Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear List Members From time to time, many great personalities are born, Nelson Mandela is one of them. As students of astrologers, we rely on these souls to assist us in our quest to perfect our techniques and improve our skills. Nelson Mandela was recently quoted as 8th greatest all time Politician by one of the USA Media houses, with the No 1 spot to be announced soon – which I think will be Yasser Arafat as he is nowhere on the rest of the top 10 list. The other reason for the importance of this chart, other than Mandela’s greatness for what he has done for South Africa’s liberation which since has been a catalyst of change in the rest of Africa, is that with this Forum being , its fitting that we are able to showcase someone from our shores so that Mandela’s chart can be used in Jyotish books as a case study. I don’t think a detailed Jyotish analysis has ever been done on Mandela, so this may just be a first. Noel Tyl, a western astrologer, on behalf of Astrodatabank, has rectified his birth time to 14:54. With the advanced rectification techniques and skills we have in this forum, we could further attempt at rectifying his birth time or at least the Nav. I have posted the recommended time and attached a biography to assist you all. I am currently searching for dates of his 3 marriages and details of all his children – will post it when I get it Thanks again for participating and look forward to the analysis. Please DO state the obvious as there are some beginners on the forum who can learn. Swee… What do you get for possible Rasi for Lagna using Nasta Jataka Regards Bipin Ps: Birth Data for those that don’t receive attachments Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela DOB: 18 July 1918 Time: 14h54, EET, (GMT +2hrs) no daylight saving Place: Qunu, Umtata, South Africa, 28E37, 31S45 (verified with GPS) Astrodatabank rating = DD ******************************************************************* The e-mail and attachments are confidential and intended only for selected recipients. If you have received it in error, you may not in any way disclose or rely on the contents. You may not keep, copy or distribute the e-mail. Should you receive it, immediately notify the sender of the error and delete the e-mail.Also note that this form of communication is not secure, it can be intercepted, and may not necessarily be free of errors and viruses in spite of reasonable efforts to secure this medium. ******************************************************************* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2005 Report Share Posted June 5, 2005 om namo bhagavate vāsudevāya Dear Bipin It is very difficult for me to accept that the ONLY politician in the world who lived up to satyagraha or the path of truth other than Gandhi should have the atmakaraka Venus in a dusthana from lagna (OK) and navamsa lagna (impossible). This is not acceptable. The time is definitely wrong. Can we have the closest recorded time? Consider this - 1. He was the son of a village (Ketu) chief/king (Venus) and atmakaraka (Venus/King) is conjoined Ketu (village) and should have direct contact with the navamsa lagna - so the navamsa lagna has to be a dual sign. 2. Father died in age 10 in second shoola dasa. Possible lagna in the rasi chart based on this are (1) Sagittarius, (2) Gemini (3) Aries (4) Libra 3. Initiation at 16 in Aquarius Narayana dasa - Aq is 3rd house showing some spiritual initiation, Aq has GL and HL and its lord Saturn is joined the nipuna yoga and dharma-karmadhipati rajayoga in the 8th house (inheritance). [Confirms the possibility of Sagittarius or Gemini Lagna] Dwi-saptati sama dasa (applicable if lagna lord is in 7th or 7th lord is in lagna): Maha Dasas: Sun: 1913-06-16 - 1922-06-16 Moon: 1922-06-16 - 1931-06-17 Mars: 1931-06-17 - 1940-06-16 Merc: 1940-06-16 - 1949-06-16 Jup: 1949-06-16 - 1958-06-17 Ven: 1958-06-17 - 1967-06-17 Sat: 1967-06-17 - 1976-06-16 Rah: 1976-06-16 - 1985-06-17 Please check the other events and get the dasa/antardasa based on Sagittarius lagna, Virgo navamsa lagna - note the tapaswi yoga in trines to the navams alagna in Virgo. The great freedom struggle is among the greaest tapasya seen in the last century. Best wishes Sanjay Rath 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060 India Phone +91-11-25717162, http://srath.com - Bipin Prag [bipin.prag] Wednesday, May 25, 2005 06:31 PM: [Jaya Jagannatha] Nelson Mandela's Chart Jaya Jagannatha Dear List Members From time to time, many great personalities are born, Nelson Mandela is one of them. As students of astrologers, we rely on these souls to assist us in our quest to perfect our techniques and improve our skills. Nelson Mandela was recently quoted as 8th greatest all time Politician by one of the USA Media houses, with the No 1 spot to be announced soon – which I think will be Yasser Arafat as he is nowhere on the rest of the top 10 list. The other reason for the importance of this chart, other than Mandela’s greatness for what he has done for South Africa’s liberation which since has been a catalyst of change in the rest of Africa, is that with this Forum being , its fitting that we are able to showcase someone from our shores so that Mandela’s chart can be used in Jyotish books as a case study. I don’t think a detailed Jyotish analysis has ever been done on Mandela, so this may just be a first. Noel Tyl, a western astrologer, on behalf of Astrodatabank, has rectified his birth time to 14:54. With the advanced rectification techniques and skills we have in this forum, we could further attempt at rectifying his birth time or at least the Nav. I have posted the recommended time and attached a biography to assist you all. I am currently searching for dates of his 3 marriages and details of all his children – will post it when I get it Thanks again for participating and look forward to the analysis. Please DO state the obvious as there are some beginners on the forum who can learn. Swee… What do you get for possible Rasi for Lagna using Nasta Jataka Regards Bipin Ps: Birth Data for those that don’t receive attachments Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela DOB: 18 July 1918 Time: 14h54, EET, (GMT +2hrs) no daylight saving Place: Qunu, Umtata, South Africa, 28E37, 31S45 (verified with GPS) Astrodatabank rating = DD *******************************************************************The e-mail and attachments are confidential and intended only for selected recipients. If you have received it in error, you may not in any way disclose or rely on the contents. You may not keep, copy or distribute the e-mail. Should you receive it, immediately notify the sender of the error and delete the e-mail.Also note that this form of communication is not secure, it can be intercepted, and may not necessarily be free of errors and viruses in spite of reasonable efforts to secure this medium.******************************************************************* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sanjay The only time that I have found recorded is that of 14:54, being a rectification by Noel Tyl. I have made an attempt at calling Mandela's office a while back and the librarian confirmed that many astrologers have called about the same thing and there is no official recorded time and referred me to his village of birth as there are some archives kept at the museum there. Regards Bipin , " Pt. Sanjay Rath " <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > om namo bhagavate v & #257;sudev & #257;yaDear BipinIt is very difficult for me to accept that the ONLY politician in the world who lived up to satyagraha or the path of truth other than Gandhi should have the atmakaraka Venus in a dusthana from lagna (OK) and navamsa lagna (impossible). This is not acceptable. The time is definitely wrong. Can we have the closest recorded time?Consider this -1. He was the son of a village (Ketu) chief/king (Venus) and atmakaraka (Venus/King) is conjoined Ketu (village) and should have direct contact with the navamsa lagna - so the navamsa lagna has to be a dual sign.2. Father died in age 10 in second shoola dasa. Possible lagna in the rasi chart based on this are (1) Sagittarius, (2) Gemini (3) Aries (4) Libra3. Initiation at 16 in Aquarius Narayana dasa - Aq is 3rd house showing some spiritual initiation, Aq has GL and HL and its lord Saturn is joined the nipuna yoga and dharma- karmadhipati rajayoga in the 8th house (inheritance). [Confirms the possibility of Sagittarius or Gemini Lagna]Dwi-saptati sama dasa (applicable if lagna lord is in 7th or 7th lord is in lagna): Maha Dasas: Sun: 1913-06-16 - 1922-06-16 > Moon: 1922-06-16 - 1931-06-17 > Mars: 1931-06-17 - 1940-06-16 > Merc: 1940-06-16 - 1949-06-16 > Jup: 1949-06-16 - 1958-06-17 > Ven: 1958-06-17 - 1967-06-17 > Sat: 1967-06-17 - 1976-06-16 > Rah: 1976-06-16 - 1985-06-17Please check the other events and get the dasa/antardasa based on Sagittarius lagna, Virgo navamsa lagna - note the tapaswi yoga in trines to the navams alagna in Virgo. The great freedom struggle is among the greaest tapasya seen in the last century.Best wishesSanjay Rath 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060 IndiaPhone +91-11-25717162, http://srath.com - ---- Original Message -----Bipin Prag [bipin.prag@l...]SJC- Africa: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 06:31 PM:[Jaya Jagannatha] Nelson Mandela's Chart > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear List Members > > From time to time, many great personalities are born, Nelson Mandela is one of them. As students of astrologers, we rely on these souls to assist us in our quest to perfect our techniques and improve our skills. Nelson Mandela was recently quoted as 8th greatest all time Politician by one of the USA Media houses, with the No 1 spot to be announced soon – which I think will be Yasser Arafat as he is nowhere on the rest of the top 10 list. > > The other reason for the importance of this chart, other than Mandela's greatness for what he has done for South Africa's liberation which since has been a catalyst of change in the rest of Africa, is that with this Forum being , its fitting that we are able to showcase someone from our shores so that Mandela's chart can be used in Jyotish books as a case study. I don't think a detailed Jyotish analysis has ever been done on Mandela, so this may just be a first. > > Noel Tyl, a western astrologer, on behalf of Astrodatabank, has rectified his birth time to 14:54. With the advanced rectification techniques and skills we have in this forum, we could further attempt at rectifying his birth time or at least the Nav. I have posted the recommended time and attached a biography to assist you all. I am currently searching for dates of his 3 marriages and details of all his children – will post it when I get it > > Thanks again for participating and look forward to the analysis. Please DO state the obvious as there are some beginners on the forum who can learn. > > Swee… What do you get for possible Rasi for Lagna using Nasta Jataka > > Regards > > Bipin > > Ps: Birth Data for those that don't receive attachments > > Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela > DOB: 18 July 1918 > Time: 14h54, EET, (GMT +2hrs) no daylight saving > Place: Qunu, Umtata, South Africa, 28E37, 31S45 (verified with GPS) > Astrodatabank rating = DD > > > > ******************************************************************* > > The e-mail and attachments are confidential and intended only for selected recipients. If you have received it in error, you may not in any way disclose or rely on the contents. You may not keep, copy or distribute the e-mail. Should you receive it, immediately notify the sender of the error and delete the e-mail.Also note that this form of communication is not secure, it can be intercepted, and may not necessarily be free of errors and viruses in spite of reasonable efforts to secure this medium. > > ******************************************************************* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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