Calculating Upa-pada or Arudha of the 12th

[Guest guest]

Namaste Frank and Brendan,

 

Verse from BPHS:

 

swasthaanam saptamam naivam padam bhavitumarhati |

tasmin padatwe vijneyam madhyam turyam kramaat padam || 29-4

 

Verses from Jaimini (see 1.1.30-1.1.32 in Jaimini Sutras):

 

yaavadeeSaasrayamRkshaaNaam|

swasthe daaraah |

sutasthe janma |

 

As for Sri K.N. Rao, ignore him. He made a lot of points without

any basis. He is a great scholar and researcher, but not a reliable

authority. Respect the man, but ignore his teachings. To elaborate

Brendan's reference to me, I am quoting from my EST article of Jan

2000:

 

" Some scholars (e.g. Sri K.N. Rao) prefer to ignore the exception in

(2) above, but both Parasara and Jaimini mentioned it and it cannot

be ignored. Moreover, the following point may be considered by

learned men: Some results are attributed in literature to the mutual

shashthashtaka (6th/8th) positions of arudha lagna and dara pada

(arudha pada of 7th). If this exception is ignored, it can be

mathematically proved that arudha lagna and dara pada will always be

in mutually odd houses and mutual shashthashtaka position of these

two padas can never occur! Why did maharshis talk about a combination

that never occurs? The readers are urged not to ignore these

exceptions. "

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

varahamihira , Bpfeeley@A... wrote:

> In a message dated 9/12/2000 8:30:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> fschmidt@a... writes:

>

> HARE RAMA KRSHNA

> Namaste Frank,

>

> > thx for this info... Now I have read the rules oh 10 times

> > and I didn't see this rule specifically , but when I seen it

> > in the chart I thought " is there a rule I have not read? " .

> > SO when I look at Upadesa Sutras pg. 15 stanza 1.1.31 , 1.1.32

> > I do not see the rule... is it some place else e.g. BPHS?

> > can you direct me , so I can mark the page....

>

> A good observation and you are right, BHPS or Upadesa Sutras (Rath)

do not

> seem to mention this exception. I use what I have learned from

Gurudev's

> writings and maybe he or Narasimha or any other participant can

answer this

> for us. I have never asked the question myself!

>

> > p.s. Interesting to note that reading KN Rao's approach he:

> > 1. does not move the Arudha to the 4th or 10t. According to KN

Rao

> > there is no proof that this " hop " should take place.

> > 2. Nor does he use Rahu in considering Charakaraka.

>

> Yes, K.N. Rao does ignore the exception related to the house lord

occupying

> 1, 4, 7 or 10 from its own house. Parasara and Jaimini mention this

and

> therefore we cannot ignore it. Narasimha once made the astute

observation

> that references are made to the mutual shashthashtaka (6/8)

positions of

> arudha lagna and dara pada. He pointed out that if you ignore the

exceptions,

> then the arudha lagna and dara pada will always be in mutually odd

houses and

> mutual shashthashtaka position of these two padas cannot occur!

Play with

> some examples using the KN Rao method and you will see for yourself.

>

> Best Regards,

> Brendan

[Guest guest]

Namaste Brendan and Frank,

 

A previous mail from me this morning did not make it to the list.

 

Here are the references:

 

Verse from BPHS:

 

swasthaanam saptamam naivam padam bhavitumarhati |

tasmin padatwe vijneyam madhyam turyam kramaat padam || 29-4

 

Verses from Jaimini (see 1.1.30-1.1.32 in Jaimini Sutras):

 

yaavadeeSaasrayamRkshaaNaam|

swasthe daaraah |

sutasthe janma |

 

Sri K.N. Rao is an excellent scholar and a great researcher, but

not a reliable authority. We should respect the researcher in

him and ignore the teacher in him. As far as arudhas and karakas

are concerned, ignore him.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

varahamihira , Bpfeeley@A... wrote:

> In a message dated 9/12/2000 8:30:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> fschmidt@a... writes:

>

> HARE RAMA KRSHNA

> Namaste Frank,

>

> > thx for this info... Now I have read the rules oh 10 times

> > and I didn't see this rule specifically , but when I seen it

> > in the chart I thought " is there a rule I have not read? " .

> > SO when I look at Upadesa Sutras pg. 15 stanza 1.1.31 , 1.1.32

> > I do not see the rule... is it some place else e.g. BPHS?

> > can you direct me , so I can mark the page....

>

> A good observation and you are right, BHPS or Upadesa Sutras (Rath)

do not

> seem to mention this exception. I use what I have learned from

Gurudev's

> writings and maybe he or Narasimha or any other participant can

answer this

> for us. I have never asked the question myself!

>

> > p.s. Interesting to note that reading KN Rao's approach he:

> > 1. does not move the Arudha to the 4th or 10t. According to KN

Rao

> > there is no proof that this " hop " should take place.

> > 2. Nor does he use Rahu in considering Charakaraka.

>

> Yes, K.N. Rao does ignore the exception related to the house lord

occupying

> 1, 4, 7 or 10 from its own house. Parasara and Jaimini mention this

and

> therefore we cannot ignore it. Narasimha once made the astute

observation

> that references are made to the mutual shashthashtaka (6/8)

positions of

> arudha lagna and dara pada. He pointed out that if you ignore the

exceptions,

> then the arudha lagna and dara pada will always be in mutually odd

houses and

> mutual shashthashtaka position of these two padas cannot occur!

Play with

> some examples using the KN Rao method and you will see for yourself.

>

> Best Regards,

> Brendan

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/13/2000 6:49:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

gauranga writes:

 

JAYA JAGANNATHA

 

Namaste Gauranga Das,

 

Frank had a question re calculating the Upapada in his own chart. I sent him

the set of rules below. In his chart lord of 12th is in the 9th, 10th from

12th, and therefore 3rd become the Upapada. The exception is that when the

lord of a house is in the 10th therefrom, the 4th becomes the arudha. I

believe I have this right. JHL always gives this result and I compiled the

rules from the list sometime in the past.

 

Frank rightly pointed out that this particular exception is not mentioned in

BPHS or Upadesa Sutras?? Please comment.

Regards,

Brendan

 

 

*************

There are exception in calculating the Arudha lagna and here they are. You

must also use the dual lordships of Scorpio (Mars and Ketu) and Aquarius

(Saturn and Rahu). You must determine which ruler is stronger and count from

there. That is how JHL does it. Your AL is Pisces and not Virgo! Ketu is

stronger that Mars.

 

** Determining the Arudha Lagna

- Consider the house for which arudha pada has to be found. Find its lord.

Count signs from the house to its lord. Count the same number of signs from

lord.

- The resulting house is the arudha or pada of the original house.

 

** Important Exceptions (BPHS, Ch 29, Slk 4-5):

- If the lord of the house is in the same house, then the 10th therefrom

becomes the Arudha (e.g., Jupiter in Sagittarius lagna, Virgo is Arudha

lagna).

- If the lord a house is in the 7th, then the 10th becomes the Arudha, i.e.,

the 4th from the original house.

- If the lord of the house be in the 4th, then the 4th itself becomes the

Arudha (e.g., Sagittarius lagna, Jupiter in Pisces in 4th, then Pisces

becomes the Arudha).

- If the lord of the house is in the 10th, the Arudha becomes the 4th.

 

****************

 

> Dear Brendan and Frank,

> >

> > HARE RAMA KRSHNA

> > Namaste Frank,

> >

> > > thx for this info... Now I have read the rules oh 10 times

> > > and I didn't see this rule specifically , but when I seen it

> > > in the chart I thought " is there a rule I have not read? " .

> > > SO when I look at Upadesa Sutras pg. 15 stanza 1.1.31 , 1.1.32

> > > I do not see the rule... is it some place else e.g. BPHS?

> > > can you direct me , so I can mark the page....

> >

> > A good observation and you are right, BHPS or Upadesa Sutras (Rath) do

not

> > seem to mention this exception. I use what I have learned from Gurudev's

> > writings and maybe he or Narasimha or any other participant can answer

> this

> > for us. I have never asked the question myself!

>

> What is the point here, I don't understand. May Ihvae the birth data and

see

> what is this

> exception? I was aware only of the point that Arudha can't fal into the

same

> house or the

> 7th from it. This is because these houses are called Satya Peetham, so

Maya

> can fall only

> into the other houses. But is there any other exception? I'm also

interested

> to know it.

>

> Yours, Gauranga das

[Guest guest]

Dear Brendan & Frank,

Jaya Jagannath

 

The specific slokas in the Upadesa Sutra read

" SWASTHE DARAHA " AND " SUTASTHE JANMA "

The translation given in all other books is different from ny work. Please

read my book as well as the mathematical rendering of this stanza.

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

-

<Bpfeeley

<varahamihira >

Thursday, September 14, 2000 10:14 Rath

Re: [sri Guru] Calculating Upa-pada or Arudha of the 12th

 

 

>

> In a message dated 9/13/2000 6:49:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> gauranga writes:

>

> JAYA JAGANNATHA

>

> Namaste Gauranga Das,

>

> Frank had a question re calculating the Upapada in his own chart. I sent

him

> the set of rules below. In his chart lord of 12th is in the 9th, 10th from

> 12th, and therefore 3rd become the Upapada. The exception is that when the

> lord of a house is in the 10th therefrom, the 4th becomes the arudha. I

> believe I have this right. JHL always gives this result and I compiled the

> rules from the list sometime in the past.

>

> Frank rightly pointed out that this particular exception is not mentioned

in

> BPHS or Upadesa Sutras?? Please comment.

> Regards,

> Brendan

>

>

> *************

> There are exception in calculating the Arudha lagna and here they are. You

> must also use the dual lordships of Scorpio (Mars and Ketu) and Aquarius

> (Saturn and Rahu). You must determine which ruler is stronger and count

from

> there. That is how JHL does it. Your AL is Pisces and not Virgo! Ketu is

> stronger that Mars.

>

> ** Determining the Arudha Lagna

> - Consider the house for which arudha pada has to be found. Find its lord.

> Count signs from the house to its lord. Count the same number of signs

from

> lord.

> - The resulting house is the arudha or pada of the original house.

>

> ** Important Exceptions (BPHS, Ch 29, Slk 4-5):

> - If the lord of the house is in the same house, then the 10th therefrom

> becomes the Arudha (e.g., Jupiter in Sagittarius lagna, Virgo is Arudha

> lagna).

> - If the lord a house is in the 7th, then the 10th becomes the Arudha,

i.e.,

> the 4th from the original house.

> - If the lord of the house be in the 4th, then the 4th itself becomes the

> Arudha (e.g., Sagittarius lagna, Jupiter in Pisces in 4th, then Pisces

> becomes the Arudha).

> - If the lord of the house is in the 10th, the Arudha becomes the 4th.

>

> ****************

>

> > Dear Brendan and Frank,

> > >

> > > HARE RAMA KRSHNA

> > > Namaste Frank,

> > >

> > > > thx for this info... Now I have read the rules oh 10 times

> > > > and I didn't see this rule specifically , but when I seen it

> > > > in the chart I thought " is there a rule I have not read? " .

> > > > SO when I look at Upadesa Sutras pg. 15 stanza 1.1.31 , 1.1.32

> > > > I do not see the rule... is it some place else e.g. BPHS?

> > > > can you direct me , so I can mark the page....

> > >

> > > A good observation and you are right, BHPS or Upadesa Sutras (Rath)

do

> not

> > > seem to mention this exception. I use what I have learned from

Gurudev's

> > > writings and maybe he or Narasimha or any other participant can

answer

> > this

> > > for us. I have never asked the question myself!

> >

> > What is the point here, I don't understand. May Ihvae the birth data

and

> see

> > what is this

> > exception? I was aware only of the point that Arudha can't fal into the

> same

> > house or the

> > 7th from it. This is because these houses are called Satya Peetham, so

> Maya

> > can fall only

> > into the other houses. But is there any other exception? I'm also

> interested

> > to know it.

> >

> > Yours, Gauranga das

>

>

> OM TAT SAT

> Archive: varahamihira

> Info: varahamihira/info.html

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste Brendan,

 

> Frank rightly pointed out that this particular exception is not

mentioned in

> BPHS or Upadesa Sutras?? Please comment.

> Regards,

> Brendan

 

It is mentioned in both. I sent two mails yesterday on this.

Just check the archives.

 

Hare Rama Krishna,

Narasimha