Guest guest Posted January 7, 2001 Report Share Posted January 7, 2001 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Visti, Namaste. A few additions below. Om Krishna Guru Namaste. I wasn't sure whether there was a certain order or time for sending in these lessons, but since people are answering now, i'll begin sending mine in. +---------------+ 1. God is everywhere in everything, when i speak he speaks, when i move, he moves, and thus he is in constant motion, around me and everywhere. He derives his power from Shakti and in this unified form becomes Narayana, no-longer he nor she, but everything, beyond perception, but within grasp. 2. Meditation, devotion, acknowledgement. 3. All is God.We are not dominated by god, we must abide by the constant motion that he in the form of Vasudevaya creates, to be able to perform action, thus our free will is in grasp, however this free will is performed through god, and can thus be predicted. Vasudevaya in the form of Vishnu and thus Krishna, could have made Arjuna fight that day on the battle field, yet he took the time to purswade him nevertheless. Therefore we dominate god, for he cannot perform his actions without us, however the good or evil of these actions. I do not agree with this. As you have mentioned Bhagavad-gita, I suggest you to read it with the commentaries of Srila Prabhupada. Krishna says to Arjunain the 11th chapter: you can only become an instrument. I have already killed all the warriors. So He is not dependent on anyone to perform His actions. He is Parama Swatantra, i.e. the Supreme Independent Person. There is only one way to control Him, it's by pure bhakti, or love, as the Varjavasis do. He becomes subservient to them, and even to Arjuna, but out of His independent free will, and not out of duty or obligation. He agreed to be Arjuna's chariot driver out of love, and because of Arjuna's love for Him. It's not easy to understand Krishna. Only those can understand Him, who are pure devotees (Bhaktyaa tva anyayaa shakyaa aham evam vidho 'rjuna jnaatum drashtum ca tattwena praveshtum cha parantapa) For the god-fearing, I can only recommend meditating, and let the sense of everything engulf you, sense that the air you breathe is god, and that the body you behold is god, and all actions and will is god. When I see god i smile.. I smile quite often. The highest form of meditation is devotional service, and devotees are the highest yougis, as expressed by Sri Krishna at the end of Ch. 6. 4. A priest guides without predictive knowledge of past present and future of the native. A Jyotisha has this power, yet the Jyotisha guides with priestly ability. I think that a real priest can become trikalajna, i.e. knower of past, present and future of the individual by God's grace, if this is needed to guide his dependants towards God. But I agree that the Jyotisha should also have the mentality of guiding the clients towards their ultimate benefit. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer <gauranga Phone:+36-309-140-839 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2001 Report Share Posted January 12, 2001 Om Hrim Hamsa Soham Swaha Dear Kiersten, At long last someone got the correct answer to the third question. This is the path of a Brahma Yogi, who through the supreme path of knowledge shall attain Godhead. When someone says 'God is All', I say no, 'All is God' and when they say 'All is God', I say 'God is All'. Actually both are right. If you see the debates on the definition of God through the definition of the Brahman, then it is in this form.. Brahman is water, but Brahman is not water.. God is All, but God is not All.. Kena Upanishad is a nice book to start with. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - " Bhaktin Kiersten " <khd <varahamihira > Thursday, January 11, 2001 6:32 PM [sri Guru] Lesson 1 > > 3. Which statement is more relevant: a. God is all, or b. All is God. > While both statements sound equally relevant, I sense that " God is > all " better expresses His omnipotence and His true identity as > Supreme Personality of Godhead. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2001 Report Share Posted January 14, 2001 Om Hrim Hamsa Soham Swaha Thanks, Sanjay. My apologies for not appreciating from the start that you were attempting to shake ignorance and compliment useful approach. Brahman is, as you state, not captured by words or even such divine techniques as those of Jyotish. As the Gita puts it, " The Self knows itself through itself by itself " . However, I had the pleasure of asserting Brahman's singular nature and of hearing your reply so my love was not put into a desert. Jai Shri Ram, Steve --- Sanjay Rath <srath wrote: > Om Hrim Hamsa Soham Swaha > Dear Steve, > A very brilliant answer from one like you. > Understanding Brahman is > difficult, and so is the Narayana Dasa. This > question is normally asked to a > beginner at the time of entry to SJVC, the first > lesson I think. The point > is that I want to send an important message 'WHAT > YOU THINK YOU KNOW MAY NOT > BE WHAT IS CORRECT " . Recently one as learned as > Narasimha was baffled as to > why I had predicted something about Dr.M.M.Joshi in > September 2001 when none > of the Dasa start near this time. My clarification > telephonically was > " Almost all Jyotisha think that Rajyoga begin with > the start of a sub-period > and end with the ending of one. This notion built > due to improper teaching > or training is fixed deep inside the mind and is > wrong. Maharishis have > given us various tools to determine whether the > planet shall give its > results in the begining (1-3antardasa), middle > (4-6antardasa) or end > (7-9antardasa). " > > I am not a Diksha Guru and it is not my > intention to explain the true > nature of Brahman. I only kindle that little light > so that the people read > the Kena Upanishad for themselves and tell me what > they think, to find their > paths the way their mainds direct them. All is God > is a narrowing > perspective of saturn and God is all is the > expansive view of Jupiter. These > are views and it helps " ME TO SEE " how best I can > help the one who seeks the > knowledge from me. As regards the spiritual path, I > leave it to their own > destinies..May Jaggannath be kind and guide all to > their Diksha Guru's. > > Finishing here. Again that was a good reply, but > then the definition is > still not complete because among the NAVAGRAHA, > neither Jupiter nor Saturn > alone can define God. This is what I want you all to > think. The Navagraha > themselves, all together cannot define God, so, the > spiritual quest only > begins with Jyotish. It does not and cannot end > here. Thus the Jaimini's > Upadesa is the begining of Spiritual Astrology, not > its end. That is where > the Gita is relevant. Again the comparision between > two to define what is > correct is also wrong as the question is not > complete, since neither of the > answers are complete in themselves. It is only a > question of relative > accuracy or correctness. > > I hope my clarification is beneficial for all. > Best Regards > Sanjay Rath > - > " Stephen K. Sufian " <veda108 > <varahamihira > > Friday, January 12, 2001 4:42 AM > Re: [sri Guru] Lesson 1 > > > > Sanjay, > > Since God is All--because God is One without a > > Second--All is God. There is only a meaningful > > difference between the two statements for a person > > who, knowing only material reality, implies by > " All is > > God " that God is a collection of parts. > > > > Also, the Upanishadic statement " I know Him yet I > know > > him not " has value from two angles: 1. The shishya > is > > still the Shishya unless the shishya is > > Oneness/Brahman. 2. Brahman cannot be limited by > words > > and hence any words will fail to bind Brahman > > (describe Brahman). Therefore, when using words, > it > > may be appropriate to say " I know Him yet I know > him > > not? " But for a master this hedging is unneeded. > > Yagnyavalkya is an example. When asked " Do you > know > > this? " Yagnyavalkya answered " Yes " . > > > > In short, Brahman is water and water is Brahman > > because there is nothing but Brahman. > > > > If you are advising people to go beyond words and > > material reality, then I suppose this sort of > debating > > has the value of shaking the mind from its > > identification with words, blood and stones. But > if > > you are speaking with people who have reasonable > > amounts of experience of Oneness,as I hope most > people > > on this list do, this sort of debating seems odd. > > > > If I misunderstand you, what point are you making? > To > > what experience are you directing us? > > Jai Shri Ram, > > Steve > > --- Sanjay Rath <srath wrote: > > > Om Hrim Hamsa Soham Swaha > > > Dear Kiersten, > > > At long last someone got the correct answer to > the > > > third question. This is > > > the path of a Brahma Yogi, who through the > supreme > > > path of knowledge shall > > > attain Godhead. When someone says 'God is All', > I > > > say no, 'All is God' and > > > when they say 'All is God', I say 'God is All'. > > > Actually both are right. If > > > you see the debates on the definition of God > through > > > the definition of the > > > Brahman, then it is in this form.. > > > Brahman is water, but Brahman is not water.. > > > God is All, but God is not All.. > > > Kena Upanishad is a nice book to start with. > > > Best Wishes > > > Sanjay Rath > > > - > > > " Bhaktin Kiersten " <khd > > > <varahamihira > > > > Thursday, January 11, 2001 6:32 PM > > > [sri Guru] Lesson 1 > > > > > > > > 3. Which statement is more relevant: a. God is > > > all, or b. All is God. > > > > While both statements sound equally relevant, > I > > > sense that " God is > > > > all " better expresses His omnipotence and His > true > > > identity as > > > > Supreme Personality of Godhead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Photos - Share your holiday photos online! > > > > > > OM TAT SAT > > Archive: varahamihira > > Info: > varahamihira/info.html > > > > > > > > Get email at your own domain with Mail. http://personal.mail./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2001 Report Share Posted January 15, 2001 Namaste Sanjayji and Members Can someone please elaborate on this passage from Lesson l. I am not sure that my understanding of it is correct. "Thus the Work/Kama House (tenth) of the Jyotish is the 9th house (Dharma) or the horoscope and thus Prasna Marga advises us to see the Jyotisha in the 12th House." Thank You Alexandra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2001 Report Share Posted February 11, 2001 Dear Youri, Don't stop yourself. Your answers are very different and refreshing. Expand the fourth answer.. what is the specific names of these mediums (Shakti) to reach Bhagavan and what will you call each of these methods of Yoga? With Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - " Youri Busse " <ventra " Varahamihira " <varahamihira > Sunday, February 11, 2001 1:41 AM [sri Guru] Lesson 1 Namaste Gurus and Members I make this assignment later then other members and I had an opportunity to read the answers, which were made recently and answers of Gurus. Nevertheless I express my sight on the third question. 1. God is sole to what I aspire really. 2. I practice Ahimsa and studying Yoga. 3. I think " God is all " is more relevant , because Sri Krishna says: I am the Self in all the beings; their friend and benefactor I am the God of all I am the supreme cause of their life and death I am the everything in all beings and objects - animate and inanimate I am the motion, of all that is moving. .... Thus I express expansive view of Jupiter, how says Sanjay Rath. 4. The role of a Jyotish is to direct the people to the God by knowledge, priest direct people by trust in the greater degree. With regards, Youri Busse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2001 Report Share Posted February 12, 2001 Namaste dear Sanjay, Dear Youri,Don't stop yourself. Your answers are very different and refreshing. Expandthe fourth answer.. what is the specific names of these mediums (Shakti) toreach Bhagavan and what will you call each of these methods of Yoga? Sorry my ignorance and bad English. I am not sure that I understand your question quite correctly. Can you rephrase your question? With regards,Youri Busse. > -> "Youri Busse" <ventra> "Varahamihira" <varahamihira >> Sunday, February 11, 2001 1:41 AM> [sri Guru] Lesson 1> > > Namaste Gurus and Members> > I make this assignment later then other members and I had an opportunity to> read the answers, which were made recently and answers of Gurus.> Nevertheless I express my sight on the third question.> > 1. God is sole to what I aspire really.> > 2. I practice Ahimsa and studying Yoga.> > 3. I think "God is all" is more relevant , because Sri Krishna says:> > I am the Self in all the beings; their friend and benefactor> I am the God of all> I am the supreme cause of their life and death> I am the everything in all beings and objects - animate and inanimate> I am the motion, of all that is moving.> ...> > Thus I express expansive view of Jupiter, how says Sanjay Rath.> > 4. The role of a Jyotish is to direct the people to the God by knowledge,> priest direct people by trust in the greater degree.> > With regards,> Youri Busse.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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