Guest guest Posted January 19, 2001 Report Share Posted January 19, 2001 Dear Luis, Hare Krishna. Jaya Jagannath! (Dear Gurudev, I will also have one little question here for you) Hare Krishna prabhu Yasomatinandana dasa, and the rest of gurus and sishyas:All glories to Srila Prabhupada.All glories to Sri Sri Guru & Gauranga.All glories to Sri Sri Radha-Krishna.Please accept my humble obeisances.Here are the answers... and some doubts.R1. What the article says (page 2), is that Chandra and Surya rulers oversix rasis each, and specially in one, i.e. Karka and Simha. And from them(the Maharaja and the Maharani), planets serves both of them.Then, it could be said (i guess), that Chandra rules too the womanlycharacteristics of the grahas, and Surya rules the manly characteristics. That's o'key. Each of the other 5 planets rules the respective tattwa is a necessary entourage of both King and Queen. It's interesting too, that for the bhoomandala (geocentric view) Surya andChandra has an elliptic and a more and less regular motion, but the rest ofthe grahas has a diferent kind of motion, that is elliptic motion inside anelliptic motion. It is a double movement that is looking from Bhoomi. So,they have to have a double influence in the human affairs. Or, better say,their influence in the human affairs could be seen in two different places.So, it could be said that the planets has two kind of effects in humans: theplace where they are, and the elliptic motion that they follow from aearthly point of view, reflected in the rasis.Any way, are just mental conclusions, worthless.R2. Grahas who are in Uttarayana: Chandra, Guru, Rahu, Sukra and Surya.The rest, i.e. Budha, Kuja, Ketu and Shani, are in Dakshinayana. Pleas supply the chart next time (for me, prefferably in Southern style, in Courier (or so) font right within the body of the message. Anyway, you should determine the declination of the respective planet which is ayana. QUESTION: What is the meaning and the use of the ayana of the planets? If wewere using the Tropical Zodiac, then the ayana, at least for Surya, isimportant for some astrological things, since when Surya is travelling tothe North, it is consider the day of the devas (I have read that in a bookof Vastu Shastra), and when is travelling to the South, it is consider theNight of the devas. But that is for the Tropical Zodiac. And I don't know ifit is the same for the other planets. I don't think so, but could be thesame. Depends of the orbit of them. As I remember it is used in some case of graha-yudha or planetary fights (can please remind which exactly). R3. Chandra is in Uttarayana, because she was in Vrishaba on May 13, 1975.She will go to Dakshinayana on May 18, around 5am GMT. Again look at the declinations. If negative - it is Northen, positive - Southern. And please do supply the chart. R4. I think that there are the bhija mantras who represents the four kindsof the division of Vishnu, explained in the slokas 13-15, first chapter ofthe Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra, i.e. the three powers of Shri Shakti(Sattvaguna), Bhoo Shakti (Rajoguna) and Neela Shakti (Tamoguna); and thefour kind of Vishnu who assumes the form of Aniruddha, Pradyumna andSankarshana with Sattva, Rajas and Tamoguna respectively. I arrive to thisconclussion based in the explanation of Lesson 2 about the four divissionsof the bha-cakra and the kendra rasis. om haum sam jum - this is from Mahamrityunjaya and some other mantra. (Dear GUrudev, can you please again explain the later three bijas) om hrim srim klim - this will do well for the Bhagavan and his three material saktis. R5. I couldn't find any relation. Someone once told me that the relation ofthe days was the distance of the orbits of the planets with the elliptic ofBhoomi, because that is the distance that have to travel de yoguis to reachthem. Then, the closest was Surya, later Candra, and so on in the same orderof the weekdays. I try to verify with the inclination of the orbits andtheir distance with respect of the elliptic, but couldn't find the relationeither. Maybe using the eccentricity, but I just have the eccentricity ofChandra, and no from the other planets.Anyway, I don't understan why in the lesson #3 says that Budha Dweepa iscloser to Bhoomandala that Sukra Dweepa; I guess that it is a mistake. Ifnot, please explain. Do not confuse the 'vertical' distance from the Bhumandala and different planets. In this case that's true that Sun comes first, and Moon further etc. And the Saptadwipas within the plane of Bhu-mandala. It is a different perspective. The planets as revolving globes map into the Jambu, Puskara and other dvipas. This is the correspondence between the astronomical picture we are used to and the description given in the Bhagavatam. The velocities are naturally in reverse proportion to their distance from Earth. So take the sequence of distances in reverse order and starting from Sun, 6 am Local Mean Time, Sunday, every planet will rule next respective hora - through all the week: Sun, Venus, Mercury, Moon, Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Sun, Venus... Every fourth planet will be the ruler of the next vara (check yourself). Look for the hora table somewhere in the filearea. R6. The influence of the drisya rasis, I believe, together with the planetsthat are posited in them, is that they have a mayor influence in the native,that the adrisya rasis and the rest of the planets. I think that I read thatdrisya rasis shows the external relation of the person, and the adrisyarasis the internal feature. Persons who has more planets in drisya rasis areless introverted that those who has more planets in adrisya rasis. The 7th - 12th bhavas from Ascendant are above the horison. So they are visible. Sun is also strong in these having the maximum directional strength at zenith. True, that they stand more for the external affairs of the person, though to drive the conclusion regarding being intro-extra-vertedness would be too simplistic. Material life is a banyan tree and this is well reflected in interrelationships of different elements of the charts - rasis, planets, bhavas, karakas, lagnas, constellations, divisions etc. With the best wishes, Yasomatinandana das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2001 Report Share Posted January 23, 2001 Hare Krishna, prabhu Yasomatinandana dasa. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. All glories to Sri Sri Gaura-Nitay. Please accept my humble obeisances. > > R2. Grahas who are in Uttarayana: Chandra, Guru, Rahu, Sukra and Surya. > The rest, i.e. Budha, Kuja, Ketu and Shani, are in Dakshinayana. > > > Pleas supply the chart next time (for me, prefferably in Southern style, in > Courier (or so) font right within the body of the message. Anyway, you > should determine the declination of the respective planet which is ayana. > I have a confusion. What I understand from the lesson #3, is that the rasis from Simha to Makara are in Dakshinayana, and then the grahas that are in that rasis. Again, the rasis from Kumbha to Karkata are in Uttarayana, and then the grahas that are in that rasis. I was searching, and in the book " Astronomy and Mathematical Astrology " of Deepak Kapoor, says, about ayana bala: <<A planet has north declination if its sayana longitude is between 0º to 180º and has south declination if its sayana longitude is between 180º to 360º.>> In BPHS, for calculating the ayana bala, there is something about kranti. I haven't read the chapter, so I don't know if it is used for determine the declination of the planet or just the ayana bala. And you are saying is that the ayana should be determine by the declination of the respective planet, so I am very confuse; please clarify my mind. The answer that I did was for the next rasi chart, based in what I understand from lesson #3. I have reading two old posts, and both of them understand as I did. [Q2. Determine the ayana of the planets in the horoscope of a native born on 7th August 1963 at 9:15 pm IST at 21N28, 84E01 (Sambalpur, India)] ***************************** * Ju * * * * * La * * * Ra * * * * * * ***************************** * * * Ve * * Mo * * Su * * * * * ******** ******** * * * * * Sa * * Me * * * * * ***************************** * * * * * * Ke * * * Ma * * * * * * ***************************** > R3. Chandra is in Uttarayana, because she was in Vrishaba on May 13, 1975. > She will go to Dakshinayana on May 18, around 5am GMT. > > Again look at the declinations. If negative - it is Northen, positive - > Southern. And please do supply the chart. Here is Chandra: ***************************** * * * Lg * * * * * Mo * * * * * * * ***************************** * * * * * * * * * * * * ******** ******** * * * * * * * * * * * * ***************************** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ***************************** The same doubt. When I said that Chandra will go to Dakshinayana on May 18, around 5am GMT, is because she is entering in Simha rasi (Nirayana). > The velocities are naturally in reverse proportion to their distance from > Earth. I don't know if it is explained in SB, but the order I see is not their distance from Bhoomi but the lenght of their orbit. Thanks a lot. Hare Krishna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2001 Report Share Posted January 26, 2001 Dear Luis, Hare Krishna. Jaya Srila PRbhupada. Jaya Jagannath The comments are below. Hare Krishna, prabhu Yasomatinandana dasa.All glories to Srila Prabhupada.All glories to Sri Sri Gaura-Nitay.Please accept my humble obeisances.> > R2. Grahas who are in Uttarayana: Chandra, Guru, Rahu, Sukra and Surya.> The rest, i.e. Budha, Kuja, Ketu and Shani, are in Dakshinayana.> > > Pleas supply the chart next time (for me, prefferably in Southern style, in > Courier (or so) font right within the body of the message. Anyway, you > should determine the declination of the respective planet which is ayana. > I have a confusion. What I understand from the lesson #3, is that the rasis from Simha to Makara are in Dakshinayana, and then the grahas that are in that rasis. Again, the rasis from Kumbha to Karkata are in Uttarayana, and then the grahas that are in that rasis. To my understanding it is only in the case of the Sun that it's ayana corresponds to this SImha-Makara and Kumbha-Karaka division of the Zodiac. It is not the case with the other planets. So for the Sun to calculate Ayana is easy - for the rest - not so easy. I simply use what the standard Astrological programs give. I did not go into all the mathematics. I was searching, and in the book "Astronomy and Mathematical Astrology" of Deepak Kapoor, says, about ayana bala: <<A planet has north declination if its sayana longitude is between 0º to 180º and has south declination if its sayana longitude is between 180º to 360º.>> In BPHS, for calculating the ayana bala, there is something about kranti. I haven't read the chapter, so I don't know if it is used for determine the declination of the planet or just the ayana bala.And you are saying is that the ayana should be determine by the declination of the respective planet, so I am very confuse; please clarify my mind.The answer that I did was for the next rasi chart, based in what I understand from lesson #3. I have reading two old posts, and both of them understand as I did.[Q2. Determine the ayana of the planets in the horoscope of a native born on 7th August 1963 at 9:15 pm IST at 21N28, 84E01 (Sambalpur, India)] ***************************** * Ju * * * * * La * * * Ra * * * * * * ***************************** * * * Ve * * Mo * * Su * * * * * ******** ******** * * * * * Sa * * Me * * * * * ***************************** * * * * * * Ke * * * Ma * * * * * * *****************************> R3. Chandra is in Uttarayana, because she was in Vrishaba on May 13, 1975.> She will go to Dakshinayana on May 18, around 5am GMT.> > Again look at the declinations. If negative - it is Northen, positive - > Southern. And please do supply the chart.Here is Chandra: ***************************** * * * Lg * * * * * Mo * * * * * * * ***************************** * * * * * * * * * * * * ******** ******** * * * * * * * * * * * * ***************************** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *****************************The same doubt. When I said that Chandra will go to Dakshinayana on May 18, around 5am GMT, is because she is entering in Simha rasi (Nirayana).> The velocities are naturally in reverse proportion to their distance from > Earth. I don't know if it is explained in SB, but the order I see is not their distance from Bhoomi but the lenght of their orbit. Maybe. I simply repeat what was taught in the lesson - in terms of the dvipas. with the best wishes in Krishna conscioiusness, ys yndThanks a lot.Hare Krishna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2001 Report Share Posted January 27, 2001 The question is a twister to see the flexibility of the mind. Ayana Bala is based on declination and the Uttarayana etc are different. You got his right. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - " Luis Ernesto Carrera Retana " <epauli <varahamihira > Wednesday, January 24, 2001 1:38 AM Re: [sri Guru] Assignment Lesson 3 Hare Krishna, prabhu Yasomatinandana dasa. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. All glories to Sri Sri Gaura-Nitay. Please accept my humble obeisances. > > R2. Grahas who are in Uttarayana: Chandra, Guru, Rahu, Sukra and Surya. > The rest, i.e. Budha, Kuja, Ketu and Shani, are in Dakshinayana. > > > Pleas supply the chart next time (for me, prefferably in Southern style, in > Courier (or so) font right within the body of the message. Anyway, you > should determine the declination of the respective planet which is ayana. > I have a confusion. What I understand from the lesson #3, is that the rasis from Simha to Makara are in Dakshinayana, and then the grahas that are in that rasis. Again, the rasis from Kumbha to Karkata are in Uttarayana, and then the grahas that are in that rasis. I was searching, and in the book " Astronomy and Mathematical Astrology " of Deepak Kapoor, says, about ayana bala: <<A planet has north declination if its sayana longitude is between 0º to 180º and has south declination if its sayana longitude is between 180º to 360º.>> In BPHS, for calculating the ayana bala, there is something about kranti. I haven't read the chapter, so I don't know if it is used for determine the declination of the planet or just the ayana bala. And you are saying is that the ayana should be determine by the declination of the respective planet, so I am very confuse; please clarify my mind. The answer that I did was for the next rasi chart, based in what I understand from lesson #3. I have reading two old posts, and both of them understand as I did. [Q2. Determine the ayana of the planets in the horoscope of a native born on 7th August 1963 at 9:15 pm IST at 21N28, 84E01 (Sambalpur, India)] ***************************** * Ju * * * * * La * * * Ra * * * * * * ***************************** * * * Ve * * Mo * * Su * * * * * ******** ******** * * * * * Sa * * Me * * * * * ***************************** * * * * * * Ke * * * Ma * * * * * * ***************************** > R3. Chandra is in Uttarayana, because she was in Vrishaba on May 13, 1975. > She will go to Dakshinayana on May 18, around 5am GMT. > > Again look at the declinations. If negative - it is Northen, positive - > Southern. And please do supply the chart. Here is Chandra: ***************************** * * * Lg * * * * * Mo * * * * * * * ***************************** * * * * * * * * * * * * ******** ******** * * * * * * * * * * * * ***************************** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ***************************** The same doubt. When I said that Chandra will go to Dakshinayana on May 18, around 5am GMT, is because she is entering in Simha rasi (Nirayana). > The velocities are naturally in reverse proportion to their distance from > Earth. I don't know if it is explained in SB, but the order I see is not their distance from Bhoomi but the lenght of their orbit. Thanks a lot. Hare Krishna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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