Guest guest Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sarbani and Lakshmi, Namaskar I ask for the knowledge, as i find this very relevant for jyotish. I do not assume that you know, but if you do, i would be very happy to learn. Each Trayakshara mantra, be it for balatripura, tarini, kali, etc, consists of three beejas (naturally) which are the equivalent of the Atma, Mana and Beeja. This is; Hreem (atma), Hum (mana) and the beeja is the specific beeja of the devi. The order also depends on the devi; i.e. for Kali its Kreem Hum Hreem, whilst for Tara it is: Hreem Streem Hum. Further it depends on whether the trayakshara is kilaka (locking) or utkilaka (unlocking) and this can reverse the order of the beejas. These beejas are known as hrdaya beejas, and are meant to know the heart/will of the mahavidya. Because of the absence of the atmabeeja and manabeeja in: Aim Kleem Sauh, I doubt this mantra has the same purpose. Instead when i read the durga beesi yantra, the three beejas: Aim Hreem Kleem, are used to describe the form of Durga being part of Sarasvasti, Lakshmi and Parvati. So i assume that this describes the form of Durga, and likewise Aim Kleem Sauh, describes the form of Balatripurasundari as being Sarasvati (aim), Parvati (kleem) and Shakti (sauh). What do you think? Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sarbani Sarkar 14 November 2005 02:47 sohamsa RE: Again Dream Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Visti, There is a vast amount of literature on it as many on the list know it. What I am telling you is common knowledge. I am not very comfortable about writing it on the list, also I don't know as much. As I told you, Tripura is too vast an ocean. I may begin by saying, which sodasi are you talking about? First Lopamudra? Second Lopamudra? Aim Klim Sauh is the root of the 15 akshara mantra or the famous panchadashi. Lakshmi also pointed this out. Aim Klim Sauh is also the trayakshari mantra of Bala Tripura. Tripura's mantras are many. These three bijas are essential to Tripura the way krim is to Kali and Strim/Trim is to Tara. To know Tripura one has to spend a lifetime in Srividya sadhana. No, there is no error in VRA . I believe Guruji has very cleverly skirted the whole topic of Tripura in VRA, getting away by mentioning a mantra or so here and there. And know I don't know much either. I am sure there must be a few Sri Vidya sadhakas on this list, and they usually lie low and keep quiet. It is late now, I will try to write a little more tomorrow. Best Regards, Sarbani sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Visti Larsen Sunday, November 13, 2005 10:53 PM sohamsa RE: Again Dream ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sarbani, Namaskar The Shodasi mantra in VRA has the order given as; Shreem, Hreem, Kleem Aim Sauh... i.e. Kleem Aim Sauh is the order. Is there an error? Before this, under the heading “tripura sundari mantra” VRA talks of the kutaa beejas in the order of vaag, kaama and shakti, i.e. Aim Kleem Sauh, as you said. Obviously this is different from the hrdaya beejas (atma, mana, beeja), so how do we know this is Tripura’s personification? Is it the kleem beeja, or aim beeja? Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sarbani Sarkar 13 November 2005 03:32 sohamsa RE: Again Dream Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Visti, I think anyone one the list who worships Tripura will be able to tell you, that this is the root for Tripura as given, specially for the famed 15/16 akshara mantras. Aim beeja, Klim kilaka, Sauh shakti. At a higher level it symbolises the three kutas or at least their roots. Tripura is too vast an ocean for me to handle! Best Regards, Sarbani sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Visti Larsen Sunday, November 13, 2005 4:17 AM sohamsa RE: Again Dream ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sarbani, Namaskar I didn’t know that “Aim Kleem Sauh” (vaag, kaama, shakti) is the personification of Tripurasundari. Why is it, and why that specific order? How about Kleem Aim Sauh? How does this change it? Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sarbani Sarkar 12 November 2005 14:14 sohamsa Again Dream Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Partha, Ramdasji, Visti and others, Well for once I have a dream! I don't remember much of it. Neither do I remember the day. Probably the 9th or the 10th night. I don't remember. Hence there is no chart. The dream is like this: I am having a conversation with a holy man, maybe a rishi. Black hair, sharp face with chiselled features, fairish complexion with a reddish tinge. Wearing red clothes. There are 2-3 other people present, and I am animatedly discussing the possible mantras for a particular devi with these people. Sanjayji is in the group too; but I am not very sure. The best, 'the' mantra has to be chosen for this devi (I don't know who she is). We are having a nice discussion and a mantra is chosen after much analysis. Finally the holy man said, " no that is not the one. The correct mantra is this " . After which he utters a mantra to me with a smile on his face. All I remember is that the mantra is prefixed with 'aim klim sauh'. As all of you know, aim klim sauh is the personification of Tripura, and is her root bijas. I am completely shocked. Visibly startled I say to the holy man, " aim klim sauh? For this devi?But that is Tripura's bijas! How can you use this for her?? " . He smiles again and says yes, this is the 'correct' mantra for her. Along with this memory is a memory of a bright red triangle with a yellow border and with thick yellow fonts aim, klim and sauh are written on the three sides. Can any one of you draw a prashna for me and tell me who this devi is? Incidentally this mantra was to be for me to recite. Best Regards, Sarbani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Visti, I don't know as I am not a devout Sri Vidya Sadhaka. But I do know a little bit more. Do you mind if I don't discuss this? I am willing to discuss any other mantra of any devi, but not Tripura. Please forgive me for that. I can only echo what Lakshmi said, let Her show the way if she must. This is one domain where I won't participate in the knowledge exchange. Incidentally, Panchadashi and Sodasi are the two mantras Guruji never gives to anyone. He says he is not permitted to do so. I hope you understand. Best Regards, Sarbani sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Visti LarsenMonday, November 14, 2005 8:23 PMsohamsa Subject: RE: Again Dream - visti ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sarbani and Lakshmi, NamaskarI ask for the knowledge, as i find this very relevant for jyotish. I do not assume that you know, but if you do, i would be very happy to learn. Each Trayakshara mantra, be it for balatripura, tarini, kali, etc, consists of three beejas (naturally) which are the equivalent of the Atma, Mana and Beeja. This is; Hreem (atma), Hum (mana) and the beeja is the specific beeja of the devi. The order also depends on the devi; i.e. for Kali its Kreem Hum Hreem, whilst for Tara it is: Hreem Streem Hum. Further it depends on whether the trayakshara is kilaka (locking) or utkilaka (unlocking) and this can reverse the order of the beejas. These beejas are known as hrdaya beejas, and are meant to know the heart/will of the mahavidya. Because of the absence of the atmabeeja and manabeeja in: Aim Kleem Sauh, I doubt this mantra has the same purpose. Instead when i read the durga beesi yantra, the three beejas: Aim Hreem Kleem, are used to describe the form of Durga being part of Sarasvasti, Lakshmi and Parvati. So i assume that this describes the form of Durga, and likewise Aim Kleem Sauh, describes the form of Balatripurasundari as being Sarasvati (aim), Parvati (kleem) and Shakti (sauh). What do you think? Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sarbani Sarkar14 November 2005 02:47sohamsa Subject: RE: Again Dream Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Visti, There is a vast amount of literature on it as many on the list know it. What I am telling you is common knowledge. I am not very comfortable about writing it on the list, also I don't know as much. As I told you, Tripura is too vast an ocean. I may begin by saying, which sodasi are you talking about? First Lopamudra? Second Lopamudra? Aim Klim Sauh is the root of the 15 akshara mantra or the famous panchadashi. Lakshmi also pointed this out. Aim Klim Sauh is also the trayakshari mantra of Bala Tripura. Tripura's mantras are many. These three bijas are essential to Tripura the way krim is to Kali and Strim/Trim is to Tara. To know Tripura one has to spend a lifetime in Srividya sadhana. No, there is no error in VRA . I believe Guruji has very cleverly skirted the whole topic of Tripura in VRA, getting away by mentioning a mantra or so here and there. And know I don't know much either. I am sure there must be a few Sri Vidya sadhakas on this list, and they usually lie low and keep quiet. It is late now, I will try to write a little more tomorrow. Best Regards, Sarbani sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Visti LarsenSunday, November 13, 2005 10:53 PMsohamsa Subject: RE: Again Dream ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sarbani, NamaskarThe Shodasi mantra in VRA has the order given as; Shreem, Hreem, Kleem Aim Sauh... i.e. Kleem Aim Sauh is the order. Is there an error? Before this, under the heading “tripura sundari mantra” VRA talks of the kutaa beejas in the order of vaag, kaama and shakti, i.e. Aim Kleem Sauh, as you said. Obviously this is different from the hrdaya beejas (atma, mana, beeja), so how do we know this is Tripura’s personification? Is it the kleem beeja, or aim beeja? Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sarbani Sarkar13 November 2005 03:32sohamsa Subject: RE: Again Dream Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Visti, I think anyone one the list who worships Tripura will be able to tell you, that this is the root for Tripura as given, specially for the famed 15/16 akshara mantras. Aim beeja, Klim kilaka, Sauh shakti. At a higher level it symbolises the three kutas or at least their roots. Tripura is too vast an ocean for me to handle! Best Regards, Sarbani sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Visti LarsenSunday, November 13, 2005 4:17 AMsohamsa Subject: RE: Again Dream ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sarbani, NamaskarI didn’t know that “Aim Kleem Sauh” (vaag, kaama, shakti) is the personification of Tripurasundari. Why is it, and why that specific order? How about Kleem Aim Sauh? How does this change it? Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sarbani Sarkar12 November 2005 14:14sohamsa Subject: Again Dream Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Partha, Ramdasji, Visti and others, Well for once I have a dream! I don't remember much of it. Neither do I remember the day. Probably the 9th or the 10th night. I don't remember. Hence there is no chart. The dream is like this: I am having a conversation with a holy man, maybe a rishi. Black hair, sharp face with chiselled features, fairish complexion with a reddish tinge. Wearing red clothes. There are 2-3 other people present, and I am animatedly discussing the possible mantras for a particular devi with these people. Sanjayji is in the group too; but I am not very sure. The best, 'the' mantra has to be chosen for this devi (I don't know who she is). We are having a nice discussion and a mantra is chosen after much analysis. Finally the holy man said, "no that is not the one. The correct mantra is this". After which he utters a mantra to me with a smile on his face. All I remember is that the mantra is prefixed with 'aim klim sauh'. As all of you know, aim klim sauh is the personification of Tripura, and is her root bijas. I am completely shocked. Visibly startled I say to the holy man, "aim klim sauh? For this devi?But that is Tripura's bijas! How can you use this for her??". He smiles again and says yes, this is the 'correct' mantra for her. Along with this memory is a memory of a bright red triangle with a yellow border and with thick yellow fonts aim, klim and sauh are written on the three sides. Can any one of you draw a prashna for me and tell me who this devi is? Incidentally this mantra was to be for me to recite. Best Regards, Sarbani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 om namo näräyaëäya Dear Sarbani Ji, So far I have read everybody's mail regarding your dream.I also posted dream Prashna chart with some explanations but only chart has gone to this list !!! Why ? Mother wants like this ?? Now as per HER wishes, I am going to explain the Dream Prashna chart which I sent to the list through " Kashyapa Hora Nadi " method. Now as per this Hora method, Lagna is not considered and Hora lord is considered.Here the Hora lord was Surya who is in Tula Rashi along with Guru.Here the planets 2nd to and 12th from Hora Lord has to be considered.Here the main idea is we get some influence if there are some good or bad people next to our house or back side of our house.i mean to say we can check for any Shubha Kartari or Paapa Kartari for the Hora lord.Surya is the highest form of energy in the house of Shukra indicating that some Divine intution has come to you.Guru is Jeeva and this combination is called Jiva + Atma Samyoga which is highly auspicious.To this Shakti form of energy indicated by Kuja (V) ,this Jivatma Samyoga is connected and this is called Jivatma Shakti Samyoga.Now Surya gets Neechabhanga by 2 means, one through the direct aspect of Kuja who is the exaltation lord of Surya,2nd through the parivarthana by Guru with Shukra,the sign dispositor or debilitation lord of Surya.So we can say now Shukra is with Surya in Tula aspected by Kuja (V).but Guru is also powerful as he goes to his Moola Trikona Sthana and is in trine to Kuja (V).Now this Guru is in Eastern direction and the Hora lord Surya with Shukra in western direction,so planets on both signs aspect each other and are joined together.Now Kuja eventhough is the Shakti form,he is Vakra,so he is not that agressive.Also he is in Bharani Nakshatra ruled by Shukra who is a Saumya form of Devi.Budha who is in 2nd in Vaak Sthana from Hora Lord is also indicative of food intake house ie., 2nd house.So both Shukra and Surya are connected with this Budha.Ketu in 12th from Hora Lord indicates Keerthy Yoga ie.,you will be honoured very soon from Mother Godess.So considering from all these points, we can deduce that Mother is not Ugra Rupi and is Saumya Rupi. Another hint given by you was the Triangle with Red and yellow tinges on sides.This is indicated by both Kuja and Guru.This means you saw the Yantra of Mother Godess.this traingle must be reversed ie.,2 sides on the top which are joined at the bottom.The Mantra is aià kléà sauù| As we generally know the above Mantra is for Baala Tripura Sundari, then the Yantra whch you saw is different from that for Mother Tripura Sundari. Now when we go through Shri Shankaracharya's "SOUNDARYA LAHARI " we find there are total 100 Mantras,and hence 100 form of Devis also there and each Devi has a seperate Yantra. Now further if we read this Soundarya Lahari, we see a Mantra no.73 which tells like this : Vahatyamba ! stamberamadanuja kumbha prakrutibhiù smärabdhäà muktämaëibhiramaläà häratilakäà| kucäbhogo bimbädhararucibhirantaù çabalitäà pratäpavyämiçräà puradamayituù kértimivate|| Now Acharya has praised Mother like this here and called HER as "SHRI ANNAPURNA DEVI ".The Yantra which you saw is same as Annapurna Devi Yantra with AIM on left side top,KLIM on right side top and SAUH on bottom side of the triangluar yantra. So Mother has come in your dream and insisted you to worship HEr in the form of Shri Annapurna Devi with the same Mantra as Mother Tripura Sundari. I hope this clears your doubt in this matter. With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao. Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Visti, I don't know as I am not a devout Sri Vidya Sadhaka. But I do know a little bit more. Do you mind if I don't discuss this? I am willing to discuss any other mantra of any devi, but not Tripura. Please forgive me for that. I can only echo what Lakshmi said, let Her show the way if she must. This is one domain where I won't participate in the knowledge exchange. Incidentally, Panchadashi and Sodasi are the two mantras Guruji never gives to anyone. He says he is not permitted to do so. I hope you understand. Best Regards, Sarbani sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Visti LarsenMonday, November 14, 2005 8:23 PMsohamsa Subject: RE: Again Dream - visti ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sarbani and Lakshmi, NamaskarI ask for the knowledge, as i find this very relevant for jyotish. I do not assume that you know, but if you do, i would be very happy to learn. Each Trayakshara mantra, be it for balatripura, tarini, kali, etc, consists of three beejas (naturally) which are the equivalent of the Atma, Mana and Beeja. This is; Hreem (atma), Hum (mana) and the beeja is the specific beeja of the devi. The order also depends on the devi; i.e. for Kali its Kreem Hum Hreem, whilst for Tara it is: Hreem Streem Hum. Further it depends on whether the trayakshara is kilaka (locking) or utkilaka (unlocking) and this can reverse the order of the beejas. These beejas are known as hrdaya beejas, and are meant to know the heart/will of the mahavidya. Because of the absence of the atmabeeja and manabeeja in: Aim Kleem Sauh, I doubt this mantra has the same purpose. Instead when i read the durga beesi yantra, the three beejas: Aim Hreem Kleem, are used to describe the form of Durga being part of Sarasvasti, Lakshmi and Parvati. So i assume that this describes the form of Durga, and likewise Aim Kleem Sauh, describes the form of Balatripurasundari as being Sarasvati (aim), Parvati (kleem) and Shakti (sauh). What do you think? Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sarbani Sarkar14 November 2005 02:47sohamsa Subject: RE: Again Dream Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Visti, There is a vast amount of literature on it as many on the list know it. What I am telling you is common knowledge. I am not very comfortable about writing it on the list, also I don't know as much. As I told you, Tripura is too vast an ocean. I may begin by saying, which sodasi are you talking about? First Lopamudra? Second Lopamudra? Aim Klim Sauh is the root of the 15 akshara mantra or the famous panchadashi. Lakshmi also pointed this out. Aim Klim Sauh is also the trayakshari mantra of Bala Tripura. Tripura's mantras are many. These three bijas are essential to Tripura the way krim is to Kali and Strim/Trim is to Tara. To know Tripura one has to spend a lifetime in Srividya sadhana. No, there is no error in VRA . I believe Guruji has very cleverly skirted the whole topic of Tripura in VRA, getting away by mentioning a mantra or so here and there. And know I don't know much either. I am sure there must be a few Sri Vidya sadhakas on this list, and they usually lie low and keep quiet. It is late now, I will try to write a little more tomorrow. Best Regards, Sarbani sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Visti LarsenSunday, November 13, 2005 10:53 PMsohamsa Subject: RE: Again Dream ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sarbani, NamaskarThe Shodasi mantra in VRA has the order given as; Shreem, Hreem, Kleem Aim Sauh... i.e. Kleem Aim Sauh is the order. Is there an error? Before this, under the heading “tripura sundari mantra” VRA talks of the kutaa beejas in the order of vaag, kaama and shakti, i.e. Aim Kleem Sauh, as you said. Obviously this is different from the hrdaya beejas (atma, mana, beeja), so how do we know this is Tripura’s personification? Is it the kleem beeja, or aim beeja? Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sarbani Sarkar13 November 2005 03:32sohamsa Subject: RE: Again Dream Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Visti, I think anyone one the list who worships Tripura will be able to tell you, that this is the root for Tripura as given, specially for the famed 15/16 akshara mantras. Aim beeja, Klim kilaka, Sauh shakti. At a higher level it symbolises the three kutas or at least their roots. Tripura is too vast an ocean for me to handle! Best Regards, Sarbani sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Visti LarsenSunday, November 13, 2005 4:17 AMsohamsa Subject: RE: Again Dream ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sarbani, NamaskarI didn’t know that “Aim Kleem Sauh” (vaag, kaama, shakti) is the personification of Tripurasundari. Why is it, and why that specific order? How about Kleem Aim Sauh? How does this change it? Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sarbani Sarkar12 November 2005 14:14sohamsa Subject: Again Dream Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Partha, Ramdasji, Visti and others, Well for once I have a dream! I don't remember much of it. Neither do I remember the day. Probably the 9th or the 10th night. I don't remember. Hence there is no chart. The dream is like this: I am having a conversation with a holy man, maybe a rishi. Black hair, sharp face with chiselled features, fairish complexion with a reddish tinge. Wearing red clothes. There are 2-3 other people present, and I am animatedly discussing the possible mantras for a particular devi with these people. Sanjayji is in the group too; but I am not very sure. The best, 'the' mantra has to be chosen for this devi (I don't know who she is). We are having a nice discussion and a mantra is chosen after much analysis. Finally the holy man said, "no that is not the one. The correct mantra is this". After which he utters a mantra to me with a smile on his face. All I remember is that the mantra is prefixed with 'aim klim sauh'. As all of you know, aim klim sauh is the personification of Tripura, and is her root bijas. I am completely shocked. Visibly startled I say to the holy man, "aim klim sauh? For this devi?But that is Tripura's bijas! How can you use this for her??". He smiles again and says yes, this is the 'correct' mantra for her. Along with this memory is a memory of a bright red triangle with a yellow border and with thick yellow fonts aim, klim and sauh are written on the three sides. Can any one of you draw a prashna for me and tell me who this devi is? Incidentally this mantra was to be for me to recite. Best Regards, Sarbani Enjoy this Diwali with Y! India Click here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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