Guest guest Posted January 7, 2001 Report Share Posted January 7, 2001 Dear Narasimha, Pranaams. > Summary: Saturn's exception changes the direction to forward > (zodiacal). In addition, it changes the progression to a regular > Brahma progression (1st, 2nd, 3rd etc) provided that is a legal > progression. If the progression is already zodiacal then does he change it to antizodiacal or leaves it as it is? > Ketu does not change Vishnu and Shiva into Brahma. He does not change > the progression. He only reverses the direction. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer <gauranga Phone:+36-309-140-839 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2001 Report Share Posted January 7, 2001 Pranaam Gauranga, > Dear Narasimha, > > Pranaams. > > > Summary: Saturn's exception changes the direction to forward > > (zodiacal). In addition, it changes the progression to a regular > > Brahma progression (1st, 2nd, 3rd etc) provided that is a legal > > progression. > > If the progression is already zodiacal then does he change it to antizodiacal or leaves it > as it is? Saturn leaves it zodiacal. For your easy reference, I am reproducing a table from my book. When I cut & pasted from word document into text composition window, the formatting is lost, but you can still read it. This table gives the Narayana dasa progression with different dasa start rasis. Table 40: Dasa Progression in Narayana Dasa Dasa seed Dasa Progression Ar (a) Normal: Ar, Ta, Ge, Cn, Le, Vi, Li, Sc, Sg, Cp, Aq, Pi (b) Saturn: Ar, Ta, Ge, Cn, Le, Vi, Li, Sc, Sg, Cp, Aq, Pi © Ketu: Ar, Pi, Aq, Cp, Sg, Sc, Li, Vi, Le, Cn, Ge, Ta Ta (a) Normal: Ta, Sg, Cn, Aq, Vi, Ar, Sc, Ge, Cp, Le, Pi, Li (b) Saturn: Ta, Ge, Cn, Le, Vi, Li, Sc, Sg, Cp, Aq, Pi, Ar © Ketu: Ta, Li, Pi, Le, Cp, Ge, Sc, Ar, Vi, Aq, Cn, Sg Ge (a) Normal: Ge, Aq, Li, Vi, Ta, Cp, Sg, Le, Ar, Pi, Sc, Cn (b) Saturn: Ge, Cn, Le, Vi, Li, Sc, Sg, Cp, Aq, Pi, Ar, Ta © Ketu: Ge, Li, Aq, Pi, Cn, Sc, Sg, Ar, Le, Vi, Cp, Ta Cn (a) Normal: Cn, Ge, Ta, Ar, Pi, Aq, Cp, Sg, Sc, Li, Vi, Le (b) Saturn: Cn, Le, Vi, Li, Sc, Sg, Cp, Aq, Pi, Ar, Ta, Ge © Ketu: Cn, Le, Vi, Li, Sc, Sg, Cp, Aq, Pi , Ar, Ta, Ge Le (a) Normal: Le, Cp, Ge, Sc, Ar, Vi, Aq, Cn, Sg, Ta, Li, Pi (b) Saturn: Le, Vi, Li, Sc, Sg, Cp, Aq, Pi, Ar, Ta, Ge, Cn © Ketu: Le, Pi, Li, Ta, Sg, Cn, Aq, Vi, Ar, Sc, Ge, Cp Vi (a) Normal: Vi, Cp, Ta, Ge, Li, Aq, Pi, Cn, Sc, Sg, Ar, Le (b) Saturn: Vi, Li, Sc, Sg, Cp, Aq, Pi, Ar, Ta, Ge, Cn, Le © Ketu: Vi, Ta, Cp, Sg, Le, Ar, Pi, Sc, Cn, Ge, Aq, Li Li (a) Normal: Li, Sc, Sg, Cp, Aq, Pi, Ar, Ta, Ge, Cn, Le, Vi (b) Saturn: Li, Sc, Sg, Cp, Aq, Pi, Ar, Ta, Ge, Cn, Le, Vi © Ketu: Li, Vi, Le, Cn, Ge, Ta, Ar, Pi, Aq, Cp, Sg, Sc Sc (a) Normal: Sc, Ge, Cp, Le, Pi, Li, Ta, Sg, Cn, Aq, Vi, Ar (b) Saturn: Sc, Sg, Cp, Aq, Pi, Ar, Ta, Ge, Cn, Le, Vi, Li © Ketu: Sc, Ar, Vi, Aq, Cn, Sg, Ta, Li, Pi, Le, Cp, Ge Sg (a) Normal: Sg, Le, Ar, Pi, Sc, Cn, Ge, Aq, Li, Vi, Ta, Cp (b) Saturn: Sg, Cp, Aq, Pi, Ar, Ta, Ge, Cn, Le, Vi, Li, Sc © Ketu: Sg, Ar, Le, Vi, Cp, Ta, Ge, Li, Aq, Pi, Cn, Sc Cp (a) Normal: Cp, Sg, Sc, Li, Vi, Le, Cn, Ge, Ta, Ar, Pi, Aq (b) Saturn: Cp, Aq, Pi, Ar, Ta, Ge, Cn, Le, Vi, Li, Sc, Sg © Ketu: Cp, Aq, Pi, Ar, Ta, Ge, Cn, Le, Vi, Li, Sc, Sg Aq (a) Normal: Aq, Cn, Sg, Ta, Li, Pi, Le, Cp, Ge, Sc, Ar, Vi (b) Saturn: Aq, Pi, Ar, Ta, Ge, Cn, Le, Vi, Li, Sc, Sg, Cp © Ketu: Aq, Vi, Ar, Sc, Ge, Cp, Le, Pi, Li, Ta, Sg, Cn Pi (a) Normal: Pi, Cn, Sc, Sg, Ar, Le, Vi, Cp, Ta, Ge, Li, Aq (b) Saturn: Pi, Ar, Ta, Ge, Cn, Le, Vi, Li, Sc, Sg, Cp, Aq © Ketu: Pi, Sc, Cn, Ge, Aq, Li, Vi, Ta, Cp, Sg, Le, Ar May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2001 Report Share Posted January 8, 2001 Jaya jaya jagannath, Namasthe Friends, I am the person who made this confusion and let me clear this. Please read carefully, chart no 11, Jawahar Lal Neru in COVA. After read it, you will find another question to rectify ourself. Good Luck ! Karu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2001 Report Share Posted January 11, 2001 Dear Karu, The example you pointed to has some errors in calculations. Rahu and Ketu were used as the lords of Aq and Sc, but the correction for exaltation wasn't applied. I asked Sanjay ji about this and he said it was a slip and said that there were a few slips in the calculations of COVA. It says that Oct 1929-Mar 1930 was Cp-Cn antardasa. Five year Cp dasa starts from Nov 1926 as per the table (this is wrong because Aq dasa should be one year longer). So it was assumed that the 8th antardasa in Cp dasa is Cn. Whether you start from Moon or Saturn and whether you go forward or backward, this is not possible. So, there are multiple slips in the calculations given in this example. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > Jaya jaya jagannath, > > Namasthe Friends, > > I am the person who made this confusion and let me clear this. > > Please read carefully, chart no 11, Jawahar Lal Neru in COVA. > > After read it, you will find another question to rectify ourself. > > Good Luck ! > > Karu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2001 Report Share Posted January 11, 2001 Jaya Jagannath, Namasthe Narasimhaji, Thank you for your calculation. Yes I was able to understand few more errors. That is why I said that " we will find anothor questions.to discuss. " In fact I wondered why sub dasa started from Leo. If we take same example, sub dasa for Capricorn maha dasa must start from Cancer and count must be reguler & revers. Am I correct ? How ever, would you like to share your understanding with us about this " LEO EXEMPTION " rule, after discuss with Gurudeva ? I think this " Slip " tought us another important rule. If the calculation done correctly we will not able to find this rule. Thanks in advance. Karu > >The example you pointed to has some errors in calculations. Rahu and >Ketu were used as the lords of Aq and Sc, but the correction for >exaltation wasn't applied. I asked Sanjay ji about this and he said >it was a slip and said that there were a few slips in the >calculations of COVA. >It says that Oct 1929-Mar 1930 was Cp-Cn antardasa. Five year Cp dasa >starts from Nov 1926 as per the table (this is wrong because Aq dasa >should be one year longer). So it was assumed that the 8th antardasa >in Cp dasa is Cn. Whether you start from Moon or Saturn and whether >you go forward or backward, this is not possible. > >So, there are multiple slips in the calculations given in this >example. > >May Jupiter's light shine on us, >Narasimha > >> Jaya jaya jagannath, >> >> Namasthe Friends, >> >> I am the person who made this confusion and let me clear this. >> >> Please read carefully, chart no 11, Jawahar Lal Neru in COVA. >> >> After read it, you will find another question to rectify ourself. >> >> Good Luck ! >> >> Karu > > >OM TAT SAT >Archive: varahamihira >Info: varahamihira/info.html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2001 Report Share Posted January 11, 2001 Pranaam Sanjay, We are talking about pages 63-64 in COVA. This is Jawahar Lal Nehru's Narayana dasa. When I asked you about this on phone, you said not adding 1 year to Aq and Sc dasas for exalted Rahu and Ketu was a slip. When I asked about antardasas in Cp dasa, you only made a general statement that there were some slips in the calculations given in COVA and did not answer directly. You were busy and so I had to leave it. If you have a few minutes, kindly clear this up for us. What should be the antardasa sequence in Cp dasa? Shouldn't Aq and Sc dasas be 1 year longer due to exalted nodes (you took nodes as lords)? If you can also shed some more light on the philosophical meaning of Saturn and Ketu exceptions and when the exceptions do not work, then we will be most grateful for it. Your sishya, Narasimha varahamihira , " Sanjay Rath " <srath@v...> wrote: > Om Hrim Hamsa Soham Swaha > Dear Karu, > Understanding Narayana is among the most difficult tasks in this world. What is the real meaning of a Narayana Dasa? Why will the antardasa always begin from the Paka Rasi? I have not answered these questions as yet, but will do so in good time. There is a strong connection between Jupiter, the Sun, Moon and the Narayana dasa. This does not bow to the definite simplistic rules that govern the Udu dasa calculation like the Vimsottari. > There are some mistakes in the books I wrote earlier and these were done without the computer..manuscripts that were corrected about ten times and the fool still made the same mistakes again and again till I got sick. Those were the days of the type setting stuff and now Sagar has a computer. I write the book in a computer and still make mistakes, but lesser number, and he gives it to another person who again types it out in the computer because he does not use my software!! That is India. That is why Narasimha's book has been with the Publisher for about 6 months now!!! Believe me there is only one thing you an do out here.... Pray for Divine intervention. > Best Wishes > Sanjay Rath > PS By the way, which page is this example in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2001 Report Share Posted January 11, 2001 Jaya Jaya Jagannath, Namasthe Gurudeva Sanjay, Since I cannot log in to my email, I am writing this from page. I am not sure, it is going to work or not. > We are talking about pages 63-64 in COVA. This is Jawahar Lal Nehru's > If you have a few minutes, kindly clear this up for us. What should > be the antardasa sequence in Cp dasa? Shouldn't Aq and Sc dasas be 1 > year longer due to exalted nodes (you took nodes as lords)? > If you can also shed some more light on the philosophical meaning of > Saturn and Ketu exceptions and when the exceptions do not work, then > we will be most grateful for it. My question is regading Saturn exemption for LEO rasi. In fact Narasimha too asking same thing. After you rectify sub dasa sequense, Could you mention about this rule too please ? > Your sishya, > Narasimha your Sishya Karu > varahamihira , " Sanjay Rath " <srath@v...> wrote: > > Om Hrim Hamsa Soham Swaha > > Dear Karu, > > Understanding Narayana is among the most difficult tasks in this > world. What is the real meaning of a Narayana Dasa? Why will the > antardasa always begin from the Paka Rasi? I have not answered these > questions as yet, but will do so in good time. There is a strong > connection between Jupiter, the Sun, Moon and the Narayana dasa. This > does not bow to the definite simplistic rules that govern the Udu > dasa calculation like the Vimsottari. > > There are some mistakes in the books I wrote earlier and these were > done without the computer..manuscripts that were corrected about ten > times and the fool still made the same mistakes again and again till > I got sick. Those were the days of the type setting stuff and now > Sagar has a computer. I write the book in a computer and still make > mistakes, but lesser number, and he gives it to another person who > again types it out in the computer because he does not use my > software!! That is India. That is why Narasimha's book has been with > the Publisher for about 6 months now!!! Believe me there is only one > thing you an do out here.... Pray for Divine intervention. > > Best Wishes > > Sanjay Rath > > PS By the way, which page is this example in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2001 Report Share Posted January 11, 2001 Jaya Jaya Jagannath, Namasthe Gurudeva Sanjay, the rule is explained as follows: " ... In genaral the anthar dasas begining from saturn should be regular, but not in Leo as Saturn cannot dominate over the Sun..... " You have applied this rule for Capricorn Maha dasa (1926-1931 which shold be 1927-1932 with +1 year for Rahu). In fact from Capricorn and Cancer, Cancer is stronger and antar dasa must be count from Canser. How ever you have taken Saturn is stronger who is in Leo and antar dasa counted without Saturn exemption rule, as per above rule. >We are talking about pages 63-64 in COVA. This is Jawahar Lal Nehru's >Narayana dasa.> >When I asked you about this on phone, you said not adding 1 year to >Aq and Sc dasas for exalted Rahu and Ketu was a slip. When I asked >about antardasas in Cp dasa, you only made a general statement that >there were some slips in the calculations given in COVA and did not >answer directly. You were busy and so I had to leave it.> >If you have a few minutes, kindly clear this up for us. What should >be the antardasa sequence in Cp dasa? Shouldn't Aq and Sc dasas be 1 >year longer due to exalted nodes (you took nodes as lords)?> >If you can also shed some more light on the philosophical meaning of >Saturn and Ketu exceptions and when the exceptions do not work, then >we will be most grateful for it.> >Your sishya,>Narasimha your Sishya Karu > >varahamihira , " Sanjay Rath " <srath@v...> wrote:>> Om Hrim Hamsa Soham Swaha>> Dear Karu,>> Understanding Narayana is among the most difficult tasks in this >world. What is the real meaning of a Narayana Dasa? Why will the >antardasa always begin from the Paka Rasi? I have not answered these >questions as yet, but will do so in good time. There is a strong >connection between Jupiter, the Sun, Moon and the Narayana dasa. This >does not bow to the definite simplistic rules that govern the Udu >dasa calculation like the Vimsottari.>> There are some mistakes in the books I wrote earlier and these were >done without the computer..manuscripts that were corrected about ten >times and the fool still made the same mistakes again and again till >I got sick. Those were the days of the type setting stuff and now >Sagar has a computer. I write the book in a computer and still make >mistakes, but lesser number, and he gives it to another person who >again types it out in the computer because he does not use my >software!! That is India. That is why Narasimha's book has been with >the Publisher for about 6 months now!!! Believe me there is only one >thing you an do out here.... Pray for Divine intervention.>> Best Wishes>> Sanjay Rath>> PS By the way, which page is this example in?>>>>OM TAT SAT>Archive: varahamihira>Info: varahamihira/info.html>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2001 Report Share Posted January 12, 2001 Om Hrim Hamsa Soham SwahaDear Karu, Understanding Narayana is among the most difficult tasks in this world. What is the real meaning of a Narayana Dasa? Why will the antardasa always begin from the Paka Rasi? I have not answered these questions as yet, but will do so in good time. There is a strong connection between Jupiter, the Sun, Moon and the Narayana dasa. This does not bow to the definite simplistic rules that govern the Udu dasa calculation like the Vimsottari. There are some mistakes in the books I wrote earlier and these were done without the computer..manuscripts that were corrected about ten times and the fool still made the same mistakes again and again till I got sick. Those were the days of the type setting stuff and now Sagar has a computer. I write the book in a computer and still make mistakes, but lesser number, and he gives it to another person who again types it out in the computer because he does not use my software!! That is India. That is why Narasimha's book has been with the Publisher for about 6 months now!!! Believe me there is only one thing you an do out here.... Pray for Divine intervention. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath PS By the way, which page is this example in? - Karu varahamihira Thursday, January 11, 2001 2:16 AM Re: [sri Guru] Re: Saturn Exception in Rasi Dasas Jaya Jagannath,Namasthe Narasimhaji,Thank you for your calculation. Yes I was able to understand few moreerrors. That is why I said that "we will find anothor questions.to discuss."In fact I wondered why sub dasa started from Leo. If we take same example,sub dasa for Capricorn maha dasa must start from Cancer and count must bereguler & revers. Am I correct ?How ever, would you like to share your understanding with us about this "LEOEXEMPTION" rule, after discuss with Gurudeva ?I think this "Slip" tought us another important rule. If the calculationdone correctly we will not able to find this rule.Thanks in advance.Karu>>The example you pointed to has some errors in calculations. Rahu and>Ketu were used as the lords of Aq and Sc, but the correction for>exaltation wasn't applied. I asked Sanjay ji about this and he said>it was a slip and said that there were a few slips in the>calculations of COVA.>It says that Oct 1929-Mar 1930 was Cp-Cn antardasa. Five year Cp dasa>starts from Nov 1926 as per the table (this is wrong because Aq dasa>should be one year longer). So it was assumed that the 8th antardasa>in Cp dasa is Cn. Whether you start from Moon or Saturn and whether>you go forward or backward, this is not possible.>>So, there are multiple slips in the calculations given in this>example.>>May Jupiter's light shine on us,>Narasimha>>> Jaya jaya jagannath,>>>> Namasthe Friends,>>>> I am the person who made this confusion and let me clear this.>>>> Please read carefully, chart no 11, Jawahar Lal Neru in COVA.>>>> After read it, you will find another question to rectify ourself.>>>> Good Luck !>>>> Karu>>>OM TAT SAT>Archive: varahamihira>Info: varahamihira/info.html>>OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2001 Report Share Posted January 12, 2001 Pranaam Sanjay, Thank you for the brilliant clarification. Is it only Jupiter who does this? Do we see only rasi drishti or graha drishti too? In the same example (chart 11, pages 63-64), you talked about antardasas in Cp dasa. Saturn is in Le and Moon is in Cp. You took Cp- Cn antardasa as the 8th and Cp-Sg antardasa as the 9th. How is this possible? Could you kindly give us the sequence of antardsasas in Cp dasa in this example? Why did you count from Saturn and not from Moon? Even if Saturn exception doesn't apply in Leo, still the natural order for Leo (odd sign) is forward. Why did you take it backward? Why is the 8th antardasa Cn (instead of Cp) if the 9th is Sg? KINDLY BRING SOME CLARITY ON THIS TOO. Your sishya, Narasimha > Om Hrim Hamsa Soham Swaha > Dear Narasimha & Karu, > > When we talk of exaltation of the nodes, we should try to understand as > to what is happening. Rahu exaltation is like Ravana the ten headed one > where the heads refuse to die having partaken amrita. Now, Jupiter aspecting > these nodes is going to intervene in their affairs and will not allow the > exaltation to continue, just like Rama intervened in the affairs of Ravana. > The net result is Ramayana i.e. the nodes fall. Look at my chart. For many > years Narasimha asked why I took Mars to be stronger when Ketu is exalted. > Jupiter in Pisces is aspecting the nodes and Mars and will give the great > fighting powers to Mars just like the association of Bhagavan Sri Rama gave > immeasurable strength to Hanuman. Thus Mars is not the simple Virgo placed > Mars any more. He is now very strong and successfully defeats Ketu in the > Lordship of scorpio. Similarly the one year additional period that the nodes > get loses its significance in front of Jupiter who will not tolerate Adharma > sitting on the throne. > > Thus this exception maybe noted " Jupiter aspecting the nodes will make > them weak and cause their fall " . There are so many such small things. > > I want to add a FAQ to the book on Narayana Dasa. Can Solai or Karu > compile this from Varahamihira list and other places, then I can add other > points and this appendix. This has to be done very quickly, else Maha-Sagar > will not wait. > With Best Wishes > Sanjay Rath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2001 Report Share Posted January 12, 2001 Om Hrim Hamsa Soham Swaha Dear Narasimha & Karu, When we talk of exaltation of the nodes, we should try to understand as to what is happening. Rahu exaltation is like Ravana the ten headed one where the heads refuse to die having partaken amrita. Now, Jupiter aspecting these nodes is going to intervene in their affairs and will not allow the exaltation to continue, just like Rama intervened in the affairs of Ravana. The net result is Ramayana i.e. the nodes fall. Look at my chart. For many years Narasimha asked why I took Mars to be stronger when Ketu is exalted. Jupiter in Pisces is aspecting the nodes and Mars and will give the great fighting powers to Mars just like the association of Bhagavan Sri Rama gave immeasurable strength to Hanuman. Thus Mars is not the simple Virgo placed Mars any more. He is now very strong and successfully defeats Ketu in the Lordship of scorpio. Similarly the one year additional period that the nodes get loses its significance in front of Jupiter who will not tolerate Adharma sitting on the throne. Thus this exception maybe noted " Jupiter aspecting the nodes will make them weak and cause their fall " . There are so many such small things. I want to add a FAQ to the book on Narayana Dasa. Can Solai or Karu compile this from Varahamihira list and other places, then I can add other points and this appendix. This has to be done very quickly, else Maha-Sagar will not wait. With Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - " Narasimha Rao " <pvr <varahamihira > Thursday, January 11, 2001 11:06 AM [sri Guru] Re: Saturn Exception in Rasi Dasas > Pranaam Sanjay, > > We are talking about pages 63-64 in COVA. This is Jawahar Lal Nehru's > Narayana dasa. > > When I asked you about this on phone, you said not adding 1 year to > Aq and Sc dasas for exalted Rahu and Ketu was a slip. When I asked > about antardasas in Cp dasa, you only made a general statement that > there were some slips in the calculations given in COVA and did not > answer directly. You were busy and so I had to leave it. > > If you have a few minutes, kindly clear this up for us. What should > be the antardasa sequence in Cp dasa? Shouldn't Aq and Sc dasas be 1 > year longer due to exalted nodes (you took nodes as lords)? > > If you can also shed some more light on the philosophical meaning of > Saturn and Ketu exceptions and when the exceptions do not work, then > we will be most grateful for it. > > Your sishya, > Narasimha > > varahamihira , " Sanjay Rath " <srath@v...> wrote: > > Om Hrim Hamsa Soham Swaha > > Dear Karu, > > Understanding Narayana is among the most difficult tasks in this > world. What is the real meaning of a Narayana Dasa? Why will the > antardasa always begin from the Paka Rasi? I have not answered these > questions as yet, but will do so in good time. There is a strong > connection between Jupiter, the Sun, Moon and the Narayana dasa. This > does not bow to the definite simplistic rules that govern the Udu > dasa calculation like the Vimsottari. > > There are some mistakes in the books I wrote earlier and these were > done without the computer..manuscripts that were corrected about ten > times and the fool still made the same mistakes again and again till > I got sick. Those were the days of the type setting stuff and now > Sagar has a computer. I write the book in a computer and still make > mistakes, but lesser number, and he gives it to another person who > again types it out in the computer because he does not use my > software!! That is India. That is why Narasimha's book has been with > the Publisher for about 6 months now!!! Believe me there is only one > thing you an do out here.... Pray for Divine intervention. > > Best Wishes > > Sanjay Rath > > PS By the way, which page is this example in? > > > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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