Guest guest Posted October 1, 1999 Report Share Posted October 1, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATHDear Narasimha, This is an exceedingly brilliant reasoning. Now, I will pose another few questions/points: 1. We are reborn because of our own desires and unfinished karma. Thus in any scheme, the Karmic Control planets viz. Rahu and Ketu must find a place. This entire material creation which we call Brahmanda is created by Brahma and is represented by the signs, divisions and the Navagraha (nine planets) in the form of Naisargika Karaka or significatyors of Nature. Thus, Brahma must be associated with the Nine planets. 2. I had also stated that Sthira karaka (Seven Planets) are associated with death and Shiva. We also know that Shivattatwa is seen in the fixed signs. 3. By exclusion the Chara Karaka (eight Graha excluding Ketu) must be associated with Vishnutatwa and is responsible for our Moksha, Pala and Guru etc. 4. Your allotment of planetary periods for 7 years to chara, 8 to Sthira and 9 to Dwisbhava is also very correct. 5. The question is HOW TO RECONSILE THESE TWO SEEMINGLY DIVERGEANT NUMBERS IN EACH SIGN? Clue: The first jyotish lesson I teach at SJVC on Mahavishnu and the Atma. Hare KrishnaSanjay Rath - Narasimha Rao varahamihira Friday, October 01, 1999 7:24 AM More on Karakas Question Pranaam Sanjay, I don't know if my question is correctly understood. I will try again. The Brilliance of Narasimha is again showing. I am really proud of him. Please read theActually I merely remembered what you said earlier and pointed out an apparent inconsistency. You wrote a week back: FOOD (Mahaprasad) FOR THOUGHT What are the implications of this lordship and Charakaraka? What can you think. 2. There are three types of Significators. These are Naisargika (Natural) Karaka of the nine Graha; the Chara (Temporal) Karaka of the 8 Graha (excluding Ketu) and the Sthira (Fixed) karaka of the 7 Graha (Excluding Rahu & Ketu). Does this strike a bell? Is there a "SERIES" involved in the thinking of Maharishi Parasara? IN ANY CASE TRY TO THINK ABOUT THE PRINCIPLE INVOLVED. Why were the exclusions done? 3. There are certain Dasa which use fixed periods of 7, 8 & 9 Years for the three types of signs. Can this "SERIES" be the basis? When I read question 3 above, I naturally thought the following: Chara rasis (Brahma) have 7 years in sthira dasa, sthira rasis (Shiva) have 8 years, and dwiswabhava rasis (Vishnu) have 9 years. These are the "natural" years associated with these 3 kinds of signs and they are used in sthira dasa, mandooka dasa etc. You were suggesting to link these with karakas. How? Let us see. Sthira karakas are used to see the birth and death of relatives (with physical bodies). Since they signify entities with physical bodies, Brahma (who creates them) is not entirely inappropriate. So sthira karakas relate to chara rasis (Brahma) in nature and so chara rasis get 7 years - one per each sthira karaka who manifests Brahma's lila of creation of living beings. Chara karakas show suffering and purification. For example, chara atma karaka shows suffering and resultant purification of soul. Suffering and purification clearly falls under the jurisdiction of Shiva. He gives suffering, but purifies. So chara karakas relate to sthira rasis (Shiva) in nature and so sthira raiss get 8 years - one per each chara karaka who manifests Shiva's lila of punishment and purification. Naisargika karakas are important in phalita jyotisha. They show all kinds of results experienced during the course of one's life. This clearly falls under the jurisdiction of Vishnu - The Sustainer of the Trinity. So naisargika karakas relate to dwiswabhava rasis (Vishnu) in nature and so dwiswabhava raiss get 9 years - one per each naisargika karaka who manifests Vishnu's lila of sustenance of life. The above made good sense to me when I thought of it. It matches the dasa years 7, 8, 9 allotted to various signs (and Gods) to the 3 types of karakas. The numbers match and I think the natures also match. However, you said something contrary to it in a later post: NAISARGIKA KARAKA The naisargika Karaka are the natural significators and are used in Phalita Jyotisha. Hence all the nine are used. They represent all creatures and bodies by the interactions of the signs, their divisions and the nine planets. Since they are a part and parcel of the creation of Brahma, they are also analogous to the Movable signs. After reading this, I wondered how you proposed to match 7, 8, 9 years with 7, 8, 9 karakas. You are mapping naisargika karakas (9) to movable rasis/Brahma (7 years). The mapping is lost. On the other hand, if we associate the seven sthira karakas (and not the nine naisargika karakas as you did above) with Brahma, the mapping will be right (one year per karaka). It also make sense because sthira karakas stand for relatives (physical bodies!) created by Brahma. If we associate the nine naisargika karakas to Vishnu (and not to Brahma as you did above), mapping becomes right (9 to 9). Also, it will make sense because naisargika karakas show all kinds of phalita in life and Vishnu is appropriate. Can you please clarify why you mapped naisargika karakas to Brahma/movable signs instead of Vishnu/dual signs? What is wrong in my thinking given in the table above? May Jupiter's light shine on us, Your grateful sishya, Narasimha Click Here! OM TAT SATJaya Jagannatha Mahaprabhu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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