Guest guest Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 Namaste friends, Sanjay ji asked me to look at the system of Jyotish Gurus and make some recommendations on how to restructure the system and make it more effective. If any of you who have been closely watching SJC and SJC gurus for a while have thoughts to share with me, I will be glad to hear from you and take your input. I may not respond point by point to all those who respond, but I WILL read all the inputs and absorb them. I will use all the inputs when coming up with my final recommendation. Please send private mails only (to pvr), as there is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED to discuss this topic on this list. The main questions are these: (1) Is the current method of selecting Jyotish Gurus adequate? Should the choice be made by one person or several (possibly with one person having the final authority)? (2) Is the name "Jyotish Guru" appropriate? If not, what other names can be used? (3) Should someone appointed as a "Jyotish Guru" remain one for life? Or, should it be possible to cancel it? (4) Did you have an experience with a particular guru which convinced you that that person should not be a guru? Details please. (5) Should there be any formal criteria for being a guru or should it remain subjective as it is now? (6) Should Jyotish gurus be expected to have certain minimum knowledge? What is that minimum knowledge? Do all the current gurus have that? I know there are some uncomfortable issues here, but please feel free to share your honest views. I don't promise to act based on your views, but I WILL try to understand your views and act IF necessary. Sanjay ji told me I can change the way things are being done and I want to understand how OTHERS feel, before I start acting. Thanks for your inputs! May the light of Brahman shine within, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Om Krishna Guru Namaste Narasimha Ji, While I was going thru the old messages, I have found your message. Very important action indeed, as I believe every process can be improved by collecting the necessary metrics. I am glad you are in the process of collecting these metrics and I will write to you about my thoughts on this to you soon privatly. But I wanted to write just one point in the list today and provoke the constructive thinking from my fellow students as well. Let me write the biggest concern for me (I am sure for many of the students like me) is: I do not get timely reply and most of the time the question is ignored or not replied at all from Gurus. There are few Exceptions to my above statement, I always get reply from my Guru Ji, Visti Ji and Swee Ji. But I do not want to bother them always, as they have their life too just like us. That is why I even write private e-mails to other Gurus with my doubts/questions and they do not even acknowledge it. They could have replied by saying, they do not have time to reply to the question, but they do not even do that. Just simply IGNORE, then we have a problem is it not. Commitment, Dedication, Passsion, Descipline to teach are a must for any Jyotish Guru in my humble opinion. How do you propose to solve this I will leave that for you and your team, otherwise serious studetns like me will be surely look for other options or just give up for good from SJC. That is also not good as we have created the momentum and we need to continue this for years to come. So this is the time to act now to make SJC more stronger than before. I am very much willing to assist you and Sanjay Ji on this campaign. While this is the just a one major concern and other may have some more, so I would suggest you to post your message in two more lists if you really want to collect the feedback. They are: 1) Achyuta Gurukulam 2) Vedic Astrology I will write to you privately on some more thoughts I have for your improvement process of " Jyotish Guru System " . Hope you and other Gurus take my words positively and go from there to make our SJC better organization. Regards Raghunatha Rao sohamsa , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr Sat Apr 29, 2006 9:34 pm Jyotish Guru System Namaste friends, Sanjay ji asked me to look at the system of Jyotish Gurus and make some recommendations on how to restructure the system and make it more effective. If any of you who have been closely watching SJC and SJC gurus for a while have thoughts to share with me, I will be glad to hear from you and take your input. I may not respond point by point to all those who respond, but I WILL read all the inputs and absorb them. I will use all the inputs when coming up with my final recommendation. Please send private mails only (to pvr), as there is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED to discuss this topic on this list. The main questions are these: (1) Is the current method of selecting Jyotish Gurus adequate? Should the choice be made by one person or several (possibly with one person having the final authority)? (2) Is the name " Jyotish Guru " appropriate? If not, what other names can be used? (3) Should someone appointed as a " Jyotish Guru " remain one for life? Or, should it be possible to cancel it? (4) Did you have an experience with a particular guru which convinced you that that person should not be a guru? Details please. (5) Should there be any formal criteria for being a guru or should it remain subjective as it is now? (6) Should Jyotish gurus be expected to have certain minimum knowledge? What is that minimum knowledge? Do all the current gurus have that? I know there are some uncomfortable issues here, but please feel free to share your honest views. I don't promise to act based on your views, but I WILL try to understand your views and act IF necessary. Sanjay ji told me I can change the way things are being done and I want to understand how OTHERS feel, before I start acting. Thanks for your inputs! May the light of Brahman shine within, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Narasimha, While you are at it, are you going to review students' behaviour as well? What about the students dedication and humility? What about those students who tend to exploit, pester, misbehave with teachers who are teaching for free anyway and are not obliged to? Of course I must be quick to add that I have no complains about my own students or those of Atri SJC, all of whom are more like my friends and very gentle. But I have had other teachers complain to me about some of the students. The point is both sides of the coins should be examined. Should we continue with those students who are not dedicated and at the same time overbearing and ill behaved? Or should we as teachers discontinue with such students? Best Regards, Sarbani sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Raghunatha RaoNemani Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:42 PM sohamsa Re: Jyotish Guru System Om Krishna Guru Namaste Narasimha Ji, While I was going thru the old messages, I have found your message. Very important action indeed, as I believe every process can be improved by collecting the necessary metrics. I am glad you are in the process of collecting these metrics and I will write to you about my thoughts on this to you soon privatly. But I wanted to write just one point in the list today and provoke the constructive thinking from my fellow students as well. Let me write the biggest concern for me (I am sure for many of the students like me) is: I do not get timely reply and most of the time the question is ignored or not replied at all from Gurus. There are few Exceptions to my above statement, I always get reply from my Guru Ji, Visti Ji and Swee Ji. But I do not want to bother them always, as they have their life too just like us. That is why I even write private e-mails to other Gurus with my doubts/questions and they do not even acknowledge it. They could have replied by saying, they do not have time to reply to the question, but they do not even do that. Just simply IGNORE, then we have a problem is it not. Commitment, Dedication, Passsion, Descipline to teach are a must for any Jyotish Guru in my humble opinion. How do you propose to solve this I will leave that for you and your team, otherwise serious studetns like me will be surely look for other options or just give up for good from SJC. That is also not good as we have created the momentum and we need to continue this for years to come. So this is the time to act now to make SJC more stronger than before. I am very much willing to assist you and Sanjay Ji on this campaign. While this is the just a one major concern and other may have some more, so I would suggest you to post your message in two more lists if you really want to collect the feedback. They are: 1) Achyuta Gurukulam 2) Vedic Astrology I will write to you privately on some more thoughts I have for your improvement process of " Jyotish Guru System " . Hope you and other Gurus take my words positively and go from there to make our SJC better organization. Regards Raghunatha Rao sohamsa , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr Sat Apr 29, 2006 9:34 pm Jyotish Guru System Namaste friends, Sanjay ji asked me to look at the system of Jyotish Gurus and make some recommendations on how to restructure the system and make it more effective. If any of you who have been closely watching SJC and SJC gurus for a while have thoughts to share with me, I will be glad to hear from you and take your input. I may not respond point by point to all those who respond, but I WILL read all the inputs and absorb them. I will use all the inputs when coming up with my final recommendation. Please send private mails only (to pvr), as there is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED to discuss this topic on this list. The main questions are these: (1) Is the current method of selecting Jyotish Gurus adequate? Should the choice be made by one person or several (possibly with one person having the final authority)? (2) Is the name " Jyotish Guru " appropriate? If not, what other names can be used? (3) Should someone appointed as a " Jyotish Guru " remain one for life? Or, should it be possible to cancel it? (4) Did you have an experience with a particular guru which convinced you that that person should not be a guru? Details please. (5) Should there be any formal criteria for being a guru or should it remain subjective as it is now? (6) Should Jyotish gurus be expected to have certain minimum knowledge? What is that minimum knowledge? Do all the current gurus have that? I know there are some uncomfortable issues here, but please feel free to share your honest views. I don't promise to act based on your views, but I WILL try to understand your views and act IF necessary. Sanjay ji told me I can change the way things are being done and I want to understand how OTHERS feel, before I start acting. Thanks for your inputs! May the light of Brahman shine within, Narasimha *tat savitur varenyam* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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