > > > > are non, then take the sign and lord of Bhatrikaraka> > sign in> > > > > > navamsa.> > > > > > > > Now, I will add you a few rules for Gurudevata.> > > > > > > > 1. If guru devata is in Trines To Navamsa Lagna, you> > will be> > > > a> > > > > > gyani> > > > > > > > Yogi.> > > > > > > > 2. IF it is in 11th from the Moon in Navamsa, then real> > > > > > protection of> > > > > > > > Shiva is there> > > > > > > > Nice rules:)> > > > > > > > Best wishes> > > > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic> > > > > > > > www.siva-edu. info> > > > > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, "kissnab"> > <kissna@>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Okay, hi everybody here,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I'd like to ask a question about Guru Devata.....> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Do you find Guru Devata from the Bhratrikaraka planet> > or> > > > from> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > ruler of the sign occupied by the Bhratrikaraka in> > Navamsha> > > > > > chart?> > > > > > > > > Suppose, Moon is the Bhratrikaraka planet and occupying> > > > > > Capricorn in> > > > > > > > > Navamsha, would the Guru Devata be related to Moon or> > > > Saturn?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Kissna> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------> > ---------> > -> > > > > > -------> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com> > <http://www.avg. com/> <http://www.avg. com <http://www.avg. com/>>> > > > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 -> > Release> > > > Date:> > > > > > 2008-11-01 19:56> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------> > --------- -> > ----> > > > -------> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com <http://www.avg. com/>> > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release> > Date:> > > > 2008-11-01 19:56> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Namskar Zoranyou are right in every thing ................... special your second mail regarding the devotion and lust of Gayna in this life... Good command thanks again regardDeepak--- On Wed, 5/11/08, ahimsavm <ahimsans wrote:ahimsavm <ahimsans[Om Krishna Guru] Re: Guru Devata Date: Wednesday, 5 November, 2008, 11:22 AM Om Namah Shivaya, If Chandra is BK in navamsh Lagna aspected by rahu and ketu by rashi dristi it can mean the following 1. Association of a Guru can change and bless your life completelly. If Guru is strong in your chart and placed in trines to Navamsa Lagna or conjoined your Navamsa Lagna lord, you your self will become a teacher. 2.Ketu dristi on chandra shows Gauri no doubt. Your guru may be associated with worship of the Mother Gauri, or you may be attracted to Shiva-Shakti worship.This will surely happen if 4th lord from Navamsa Lagna is involved. 3. If ketu is well associated with lagna navamsa or 5th house of Navamsa chart, worship of Gauri will give you supreme knowledge of Jyotish, and blessing of Ganesha (her son. In Such case, graha which is dispositor of Ketu will show those people who will take you to your Guru. 4. If surya is in 5th or 11th house from Ketu in Navamsa Chart, if ketu mahadasha comes you will be a lucky one, get the supreme Upadesha and Guru. Best wishes Zoran Radosavljevic www.siva-edu. info www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > can you guide me if chander is BK in navmansh lagna aspected by rahu > and ketu only by rashi dristi .. what rupa we should take as guru devta .. > > > regard > > > > > , "ahimsavm" <ahimsans@> wrote: > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > First, I need to clarify again:) > > 1. For Gurudevata always choose the form of SHIVA. He is Parameshti > > Guru. > > 2. For Ishta Devata it can be of any form, but prefer Vishnu > > 3. For Dharma Devata prefer Vishnu as well > > 4. For Palan Devata choose the form of Devi. > > Now, NORMAL PROCEDURE IS> > > 1. Take the form of a graha which IS placed in a house > > 2. priority is to take the lord if house is empty > > 3. Priority is to take planets aspecting by rashi dristi > > Now, after you selected planets, there comes a procedure, where one > > has to blend the infleunces see the specific forms, dashas etc, and > > which planets and forms are a better candidate as I explained before > > in an example. > > For example in the chart you stated,Narayan and Parashuram would > > hardly be taken as the proper form, as for Gurudevata the correct > > form is the form of Shiva. So,by the first crieteria Guru in taurus > > indicates your Guru who may be a worshipper of Shiva (nandi is > > taurus). Shani dristi or Shukra dristi should be seen whether a > > specific rupa of a devata is there. Normally, shani dristi will > > delay or ignore the upadesh of Guru devata, while Shani and Shukra > > mutual dristi may pose a danger of contacting a Guru who can teach > > some Pisachi Karna mantras. In this manner we have to carefully > > blend and seek for the rupas of the Devata. I guess, I should also > > work more on it:)If by any chance, Shukra or Shani gain the status > > of Ishta devata then it its mutual infleunce can show Radha. So, be > > careful, and watch every step and aspect. > > Best wishes > > Zoran > > > > , "kissnab" <kissna@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Zoran-ji, > > > > > > Thanks so much for your reply and clarifying my confusion regarding > > > Guru Devata. > > > > > > I didn't know that Rashi Dristhi had such an impact on determining > > > Devatas in our chart - be it Ishta, Dharma, or Guru Devata. > > > > > > You know in my case, I have BK Jupiter in the 9th house in Taurus, > > > with Venus (dispositer) in the 5th house in Capricorn, in my > > Navamsha > > > chart. BK Jupiter is aspected by an exalted Saturn from the 2nd > > house > > > and Venus from the 5th house. Both are rashi dristhis. > > > > > > From what I have understood, Saturn's aspect indicates Narayan, > > while > > > Venus - being the dispositer and the aspecting planet would > > indicate > > > Rishi Parshuram specifically, isn't it? So, is my Guru Devata Rishi > > > Parshuram? And, may I add that I've always had something, which I > > > can't explain for Rishi Parshuram - maybe because he was the Guru > > of > > > my favorite character from Mahabharata - Karna. > > > > > > I'd appreciate your inputs, Zoran-ji. > > > > > > Kindly, > > > > > > Kissna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "ahimsavm" <ahimsans@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > You are welcome. This is the exact procedure Sanjayji applied in > > my > > > > own chart, when teaching me Devata in a chart many years back. > > His > > > > prediciton were also correct at that time about my Ketu > > mahadasha > > > > and the work for SIVA (Shiva). > > > > Please, read between the lines.. Same procedure can be applied > > for > > > > determination of Istha and other devatas. Sometimes, people just > > > > take the planet in 12th house from Karakamsa as Ishtadevata. > > This is > > > > true, yet, there are other things which can dominate, and one > > has to > > > > use common sense in that. Actuaylly, even rashi dristis of ketu > > and > > > > other planets simultaniously become more important than > > placement of > > > > a planet at a time, since such combination imbibe the blessings > > of > > > > Pratyadhi devata. Sometimes, malefic planets as Ishta devata > > show > > > > the obstacles in one's meditation, so a person in the first step > > > > dislikes the worship of Devata. In such cases, benefic > > infleunces > > > > can remove the block and reveal the true rupa of a Devata in the > > > > longer run. Hope this will help > > > > Best wishes > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > www.siva-edu. info > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > > > , Rafal Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > > > > * > > > > > Thankyou. > > > > > * > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > > > > Dear Rafal Namaskar, > > > > > > Sorry, I was taught by Sanjayji exactly what I said in my > > > > mail.What > > > > > > you state is a correct, but this is the first step. There > > are > > > > much > > > > > > more to Bhatrikaraka. > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > > > www.siva-edu. info > > > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz > > > > <starsuponme@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Normally the rules are that we take the exact BK Graha if > > > > there is > > > > > > no > > > > > > > yuti in D9. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> / email: > > rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om namah Shivaya, > > > > > > > > Gurudevata can be seen in a planet conjoining > > Bhatrikaraka > > > > > > planet in > > > > > > > > navamsa chart. IF there are no conjunction, see Rashi > > > > dristi. If > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > are non, then take the sign and lord of Bhatrikaraka > > sign in > > > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > Now, I will add you a few rules for Gurudevata. > > > > > > > > 1. If guru devata is in Trines To Navamsa Lagna, you > > will be > > > > a > > > > > > gyani > > > > > > > > Yogi. > > > > > > > > 2. IF it is in 11th from the Moon in Navamsa, then real > > > > > > protection of > > > > > > > > Shiva is there > > > > > > > > Nice rules:) > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > > > > > www.siva-edu. info > > > > > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, "kissnab" > > <kissna@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, hi everybody here, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to ask a question about Guru Devata..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you find Guru Devata from the Bhratrikaraka planet > > or > > > > from > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > ruler of the sign occupied by the Bhratrikaraka in > > Navamsha > > > > > > chart? > > > > > > > > > Suppose, Moon is the Bhratrikaraka planet and occupying > > > > > > Capricorn in > > > > > > > > > Navamsha, would the Guru Devata be related to Moon or > > > > Saturn? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kissna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ----- ---- > > - > > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com <http://www.avg. com> > > > > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - > > Release > > > > Date: > > > > > > 2008-11-01 19:56 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---- > > ---- > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release > > > > > > 2008-11-01 19:56 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Hi Zoran-ji, Wow, your step-by-step procedure is just so on target. And, I'm fascinated to know such invaluable points. Thanks again, Zoran-ji. You know, I've always been interested in Jyotish, Spirituality, and Dharma. I love these discussions and love to share what I know. I'm so keenly interested in tales like Mahabharata and Ramayana, and all those historic classics. But, I haven't really found such group of people yet from whom I can learn and share my experiences. That's the reason I joined this board because people here are so knowledgeable. And, I wanted to try the Guru mantra, so that I can be properly guided in my life. Guru is for guidance and knowledge, and I wanted to try worshiping my Guru. Plus, I have problems with my formal education also, and Guru is for education also, so you know - I wanted to go at the feet of my Guru, but now you told me that I could come across some Gurus who would teach be Black Magic, so I'm scared now. Anyway, Narayan/Parshuram is out of the question since we should look at the specific form of Lord Shiva for Guru Devata. In my case Jupiter as BK in Taurus and aspected by Saturn and Venus would indicate Sambashiva since Jupiter represents Sambashiva. Isn't Lord Bhairav a form of Lord Shiva-ji? Saturn's aspect on Jupiter could also indicate Lord Bhairav, isn't it? Regarding my Ishta Devata, Saturn and Jupiter aren't connected in any form with my Ista Devata - the 12th from Karakamsha. My Karakamsha is in Sagittarius, while Mars is located in the 12th from Karakamsha in Scorpio. Here, following the principles you stated, I'd say my Ista Devata is Shree Narsimha? By the way, Mars is aspected by Venus through sign aspect also. Would this modify my Ishta Devata? I heard that planets cojoining/aspecting the Karakamsha all represent one form of Ista Devata, so in this case - would it be Radha-Narsimha or Laxmi-Narsimha? Furthermore, Jupiter is aspecting Venus, so Jupiter's aspect would represent wisdom and divine, over prosperity and luxury, isn't it? By the way, this is to Visti-ji, I'd like to join this Maharishi Jaimini course too. How can I? Right now, I'm doing my High School Diploma, and I'd like to study Maharishi Jaimini course after I complete my High School Diploma, so is there any specific procedure? Kindly, Kissna , " ahimsavm " <ahimsans wrote: > > Om Namah Shivaya, > First, I need to clarify again:) > 1. For Gurudevata always choose the form of SHIVA. He is Parameshti > Guru. > 2. For Ishta Devata it can be of any form, but prefer Vishnu > 3. For Dharma Devata prefer Vishnu as well > 4. For Palan Devata choose the form of Devi. > Now, NORMAL PROCEDURE IS> > 1. Take the form of a graha which IS placed in a house > 2. priority is to take the lord if house is empty > 3. Priority is to take planets aspecting by rashi dristi > Now, after you selected planets, there comes a procedure, where one > has to blend the infleunces see the specific forms, dashas etc, and > which planets and forms are a better candidate as I explained before > in an example. > For example in the chart you stated,Narayan and Parashuram would > hardly be taken as the proper form, as for Gurudevata the correct > form is the form of Shiva. So,by the first crieteria Guru in taurus > indicates your Guru who may be a worshipper of Shiva (nandi is > taurus). Shani dristi or Shukra dristi should be seen whether a > specific rupa of a devata is there. Normally, shani dristi will > delay or ignore the upadesh of Guru devata, while Shani and Shukra > mutual dristi may pose a danger of contacting a Guru who can teach > some Pisachi Karna mantras. In this manner we have to carefully > blend and seek for the rupas of the Devata. I guess, I should also > work more on it:)If by any chance, Shukra or Shani gain the status > of Ishta devata then it its mutual infleunce can show Radha. So, be > careful, and watch every step and aspect. > Best wishes > Zoran > > , " kissnab " <kissna@> wrote: > > > > Hi Zoran-ji, > > > > Thanks so much for your reply and clarifying my confusion regarding > > Guru Devata. > > > > I didn't know that Rashi Dristhi had such an impact on determining > > Devatas in our chart - be it Ishta, Dharma, or Guru Devata. > > > > You know in my case, I have BK Jupiter in the 9th house in Taurus, > > with Venus (dispositer) in the 5th house in Capricorn, in my > Navamsha > > chart. BK Jupiter is aspected by an exalted Saturn from the 2nd > house > > and Venus from the 5th house. Both are rashi dristhis. > > > > From what I have understood, Saturn's aspect indicates Narayan, > while > > Venus - being the dispositer and the aspecting planet would > indicate > > Rishi Parshuram specifically, isn't it? So, is my Guru Devata Rishi > > Parshuram? And, may I add that I've always had something, which I > > can't explain for Rishi Parshuram - maybe because he was the Guru > of > > my favorite character from Mahabharata - Karna. > > > > I'd appreciate your inputs, Zoran-ji. > > > > Kindly, > > > > Kissna > > > > > > > > > > > > , " ahimsavm " <ahimsans@> wrote: > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > Dear Rafal, > > > You are welcome. This is the exact procedure Sanjayji applied in > my > > > own chart, when teaching me Devata in a chart many years back. > His > > > prediciton were also correct at that time about my Ketu > mahadasha > > > and the work for SIVA (Shiva). > > > Please, read between the lines.. Same procedure can be applied > for > > > determination of Istha and other devatas. Sometimes, people just > > > take the planet in 12th house from Karakamsa as Ishtadevata. > This is > > > true, yet, there are other things which can dominate, and one > has to > > > use common sense in that. Actuaylly, even rashi dristis of ketu > and > > > other planets simultaniously become more important than > placement of > > > a planet at a time, since such combination imbibe the blessings > of > > > Pratyadhi devata. Sometimes, malefic planets as Ishta devata > show > > > the obstacles in one's meditation, so a person in the first step > > > dislikes the worship of Devata. In such cases, benefic > infleunces > > > can remove the block and reveal the true rupa of a Devata in the > > > longer run. Hope this will help > > > Best wishes > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > www.siva-edu.info > > > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > > > , Rafal Gendarz > <starsuponme@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > > > * > > > > Thankyou. > > > > * > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > > > Dear Rafal Namaskar, > > > > > Sorry, I was taught by Sanjayji exactly what I said in my > > > mail.What > > > > > you state is a correct, but this is the first step. There > are > > > much > > > > > more to Bhatrikaraka. > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > > www.siva-edu.info > > > > > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Rafal Gendarz > > > <starsuponme@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > Normally the rules are that we take the exact BK Graha if > > > there is > > > > > no > > > > > > yuti in D9. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: > rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om namah Shivaya, > > > > > > > Gurudevata can be seen in a planet conjoining > Bhatrikaraka > > > > > planet in > > > > > > > navamsa chart. IF there are no conjunction, see Rashi > > > dristi. If > > > > > there > > > > > > > are non, then take the sign and lord of Bhatrikaraka > sign in > > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > Now, I will add you a few rules for Gurudevata. > > > > > > > 1. If guru devata is in Trines To Navamsa Lagna, you > will be > > > a > > > > > gyani > > > > > > > Yogi. > > > > > > > 2. IF it is in 11th from the Moon in Navamsa, then real > > > > > protection of > > > > > > > Shiva is there > > > > > > > Nice rules:) > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > > > > www.siva-edu. info > > > > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, " kissnab " > <kissna@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, hi everybody here, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to ask a question about Guru Devata..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you find Guru Devata from the Bhratrikaraka planet > or > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > > > ruler of the sign occupied by the Bhratrikaraka in > Navamsha > > > > > chart? > > > > > > > > Suppose, Moon is the Bhratrikaraka planet and occupying > > > > > Capricorn in > > > > > > > > Navamsha, would the Guru Devata be related to Moon or > > > Saturn? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kissna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ > - > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> > > > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - > Release > > > Date: > > > > > 2008-11-01 19:56 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------- > ---- > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release > Date: > > > 2008-11-01 19:56 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 Hi Maja, Here is my birth details: Sept 14, 1986 16:39 Kathmandu, Nepal , Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah >  > Dear Kissna, Namaste >  > As per rules given in this thread rasi dristi of exalted Sani would be stronger in your case. However, there is parivartana between Sani and Sukra, so final choice would be Sukra. Sri Parasurama is not to be worshipped when we are choosing Ista devata, as I am so far informed. If this rule also applies when choosing Guru Devata (I must add that I am not sure), choice in your case should probably be made between Mahalakshmi or Hrishikeshaya. >  > In case you are interested in reasons why Sri Parasurama is not to be worshiped I think Zoran Radosavljevic or Rafal Gendarz can give you much better explanation. >  > Hey... can you post us your birth data? I would love to see your D9 " in one peace " >  > Regards, > Maja > >  > Hari Om Tat Sat > > --- On Mon, 11/3/08, kissnab <kissna wrote: > > kissnab <kissna > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Guru Devata > > Monday, November 3, 2008, 4:29 AM Hi Zoran-ji, > > Thanks so much for your reply and clarifying my confusion regarding > Guru Devata. > > I didn't know that Rashi Dristhi had such an impact on determining > Devatas in our chart - be it Ishta, Dharma, or Guru Devata. > > You know in my case, I have BK Jupiter in the 9th house in Taurus, > with Venus (dispositer) in the 5th house in Capricorn, in my Navamsha > chart. BK Jupiter is aspected by an exalted Saturn from the 2nd house > and Venus from the 5th house. Both are rashi dristhis. > > From what I have understood, Saturn's aspect indicates Narayan, while > Venus - being the dispositer and the aspecting planet would indicate > Rishi Parshuram specifically, isn't it? So, is my Guru Devata Rishi > Parshuram? And, may I add that I've always had something, which I > can't explain for Rishi Parshuram - maybe because he was the Guru of > my favorite character from Mahabharata - Karna. > > I'd appreciate your inputs, Zoran-ji. > > Kindly, > > Kissna > > , " ahimsavm " <ahimsans@ .> wrote: > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > Dear Rafal, > > You are welcome. This is the exact procedure Sanjayji applied in my > > own chart, when teaching me Devata in a chart many years back. His > > prediciton were also correct at that time about my Ketu mahadasha > > and the work for SIVA (Shiva). > > Please, read between the lines.. Same procedure can be applied for > > determination of Istha and other devatas. Sometimes, people just > > take the planet in 12th house from Karakamsa as Ishtadevata. This is > > true, yet, there are other things which can dominate, and one has to > > use common sense in that. Actuaylly, even rashi dristis of ketu and > > other planets simultaniously become more important than placement of > > a planet at a time, since such combination imbibe the blessings of > > Pratyadhi devata. Sometimes, malefic planets as Ishta devata show > > the obstacles in one's meditation, so a person in the first step > > dislikes the worship of Devata. In such cases, benefic infleunces > > can remove the block and reveal the true rupa of a Devata in the > > longer run. Hope this will help > > Best wishes > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > www.siva-edu. info > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > > * > > > Thankyou. > > > * > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > www: http://rohinaa. com / email: rafal@ > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > > Dear Rafal Namaskar, > > > > Sorry, I was taught by Sanjayji exactly what I said in my > > mail.What > > > > you state is a correct, but this is the first step. There are > > much > > > > more to Bhatrikaraka. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > www.siva-edu. info > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > Normally the rules are that we take the exact BK Graha if > > there is > > > > no > > > > > yuti in D9. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Om namah Shivaya, > > > > > > Gurudevata can be seen in a planet conjoining Bhatrikaraka > > > > planet in > > > > > > navamsa chart. IF there are no conjunction, see Rashi > > dristi. If > > > > there > > > > > > are non, then take the sign and lord of Bhatrikaraka sign in > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > Now, I will add you a few rules for Gurudevata. > > > > > > 1. If guru devata is in Trines To Navamsa Lagna, you will be > > a > > > > gyani > > > > > > Yogi. > > > > > > 2. IF it is in 11th from the Moon in Navamsa, then real > > > > protection of > > > > > > Shiva is there > > > > > > Nice rules:) > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > > > www.siva-edu. info > > > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, " kissnab " <kissna@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, hi everybody here, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to ask a question about Guru Devata..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you find Guru Devata from the Bhratrikaraka planet or > > from > > > > the > > > > > > > ruler of the sign occupied by the Bhratrikaraka in Navamsha > > > > chart? > > > > > > > Suppose, Moon is the Bhratrikaraka planet and occupying > > > > Capricorn in > > > > > > > Navamsha, would the Guru Devata be related to Moon or > > Saturn? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kissna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com <http://www.avg. com> > > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release > > Date: > > > > 2008-11-01 19:56 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release Date: > > 2008-11-01 19:56 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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