Nadi Principles on Timing Death

March 7, 2006

Om Krishna Guru

Namsaste Swee Ji and Bharat Ji,

As you know, I always wanted to find the precision or narrow down the

time of the events while using predictive techniques. So let me take

the puzzle given by Bharat Ji recently and suggest you to apply the

principles both of you have mentioned recently.

You can read the puzzle details from the following, but I am taking

the most important information here for our exercise.

sohamsa/message/3893

Birth Details:

Female

14 November 1978

02:38 Hrs, New Delhi

====

Death Details:

The native died on September 28th, 1996 at around 3 AM on 27-28th

night.

====

Now let us take the principles what Swee Ji wrote:

" Saturn transiting the 8th house or trines or the 8th lord or trines

from any bhava brings death. "

So the possible houses of the Transit Shani which can give death are:

1) 8th house = 1 house

2) Trines to 8th house are : 2 additional houses

3) Assuming that the 8th lord is not placed in the above 3 houes :

Then we will get 3 more houses.

Which means, total 6 houses out of 12 houses when Sat transit the

death is possible. This is 50% of the houses, Is it not ? I do not

like this approach, rather, I prefer to know one or two houses of the

Transit of Shani, then we should be given some more finer methods to

pin point. Don't you agree with my thinking ? Because it is no use to

say for any prediction 50 % probabilities.

Anyhow can some one take the above native case and see how does these

principles work and how one can eliminate 5 houses of transit out of

6 houses and arrive at the correct transit of Shani who can give the

death.

We need the principles to eliminate the 5 houses out of 6 here too.

Please bear in mind, (many of you already know), how much I have love

and devotion to Jyotish, so I am not criticising any one here, rather

struggling to understand the nature of such predictive capabilities

where the chances of success is very less. Hence would request or

suggest to find the associated principles to narrow the time frame in

this case and write to us in detail applying both of the principels

mentioned by you. Again take this example where we know the death

date.

Regards

Raghunatha Rao

, " Bharat Hindu Astrology "

<hinduastrology wrote:

/message/1608

" Bharat Hindu Astrology " <hinduastrology

Tue Mar 7, 2006 1:50 am

Re: Nadi Principles on Timing Death

Namaskaar Sri Swee and Others

The relevant verse is in Chandra Kala Nadi:

" When Saturn in transit arrives or aspects the sign signified by the

sum of

longitudes or the varga of the eighth lord from a house, the people

signified by that house shall die "

" The good or evil should be predicted based on the overall influence

on the

varga of the 8th lord from a house " .

So the steps explained in the conference are (as I remember them):

1. Consider the house

2. Find the 8th from that house.

3. See if in the relevant varga, the planet is in trine to the 2nd

point.

For example,

Step 1

take 4th house - Mother's house.

Step 2

8th from it is 11th house.

Step 3

Relevant Vargas are D12 and D40

see if Saturn is transiting the trines to 11th house sign in the

these

vargas.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

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/message/1602

" Swee Chan " <swee

Mon Mar 6, 2006 3:22 pm

Nadi Principles on Timing Death

Dear List,

Namaste

The following are some of the points which I've noted of Sanjay ji's

lectures. Thos who've attended can help with filling in the missing

bits.

- Namo rudraya vishnave mrtyorme pahi-

Nadi Principles of Timing Death

Saturn transiting the 8th house or trines or the 8th lord or trines

from

any bhava brings death.

1. If AK is not involved, then death is not going to be significant.

2. The 8th from AL decides where the person will die.

3. The 3rd from AL is How the person will die.

4. The 5th from AL will decide what will happen to the body after

death.

(This answers the question on choosing the 5th from AL to concur

energies

with the Moon for choosing the jyotirlinga mantra) as the lagna at

the time

of death will be in trines to AL.

Defining Death

The tripod of life is the Body, Soul and Mind.

1. Use the naisargika dasa –

2. Saturn rules the deterioration of body from 70 – 120 years. Saturn

is

the Karaka of longevity.

3. Ekadasa Rudra – 11 year solar flare cycle (system energy level).

4. Shoola Dasa – 9 year cycle. The equation is from the 9 solar month

pregnancy and the 18 year saros cycle – better known as the Rahu

gochara.

5. Rahu and Ketu are created by the Moon (mind domination) and

Saturn, Rahu

and Ketu cause the body to be destroyed.

6. Venus and Mercury are rajasic in nature and can cause Mrtyu to the

person. (Brain dead – coma).

7. Brihaspati is satvic and death is by choice – Samadhi.

8. Sun and Moon are also satvic.

9. Ekadasa Rudra begins from the top, reducing from age 50 onwards.

Every

11 years, there is a chance one will die. But these are not related

to

unnatural death.

Birth

1st year – Moon

2 – 4 yrs – Mars

4 – 12 years – Mercury

12 -50 yrs – ie 20 -32 – Venus

33 – 50 – Jupiter.

March 7, 2006

" Gopijana-vallabha-caranau

sharanam prapadye. "

" Namo

gopijana-vallabhabhyam "

Dear Bharat and Raghunatha,

Namaste

The question was: which date did the native die! If I recall

correctly… So look at the trines to transit Saturn to the lagna or to her

6th – agantuka – external forces that prevailed or roga.

The trines to her 8th – neeja, chronicity of her illness. If Saturn

is in trines to the 9th, then events related to her father.

Bharat has added the minute details of transits in a Varga.

So look at the D6 and correlate the information you have to the shoola dasa.

Bharat, I couldn’t get myself to do the chart as

I had a bad thought when I read your mail. The thought was “ugh,

falciparum malaria like mine”. See, I knocked on heaven’s door and

returned after a visit with my deceased father. So that negative memory is

being wiped off as much a possible! The positive thing about that event for me,

was that I “discovered” Nrshinga Deva, being 2 years prior to that,

I was given Lord Jagannath’s yantra.

Love,

Swee

On

Behalf Of Raghunatha RaoNemani

Tuesday, March 07, 2006 2:13 PM

[Jaya Jagannatha] Re: Nadi Principles on Timing Death

Om Krishna Guru

Namsaste Swee Ji and Bharat Ji,

As you know, I always wanted to find the precision or

narrow down the

time of the events while using predictive

techniques. So let me take

the puzzle given by Bharat Ji recently and suggest you

to apply the

principles both of you have mentioned recently.

You can read the puzzle details from the following,

but I am taking

the most important information here for our exercise.

sohamsa/message/3893

Birth Details:

Female

14 November 1978

02:38 Hrs, New

Delhi

====

Death Details:

The native died on September 28th, 1996 at around 3 AM

on 27-28th

night.

====

Now let us take the principles what Swee Ji wrote:

" Saturn transiting the 8th house or trines or the

8th lord or trines

from any bhava brings death. "

So the possible houses of the Transit Shani which can

give death are:

1) 8th house = 1 house

2) Trines to 8th house are : 2 additional houses

3) Assuming that the 8th lord is not placed in the

above 3 houes :

Then we will get 3 more houses.

Which means, total 6 houses out of 12 houses when Sat

transit the

death is possible. This is 50% of the houses, Is it

not ? I do not

like this approach, rather, I prefer to know one or

two houses of the

Transit of Shani, then we should be given some more

finer methods to

pin point. Don't you agree with my thinking ? Because

it is no use to

say for any prediction 50 % probabilities.

Anyhow can some one take the above native case and see

how does these

principles work and how one can eliminate 5 houses of

transit out of

6 houses and arrive at the correct transit of Shani

who can give the

death.

We need the principles to eliminate the 5 houses out

of 6 here too.

Please bear in mind, (many of you already know), how

much I have love

and devotion to Jyotish, so I am not criticising any

one here, rather

struggling to understand the nature of such predictive

capabilities

where the chances of success is very less. Hence would

request or

suggest to find the associated principles to narrow

the time frame in

this case and write to us in detail applying both of

the principels

mentioned by you. Again take this example where

we know the death

date.

Regards

Raghunatha Rao

,

" Bharat Hindu Astrology "

<hinduastrology wrote:

/message/1608

" Bharat Hindu Astrology "

<hinduastrology

Tue Mar 7, 2006 1:50 am

Re: Nadi Principles on Timing

Death

Namaskaar Sri Swee and Others

The relevant verse is in Chandra Kala Nadi:

" When Saturn in transit arrives or aspects the

sign signified by the

sum of

longitudes or the varga of the eighth lord from a house,

the people

signified by that house shall die "

" The good or evil should be predicted based on

the overall influence

on the

varga of the 8th lord from a house " .

So the steps explained in the conference are (as I

remember them):

1. Consider the house

2. Find the 8th from that house.

3. See if in the relevant varga, the planet is in

trine to the 2nd

point.

For example,

Step 1

take 4th house - Mother's house.

Step 2

8th from it is 11th house.

Step 3

Relevant Vargas are D12 and D40

see if Saturn is transiting the trines to 11th house

sign in the

these

vargas.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

======

/message/1602

" Swee Chan " <swee

Mon Mar 6, 2006 3:22 pm

Nadi Principles on Timing Death

Dear List,

Namaste

The following are some of the points which I've noted

of Sanjay ji's

lectures. Thos who've attended can help with filling

in the missing

bits.

- Namo rudraya vishnave mrtyorme pahi-

Nadi Principles of Timing Death

Saturn transiting the 8th house or trines or the 8th

lord or trines

from

any bhava brings death.

1. If AK is not involved, then death is not going to

be significant.

2. The 8th from AL

decides where the person will die.

3. The 3rd from AL

is How the person will die.

4. The 5th from AL

will decide what will happen to the body after

death.

(This answers the question on choosing the 5th from AL to concur

energies

with the Moon for choosing the jyotirlinga mantra) as

the lagna at

the time

of death will be in trines to AL.

Defining Death

The tripod of life is the Body, Soul and Mind.

1. Use the naisargika dasa –

2. Saturn rules the deterioration of body from 70

– 120 years. Saturn

is

the Karaka of longevity.

3. Ekadasa Rudra – 11 year solar flare cycle

(system energy level).

4. Shoola Dasa – 9 year cycle. The equation is

from the 9 solar month

pregnancy and the 18 year saros cycle – better

known as the Rahu

gochara.

5. Rahu and Ketu are created by the Moon (mind

domination) and

Saturn, Rahu

and Ketu cause the body to be destroyed.

6. Venus and Mercury are rajasic in nature and can

cause Mrtyu to the

person. (Brain dead – coma).

7. Brihaspati is satvic and death is by choice –

Samadhi.

8. Sun and Moon are also satvic.

9. Ekadasa Rudra begins from the top, reducing from

age 50 onwards.

Every

11 years, there is a chance one will die. But these

are not related

to

unnatural death.

Birth

1st year – Moon

2 – 4 yrs – Mars

4 – 12 years – Mercury

12 -50 yrs – ie 20 -32 – Venus

33 – 50 – Jupiter.

March 7, 2006

Om Krishna Guru

Namaste Bharat Ji,

Thanks for the note. I know we were referring to some Nadi principles

and I also know, it is not your method, so there is no confusion in

my mind. What I was saying in my previous mail was to try these

principles with the death date puzzle given by you earlier.

Now for the sake of academic purpose, can you or some one take these

D-30 and Rudramsa principles and apply to the puzzle which you have

published earlier. Then we know whether these things makes sense or

not.

I would request you and other list members: try using these

principles with few more cases, where you have the death data and see

whether these principles work consistently or not. I will also test

these things and write in the list later taking some more charts. We

need consistency and precision, that is what I am strunggling to get

now a days, rather than giving away partial principles from

scripture. Again, no offense was intended and let us try together

whether what we know so far works consistently in many charts. If it

works, we should take it, if does not then, I will put that in for

more research and not take it as granted.

You may recall, none had replied to my earlier message, I have

written in the Sohamsa group, where the Mrityu Pada principe taking

your puzzle case. So I do not know whether that principle is accurate

or not as it did not worked in your puzzle case. Do you folks see

what I am seeing.

For a quick recap, this is the message I have written and no one

including our Gurus do not have time to reply. Can any one of you

spare few minutes and see why the principles did not worked in this

case ?

sohamsa/message/4072

We need clear cut principles which should work consistently, if not

we need to say we need to do more research on these areas.

Regards

Raghunatha Rao

, " Bharat Hindu Astrology "

<hinduastrology wrote:

Namaskaar Sri Raghunatha

It isn't our method, we are only reproducing what was taught by Sri

Sanjay Rath during the Delhi Conference.

If I remember the examples correctly, he used only 3 signs. He used

the 8th house sign and used its trines in the relevant varga. Saturn

should be transiting the trines. Like in the puzzle here, the 8th

sign from lagna is Aries. So 1,5,9 are the trines. For self death,

Sri Sanjay found D-30S to be working (which is Trimamsha as given in

Jataka Parijat). At that juncture, Sri Swee had also suggested the

use of Rudramsha.

If you have any questions regarding the same, you will need to ask

those who are using this method. Till now I have not tried the method

but was simply exchanging notes as Sri Swee had asked for them.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

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On 3/7/06, Raghunatha RaoNemani <raon1008 wrote: