RE: Translation of slokas from Mani Mala on Planetary G...

[Guest guest]

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Richard and Arjun,

Namaste

 

I do not to donating a gomeda to a leper. Do

you? What's he going to do? Take away your bad karma on your behalf when he

himself is riddled with disease?

We need to be more realistic here. The Puranas do not

to such remedies. Instead, they do suggest dakshina to a

Brahmana/Purohit. This is so that we hope the Brahmana/Purohit can take away

some of our bad karma. This can be done in one of several ways: When transits

are averse or just before the person dies/or during a shraddha.

My suggestion is that, gifts (of gems and other

items) have to be new and not your cast offs.

 

Regarding the slokas sent by Richard (embedded below),

these are my initial thoughts:

 

The language is not ancient Sanskrit where there was

less tendency of using synonyms there (an opinion after reading tomes of it;

but am no expert!!)

The slokas are more modern phenomenon to use words

like " Avaneya " . It is interesting to note that midway in the first

line of shloka 81 the author has forgotten that he is writing for Viguna graha

Dharanaa. Certainly not something the ancients would do! I venture a

guess that this comes from Jaina source of astrological texts which are of a

much later origin. Gaurav, what do you

think?

 

But there does not appear to be any variance about the

ratnas that need to be worn from that of Narada Purana as long as we relate the

Ratnas which are recommended for Dana as they relate to the grahas.

 

What is in variance is in the matter of those that

need to be worn.

 

A careful look indicates that the shlokas are describing

Viguna - meaning that when the grahas are inimical – for example, Jupiter

is malefic (functional malefic), the recommendation is to wear Pearl. For Cancer lagna Jupiter will be

malefic being the 6th moolatrikona lord, and here strengthening Moon will

certainly make sense as Jupiter is going to create health problems and also

since Moon does not own any bad house. More so if Jupiter is occupying the 8th House!

 

In the 3rd sloka, the author appears to have changed

the basis on which he's written the first two shlokas.

 

For the meaning to be clear, one must also get the

shlokas, that indicate what is Viguna. I assume that it must be given the book.

Much would depend on which position of a graha or its rasi is called as Viguna.

 

Love,

Swee

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology ]

On Behalf Of panditarjun2004

Tuesday, February 21, 2006 5:28 AM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Re: Translation of slokas from Mani Mala on

Planetary G...

 

namaste richard ji

 

the simple rule of anukul/pratikul remedies are clear

like this.

 

retain or wear the objects of a beneficial planet.

donate or throw in water the objects of a malefic

planet.

 

in lalkitab system of remedies, this is what is

followed precisely.

 

after years of research through lalkitab remedies, i

found stones

would work positively only if those planets are

beneficial to the

native in a chart. when the planets are malefic,

since natives

cannot afford donating precious stones, they can

donate objects

related to those malefic planets. this is where

lalkitab comes

handy.

 

i do not agree with gauravji's observation that if you

wear a pearn

for moon, besides moon, jupiter would also be

benefited and at the

same time mars gets debilitated. in my knowledge

stones have

scientific properties and their single objective is to

 

receive/absorb the cosmic energies of the respective

planets.

simply put, if you wear a stone for a particular

planet, if that

planet is a benefic the native gets positive results,

and if that

planet is malefic, the native gets negative results.

 

because of these ambivalence in stone recommendations,

i recommend

rudraksha as several puranas attribute lords to each

rudaksha and

also attribute what benefits the wearer gets. no

anukul, no

pratikul. also it has no negative affects.

 

with best wishes

arjun

vedic astrology ,

" Richard Shaw-Brown II "

<rsbj66 wrote:

>

> Dear Sriman,

>

> The translations of Mani Mala by Tagore - Verses

79-81 are

correct. I have uploaded the

> original Sanskrit texts to the PHOTOS section of

this group for

anyone to check.

>

> Verses 80-81 make no sense. Therefore it appears

that Mani Mala is

an imperfect source

> of gem knowledge. And it should not be followed

as is.

>

> One thing interesting is that books on Indian

gemology, like Mani

Mala, they only talk

> about adverse planets. And they never mention

what to do for

Anukul planets (which is

> obviously to wear the gem for the Anukul graha,

viz., Anukula-

vad)!??

>

> Point is that for Pratikul Graha we DONATE the

gem (ratna-arpana),

and for Anukul Graha

> we WEAR the gem. Based on the philosophy that

gems strengthen

their plant when worn,

> and reduce their planet when donated. One is

accepting, other is

giving away.

>

> Best rgds,

> Richard

>

> vedic astrology ,

yobrevol@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > || Hare Rama Krishna

||

> >

> > Namaste Richard Ji,

> >

> > So they are actually correct. Please

understand that my

reservations were

> > not personal towards you in nature, rather

towards the stated

translation. I am

> > in agreement with you with the sloka 79 as I

also come from

Anukul school of

> > thought as taught by my guru.

> >

> > I am just trying to figure out why would

mani mala say what it

states in

> > sloka 80+...have you read another version of

mani mala

translated by another

> > author...?

> >

> > To think that we should wear Blue sapphire

for adverse moon is

beyond my

> > limited understanding, specially when we

make a blunt general

statement like

> > that...I mean moon is neither exalted nor

debilitated in saturn

signs, and then

> > the author of mani mala further suggests

wearing a pearl for

adverse

> > Jupiter...where jupiter gets exalted, so

their is inconsistency

here...

> >

> > Having said that, may be Guru Ji and other

learned will throw

some light...

> >

> > Namaste

> > Gaurav Jain

> >

> > In a message dated 2/20/2006 3:57:55 P.M.

Eastern Standard

Time,

> > rsbj66@ writes:

> >

> > Dear Sriman,

> >

> > Namaste!!! I am not suggesting anything,

these are three slokas

taken from

> > Mani Mala

> > written by SM Tagore published in 1879. I'm

just putting these

slokas out

> > for comment.

> >

> > I personally agree with the first

sloka 79. When Sun is adverse

one should

> > DONATE a ruby,

> > for adverse Moon one should donate a

pearl, as in Ratna-dana-

vidhi

> >

> > And when these planets are beneficial

(anukul) then one should

WEAR the

> > associated gem,

> > as if Sun is anukul in the chart then Ruby

can be worn, as in

ratna-dharana.

> >

> > Gem should be WORN for good planet / gem

should be DONATED for

bad planet.

> >

> > I personally disagree with slokas 80-81. But

as they are from

the famous

> > Mani Mali so I

> > have put them for your interest.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Richard

> >

> > vedic astrology ,

yobrevol@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > || Hare Rama Krishna

||

> > >

> > > Namaste richard ji,

> > >

> > > If I am reading it correctly , what you

are suggesting via

these slokas is

> >

> > > that we should give away diamond

to propitiate venus, and at

the same time

> > wear

> > > diamond when venus is

adverse? and that we wear blue

sapphire to nullify

> > > adverse effects of

moon?....lets not forget that jupiter

exalts in

> > cancer, so

> > > how in the right mind can we

suggest wearing pearl to " ward

off " the

> > adverse

> > > effects of

jupiter...?

> > >

> > > are you sure about the authenticity of

the translations?

> > >

> > > Also, to the learned, where can I get

a copy of Mani mala?

> > >

> > > Namaste

> > > Gaurav Jain

> > >

> > > In a message dated 2/20/2006 2:50:03

P.M. Eastern Standard

Time,

> > > rsbj66@ writes:

> > >

> > > Translation 79: Ill Stars and how

to propitiate them by

bestowal (dana)

> > > of gems:

> > >

> > > When the Sun is hostile (donate) a pure

ruby; when the Moon,

a good

> > > pearl; when Mangala, a good coral;

when Budha, a good

emerald; when

> > > Brihaspati, a good yellow

sapphire; when Shukra, the

diamond; when

> > > Shani, a good blue sapphire; when

Rahu, the gomeda; and when

Ketu, a

> > > good cat's eye, should be donated

> > >

> > > Translation 80-81: Ill Stars and

how to ward them off by

wearing

> > > (dharan) of gems:

> > >

> > > If the Sun is adverse,

(wear) the cat's eye; if the Moon,

the blue

> > > sapphire; if Mangala, the

ruby; if Budha, the ruby too; if

Vrihaspati,

> > > the pearl; if Shukra, the

diamond; if Shani, the great blue

sapphire;

> > > if Rahu, the gomeda, and if Ketu,

the emerald, should be

worn.

> > >

> > > Send instant messages to your

online friends

> > http://uk.messenger.

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this

message have been removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Swee,

 

> Instead, they do suggest dakshina to a

Brahmana/Purohit.

> This is so that we hope the Brahmana/Purohit can

> take away some of our bad karma.

> This can be done in one of several ways:

> When transits are averse or just before the

> person dies/or during a shraddha.

> My suggestion is that, gifts (of gems and other

items)

> have to be new and not your cast offs.

 

Both Jyotishas and Purohits require knowledge

of each others’ fields to be effective.

 

When you have some graha-dosha or averse

transit, I do not believe that one should simply gift (gems and other items) to

a Brahmana hoping that he can take away some of our bad karma. Rather, the

yajamana actually invokes the graha into the appropriate pratimaa (grains, gold

image, gems). The dosha is literally transferred into the image which is then ‘given’

to the brahmana. Monetary dakshina & the use of valuable gems etc simply

make ‘receiving the dosha’ more palateable to the recipient. I do

not think that the gifted items need to be new, especially in the case of

precious metals & gems. It should be in good condition. If not, in the

absence of absolute sincerity, it is unlikely that the graha will sit in the

pratima on the invitation of the yajamana. The reason for a gift to a brahama

is not because ‘they can take away some of our bad karma’. It is

because, due to their knowledge, they know how to handle ‘being given the

dosha in a material form’. The morning after being given the pratima,

they are expected to perform extensive japa as prayaschitta.

 

ajit

 

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Swee Chan

Tuesday, February 21, 2006

2:27 AM

vedic astrology ;

sohamsa ; SJCA; sacred-objects

Cc: guruji; Sarbani;

'Gaurav Jain'

RE:

[vedic astrology] Re: Translation of slokas from Mani Mala on Planetary G...

Importance: High

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Richard and Arjun,

Namaste

 

I do not to donating a gomeda to a leper. Do

you? What's he going to do? Take away your bad karma on your behalf when he

himself is riddled with disease?

We need to be more realistic here. The Puranas do not

to such remedies. Instead, they do suggest dakshina to a

Brahmana/Purohit. This is so that we hope the Brahmana/Purohit can take away

some of our bad karma. This can be done in one of several ways: When transits

are averse or just before the person dies/or during a shraddha.

My suggestion is that, gifts (of gems and other

items) have to be new and not your cast offs.

 

Regarding the slokas sent by Richard (embedded below),

these are my initial thoughts:

 

The language is not ancient Sanskrit where there was

less tendency of using synonyms there (an opinion after reading tomes of it;

but am no expert!!)

The slokas are more modern phenomenon to use words

like " Avaneya " . It is interesting to note that midway in the first

line of shloka 81 the author has forgotten that he is writing for Viguna graha

Dharanaa. Certainly not something the ancients would do! I venture a

guess that this comes from Jaina source of astrological texts which are of a much

later origin. Gaurav, what do you think?

 

But there does not appear to be any variance about the

ratnas that need to be worn from that of Narada Purana as long as we relate the

Ratnas which are recommended for Dana as they relate to the grahas.

 

What is in variance is in the matter of those that

need to be worn.

 

A careful look indicates that the shlokas are

describing Viguna - meaning that when the grahas are inimical – for

example, Jupiter is malefic (functional malefic), the recommendation is to wear

Pearl. For

Cancer lagna Jupiter will be malefic being the 6th moolatrikona lord, and here

strengthening Moon will certainly make sense as Jupiter is going to create

health problems and also since Moon does not own any bad house. More so if

Jupiter is occupying the 8th House!

 

In the 3rd sloka, the author appears to have changed

the basis on which he's written the first two shlokas.

 

For the meaning to be clear, one must also get the

shlokas, that indicate what is Viguna. I assume that it must be given the book.

Much would depend on which position of a graha or its rasi is called as Viguna.

 

Love,

Swee

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology ]

On Behalf Of panditarjun2004

Tuesday, February 21, 2006 5:28 AM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Re: Translation of slokas from Mani Mala on

Planetary G...

 

namaste richard ji

 

the simple rule of anukul/pratikul remedies are clear

like this.

 

retain or wear the objects of a beneficial planet.

donate or throw in water the objects of a malefic

planet.

 

in lalkitab system of remedies, this is what is

followed precisely.

 

after years of research through lalkitab remedies, i

found stones

would work positively only if those planets are

beneficial to the

native in a chart. when the planets are malefic,

since natives

cannot afford donating precious stones, they can

donate objects

related to those malefic planets. this is where

lalkitab comes

handy.

 

i do not agree with gauravji's observation that if you

wear a pearn

for moon, besides moon, jupiter would also be

benefited and at the

same time mars gets debilitated. in my knowledge

stones have

scientific properties and their single objective is to

 

receive/absorb the cosmic energies of the respective

planets.

simply put, if you wear a stone for a particular

planet, if that

planet is a benefic the native gets positive results,

and if that

planet is malefic, the native gets negative results.

 

because of these ambivalence in stone recommendations,

i recommend

rudraksha as several puranas attribute lords to each

rudaksha and

also attribute what benefits the wearer gets. no

anukul, no

pratikul. also it has no negative affects.

 

with best wishes

arjun

vedic astrology ,

" Richard Shaw-Brown II "

<rsbj66 wrote:

>

> Dear Sriman,

>

> The translations of Mani Mala by Tagore - Verses

79-81 are

correct. I have uploaded the

> original Sanskrit texts to the PHOTOS section of

this group for

anyone to check.

>

> Verses 80-81 make no sense. Therefore it appears

that Mani Mala is

an imperfect source

> of gem knowledge. And it should not be followed

as is.

>

> One thing interesting is that books on Indian

gemology, like Mani

Mala, they only talk

> about adverse planets. And they never mention

what to do for

Anukul planets (which is

> obviously to wear the gem for the Anukul graha,

viz., Anukula-

vad)!??

>

> Point is that for Pratikul Graha we DONATE the

gem (ratna-arpana),

and for Anukul Graha

> we WEAR the gem. Based on the philosophy that

gems strengthen

their plant when worn,

> and reduce their planet when donated. One is

accepting, other is

giving away.

>

> Best rgds,

> Richard

>

> vedic astrology ,

yobrevol@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > || Hare Rama Krishna

||

> >

> > Namaste Richard Ji,

> >

> > So they are actually correct. Please

understand that my

reservations were

> > not personal towards you in nature, rather

towards the stated

translation. I am

> > in agreement with you with the sloka 79 as I

also come from

Anukul school of

> > thought as taught by my guru.

> >

> > I am just trying to figure out why would

mani mala say what it

states in

> > sloka 80+...have you read another version of

mani mala

translated by another

> > author...?

> >

> > To think that we should wear Blue sapphire

for adverse moon is

beyond my

> > limited understanding, specially when we

make a blunt general

statement like

> > that...I mean moon is neither exalted nor

debilitated in saturn

signs, and then

> > the author of mani mala further suggests

wearing a pearl for

adverse

> > Jupiter...where jupiter gets exalted, so

their is inconsistency

here...

> >

> > Having said that, may be Guru Ji and other

learned will throw

some light...

> >

> > Namaste

> > Gaurav Jain

> >

> > In a message dated 2/20/2006 3:57:55 P.M.

Eastern Standard

Time,

> > rsbj66@ writes:

> >

> > Dear Sriman,

> >

> > Namaste!!! I am not suggesting anything,

these are three slokas

taken from

> > Mani Mala

> > written by SM Tagore published in 1879. I'm

just putting these

slokas out

> > for comment.

> >

> > I personally agree with the first sloka

79. When Sun is adverse

one should

> > DONATE a ruby,

> > for adverse Moon one should donate a

pearl, as in Ratna-dana-

vidhi

> >

> > And when these planets are beneficial

(anukul) then one should

WEAR the

> > associated gem,

> > as if Sun is anukul in the chart then Ruby

can be worn, as in

ratna-dharana.

> >

> > Gem should be WORN for good planet / gem

should be DONATED for

bad planet.

> >

> > I personally disagree with slokas 80-81. But

as they are from

the famous

> > Mani Mali so I

> > have put them for your interest.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Richard

> >

> > vedic astrology ,

yobrevol@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > || Hare Rama Krishna

||

> > >

> > > Namaste richard ji,

> > >

> > > If I am reading it correctly , what you

are suggesting via

these slokas is

> >

> > > that we should give away diamond

to propitiate venus, and at

the same time

> > wear

> > > diamond when venus is

adverse? and that we wear blue

sapphire to nullify

> > > adverse effects of

moon?....lets not forget that jupiter

exalts in

> > cancer, so

> > > how in the right mind can we

suggest wearing pearl to " ward

off " the

> > adverse

> > > effects of

jupiter...?

> > >

> > > are you sure about the authenticity of

the translations?

> > >

> > > Also, to the learned, where can I get

a copy of Mani mala?

> > >

> > > Namaste

> > > Gaurav Jain

> > >

> > > In a message dated 2/20/2006 2:50:03

P.M. Eastern Standard

Time,

> > > rsbj66@ writes:

> > >

> > > Translation 79: Ill Stars and how

to propitiate them by

bestowal (dana)

> > > of gems:

> > >

> > > When the Sun is hostile (donate) a pure

ruby; when the Moon,

a good

> > > pearl; when Mangala, a good coral;

when Budha, a good

emerald; when

> > > Brihaspati, a good yellow

sapphire; when Shukra, the

diamond; when

> > > Shani, a good blue sapphire; when

Rahu, the gomeda; and when

Ketu, a

> > > good cat's eye, should be donated

> > >

> > > Translation 80-81: Ill Stars and

how to ward them off by

wearing

> > > (dharan) of gems:

> > >

> > > If the Sun is adverse,

(wear) the cat's eye; if the Moon,

the blue

> > > sapphire; if Mangala, the

ruby; if Budha, the ruby too; if

Vrihaspati,

> > > the pearl; if Shukra, the

diamond; if Shani, the great blue

sapphire;

> > > if Rahu, the gomeda, and if Ketu,

the emerald, should be

worn.

> > >

[Guest guest]

Jaya

Jagannatha

 

Dear Ajit,

Namaste

 

Thank you

for your inputs. Try and give a used item to my Gurudeva and see what he has to

say K

You may

have it all polished up, but your auric energies remain and this is what they

will pick up; ever been to a psychometrist? Try it, you’ll be amazed at

what they can pick up, even if you’ve put on that piece of

jewellery/watch etc., etc., only once.

As taking

the dakshina/prattima first (I hope I have read it correctly), you are wrong. Japas

are always offered first, then a yagna or on a smaller scale, an agni hotra and

then you offer food and then give the dakshina. So which deity will reside in a

gemstone before you’ve offered puja. The time of purchasing and offering

all have to be elected.

It is

always up to the purohit or the astrologer or the reiki master, pranic healer

etc if they elect to take on your karma by accepting to take you on in the

first place. Tell me, which ones do you know who’ve made it super rich –

not monetary wise – just riches filled with successful descendants, first

and foremost?

 

Love,

Swee

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa

[sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Ajit Krishnan

Tuesday, February 21, 2006

6:51 PM

sohamsa

RE: RE:

[vedic astrology] Re: Translation of slokas from Mani Mala on Planetary G...

 

 

Dear Swee,

 

> Instead, they do suggest dakshina to a

Brahmana/Purohit.

> This is so that we hope the Brahmana/Purohit can

> take away some of our bad karma.

> This can be done in one of several ways:

> When transits are averse or just before the

> person dies/or during a shraddha.

> My suggestion is that, gifts (of gems and other

items)

> have to be new and not your cast offs.

 

Both Jyotishas and Purohits require

knowledge of each others’ fields to be effective.

 

When you have some graha-dosha or averse

transit, I do not believe that one should simply gift (gems and other items) to

a Brahmana hoping that he can take away some of our bad karma. Rather, the

yajamana actually invokes the graha into the appropriate pratimaa (grains, gold

image, gems). The dosha is literally transferred into the image which is then

‘given’ to the brahmana. Monetary dakshina & the use of

valuable gems etc simply make ‘receiving the dosha’ more palateable

to the recipient. I do not think that the gifted items need to be new,

especially in the case of precious metals & gems. It should be in good

condition. If not, in the absence of absolute sincerity, it is unlikely that

the graha will sit in the pratima on the invitation of the yajamana. The reason

for a gift to a brahama is not because ‘they can take away some of our

bad karma’. It is because, due to their knowledge, they know how to handle

‘being given the dosha in a material form’. The morning after being

given the pratima, they are expected to perform extensive japa as prayaschitta.

 

 

ajit

 

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa

[sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Swee Chan

Tuesday, February 21, 2006

2:27 AM

vedic astrology ;

sohamsa ; SJCA; sacred-objects

Cc: guruji; Sarbani; 'Gaurav Jain'

RE:

[vedic astrology] Re: Translation of slokas from Mani Mala on Planetary G...

Importance: High

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Richard and Arjun,

Namaste

 

I do not to donating a gomeda to a leper. Do

you? What's he going to do? Take away your bad karma on your behalf when he

himself is riddled with disease?

We need to be more realistic here. The Puranas do not

to such remedies. Instead, they do suggest dakshina to a

Brahmana/Purohit. This is so that we hope the Brahmana/Purohit can take away

some of our bad karma. This can be done in one of several ways: When transits

are averse or just before the person dies/or during a shraddha.

My suggestion is that, gifts (of gems and other

items) have to be new and not your cast offs.

 

Regarding the slokas sent by Richard (embedded below),

these are my initial thoughts:

 

The language is not ancient Sanskrit where there was

less tendency of using synonyms there (an opinion after reading tomes of it;

but am no expert!!)

The slokas are more modern phenomenon to use words

like " Avaneya " . It is interesting to note that midway in the first

line of shloka 81 the author has forgotten that he is writing for Viguna graha

Dharanaa. Certainly not something the ancients would do! I venture a

guess that this comes from Jaina source of astrological texts which are of a much

later origin. Gaurav, what do you think?

 

But there does not appear to be any variance about the

ratnas that need to be worn from that of Narada Purana as long as we relate the

Ratnas which are recommended for Dana as they relate to the grahas.

 

What is in variance is in the matter of those that

need to be worn.

 

A careful look indicates that the shlokas are

describing Viguna - meaning that when the grahas are inimical – for

example, Jupiter is malefic (functional malefic), the recommendation is to wear

Pearl. For

Cancer lagna Jupiter will be malefic being the 6th moolatrikona lord, and here

strengthening Moon will certainly make sense as Jupiter is going to create

health problems and also since Moon does not own any bad house. More so if

Jupiter is occupying the 8th House!

 

In the 3rd sloka, the author appears to have changed

the basis on which he's written the first two shlokas.

 

For the meaning to be clear, one must also get the

shlokas, that indicate what is Viguna. I assume that it must be given the book.

Much would depend on which position of a graha or its rasi is called as Viguna.

 

Love,

Swee

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology ]

On Behalf Of panditarjun2004

Tuesday, February 21, 2006 5:28 AM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Re: Translation of slokas from Mani Mala on

Planetary G...

 

namaste richard ji

 

the simple rule of anukul/pratikul remedies are clear

like this.

 

retain or wear the objects of a beneficial planet.

donate or throw in water the objects of a malefic

planet.

 

in lalkitab system of remedies, this is what is

followed precisely.

 

after years of research through lalkitab remedies, i

found stones

would work positively only if those planets are

beneficial to the

native in a chart. when the planets are malefic,

since natives

cannot afford donating precious stones, they can

donate objects

related to those malefic planets. this is where

lalkitab comes

handy.

 

i do not agree with gauravji's observation that if you

wear a pearn

for moon, besides moon, jupiter would also be

benefited and at the

same time mars gets debilitated. in my knowledge

stones have

scientific properties and their single objective is to

 

receive/absorb the cosmic energies of the respective

planets.

simply put, if you wear a stone for a particular

planet, if that

planet is a benefic the native gets positive results,

and if that

planet is malefic, the native gets negative results.

 

because of these ambivalence in stone recommendations,

i recommend

rudraksha as several puranas attribute lords to each

rudaksha and

also attribute what benefits the wearer gets. no

anukul, no

pratikul. also it has no negative affects.

 

with best wishes

arjun

vedic astrology ,

" Richard Shaw-Brown II "

<rsbj66 wrote:

>

> Dear Sriman,

>

> The translations of Mani Mala by Tagore - Verses

79-81 are

correct. I have uploaded the

> original Sanskrit texts to the PHOTOS section of

this group for

anyone to check.

>

> Verses 80-81 make no sense. Therefore it appears

that Mani Mala is

an imperfect source

> of gem knowledge. And it should not be followed

as is.

>

> One thing interesting is that books on Indian

gemology, like Mani

Mala, they only talk

> about adverse planets. And they never mention

what to do for

Anukul planets (which is

> obviously to wear the gem for the Anukul graha,

viz., Anukula-

vad)!??

>

> Point is that for Pratikul Graha we DONATE the

gem (ratna-arpana),

and for Anukul Graha

> we WEAR the gem. Based on the philosophy that

gems strengthen

their plant when worn,

> and reduce their planet when donated. One is

accepting, other is

giving away.

>

> Best rgds,

> Richard

>

> vedic astrology ,

yobrevol@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > || Hare Rama Krishna

||

> >

> > Namaste Richard Ji,

> >

> > So they are actually correct. Please

understand that my

reservations were

> > not personal towards you in nature, rather

towards the stated

translation. I am

> > in agreement with you with the sloka 79 as I

also come from

Anukul school of

> > thought as taught by my guru.

> >

> > I am just trying to figure out why would

mani mala say what it

states in

> > sloka 80+...have you read another version of

mani mala

translated by another

> > author...?

> >

> > To think that we should wear Blue sapphire

for adverse moon is

beyond my

> > limited understanding, specially when we make

a blunt general

statement like

> > that...I mean moon is neither exalted nor

debilitated in saturn

signs, and then

> > the author of mani mala further suggests

wearing a pearl for

adverse

> > Jupiter...where jupiter gets exalted, so

their is inconsistency

here...

> >

> > Having said that, may be Guru Ji and other

learned will throw

some light...

> >

> > Namaste

> > Gaurav Jain

> >

> > In a message dated 2/20/2006 3:57:55 P.M.

Eastern Standard

Time,

> > rsbj66@ writes:

> >

> > Dear Sriman,

> >

> > Namaste!!! I am not suggesting anything,

these are three slokas

taken from

> > Mani Mala

> > written by SM Tagore published in 1879. I'm

just putting these

slokas out

> > for comment.

> >

> > I personally agree with the first sloka

79. When Sun is adverse

one should

> > DONATE a ruby,

> > for adverse Moon one should donate a

pearl, as in Ratna-dana-

vidhi

> >

> > And when these planets are beneficial

(anukul) then one should

WEAR the

> > associated gem,

> > as if Sun is anukul in the chart then Ruby

can be worn, as in

ratna-dharana.

> >

> > Gem should be WORN for good planet / gem

should be DONATED for

bad planet.

> >

> > I personally disagree with slokas 80-81. But

as they are from

the famous

> > Mani Mali so I

> > have put them for your interest.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Richard

> >

> > vedic astrology ,

yobrevol@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > || Hare Rama Krishna

||

> > >

> > > Namaste richard ji,

> > >

> > > If I am reading it correctly , what you

are suggesting via

these slokas is

> >

> > > that we should give away diamond

to propitiate venus, and at

the same time

> > wear

> > > diamond when venus is

adverse? and that we wear blue

sapphire to nullify

> > > adverse effects of

moon?....lets not forget that jupiter

exalts in

> > cancer, so

> > > how in the right mind can we

suggest wearing pearl to " ward

off " the

> > adverse

> > > effects of

jupiter...?

> > >

> > > are you sure about the authenticity of

the translations?

> > >

> > > Also, to the learned, where can I get

a copy of Mani mala?

> > >

> > > Namaste

> > > Gaurav Jain

> > >

> > > In a message dated 2/20/2006 2:50:03

P.M. Eastern Standard

Time,

> > > rsbj66@ writes:

> > >

> > > Translation 79: Ill Stars and how

to propitiate them by

bestowal (dana)

> > > of gems:

> > >

> > > When the Sun is hostile (donate) a pure

ruby; when the Moon,

a good

> > > pearl; when Mangala, a good coral;

when Budha, a good

emerald; when

> > > Brihaspati, a good yellow

sapphire; when Shukra, the

diamond; when

> > > Shani, a good blue sapphire; when

Rahu, the gomeda; and when

Ketu, a

> > > good cat's eye, should be donated

> > >

> > > Translation 80-81: Ill Stars and

how to ward them off by

wearing

> > > (dharan) of gems:

> > >

> > > If the Sun is adverse,

(wear) the cat's eye; if the Moon,

the blue

> > > sapphire; if Mangala, the

ruby; if Budha, the ruby too; if

Vrihaspati,

> > > the pearl; if Shukra, the diamond;

if Shani, the great blue

sapphire;

> > > if Rahu, the gomeda, and if Ketu,

the emerald, should be

worn.

> > >