RE: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For Supriti/Sharat

August 30, 2007

||Namah Shivaya||

Dear Suchitra,

Mangal is in UL, it shows that the worship of Lord Narsimha on Fridays will make the spouse manifest. It is in 8H hence tapasya will be required and there may be delay. Further Shukra is neecha but well placed in digbala from AL and in kendra from Lagna, it is also vargottama as is also AK.

Best

Sharat

-

suchitra_kamath

sohamsa

Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:51 PM

Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For Supriti/Sharat

Namaskar Supriti/Sharat,Please suggest the Adi Devta for this one Nov 18 1972 3.35 pm(1535)Mumbai IndiaNative is female. Here UL lord is debilitated.Spouse is not manifest yet/ WHich Adi Devta is to be worshipped for Venus?ThanksSuchitrasohamsa , " Sharat" <gidoc wrote:>> ||Namah Shivaya||> Dear Promila,> Look for the Vishnu Gayatri from Rig Veda 1:22:20; Tad Vishno...> > Best> Sharat> > - > Promila Chitkara > sohamsa > Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:43 AM> Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada> > > > ||Hare Krishna||> > Thanks a lot Supriti and Sharat.> > I found the following Vishnu Mantra on the Web:> > "Om Narayanaya Vidhmahe> Vasudevaya Dhimahi> Tanno Vishnu Prachodayat"> > Please let me know if this is the right one.> > > > Sharat <gidoc> sohamsa > Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:48:32 PM> Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada> > > > ||Namah Shivaya||> Dear Pramila, Supriti,> Let me re-emphasize this as per Sanjay ji's teachings and having discussed this with Guru Visti as well. I had written a short paper on this which I havent uploaded to the files section.> It is recommended that Adi devta worship of Lord of UL be done for the spouse to manifest in your life. Sanjay ji talks of Avtaar only if there is a graha in the UL.> So for Gemini UL, it will be worship of Lord Vishnu as Vishnu Gayatri on a Wednesday, for the spouse to manifest irrespective of the sex of the native. Use Avtaar/Mahavidya form only if a graha is there.> For sustenance of marriage, in those who are already married, you fast on the vara lord day of the UL and pray to the Avtaar form/Dasamahavidya form of the lord of second from UL.> Best> Sharat> > - > supriti108 > sohamsa@ .com > Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:06 PM> Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada> > > Dear Pramila:> > For Gemini UL, I think the answer is:> 1. If unmarried then pray to Vamana avatar (Dharma Gayatri) to bring > your spouse.> 2. If married, then one should pray to the avatar related to the 2nd > from UL for sustenance - Krishna.> > Regards> Supriti> > sohamsa@ .com, "promilac" <promilac@ .> wrote:> >> > This was a very good point Supriti! Thanks for confirming Rafal!> > > > So going by this point, a woman with Gemini UL can worship Krishna, > > have I got it right?> > > > sohamsa@ .com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > wrote:> > >> > > *hare rama krsna*> > > > > > Dear Supriti> > > > > > Thats correct.> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > Rafal Gendarz> > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru> > > email: rafal@> > > Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa. com> > > Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl> > > > > > supriti108 napisa?(a):> > > >> > > > Hi SS,> > > >> > > > Based on my understanding, women should pray to the vishnu > avatar > > of> > > > the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of the UL > lord.> > > >> > > > The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to Vishnu for > > marriage,> > > > because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the natural> > > > providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to marry for> > > > money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for marriage. Men > > should> > > > look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence they > > should pray> > > > to Shakti.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Supriti> > > >> > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%> > 40. com>, > > > > "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Hi All,> > > > >> > > > > Are any specific (involving specific number of syllables) or > > general> > > > > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if the > latter > > has> > > > no> > > > > planets in it?> > > > > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra Mantra > wud > > do or> > > > > does it req. specific syllable count?> > > > >> > > > > Else how is it done?> > > > > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read about the > > same?> > > > >> > > > > Thanx a tonne> > > > > SS> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > ---> Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows.> Answers - Check it out.>

August 31, 2007

Hare

Rama Krishna

Dear

Suchitra,

The native

(female) should worship the Vishnu rupa of the lord of the UL. In this case

Rishikesha.

Sarbani

-----

Original Message -----

suchitra_kamath

sohamsa

Thursday, August 30,

2007 12:51 PM

Re:

Adi-devata worship for upapada- For Supriti/Sharat

Namaskar Supriti/Sharat,

Please suggest the Adi Devta for this one

Nov 18 1972

3.35 pm(1535)

Mumbai India

Native is female. Here UL lord is debilitated.Spouse is not manifest

yet/ WHich Adi Devta is to be worshipped for Venus?

Thanks

Suchitra

sohamsa ,

" Sharat " <gidoc wrote:

>

> ||Namah Shivaya||

> Dear Promila,

> Look for the Vishnu Gayatri from Rig Veda 1:22:20; Tad Vishno...

>

> Best

> Sharat

>

> -

> Promila Chitkara

> sohamsa

> Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:43 AM

> Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada

>

> ||Hare Krishna||

>

> Thanks a lot Supriti and Sharat.

>

> I found the following Vishnu Mantra on the Web:

>

> " Om Narayanaya Vidhmahe

> Vasudevaya Dhimahi

> Tanno Vishnu Prachodayat "

>

> Please let me know if this is the right one.

>

> Sharat <gidoc

> sohamsa

> Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:48:32 PM

> Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada

>

> ||Namah Shivaya||

> Dear Pramila, Supriti,

> Let me re-emphasize this as per Sanjay ji's teachings and having

discussed this with Guru Visti as well. I had written a short paper

on this which I havent uploaded to the files section.

> It is recommended that Adi devta worship of Lord of UL be done

for the spouse to manifest in your life. Sanjay ji talks of Avtaar

only if there is a graha in the UL.

> So for Gemini UL, it will be worship of Lord Vishnu as Vishnu

Gayatri on a Wednesday, for the spouse to manifest irrespective of

the sex of the native. Use Avtaar/Mahavidya form only if a graha is

there.

> For sustenance of marriage, in those who are already married,

you fast on the vara lord day of the UL and pray to the Avtaar

form/Dasamahavidya form of the lord of second from UL.

> Best

> Sharat

>

> -

> supriti108

> sohamsa@ .com

> Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:06 PM

> Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada

>

> Dear Pramila:

>

> For Gemini UL, I think the answer is:

> 1. If unmarried then pray to Vamana avatar (Dharma Gayatri) to

bring

> your spouse.

> 2. If married, then one should pray to the avatar related to

the 2nd

> from UL for sustenance - Krishna.

>

> Regards

> Supriti

>

> sohamsa@ .com, " promilac " <promilac@ .>

wrote:

> >

> > This was a very good point Supriti! Thanks for confirming

Rafal!

> >

> > So going by this point, a woman with Gemini UL can worship

Krishna,

> > have I got it right?

> >

> > sohamsa@ .com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > *hare rama krsna*

> > >

> > > Dear Supriti

> > >

> > > Thats correct.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > email: rafal@

> > > Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa. com

> > > Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa.

fora.pl

> > >

> > > supriti108 napisa?(a):

> > > >

> > > > Hi SS,

> > > >

> > > > Based on my understanding, women should pray to the

vishnu

> avatar

> > of

> > > > the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of

the UL

> lord.

> > > >

> > > > The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to

Vishnu for

> > marriage,

> > > > because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the

natural

> > > > providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to

marry for

> > > > money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for

marriage. Men

> > should

> > > > look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence

they

> > should pray

> > > > to Shakti.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Supriti

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%

> > 40. com>,

> > > > " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi All,

> > > > >

> > > > > Are any specific (involving specific number of

syllables) or

> > general

> > > > > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if

the

> latter

> > has

> > > > no

> > > > > planets in it?

> > > > > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra

Mantra

> wud

> > do or

> > > > > does it req. specific syllable count?

> > > > >

> > > > > Else how is it done?

> > > > > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read

about the

> > same?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanx a tonne

> > > > > SS

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

> -------------------------

-----------

> Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone

who knows.

> Answers - Check it out.

>

August 31, 2007

||Namah Shivaya||

Dear Sarbani ji,

Mangal is in UL, so why should we not take Lord Narsimha, to make the spouse manifest?

Thanks

Best

Sharat

-

Sarbani Rath

sohamsa

Friday, August 31, 2007 3:59 PM

RE: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For Supriti/Sharat

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Suchitra,

The native (female) should worship the Vishnu rupa of the lord of the UL. In this case Rishikesha.

Sarbani

-

suchitra_kamath

sohamsa

Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:51 PM

Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For Supriti/Sharat

Namaskar Supriti/Sharat,Please suggest the Adi Devta for this one Nov 18 1972 3.35 pm(1535)Mumbai IndiaNative is female. Here UL lord is debilitated.Spouse is not manifest yet/ WHich Adi Devta is to be worshipped for Venus?ThanksSuchitrasohamsa , " Sharat" <gidoc wrote:>> ||Namah Shivaya||> Dear Promila,> Look for the Vishnu Gayatri from Rig Veda 1:22:20; Tad Vishno...> > Best> Sharat> > - > Promila Chitkara > sohamsa > Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:43 AM> Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada> > > > ||Hare Krishna||> > Thanks a lot Supriti and Sharat.> > I found the following Vishnu Mantra on the Web:> > "Om Narayanaya Vidhmahe> Vasudevaya Dhimahi> Tanno Vishnu Prachodayat"> > Please let me know if this is the right one.> > > > Sharat <gidoc> sohamsa > Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:48:32 PM> Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada> > > > ||Namah Shivaya||> Dear Pramila, Supriti,> Let me re-emphasize this as per Sanjay ji's teachings and having discussed this with Guru Visti as well. I had written a short paper on this which I havent uploaded to the files section.> It is recommended that Adi devta worship of Lord of UL be done for the spouse to manifest in your life. Sanjay ji talks of Avtaar only if there is a graha in the UL.> So for Gemini UL, it will be worship of Lord Vishnu as Vishnu Gayatri on a Wednesday, for the spouse to manifest irrespective of the sex of the native. Use Avtaar/Mahavidya form only if a graha is there.> For sustenance of marriage, in those who are already married, you fast on the vara lord day of the UL and pray to the Avtaar form/Dasamahavidya form of the lord of second from UL.> Best> Sharat> > - > supriti108 > sohamsa@ .com > Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:06 PM> Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada> > > Dear Pramila:> > For Gemini UL, I think the answer is:> 1. If unmarried then pray to Vamana avatar (Dharma Gayatri) to bring > your spouse.> 2. If married, then one should pray to the avatar related to the 2nd > from UL for sustenance - Krishna.> > Regards> Supriti> > sohamsa@ .com, "promilac" <promilac@ .> wrote:> >> > This was a very good point Supriti! Thanks for confirming Rafal!> > > > So going by this point, a woman with Gemini UL can worship Krishna, > > have I got it right?> > > > sohamsa@ .com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > wrote:> > >> > > *hare rama krsna*> > > > > > Dear Supriti> > > > > > Thats correct.> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > Rafal Gendarz> > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru> > > email: rafal@> > > Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa. com> > > Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl> > > > > > supriti108 napisa?(a):> > > >> > > > Hi SS,> > > >> > > > Based on my understanding, women should pray to the vishnu > avatar > > of> > > > the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of the UL > lord.> > > >> > > > The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to Vishnu for > > marriage,> > > > because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the natural> > > > providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to marry for> > > > money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for marriage. Men > > should> > > > look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence they > > should pray> > > > to Shakti.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Supriti> > > >> > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%> > 40. com>, > > > > "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Hi All,> > > > >> > > > > Are any specific (involving specific number of syllables) or > > general> > > > > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if the > latter > > has> > > > no> > > > > planets in it?> > > > > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra Mantra > wud > > do or> > > > > does it req. specific syllable count?> > > > >> > > > > Else how is it done?> > > > > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read about the > > same?> > > > >> > > > > Thanx a tonne> > > > > SS> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > ---> Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows.> Answers - Check it out.>

August 31, 2007

Hare

Rama Krishna

Dear

Sharat,

The rule

is we take the lord of the Upapada. Not the planet in it. The lord is the

person, as we are treating the house as Upapada. Another planet is the lord of

another house, and hence is ‘someone else’ in the Upapada. Women

worship Vishnu rupa and men worship lakshmi/devi rupa. You will be fully aware,

that in a marriage, the bride and the groom are akin to Vishnu and Lakshmi and

they are depicted as the ideals that one seeks in a marriage. At least Hindu

marriages! The deity one is worshipping to manifest a spouse is very important.

Now what would happen if you worshipped Ugra Chandi to manifest your spouse J? For the sustenance of the marriage, you take

the lord of the 2nd house from the Upapada.

Best

regards,

Sarbani

Sharat

[gidoc]

Friday, August 31, 2007 8:34 PM

sohamsa

Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For

Supriti/Sharat

||Namah Shivaya||

Dear Sarbani ji,

Mangal is in UL, so why should we not take Lord Narsimha, to make

the spouse manifest?

Thanks

Best

Sharat

-----

Original Message -----

Sarbani Rath

sohamsa

Friday, August 31,

2007 3:59 PM

RE: Re:

Adi-devata worship for upapada- For Supriti/Sharat

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Suchitra,

The native (female) should

worship the Vishnu rupa of the lord of the UL. In this case Rishikesha.

Sarbani

-

suchitra_kamath

sohamsa

Sent:

Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:51 PM

Subject:

Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For Supriti/Sharat

Namaskar Supriti/Sharat,

Please suggest the Adi Devta for this one

Nov 18 1972

3.35 pm(1535)

Mumbai India

Native is female. Here UL lord is debilitated.Spouse is not manifest

yet/ WHich Adi Devta is to be worshipped for Venus?

Thanks

Suchitra

sohamsa ,

" Sharat " <gidoc wrote:

>

> ||Namah Shivaya||

> Dear Promila,

> Look for the Vishnu Gayatri from Rig Veda 1:22:20; Tad Vishno...

>

> Best

> Sharat

>

> -

> Promila Chitkara

> sohamsa

> Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:43 AM

> Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada

>

> ||Hare Krishna||

>

> Thanks a lot Supriti and Sharat.

>

> I found the following Vishnu Mantra on the Web:

>

> " Om Narayanaya Vidhmahe

> Vasudevaya Dhimahi

> Tanno Vishnu Prachodayat "

>

> Please let me know if this is the right one.

>

> Sharat <gidoc

> sohamsa

> Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:48:32 PM

> Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada

>

> ||Namah Shivaya||

> Dear Pramila, Supriti,

> Let me re-emphasize this as per Sanjay ji's teachings and having

discussed this with Guru Visti as well. I had written a short paper

on this which I havent uploaded to the files section.

> It is recommended that Adi devta worship of Lord of UL be done

for the spouse to manifest in your life. Sanjay ji talks of Avtaar

only if there is a graha in the UL.

> So for Gemini UL, it will be worship of Lord Vishnu as Vishnu

Gayatri on a Wednesday, for the spouse to manifest irrespective of

the sex of the native. Use Avtaar/Mahavidya form only if a graha is

there.

> For sustenance of marriage, in those who are already married,

you fast on the vara lord day of the UL and pray to the Avtaar

form/Dasamahavidya form of the lord of second from UL.

> Best

> Sharat

>

> -

> supriti108

> sohamsa@ .com

> Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:06 PM

> Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada

>

> Dear Pramila:

>

> For Gemini UL, I think the answer is:

> 1. If unmarried then pray to Vamana avatar (Dharma Gayatri) to

bring

> your spouse.

> 2. If married, then one should pray to the avatar related to

the 2nd

> from UL for sustenance - Krishna.

>

> Regards

> Supriti

>

> sohamsa@ .com, " promilac " <promilac@ .>

wrote:

> >

> > This was a very good point Supriti! Thanks for confirming

Rafal!

> >

> > So going by this point, a woman with Gemini UL can worship

Krishna,

> > have I got it right?

> >

> > sohamsa@ .com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > *hare rama krsna*

> > >

> > > Dear Supriti

> > >

> > > Thats correct.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > email: rafal@

> > > Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa. com

> > > Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa.

fora.pl

> > >

> > > supriti108 napisa?(a):

> > > >

> > > > Hi SS,

> > > >

> > > > Based on my understanding, women should pray to the

vishnu

> avatar

> > of

> > > > the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of

the UL

> lord.

> > > >

> > > > The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to

Vishnu for

> > marriage,

> > > > because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the

natural

> > > > providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to

marry for

> > > > money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for

marriage. Men

> > should

> > > > look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence

they

> > should pray

> > > > to Shakti.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Supriti

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%

> > 40. com>,

> > > > " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi All,

> > > > >

> > > > > Are any specific (involving specific number of

syllables) or

> > general

> > > > > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if

the

> latter

> > has

> > > > no

> > > > > planets in it?

> > > > > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra

Mantra

> wud

> > do or

> > > > > does it req. specific syllable count?

> > > > >

> > > > > Else how is it done?

> > > > > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read

about the

> > same?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanx a tonne

> > > > > SS

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

> -------------------------

-----------

> Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone

who knows.

> Answers - Check it out.

>

August 31, 2007

||Namah Shivaya||

Dear Sarbani ji,

My apologies but this appears in contradiction to what Sanjay ji has taught. I have gone over this many times and have also discussed it with Visti.

Sanjay ji says for the spouse to manifest, look at UL, if there is a planet take the planet, if no planet only THEN take the lord. For the planet he says to worship the deity as Vishnu avtaar and Parwati swaroop, not like Lakshmi as that can be the reason for greed but as Shakti form of Mahavidya. He goes on to say that it is not Shiva and Lakshmi forms but Vishnu and Parwati swaroop.

Please correct me if I have misunderstood this.

Best wishes

Sharat

-

Sarbani Rath

sohamsa

Friday, August 31, 2007 4:20 PM

RE: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For Supriti/Sharat

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Sharat,

The rule is we take the lord of the Upapada. Not the planet in it. The lord is the person, as we are treating the house as Upapada. Another planet is the lord of another house, and hence is ‘someone else’ in the Upapada. Women worship Vishnu rupa and men worship lakshmi/devi rupa. You will be fully aware, that in a marriage, the bride and the groom are akin to Vishnu and Lakshmi and they are depicted as the ideals that one seeks in a marriage. At least Hindu marriages! The deity one is worshipping to manifest a spouse is very important. Now what would happen if you worshipped Ugra Chandi to manifest your spouse J? For the sustenance of the marriage, you take the lord of the 2nd house from the Upapada.

Best regards,

Sarbani

Sharat [gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org] Friday, August 31, 2007 8:34 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For Supriti/Sharat

||Namah Shivaya||

Dear Sarbani ji,

Mangal is in UL, so why should we not take Lord Narsimha, to make the spouse manifest?

Thanks

Best

Sharat

-

Sarbani Rath

sohamsa

Friday, August 31, 2007 3:59 PM

RE: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For Supriti/Sharat

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Suchitra,

The native (female) should worship the Vishnu rupa of the lord of the UL. In this case Rishikesha.

Sarbani

-

suchitra_kamath

sohamsa

Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:51 PM

Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For Supriti/Sharat

Namaskar Supriti/Sharat,Please suggest the Adi Devta for this one Nov 18 1972 3.35 pm(1535)Mumbai IndiaNative is female. Here UL lord is debilitated.Spouse is not manifest yet/ WHich Adi Devta is to be worshipped for Venus?ThanksSuchitrasohamsa , " Sharat" <gidoc wrote:>> ||Namah Shivaya||> Dear Promila,> Look for the Vishnu Gayatri from Rig Veda 1:22:20; Tad Vishno...> > Best> Sharat> > - > Promila Chitkara > sohamsa > Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:43 AM> Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada> > > > ||Hare Krishna||> > Thanks a lot Supriti and Sharat.> > I found the following Vishnu Mantra on the Web:> > "Om Narayanaya Vidhmahe> Vasudevaya Dhimahi> Tanno Vishnu Prachodayat"> > Please let me know if this is the right one.> > > > Sharat <gidoc> sohamsa > Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:48:32 PM> Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada> > > > ||Namah Shivaya||> Dear Pramila, Supriti,> Let me re-emphasize this as per Sanjay ji's teachings and having discussed this with Guru Visti as well. I had written a short paper on this which I havent uploaded to the files section.> It is recommended that Adi devta worship of Lord of UL be done for the spouse to manifest in your life. Sanjay ji talks of Avtaar only if there is a graha in the UL.> So for Gemini UL, it will be worship of Lord Vishnu as Vishnu Gayatri on a Wednesday, for the spouse to manifest irrespective of the sex of the native. Use Avtaar/Mahavidya form only if a graha is there.> For sustenance of marriage, in those who are already married, you fast on the vara lord day of the UL and pray to the Avtaar form/Dasamahavidya form of the lord of second from UL.> Best> Sharat> > - > supriti108 > sohamsa@ .com > Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:06 PM> Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada> > > Dear Pramila:> > For Gemini UL, I think the answer is:> 1. If unmarried then pray to Vamana avatar (Dharma Gayatri) to bring > your spouse.> 2. If married, then one should pray to the avatar related to the 2nd > from UL for sustenance - Krishna.> > Regards> Supriti> > sohamsa@ .com, "promilac" <promilac@ .> wrote:> >> > This was a very good point Supriti! Thanks for confirming Rafal!> > > > So going by this point, a woman with Gemini UL can worship Krishna, > > have I got it right?> > > > sohamsa@ .com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > wrote:> > >> > > *hare rama krsna*> > > > > > Dear Supriti> > > > > > Thats correct.> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > Rafal Gendarz> > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru> > > email: rafal@> > > Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa. com> > > Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl> > > > > > supriti108 napisa?(a):> > > >> > > > Hi SS,> > > >> > > > Based on my understanding, women should pray to the vishnu > avatar > > of> > > > the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of the UL > lord.> > > >> > > > The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to Vishnu for > > marriage,> > > > because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the natural> > > > providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to marry for> > > > money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for marriage. Men > > should> > > > look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence they > > should pray> > > > to Shakti.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Supriti> > > >> > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%> > 40. com>, > > > > "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Hi All,> > > > >> > > > > Are any specific (involving specific number of syllables) or > > general> > > > > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if the > latter > > has> > > > no> > > > > planets in it?> > > > > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra Mantra > wud > > do or> > > > > does it req. specific syllable count?> > > > >> > > > > Else how is it done?> > > > > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read about the > > same?> > > > >> > > > > Thanx a tonne> > > > > SS> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > ---> Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows.> Answers - Check it out.>

September 1, 2007

Hare

Rama Krishna

Dear

Sharat,

I

think you are getting confused between general bhava analysis and UL and other

arudha analysis. General bhava analysis entails that you look at a planet

placed in a bhava and then look at the lord. While for Upapada and other

arudhas, we are actually looking at the house itself. Hence we take the

lord. This is Sanjayji’s teaching.

Can you

please give us a reference where he has mentioned “Lakshmi is for greed?”

I never knew that Lakshmi had anything to do with greed. Kubera, yes. Without

Lakshmi there can be no marriage.

Best

regards,

Sarbani

Rath

Sharat

[gidoc]

Saturday, September 01, 2007 3:02 AM

sohamsa

Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For

Supriti/Sharat

||Namah Shivaya||

Dear Sarbani ji,

My apologies but this appears in contradiction to what Sanjay ji

has taught. I have gone over this many times and have also discussed it with

Visti.

Sanjay ji says for the spouse to manifest, look at UL, if there is

a planet take the planet, if no planet only THEN take the lord. For the planet

he says to worship the deity as Vishnu avtaar and Parwati swaroop, not like

Lakshmi as that can be the reason for greed but as Shakti form of Mahavidya. He

goes on to say that it is not Shiva and Lakshmi forms but Vishnu and Parwati

swaroop.

Please correct me if I have misunderstood this.

Best wishes

Sharat

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Original Message -----

Sarbani Rath

sohamsa

Friday, August 31,

2007 4:20 PM

RE: Re:

Adi-devata worship for upapada- For Supriti/Sharat

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Sharat,

The rule is we take the lord

of the Upapada. Not the planet in it. The lord is the person, as we are

treating the house as Upapada. Another planet is the lord of another house, and

hence is ‘someone else’ in the Upapada. Women worship Vishnu rupa

and men worship lakshmi/devi rupa. You will be fully aware, that in a marriage,

the bride and the groom are akin to Vishnu and Lakshmi and they are depicted as

the ideals that one seeks in a marriage. At least Hindu marriages! The deity

one is worshipping to manifest a spouse is very important. Now what would

happen if you worshipped Ugra Chandi to manifest your spouse J? For the sustenance of the marriage, you take

the lord of the 2nd house from the Upapada.

Best regards,

Sarbani

Sharat

[gidoc]

Friday, August 31, 2007 8:34 PM

sohamsa

Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For

Supriti/Sharat

||Namah Shivaya||

Dear Sarbani ji,

Mangal is in UL, so why should we not take

Lord Narsimha, to make the spouse manifest?

Thanks

Best

Sharat

-

Sarbani Rath

sohamsa

Sent:

Friday, August 31, 2007 3:59 PM

RE:

Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For Supriti/Sharat

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Suchitra,

The native (female) should

worship the Vishnu rupa of the lord of the UL. In this case Rishikesha.

Sarbani

-

suchitra_kamath

sohamsa

Sent:

Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:51 PM

Subject:

Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For Supriti/Sharat

Namaskar Supriti/Sharat,

Please suggest the Adi Devta for this one

Nov 18 1972

3.35 pm(1535)

Mumbai India

Native is female. Here UL lord is debilitated.Spouse is not manifest

yet/ WHich Adi Devta is to be worshipped for Venus?

Thanks

Suchitra

sohamsa ,

" Sharat " <gidoc wrote:

>

> ||Namah Shivaya||

> Dear Promila,

> Look for the Vishnu Gayatri from Rig Veda 1:22:20; Tad Vishno...

>

> Best

> Sharat

>

> -

> Promila Chitkara

> sohamsa

> Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:43 AM

> Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada

>

> ||Hare Krishna||

>

> Thanks a lot Supriti and Sharat.

>

> I found the following Vishnu Mantra on the Web:

>

> " Om Narayanaya Vidhmahe

> Vasudevaya Dhimahi

> Tanno Vishnu Prachodayat "

>

> Please let me know if this is the right one.

>

> Sharat <gidoc

> sohamsa

> Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:48:32 PM

> Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada

>

> ||Namah Shivaya||

> Dear Pramila, Supriti,

> Let me re-emphasize this as per Sanjay ji's teachings and having

discussed this with Guru Visti as well. I had written a short paper

on this which I havent uploaded to the files section.

> It is recommended that Adi devta worship of Lord of UL be done

for the spouse to manifest in your life. Sanjay ji talks of Avtaar

only if there is a graha in the UL.

> So for Gemini UL, it will be worship of Lord Vishnu as Vishnu

Gayatri on a Wednesday, for the spouse to manifest irrespective of

the sex of the native. Use Avtaar/Mahavidya form only if a graha is

there.

> For sustenance of marriage, in those who are already married,

you fast on the vara lord day of the UL and pray to the Avtaar

form/Dasamahavidya form of the lord of second from UL.

> Best

> Sharat

>

> -

> supriti108

> sohamsa@ .com

> Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:06 PM

> Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada

>

> Dear Pramila:

>

> For Gemini UL, I think the answer is:

> 1. If unmarried then pray to Vamana avatar (Dharma Gayatri) to

bring

> your spouse.

> 2. If married, then one should pray to the avatar related to

the 2nd

> from UL for sustenance - Krishna.

>

> Regards

> Supriti

>

> sohamsa@ .com, " promilac " <promilac@ .>

wrote:

> >

> > This was a very good point Supriti! Thanks for confirming

Rafal!

> >

> > So going by this point, a woman with Gemini UL can worship

Krishna,

> > have I got it right?

> >

> > sohamsa@ .com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > *hare rama krsna*

> > >

> > > Dear Supriti

> > >

> > > Thats correct.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > email: rafal@

> > > Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa. com

> > > Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa.

fora.pl

> > >

> > > supriti108 napisa?(a):

> > > >

> > > > Hi SS,

> > > >

> > > > Based on my understanding, women should pray to the

vishnu

> avatar

> > of

> > > > the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of

the UL

> lord.

> > > >

> > > > The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to

Vishnu for

> > marriage,

> > > > because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the

natural

> > > > providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to

marry for

> > > > money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for

marriage. Men

> > should

> > > > look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence

they

> > should pray

> > > > to Shakti.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Supriti

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%

> > 40. com>,

> > > > " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi All,

> > > > >

> > > > > Are any specific (involving specific number of

syllables) or

> > general

> > > > > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if

the

> latter

> > has

> > > > no

> > > > > planets in it?

> > > > > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra

Mantra

> wud

> > do or

> > > > > does it req. specific syllable count?

> > > > >

> > > > > Else how is it done?

> > > > > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read

about the

> > same?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanx a tonne

> > > > > SS

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

> -------------------------

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> Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone

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> Answers - Check it out.

>

September 1, 2007

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Dear Sarbani, namaste

What Sharat wrote is based on Sanjay's teaching in SJC Atri Class 4 & 5 translated by Ajay Zharotia. The relevant portions from this translation is reproduced below for your reference.

" Worship the Adi deveta of the planet, who is the lord of the upapada, provided no grahas in the upapada. If there are grahas is in upapada then the Avatar of that Graha need to be worshipped. Adi deveta will indicate a particular deity and Graha will indicate avatar of that deveta. Immediately marriage will take place. "

" Let us have clarity on this first. For a male horoscope, the deity will be female, Lakshmi swarupa. For a male horoscope you treat the wife who is going to come as Devi Parvati. The person who is worshiping is Shiva himself and should think of wife as Shakti then he will have good Santana whereas the women when she is

looking for the man should look for Lord Vishnu as her husband. See, there is a difference, I have not told you Lakshmi and Shiva. Why? If a person is seeking Lakshmi as wife before marrying it can bring some greed in his mind. Then he will see money of the wife. Which is not right. Whoever is going to come do not

see her bank balance, it is wrong. You are marrying the girl because you like the girl. Because, she want to be the mother of your children after marriage. So what are you looking for? Devi Parvati. Clear. She will be a good mother. So the Das Avatars are called Das Maha Vidya. The Graha representing the Maha Vidya that

Devi will come to your house. This the way a man should look at his wife. He should not look at his wife as Lakshmi till they are married. After marriage it is a different issue.

Similarly if a woman has to look for man she has to look for sustenance that is why she has to look at lord Vishnu. If she looks for Shiva, who is Parma yogi, having two-piece of cloth sitting in the Himalayas why he will come and marry her. Tell me, will you marry a person who does not have anything and sitting in

the Himalayas, then why worship him for marriage. You want your husband to be wearing Mukuta, Good clothes, have some position, status, and who can sustain you. Right. So at the time of marriage woman must worship Vishnu and Man must worship Devi Parvati. See the Sumya forms of goddesses for example Tara.

For Mars you can take Pitambara, because Bagula Mukhi is the Pila Shakti. "

best regards

Hari

On 9/1/07, Sarbani Rath <sarbani wrote:

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Sharat,

I think you are getting confused between general bhava analysis and UL and other arudha analysis. General bhava analysis entails that you look at a planet placed in a bhava and then look at the lord. While for Upapada and other arudhas, we are actually looking at the house itself. Hence we take the lord. This is Sanjayji's teaching.

Can you please give us a reference where he has mentioned "Lakshmi is for greed?" I never knew that Lakshmi had anything to do with greed. Kubera, yes. Without Lakshmi there can be no marriage.

Best regards,

Sarbani Rath

Sharat [gidoc@

ukfsn.org] Saturday, September 01, 2007 3:02 AMsohamsa Subject: Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For Supriti/Sharat

||Namah Shivaya||

Dear Sarbani ji,

My apologies but this appears in contradiction to what Sanjay ji has taught. I have gone over this many times and have also discussed it with Visti.

Sanjay ji says for the spouse to manifest, look at UL, if there is a planet take the planet, if no planet only THEN take the lord. For the planet he says to worship the deity as Vishnu avtaar and Parwati swaroop, not like Lakshmi as that can be the reason for greed but as Shakti form of Mahavidya. He goes on to say that it is not Shiva and Lakshmi forms but Vishnu and Parwati swaroop.

Please correct me if I have misunderstood this.

Best wishes

Sharat

..

September 1, 2007

||Namah Shivaya||

Dear Sarbani ji,

I am not confusd but just following Sanjay ji verbatim as he taught in his Upapada class, I have gone through this many times and Visti also agreed after I pointed out the class where this was taught. Ajay 's translation which is verbatim also shows the same teaching nd has been referred to in another mail in this thread.

This is an important aspect in our understanding hence needs clarification. Regarding Lakshmi ji, he did say about the aspect of greed. Based on this teaching I had written a short paper on thisaspect of UL which Visti ji had very kindly gone through but I havent yet uploaded it, as I wanted further clarification from Sanjay ji.

Thanks for your patience.

Best

Sharat

-

Sarbani Rath

sohamsa

Saturday, September 01, 2007 6:04 AM

RE: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For Supriti/Sharat

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Sharat,

I think you are getting confused between general bhava analysis and UL and other arudha analysis. General bhava analysis entails that you look at a planet placed in a bhava and then look at the lord. While for Upapada and other arudhas, we are actually looking at the house itself. Hence we take the lord. This is Sanjayji’s teaching.

Can you please give us a reference where he has mentioned “Lakshmi is for greed?” I never knew that Lakshmi had anything to do with greed. Kubera, yes. Without Lakshmi there can be no marriage.

Best regards,

Sarbani Rath

Sharat [gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org] Saturday, September 01, 2007 3:02 AMsohamsa Subject: Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For Supriti/Sharat

||Namah Shivaya||

Dear Sarbani ji,

My apologies but this appears in contradiction to what Sanjay ji has taught. I have gone over this many times and have also discussed it with Visti.

Sanjay ji says for the spouse to manifest, look at UL, if there is a planet take the planet, if no planet only THEN take the lord. For the planet he says to worship the deity as Vishnu avtaar and Parwati swaroop, not like Lakshmi as that can be the reason for greed but as Shakti form of Mahavidya. He goes on to say that it is not Shiva and Lakshmi forms but Vishnu and Parwati swaroop.

Please correct me if I have misunderstood this.

Best wishes

Sharat

-

Sarbani Rath

sohamsa

Friday, August 31, 2007 4:20 PM

RE: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For Supriti/Sharat

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Sharat,

The rule is we take the lord of the Upapada. Not the planet in it. The lord is the person, as we are treating the house as Upapada. Another planet is the lord of another house, and hence is ‘someone else’ in the Upapada. Women worship Vishnu rupa and men worship lakshmi/devi rupa. You will be fully aware, that in a marriage, the bride and the groom are akin to Vishnu and Lakshmi and they are depicted as the ideals that one seeks in a marriage. At least Hindu marriages! The deity one is worshipping to manifest a spouse is very important. Now what would happen if you worshipped Ugra Chandi to manifest your spouse J? For the sustenance of the marriage, you take the lord of the 2nd house from the Upapada.

Best regards,

Sarbani

Sharat [gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org] Friday, August 31, 2007 8:34 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For Supriti/Sharat

||Namah Shivaya||

Dear Sarbani ji,

Mangal is in UL, so why should we not take Lord Narsimha, to make the spouse manifest?

Thanks

Best

Sharat

-

Sarbani Rath

sohamsa

Friday, August 31, 2007 3:59 PM

RE: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For Supriti/Sharat

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Suchitra,

The native (female) should worship the Vishnu rupa of the lord of the UL. In this case Rishikesha.

Sarbani

-

suchitra_kamath

sohamsa

Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:51 PM

Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For Supriti/Sharat

Namaskar Supriti/Sharat,Please suggest the Adi Devta for this one Nov 18 1972 3.35 pm(1535)Mumbai IndiaNative is female. Here UL lord is debilitated.Spouse is not manifest yet/ WHich Adi Devta is to be worshipped for Venus?ThanksSuchitrasohamsa , " Sharat" <gidoc wrote:>> ||Namah Shivaya||> Dear Promila,> Look for the Vishnu Gayatri from Rig Veda 1:22:20; Tad Vishno...> > Best> Sharat> > - > Promila Chitkara > sohamsa > Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:43 AM> Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada> > > > ||Hare Krishna||> > Thanks a lot Supriti and Sharat.> > I found the following Vishnu Mantra on the Web:> > "Om Narayanaya Vidhmahe> Vasudevaya Dhimahi> Tanno Vishnu Prachodayat"> > Please let me know if this is the right one.> > > > Sharat <gidoc> sohamsa > Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:48:32 PM> Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada> > > > ||Namah Shivaya||> Dear Pramila, Supriti,> Let me re-emphasize this as per Sanjay ji's teachings and having discussed this with Guru Visti as well. I had written a short paper on this which I havent uploaded to the files section.> It is recommended that Adi devta worship of Lord of UL be done for the spouse to manifest in your life. Sanjay ji talks of Avtaar only if there is a graha in the UL.> So for Gemini UL, it will be worship of Lord Vishnu as Vishnu Gayatri on a Wednesday, for the spouse to manifest irrespective of the sex of the native. Use Avtaar/Mahavidya form only if a graha is there.> For sustenance of marriage, in those who are already married, you fast on the vara lord day of the UL and pray to the Avtaar form/Dasamahavidya form of the lord of second from UL.> Best> Sharat> > - > supriti108 > sohamsa@ .com > Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:06 PM> Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada> > > Dear Pramila:> > For Gemini UL, I think the answer is:> 1. If unmarried then pray to Vamana avatar (Dharma Gayatri) to bring > your spouse.> 2. If married, then one should pray to the avatar related to the 2nd > from UL for sustenance - Krishna.> > Regards> Supriti> > sohamsa@ .com, "promilac" <promilac@ .> wrote:> >> > This was a very good point Supriti! Thanks for confirming Rafal!> > > > So going by this point, a woman with Gemini UL can worship Krishna, > > have I got it right?> > > > sohamsa@ .com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > wrote:> > >> > > *hare rama krsna*> > > > > > Dear Supriti> > > > > > Thats correct.> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > Rafal Gendarz> > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru> > > email: rafal@> > > Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa. com> > > Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl> > > > > > supriti108 napisa?(a):> > > >> > > > Hi SS,> > > >> > > > Based on my understanding, women should pray to the vishnu > avatar > > of> > > > the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of the UL > lord.> > > >> > > > The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to Vishnu for > > marriage,> > > > because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the natural> > > > providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to marry for> > > > money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for marriage. Men > > should> > > > look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence they > > should pray> > > > to Shakti.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Supriti> > > >> > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%> > 40. com>, > > > > "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Hi All,> > > > >> > > > > Are any specific (involving specific number of syllables) or > > general> > > > > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if the > latter > > has> > > > no> > > > > planets in it?> > > > > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra Mantra > wud > > do or> > > > > does it req. specific syllable count?> > > > >> > > > > Else how is it done?> > > > > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read about the > > same?> > > > >> > > > > Thanx a tonne> > > > > SS> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > ---> Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows.> Answers - Check it out.>

September 2, 2007

Hare

Rama Krishna

Dear

Sharat,

Yes,

its very important to clear these misconceptions, which I have seen time and

again crop up, as often the context is not ‘fully’ understood.

Remember, I was present in the class and we have had many discussions on this. So

let me ‘fill in the blanks’’.

Please

consider the 4 steps in marriage:

1. The coming of the spouse.

2. The confirmation of marriage.

The spouse may come but end up being a fling or an affair and not end up in

marriage. In the case of arranged marriages, initiatives may be taken, there

maybe some talk but marriage may not come through.

3. The marriage itself

4. Post marriage including

possibility of children etc. and sustenance.

For

bringing the spouse it is Vishnu avatar. It is very easy to understand this, as

in a marriage the bride and the groom are treated as Vishnu and Lakshmi, and

they are ideals that one aspires for, as that is the highest. After that, if

there is a graha in the UL, that graha, as an outsider, can either block or

assist in converting that potential spouse who has come, into a spouse. This

becomes important if that graha is strong enough to play a role. If it is a highly

beneficial planet, then by all means activate it to assist you to bring about

the marriage. Here we use the adhi devata of the planet. If it is a

negative graha, we obviously don’t activate it. If I see in a chart, that

too a female one, that Mars is in the 8th house, my basic knowledge

of astrology tells me that its an extremely bad position for Mangal as far as

marriage is concerned. Mars is surely going to block and obstruct the marriage.

It

is blasphemy to associate Lakshmi with greed. In fact Lakshmi, does not have

much to do with money. She is Sri personified in every sense and prosperity is

just one angle. Lakshmi is the very symbol of marriage and is worshipped in

every household by married women and without her blessings no one can get

married. This is common knowledge. However, in India, it has become a fad

to differentiate the forms of Lakshmi, such as Dhana Lakshmi and associate her

with the begetting of money and wealth. That is why Sanjayji was emphatic to

make that statement in Atri class and advised that it better to advise the

worship of the form of the goddess as a mother, as at least she will be

perceived as a mother. This is far more preferable then viewing one’s

wife from the angle of monetary gains. And given the current and common perception

of Lakshmi, it is very likely that people would make this error of judgement.

Hence the advise of parvati was suggested.

Sharat

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Saturday, September 01, 2007 3:29 PM

sohamsa

Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For

Supriti/Sharat

||Namah Shivaya||

Dear Sarbani ji,

I am not confusd but just following Sanjay ji verbatim as he taught

in his Upapada class, I have gone through this many times and Visti also agreed

after I pointed out the class where this was taught. Ajay 's translation which

is verbatim also shows the same teaching nd has been referred to in another

mail in this thread.

This is an important aspect in our understanding hence needs

clarification. Regarding Lakshmi ji, he did say about the aspect of greed.

Based on this teaching I had written a short paper on thisaspect of

UL which Visti ji had very kindly gone through but I havent yet uploaded

it, as I wanted further clarification from Sanjay ji.

Thanks for your patience.

Best

Sharat

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Sarbani Rath

sohamsa

Saturday, September

01, 2007 6:04 AM

RE: Re: Adi-devata

worship for upapada- For Supriti/Sharat

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Sharat,

I think you are getting

confused between general bhava analysis and UL and other arudha analysis. General

bhava analysis entails that you look at a planet placed in a bhava and then

look at the lord. While for Upapada and other arudhas, we are actually looking

at the house itself. Hence we take the lord. This is Sanjayji’s

teaching.

Can you please give us a

reference where he has mentioned “Lakshmi is for greed?” I never

knew that Lakshmi had anything to do with greed. Kubera, yes. Without Lakshmi

there can be no marriage.

Best regards,

Sarbani Rath

Sharat

[gidoc]

Saturday, September 01, 2007 3:02 AM

sohamsa

Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For

Supriti/Sharat

||Namah Shivaya||

Dear Sarbani ji,

My apologies but this appears in

contradiction to what Sanjay ji has taught. I have gone over this many times

and have also discussed it with Visti.

Sanjay ji says for the spouse to manifest,

look at UL, if there is a planet take the planet, if no planet only THEN take

the lord. For the planet he says to worship the deity as Vishnu avtaar and

Parwati swaroop, not like Lakshmi as that can be the reason for greed but as

Shakti form of Mahavidya. He goes on to say that it is not Shiva and Lakshmi

forms but Vishnu and Parwati swaroop.

Please correct me if I have misunderstood

this.