[Jagannath] jiva, vishnu, chaitanya

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Jaya Jagannath

Dear Zavisa,

The Holy Dwadasakshari is meant for worshipping Krishna in His form as

Vasudeva or the giver of enlightenment (Vasu-Holy Light of knowledge).

Parasara Muni teaches that the self of Narayana can be viewed as composed of

four parts. Three of these parts are of Amrita and are beyond the

conception/reach of mortals. Thus you and I within our limited visions

CANNOT attain this levels in this body (I accept this fact of my being an

unholy jiva). For the sake of our understanding Parasara calls this

ParamBrahma, ParamVishnu and ParamShiva. Thus sampradaya who claim to give

instant moksha due to a direct link that they have with the " PARA LEVEL " are

bluffing as it is not possible for mortals like us to attain this. Thus, the

first teaching of the Parampara is that we should humbly accept our

limitations. In all the writings of Srila you will find this humility. The

Ahamkara has to go.

Parasara also teaches that the fourth part of Narayana is accessible to

Humans of higher attainments. He uses the name Vasudeva. He further explains

that these parts are in no way lesser than the whole as given in the mantra

" OM PURNAMADAH PURNAMIDAM PURNAAT.... " . Thus, there is no difference between

Narayana, ParamBrahma, ParamShiva and Vasudeva. Any attempt at

differentiation is a manifestation of our own RajoGuna. For *our

understanding* Parasara uses these names and He himself does not have

problems in the understanding being immersed in pure knowledge. Thus from

the Human viewpoint the only " accessible " portion of Godhead is " Vasudeva "

or the giver of enlightenment and Parasara also teaches that in the

Amritatatwa Vasudeva is to be understood as having His two Queens

(Rukmini-Lakshmi for Satwa Guna and Satyabhama for Rajo Guna). Again, this

part is not accessible by normal mortals.

Where do we stand??? Parasara teaches that for the creation, sustenance

and dissolution of this entire universe Vasudeva has YOGA with his three

Queens and THIS IS ACCESSIBLE by normal mortals. These three Queens help us

in the process of creation (Satyabhama-Rajo Guna for creation), sustenance

(Rukmini -Satwa Guna for sustenance) and Dissolution (Radharani- for

destruction of Tamas). These three queens play the most vital part in " our "

Yoga with Vasudeva Krishna. I shall attempt to explain the aspect which is

most important in Kali Yuga. During Kali, the Tamas will spread rapidly and

the humans will be in complete illusion. They shall lie and shall share

lies. Srila has given enough examples on this and I don't have to add

anymore. Thus, you, I and all these Swami's Guru's etc are going to live in

this age of illusion and lies. The path for the destruction of Tams is seen

through Radharani. Now, all texts teach that " Radha is Shiva!! " . This is not

easy to understand, but I shall try. Shiva is the Yoga for destruction of

Tamas and Radha is the manifestation of Shiva for Yoga with Vasudeva for the

sake of destruction of Tamas. Thus, another name for Radha is " Hara or

Hare " . Hence in the monumental classic Guru Bhakti Gita, Achyuta Prabhu

teaches that the NATURAL MANTRA FOR KALIYUGA IS " HARE KRISHNA " the four

letter mantra. Here " Hare " is Shiva and thus, Radharani and Vasudeva is

Krishna as we see.

Now I shall attempt to answer your questions.

You wrote:-

 

> Sri Sri Guru Gauranga Jayatah

>

> Dear Gurudeva,

>

> Being under the influence of my " wonderful " combination of Jup and Ketu

> in 5th I would like to ask you few questions so I could get out of the

> fog of misunderstanding of that combination. To know what's ketu and

> what's Jup and their interrelation so to speak. Since you asked me to

> stay in touch with SJVC an you I am using this opportunity. I want to

> know what is your position on folowing issues:

> 1. interrelationship of jiva with brahman

> 2. interrelation of jiva with Vishnu

> 3. ontological position of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu in all of this.

RATH: The first two are easily answered with example of Shiva/Radharani I

have given earlier. Both words " Vasudeva " and " Chaitanya " have the similar

goal of giving light/guiding the individual Jiva (to themselves as they are

the " Ayana " of the " Nara " ). That is why from ages, the following mantras are

being used: " AIM CHAITANYAYA NAMAH " for the Creative aspect or " HRUM

CHAITANYAYA NAMAH " for the lighting of a lamp as a symbol of driving aray

ignorance/tamas and " SRI CHAITANYAYA NAMAH " for preserving the purity of the

creation or our Ayana. Here, the three beejalshara " AIM " , " HRUM " & " SHRIM "

are Satyabhama, Radharani and Rukmini respectively.

 

>

> You seem to preach that ultimate goal of every jiva in the Brahmanda is

> to merge with Narayana through dwadasakshari mantra to Vasudeva.

 

RATH: Yes, at least for the present. If you can reach Vasudeva, the rest of

the journey is not far. I also preach worshipping Him with the Astakshari Om

Namo Narayanaya, and am aware of quite a few mantra due to the blessings of

my elders. Have you ever wondered as to with what mantra an animal worships

Him? Why are some animals vegetarian and the others non-veg? If animals did

not worship Him, then how can they improve their Karma to be given Human

Yoni? Try answering these and you will have the answer to the question of

Mantra. As far as the mantra I tell my students to practise is concerned,

you know that it is not this.

 

> This is the philosophy of yogis, and bhakti to Vasudeva in such

> tradition is in lines of Bhaktivinode Thakur called yoga-misra bhakti,

> that is its aim is not pleasing directly to transcendental

> Vraja(yugala-kisora) Krishna, rather to his expansion Narayana, and its

> mixed with yoga system, so is called yoga-misra bhakti. There is also

> karma and jnana misra bhaktis.

 

RATH: Can you have perfect bhakti?? Is it so easy like buying ice-cream???

Let us not fool ourselves. We have desires and goals and for these desires

and goals we worship Krishna. To this extent our love for Him is " misra " or

mixed and not pure Bhakti. For perfect bhakti, perfect renunciation of all

desires has to be there. When this renunciation happens, then alone can

there be perfect Bhakti.

 

Now as you are in the tradition of Acyuta

> dasa who was one of panca-sakha of Mahaprabhu and was following him and

> consequently addopted(it must be-I cannot accept it otherwise based on

> my understanding of parampara till now) prema as the 5th

> purushartha(goal of life) rather than dharma, artha, kama & moksha, and

> as he is said in Gaura-Gannodesa-dipika to be an incarnation of both

> Acyuta gopi and Kartikkeya, I then do not understand your position on

> all of this in regards to your parampara. In one instance you said that:

>

RATH: This is due to your lack of appreciation of the principles of Jyotish

itself, why talk of higher things. When you know the Sankhya shastra (as

explained by Krishna in the Gita and have the Jyoti to be called a Daivagya)

you will easily see what I am trying to tell here. In the Bha-Chakra the

four Ayana of Dharma, Artha, Kama and Moksha are seen from the respective

trikona called Lagna/Dharma Trikona, Artha/karma trikona, Dara/Kama trikona

and Sukha/Moksha trikona. These trikona are also understood from the natural

trines as belonging to Agni, Prithvi, Vayu and Jala respectively. However,

the Akasha Tatwa permeates all signs. Thus for example in Aries/Mesha Rasi

you will find a predominance of Agni with Akasha over the other tatwa and

this is true of the Lagna also.

Thus if Akash tatwa gives the fifth Ayana of Bhakti and rules the Shanti

mantra, its manifestation in the Bha-chakra shall " Always " be with one of

the other four tatwa. Thus in this world men shall always have

" misra-bhakti " and the very few fortunate ones to have perfect bhakti for

which they have to rise above the constrints of this Bha-chakra.

BhaktiVinoda Thakura was trying to explain this and to tell us where we

stand???

Given this clear lines of definition, look at the Guru's and Swami's and

tell me who is the most perfect one today. Why do some people leave ISKCON

when they feel that they are not being given the highest position or power

or authority? Or when they perceive punishment? Are they not fortunate that

they are not being given the power so that their Bhakti is not diluted? Are

they not fortunate for being punished for the flesh/beef they have eaten?

Even if they wished to leave ISKCON, was it proper to start another

organisation so that they get " adequate " recognition? Why did they not go

straight to Vrindavan or Jagannath or any other place to spend the rest of

their lives in spiritual pursuits? Are they prepared to walk out of the

" leadership " or headship and go to Jagannath for their prayers? The answer

to these questions from most of the Swami's will be " NO " (Actually they will

say Yes and this will be a LIE for most of them).

I have seen many and met many, but there is one person in ISKON, who

does not enjoy any high position or power and lives a very simple life. He

follows the pure path and has renounced the American passport so that He can

stay at Vrindavan permanently. He did not renounce the passport because he

liked America less, but because he liked Krishna/stay at Vrindavan more. He

does not drive Mercedes cars for Tirtha Yatra and does not wear saffron

" silk robes " . He does not have attendants and Sisya to bring his food. He

earns some little money by writing Books on Krishna Prema and donates most

of it. He lived in the Himalayas carrying his water and using the natural

toilets in the open. Believe me if anybody can have him as a Guru he/she

will be a very fortunate soul. They call him " MAHANIDHI SWAMI " . He was not

giving Diksha for so many years so that he does not get Ahamkara of being a

Diksha Guru. I don't know if he has started.

I am a very small Siksha Guru, and I do not want to lie so I answer

" YES " to the above question. My yes is limited to my Misra-Bhakti of my

pursuit of knowledge and for a small person like me, the Guru and the books

of tradition are important sources of knowledge. Thus I follow Gyana-Misra

Bhakti with the hope that someday He (Jagannatha Mahaprabhu) will have some

Mercy for this tormented soul. Sri Sri Achyuta Dasa, one of the Pancha

Saksha was regarded as Swayam Agni and I pray that He continues to enlighten

me.

I am sending this to all the mailing lists so that my stand is

completely clear and for the benefit of all Jyotisha. My simple message is

to realise that the Bhagavat Gita is the simplest guide- read, understand

and DIGEST this (Bhagavat Gita -Asit is by Srila Prabhupada is recommended)

before talking of big literature. Lead simple lives, follow this path of

simplicity and atleast be truthful to oneself.

OM TAT SAT

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath