Reply to Karu & Sat Siri- Saptamsa - Case study-2

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OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

JAYA JAGANNATHA

Namaste Karu and Sat Siri,

I cropped some of the agreed portions and combined some of the portions of

your mails.

I give the comments below.

Thanks

Solai Kannan

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Karu: Here I cannot understand why you neglect strong papargala from Mars on

1st child. According to Cancer, 10th lord is maraka for 1st child.

Sat Siri: Yes, 10L Mars makes papargala on Jupiter in paka lagna of first

son. However Mars itself could be said to be multiply obstructed by planets

in 12th from Mars, i.e. Venus, Jupiter, Mercury.

Karu:If we stretch this rule like this we will never have a chance to use

argala any more. Argala from 2nd house can be obstructed only by 12th house.

Solai:I don't think Sat Siri is stretching the rule. I think she

misunderstood the obstruction concept. If we are seeing argala on house 'x'

say Libra, 2nd sign (or planets in 2nd sign) from Libra, i.e, Scorpio has

argala on Libra and 12th sign (or planets in 12th sign) from Libra, i.e.,

Virgo obstruct the argala of Scorpio. Not 12th sign from the 2nd sign. That

is Libra itself. A house cannot obstruct argala on its house. I hope I

didn't confuse further.

 

Sat Siri wrote: Bhukti lord Mercury is lord of third from D-7 Lagna.

Solai: As this exercise is to understand the rules clearly, here we need to

get the correct rule. Because, as per lesson, " lords of 3rd and 8th house

from the Lagna " . So, I think, it must be the Child's lagna. Not Saptamsa

lagna.

Sat Siri: Here you raise a point I had not thought of. I agree this needs

clarification. I prefer taking it from D-7 lagna itself but definitely stand

ready for correction. Now also, referring back to COVA it says on p. 185,

" The antardasa lord should be seen from trines to the lord of the issue or

its 7th or 12th house, or strong argalas. " Here, if Jupiter is lord of the

first son, the antardasa could be Mercury which is lord of a trine to

Jupiter, Gemini , and the 12th from Jupiter, Virgo.

This seems to support that the 3rd 8th possibilities should be from D-7

lagna, not child's paka lagna. If from the Child's paka lagna you can take

1st, 5th 9th 7th 12th, it seems unlikely to be also 3rd and 8th. It is

getting too diluted. That's half of the houses.

Karu: Did you think why lesson says 3rd /8th and why COVA says 7th and

12th.?

3rd and 8th is 4th and 11th to the 5th (forward count) such as for male and

odd lagna charts. 12th and 7th is 4th and 11th from 5th (reveres count) for

female and even lagna charts.

We have to work very hard to understand Gurudeva's writing. So antar dasa

could be a planet related to 4th and 11th house to 5th for 1st child. Now

you may have to find again the antar dasa of 2nd child.

Solai:Here is a confusion. The lesson says " lords of 3rd and 8th houses from

the lagna " . Here it is not given whether it is Child's lagna or Saptamsa

lagna. And (as per Sat Siri, I don't have COVA yet) COVA says, " The

antardasa lord should be seen from trines to the lord of the issue or its

7th or 12th house, or strong argalas. "

So, as per lesson it is to be seen from lagna and as per COVA it is to be

seen from child's pakalagna. This is the basic difference.

Moreover, if you see 3rd house from 5th, it is 7th from the Saptamsa lagna.

Similarly, 8th from 5th house, it is 12th from Saptamsa lagna. So, both can

be same if we look at them from the lagna of child and Saptamsa lagna

respectively.

It can be like this, lords of 3rd/8th house from Child's lagna, 5th, 7th,

9th house etc.,

AND/OR 7th/12th house from the Saptamsa lagna for the first child and there

after it should be every 3rd house from there. In this way both descriptions

are same.

Only Gurudeva can clarify this.

After this clarification, we can conclude between Cancer and Leo.

Thanks

Solai Kannan

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Namaste Solai and Karu,

Thanks for your replies and I have had to reconsider and change opinions.

Not everything on the rules about antardasas is still clear although your points

below about 3rd/8th for males and 7th/12th for females is probably IT--I have to

experiment more with that.

As for Karu's chart rectifiation Leo seems almost picture perfect, and I

will re-summarize it:

 

(remembering that birth should be timed from nadi sodhana, sometimes even when

we think we have time recorded exactly we took it without waiting for the

cutting of the cord and it should be few minutes later)

 

For Leo, first son is Sagittarius with exalted Ketu.

Paka Lagna is Jup in Lib

Jup has argala on D-7 lord Sun

Astottari dasa Mars/Jup

Mars has no argala on Sun but has argala on Leo

Jup is child's paka lagnesh

Vimsottari dasa Jup/Mer

Jup has argala on D-7 lord Sun

Mercury is associated with paka lagna

Tithi is Moon, lord of 10th from paka lagna

Asc. at birth is Libra, child's paka lagna although not kendra of father's D-7

(Note: that issue about involvement of 6th lord on 5th or 10th lord on 9th also

exists here, where Saturn's involvement on 5th house is more intense in this

case--rasi, graha drishti and argala--- than in Cancer chart, 10th lord Mars's

argala on child's paka lagna. Perhaps exalted

Ketu here overpowers Saturn's influence?)

 

 

Second son is Aquarius.

Paka Lagna is Rahu in Gem

Rahu associates with D-7 lord Sun

Astottari dasa Mer/Mer.

Mer has arg on D-7 lord Sun

Mer rules child's paka lagna

Vimsottari dasa Jup/Sun

Jup has arg on D-7 lord Sun

Sun is in child's paka lagna

Tithi is Mars, which is in tenth from Aquarius, NOT tenth from paka lagna

Sagittarius asc. at birth is kona of father's D-7

 

 

Be well,

Sat Nam Wahe Jio,

Sat Siri Kaur

 

 

 

 

 

 

Solai Kannan wrote:

 

>

> OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

> JAYA JAGANNATHA

> Namaste Karu and Sat Siri,

> I cropped some of the agreed portions and combined some of the portions of

> your mails.

> I give the comments below.

> Thanks

> Solai Kannan

> --------

> Karu: Here I cannot understand why you neglect strong papargala from Mars on

> 1st child. According to Cancer, 10th lord is maraka for 1st child.

> Sat Siri: Yes, 10L Mars makes papargala on Jupiter in paka lagna of first

> son. However Mars itself could be said to be multiply obstructed by planets

> in 12th from Mars, i.e. Venus, Jupiter, Mercury.

> Karu:If we stretch this rule like this we will never have a chance to use

> argala any more. Argala from 2nd house can be obstructed only by 12th house.

> Solai:I don't think Sat Siri is stretching the rule. I think she

> misunderstood the obstruction concept. If we are seeing argala on house 'x'

> say Libra, 2nd sign (or planets in 2nd sign) from Libra, i.e, Scorpio has

> argala on Libra and 12th sign (or planets in 12th sign) from Libra, i.e.,

> Virgo obstruct the argala of Scorpio. Not 12th sign from the 2nd sign. That

> is Libra itself. A house cannot obstruct argala on its house. I hope I

> didn't confuse further.

>

> Sat Siri wrote: Bhukti lord Mercury is lord of third from D-7 Lagna.

> Solai: As this exercise is to understand the rules clearly, here we need to

> get the correct rule. Because, as per lesson, " lords of 3rd and 8th house

> from the Lagna " . So, I think, it must be the Child's lagna. Not Saptamsa

> lagna.

> Sat Siri: Here you raise a point I had not thought of. I agree this needs

> clarification. I prefer taking it from D-7 lagna itself but definitely stand

> ready for correction. Now also, referring back to COVA it says on p. 185,

> " The antardasa lord should be seen from trines to the lord of the issue or

> its 7th or 12th house, or strong argalas. " Here, if Jupiter is lord of the

> first son, the antardasa could be Mercury which is lord of a trine to

> Jupiter, Gemini , and the 12th from Jupiter, Virgo.

> This seems to support that the 3rd 8th possibilities should be from D-7

> lagna, not child's paka lagna. If from the Child's paka lagna you can take

> 1st, 5th 9th 7th 12th, it seems unlikely to be also 3rd and 8th. It is

> getting too diluted. That's half of the houses.

> Karu: Did you think why lesson says 3rd /8th and why COVA says 7th and

> 12th.?

> 3rd and 8th is 4th and 11th to the 5th (forward count) such as for male and

> odd lagna charts. 12th and 7th is 4th and 11th from 5th (reveres count) for

> female and even lagna charts.

> We have to work very hard to understand Gurudeva's writing. So antar dasa

> could be a planet related to 4th and 11th house to 5th for 1st child. Now

> you may have to find again the antar dasa of 2nd child.

> Solai:Here is a confusion. The lesson says " lords of 3rd and 8th houses from

> the lagna " . Here it is not given whether it is Child's lagna or Saptamsa

> lagna. And (as per Sat Siri, I don't have COVA yet) COVA says, " The

> antardasa lord should be seen from trines to the lord of the issue or its

> 7th or 12th house, or strong argalas. "

> So, as per lesson it is to be seen from lagna and as per COVA it is to be

> seen from child's pakalagna. This is the basic difference.

> Moreover, if you see 3rd house from 5th, it is 7th from the Saptamsa lagna.

> Similarly, 8th from 5th house, it is 12th from Saptamsa lagna. So, both can

> be same if we look at them from the lagna of child and Saptamsa lagna

> respectively.

> It can be like this, lords of 3rd/8th house from Child's lagna, 5th, 7th,

> 9th house etc.,

> AND/OR 7th/12th house from the Saptamsa lagna for the first child and there

> after it should be every 3rd house from there. In this way both descriptions

> are same.

> Only Gurudeva can clarify this.

> After this clarification, we can conclude between Cancer and Leo.

> Thanks

> Solai Kannan

>

> OM TAT SAT

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