Detailed Reply to Shyamasundara Prabhu

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Jaya Jaya Jagannatha

Pranaam Gurudeva,

 

> Dear Narasimha,

> Jaya Jagannath

> Venus in the eighth cannot cause Asura Yoga. You know why. It is an

> Asura itself being Guru to the NIGHT/MAYA/MATERIALISTIC GROUP of

> Saturn, Mercury, Venus and Rahu whereas the DAY/SATYA/ NON-MATERIAL

> GROUP of Jupiter, Sun, Moon and Mars has Jupiter as the Guru. That is

> the reason for Jupiter to be in the 8th for Asurs Yoga i.e. ignoring

> the advise the Great sage.

> Blessings

> Sanjay Rath

 

I am pretty sure I saw the definition of Asura yoga given in some classic

as the presence of Jupiter *and* Venus in the 8th house. I have to dig out

to see where I saw this. Meanwhile, can you give the source of YOUR Asura

yoga definition?

 

[Note: In fact, it was you who clarified to me sometime back that it would

not apply to the lagnas of Jupiter and Venus as lagna lord in 8th would put

the two benefics in the 6th from arudha lagna. So I thought we were on the

same wavelength on Asura yoga. Otherwise, I would've looked it up then

itself and talked to you.]

 

You are aware that I do not agree with your rectification of Srila

Prabhupada's chart and take lagna in Makara and ghatilagna in Kanya. Though

I argued with Shyamasundara Prabhu on Asura yoga and Vimsottari dasa being

the best etc points, I in fact do not argue with him on Srila's chart. I

also use Makara lagna. Shyamasundara Prabhu, can I have your complete

rectification (exact time)? I want to compare lagna rectified by you and me

in D-10, D-20 and D-60.

 

Gurudeva, I concur with Shyamasundara prabhu on the need for a more

flexible interpretation of yogas. Just because Jupiter is in 8th, you

cannot conclude someone is an asura. The 8th house belongs to moksha

trikona. If the 8th lord is in 8th in Kautuka avastha (eagerness) and

mokshakaraka Ketu joins him, also in Kautuka avastha, it really strengthens

moksha trikona. If the lord of moksha sthana (12th) also joins them being

in Sabha avastha, it gives excellent strength to 8th, 12th and moksha

trikona. Dismissing such a combination on the grounds of Asura yoga is too

simplistic (and I am not sure if the definition of Asura yoga you are using

is right). I request you to reconsider. Once this basic hurdle is overcome,

we can talk about individual events later.

 

Shyamasundara prabhu, you put down Pt. Rath's comments on Sri K.N.Rao as

" jalpa " rather than " vaada " . Honestly, I cannot counter your view that such

comments are unworthy of a great scholar like Sanjay Rath. But there is one

thing you should take note of. When talking about Vimsottari dasa vs rasi

dasas, you claimed that Sri K.N. Rao was an expert in Jaimini and rasi

dasas and even he relied on Vimsottari dasa. I want to point out that we,

students of SJVC, do not consider Sri Rao an expert in Jaimini at all. We

don't agree with his definition of chara karakas. We don't agree with his

definition of arudha padas. We don't agree with his definition and use of

several rasi dasas. Based on his writings, we consider his understanding of

Jaimini as very shallow. If you put down rasi dasas by using Sri Rao's

name, it is not fair as he is not really an expert in our view. You should

understand Pt. Rath's comments in that light.

 

BTW, you did not reply to my comments on your statements about Parasara

saying that Vimsottari dasa is the best.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

[Guest guest]

Dear Narasimha,

If my little memory serves me well, look into 300 Important combinations of Dr Raman. Another thing. VENUS IN THE 8TH HOUSE IS SEEN IN THE CHART OF MANY SAINTS AND SADHU'S. You also have it.

Sanjay

- pvr

varahamihira ; vedic astrology

Cc: Shyamasundara.ACBSP ; Jyotish ; gauranga ; srath

Monday, December 11, 2000 7:52 AM

[sri Guru] Re: Detailed Reply to Shyamasundara Prabhu

Jaya Jaya JagannathaPranaam Gurudeva,> Dear Narasimha,> Jaya Jagannath> Venus in the eighth cannot cause Asura Yoga. You know why. It is an> Asura itself being Guru to the NIGHT/MAYA/MATERIALISTIC GROUP of> Saturn, Mercury, Venus and Rahu whereas the DAY/SATYA/ NON-MATERIAL> GROUP of Jupiter, Sun, Moon and Mars has Jupiter as the Guru. That is> the reason for Jupiter to be in the 8th for Asurs Yoga i.e. ignoring> the advise the Great sage.> Blessings> Sanjay RathI am pretty sure I saw the definition of Asura yoga given in some classicas the presence of Jupiter *and* Venus in the 8th house. I have to dig outto see where I saw this. Meanwhile, can you give the source of YOUR Asurayoga definition?[Note: In fact, it was you who clarified to me sometime back that it wouldnot apply to the lagnas of Jupiter and Venus as lagna lord in 8th would putthe two benefics in the 6th from arudha lagna. So I thought we were on thesame wavelength on Asura yoga. Otherwise, I would've looked it up thenitself and talked to you.]

[Guest guest]

JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

Dear Gurudeva,

 

Pranaams.

 

 

Dear Narasimha,

If my little memory serves me well, look into 300 Important combinations of Dr

Raman.

Another thing. VENUS IN THE 8TH HOUSE IS SEEN IN THE CHART OF MANY SAINTS AND

SADHU'S. You

also have it.

Sanjay

 

I have looked into 300 Imp. Combinations but I did not find Asura yoga mentioned

in it.

 

Your shishya,

 

Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

<gauranga

Phone:+36-309-140-839

[Guest guest]

 

 

Sanjay Rath wrote

 

Page 271 of Notable Horoscopes -Dr Raman writes:

" According to Hindu Astrology if the eighth is occupied by benefics-especially Jupiter and Venus-the combination goes under the name of Asura Yoga. This makes the native a tyrant taking pleasure in the suffering of others." Dr Raman goes on to describe this Yoga as given by Manteswara.

 

However, in Orissa, this definition was taught slightly differently as SURA leads to the word SURYA, and the Guru of the Sura's is Jupiter. Thus Jupiter in the eighth is the definition of Asura Yoga which is well depicted in the chart of Benito Mussolini and NOT Srila Prabhupada."

 

 

But it is also present in the charts of Amritanandamayi Ma, Deepak Chopra and many other spiritual persons. With all respect is it not a little dangerous to base such a conclusion on ONE planet in ONE house ? I just ask as a student.

 

Best regards

 

Cristian

 

[Guest guest]

JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

Dear Shyamasundara prabhu,

 

PAMHO, AGTSP.

 

As you may know, Vimshottari and other Udu Dasha systems are based on

Nakshatras, and the

Moon's position in the Nakshatras.

 

Rasi Dasas (including Narayana or Padakrama dasa of which Chara Dasa is a part)

are based

on Rasis, and the Rasi ocuppied by the Lagna.

 

Kalachakra dasa is based on the Navamsha position of the Moon.

 

These are the three classes of Dasas mentioned by Maharishi Parashara.

 

Now I would have a few questions to you, with all politeness of course, and I

hope theat

you don't get offended. I'm sure that you will be able to answer them and thus

explain

what is the signification of each of the three classes of Dasas.

 

1. What is the relative importance of the Lagna and the Moon? Which one is more

important

and why? What do they describe?

 

2. According to the role of Lagna, Moon's Nakshatra and Moon's Navamsha, what

will each of

the above three classes of Dasha systems reflect?

 

Note: I'm not arguing about the preeminence, but I'm trying to make clear, what

is the

role of these systems, once Maharishi Parashara have taken the trouble to

mention them.

Sanjayji had always taught me to think, and thus understand the principles of

Jyotish. I'm

not sure that simply by quoting shlokas the correct understanding would come.

 

Your servant,

 

Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

<gauranga

Phone:+36-309-140-839

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Phone:+36-309-140-839

 

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> Dear Narasimha Raoji,

>

> Please accept my best wishes. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

> Bhakta-vigna-vinasha Nrsimhadeva Bhagavan ki jaya.

>

> I hope that you were not worried that I had forgotten about you. I have been

> very busy with doing charts and other projects, but on to the matter at

> hand.

>

> You said regarding Vimshottari Mahadaha:

>

> > Shyamasundara wrote: " Because he has stated it is the best. "

> >

> > I request him to give a quote corroborating this view. Where did Parasara

> > say that Vimsottari dasa is " the best " ?

> >

> > For Vimsottari dasa, he only used the adjective " mukhyaa " , meaning " an

> > important " . On the other hand, he said this about Kalachakra dasa:

> >

> > " kaalachakra dasaa chaanyaa maanyaa sarvadasaasu yaa " .

> >

> > It means " there is another dasa called Kalachakra dasa which the most

> > respectable of ALL dasas " .

>

> I have four editions of BPHS, three in English, one in Sanskrit-Hindi, in

> this text I shall refer to the two most well known English translations

> those of G.C. Sharma (Sagar edition) and the other by G. S. Kapoor (did the

> second volume of the Ranjan edition) which both seem to be translations of

> the same redaction of the BPHS. Chapter 48 is called Dashaadhaayaha. Verses

> 1-14 deal with the relative importance of the various Dasa systems. (For

> your convenience I have attached copies of relevant sections of both books

> in PDF format.)

>

> You are absolutely right that he describes Vimshottari Dasa with the word

> " mukhyaa " not once but twice. The first time in the 3rd verse, the second

> time at the end of verse 14. However, your translation of this word as " an

> important " is quite insipid and lacking the emphasis implied in the word.

> The way you translate it sounds like it is important but not so important,

> maybe a 7 or 7.5 out of 10, above average. However, according to the

> Sanskrit dictionary a different picture emerges when we see the meaning

> given to this word. In M.M. Williams Sanskrit Dictionary, p 820, we get the

> following definition (I shall leave out which texts he is citing as examples

> of where it is found for brevity, but have included the original citation as

> a PDF attachment):

>

> " being or coming from the mouth or face; being at the head or at the

> beginning, first, principle, chief, eminent; a leader, guide.

>

> He then goes on to give several examples of words in which the main word is

> mukhya with different affixes attached to it.

>

>

> " mukhya-tas: principally, chiefly, particularly. "

>

> " mukhya-tva: pre-eminence, superiority, highest rank, or position. "

>

> " mukhya-nripa: a paramount sovereign, reigning monarch. "

>

> " mukhya-mantrin: a prime minister "

>

> " mukhya-sas: principally, chiefly, before all. "

>

> etc, etc.

>

> Now a few comments, because the face and mouth are superior to all other

> parts of the body the Brahmanas are said to issue forth from the mouth

> " mukhya " of Brahma, hence the Brahmanas are superior to all the other

> varnas. And, it is because this concept is stated over and over in the

> sastras (Sruti and Smriti) hence mukhya is used to designate the supreme or

> best member of a class. Therefore " mukhyaa vimshottari " indicates that it is

> the principal, chief, pre-eminent, superior, highest rank or position, and

> paramount among the Dasa systems.

>

> Sharma translates the first instance of " mukhyaa vimshottari " in this

> context :

>

> " There are various types of Dasa in vogue but for a common man , Vimshottari

> Dasa is the predominant one. Some have mentioned particularly Astottari and

> Shodsottari Dasa. O Brahmin! Ancients have also referred to Dvadasottari,

> Pancottari, Shatabdika Dasa and in the same category there are also

> Chaturashiti-Sama, Dvisaptati-Sama, Shashtihayani, Shattrishanta-Sama Dasa.

> All these Dasas are based on Nakshtras. "

>

> Kapoor similarly states: " Amongst them Vimshottari is the most appropriate

> for the general populace.... "

>

> These two translations are in keeping with the spirit of the dictionary

> indicating that Vimshottari Mahadasha is the supreme mahadasha. Not just

> " important " as you have stated. There is a big difference between what you

> said and the actual dictionary meaning of the word as understood by

> competent translators and readers of dictionaries.

>

> Let us move now to your second assertion. You have stated: " kaalachakra

> dasaa chaanyaa maanyaa sarvadasaasu yaa " which according to you means " there

> is another dasa called Kalachakra dasa which the most respectable of ALL

> dasas. " This is true but you neglected to tell us whose opinion this is. Is

> it Parasara's opinion or some one else's? It turns out that it is not

> Parasara's opinion at all but that of others. The antecedent half sloka that

> you did not give us tells us something very different. Here is how Sharma

> translates it:

>

> " The Rishis have also made mention of Kala and Chakra Dasa. But amongst the

> remaining Dasas, Kalachakra Dasa has the greatest recognition. " BPHS 48.6

>

> Kapoor writes:

>

> " Some sages have made mention of Kala Dasa and Chakra Dasa; but they have

> recognized the Kala Chakra Dasa as supreme. "

>

> We first note that the opinion about Kalachakra Dasa which you ascribed to

> Parasara is not his but actually that of other people. Sharma's translation

> suggests that Parasara thought that after Vimshottari out of " the remaining "

> Dasha systems Kalachakra is the best. But not superior to Vimshottari which

> is supreme.

>

> Then from 48.6-11 Parasara lists a number of Dasa systems like Chara,

> Sthira, Kendra, Brahmagraha, Manduka, Shool, Yogardha, Drig, Trikona, Rasi,

> Panchswara, Yogini, Pinda, Naisargika, Astavarga, Sandhya, Pachaka and Tara.

>

> At this point Kapoor states in his translation: " But in our [Parasara's]

> view all these Dasas [mentioned from verse 6-11 including Kalachakra] are

> not appropriate (for the purpose for which they are meant.) "

>

> Sharma's translation is slightly different. " Besides these Dasas [Kalachakra

> etc] some have said about Chara, Sthira, Kendra, Brahmagraha Dasas. O Vipra!

> apart from these, Manduka, Shool, Yogardha, Drig, Trikona, and Rasi are also

> there. Oh Brahmin! Panchswara, Yogini, Pinda, Naisargika, Astavarga,

> Sandhya, Pachaka and Tara Dasa and the like are the different form of Dasas.

> However, out of these Dasa forms, all are not acceptable by common

> consensus. "

>

> Sharma's translation suggests that there is no common consensus on which of

> these Dasa system is acceptable. Or, it could mean that by common consensus

> all of them are unacceptable. This seems to be what Kapoor is saying, he

> seems to suggest that they all are not useful or appropriate. Anyway,

> exactly what is the correct translation here will need to be researched

> more. In any case both translations suggest the inferiority of the Dasa

> systems mentioned in BPHS 48.6-11

>

> But there will be no doubt as to what is the view of Parasara Muni. In BPHS

> 48.12-14 he begins to explain how Dasas are to be calculated and the first

> one he describes is Vimshottari Dasa. This in itself is suggestive of the

> superior and preeminent position of Vimshottari Mahadasha. But he does not

> leave us any room for speculation for in verse 14 he uses " mukhyaa " again to

> describe the position of Vimshottari Dasa. And, as we have already provided

> the dictionary meaning of the word " mukhya " the reader should not be

> surprised when the translators translate Parasara's words thus:

>

> " O Brahmin! The full span of a life of man in Kaliyuga is said to 120 years

> (Purna Ayu).Therefore, amongst the various Dasas, Vimshottari is the prime

> Dasa system. " (Sharma)

>

> " In Kaliyuga the natural life span of a human being is generally taken as

> 120 years. Therefore, Vimsottari Dasa is considered to be the most

> appropriate and the best of all Dasas. " (Kapoor)

>

> Summary: In BPHS 48.1-14 Parasara Rsi states that Vimshottari Mahadasa is

> the top most system. There are other Udu Dasa systems as well. (Verses 1-5)

> In verses 6-11 he says that aside from them some " other " sages think that

> Kalachakra Mahadasa is superior. He then lists many Dasa systems but in

> verse 11 states that in his view these previous Dasa systems mentioned are

> not acceptable. Then in verses 12-14 he begins to explain how Vimshottari

> Mahadasa is calculated and ends by saying that Vimshottari Dasa is the

> top-most and best Dasa system. QED

>

> You have stated:

>

> > I request him to give a quote corroborating this view. Where did Parasara

> > say that Vimsottari dasa is " the best " ?

>

> I hope that what I have supplied above has satisfied your request.

>

> I have used Vimshottari Mahadasha for over 20 years in conjunction with

> gochara and been very satisfied with it. You may not be in such a position.

> I should say that I am not an arm chair astrologer or a hobbyist I am a

> professional astrologer. This is my sole source of income. I do not

> advertise, rather I depend on word-of-mouth referrals from satisfied

> clients. That means that I have to be right a lot more often than I am wrong

> otherwise I would starve. I do not claim perfection or omniscience but I

> must be doing something right. I have a very long list of charts to do, I am

> still working on charts ordered last September and I am not cheap, my web

> site will prove that to you. I must be one of the only astrologers outside

> of India whom people in (not from but in) India consult regularly and pay

> US$ for what I do. Just last week I had a DHL package with a Demand Draft

> from Pune.

>

> The point being that Parasara Muni was not exaggerating when he said that

> Vimshottari Mahadasa was the best. I am not saying that the other Mahadasa

> systems may not be useful, in particular Kalachakra Dasa, and, with all

> sincerity, I applaud you and others who are investigating this secondary and

> tertiary systems. But as the Rishi said this is Kali-yuga and the maximum

> longevity is 120 years and very few even get close to that so who really has

> time to master the other Dasha systems? " Ars longa vita brevis, " Art is

> long, but life is short. Jyotish is an ocean of knowledge and it is

> impossible to understand it all. When Sankaracarya went to debate with

> Madana Mishra the disciple of Kumarilla Bhatta it was jointly decided that

> they would debate on all topics except for Jyotish because it was such a

> vast subject no one could know everything about it.

>

> My only objection is that in your enthusiasm for Kalachakra Mahadasha and

> even lesser Dasha systems you have needlessly minimized Vimshottari

> Mahadasha. You may not know this but you have a reputation for playing down

> and minimizing the system which Parasara said was the best. The very fact

> that I had to prove this to you shows what your attitude has been. I have

> been shown texts on several occasions where you slighted it as ineffective

> and then immediately launched into this or that Dasa system (please don't

> ask me for examples as I tossed them long ago). Rather than take such an

> approach why not just say " well this is what we can see from Vimshottari

> Mahadasha let's see if other Dasa systems can shed extra light on it and

> give more details. " That would be healthier for the science of Jyotish.

>

> I am just wondering what will happen to the future of Jyotish if we lose a

> whole generation of astrologers who do not have the proper respect for

> Vimshottari Mahadasa and thus do not spend enough time practicing it and

> mastering it because they have spent their precious time on lesser systems?

> Continue with your research on Kalachakra Mahadasha but also spend the time

> and find out why Parasara called it " mukhyaa vimshottari. " I beg to

> remain...

>

>

>

> Yours in the service of my eternal master Srila Prabhupada

>

> Shyamasundara Dasa

>

> www.ShyamasundaraDasa.com

>

> PS Please find attached PDFs of Sharma's and Kapoor's translation as well as

> the citation from MM Williams Sanskrit dictionary.

>

> PPS could others please send this to the various appropriate .

[Guest guest]

Dear Christian,

 

I do not know of the chart of Anandamayi and it maybe advisable to look into

this a little more in depth, especially try to get the authenticity of the

time. About Deepak Chopra, I do not know about his spiritual activities and

cannot comment. Is he the one who is the management Guru? The Lagna itself

is very important also. For example if Sagittarius rises and Guru is exalted

in 8th house, the implications are totally different and you won't hear

" Asura Yoga " from me.

 

I was not writing in Isolation about this point, but was trying to put it

into the right perspective when the basics about disease etc were not being

spelt out.

Best wishes

Sanjay Rath

 

 

 

Sanjay Rath wrote

 

Page 271 of Notable Horoscopes -Dr Raman writes:

" According to Hindu Astrology if the eighth is occupied by

benefics-especially Jupiter and Venus-the combination goes under the name of

Asura Yoga. This makes the native a tyrant taking pleasure in the suffering

of others. " Dr Raman goes on to describe this Yoga as given by Manteswara.

 

However, in Orissa, this definition was taught slightly differently as

SURA leads to the word SURYA, and the Guru of the Sura's is Jupiter. Thus

Jupiter in the eighth is the definition of Asura Yoga which is well depicted

in the chart of Benito Mussolini and NOT Srila Prabhupada. "

 

 

But it is also present in the charts of Amritanandamayi Ma, Deepak Chopra

and many other spiritual persons. With all respect is it not a little

dangerous to base such a conclusion on ONE planet in ONE house ? I just ask

as a student.

 

Best regards

 

Cristian

[Guest guest]

Dear Sanjay Rath

 

 

Sorry I made a mistake. Guru is not in the 8th house using equel houses in

the two charts under discussion. However In my favorite unequel house

system - Alcabitius Guru is in the 8th in both charts. But that is another

story.

 

 

 

Amritanandamayi Ma

 

Data source from Autobiography:

Rodden Rating B

 

 

Date 09-27-1953

Time 9:10 IST (-5:30)

Place: Vallickavu , India

Lat 09N10

Long 76E31

 

 

For Deepak Chopra I have the same data in Rodden Astrodatabase as Brendan.

The data is from his memory with Rodden Rating A.

 

I met Deepka Chopra once many years ago when I got initation into primortial

sounds. At that time Chopra was still employed by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.

 

 

 

Thank You

 

Best wishes

 

Cristian

 

> Dear Christian,

>

> I do not know of the chart of Anandamayi and it maybe advisable to look

into

> this a little more in depth, especially try to get the authenticity of the

> time. About Deepak Chopra, I do not know about his spiritual activities

and

> cannot comment. Is he the one who is the management Guru? The Lagna itself

> is very important also. For example if Sagittarius rises and Guru is

exalted

> in 8th house, the implications are totally different and you won't hear

> " Asura Yoga " from me.

>

> I was not writing in Isolation about this point, but was trying to put it

> into the right perspective when the basics about disease etc were not

being

> spelt out.

> Best wishes

> Sanjay Rath

>

>

>

> Sanjay Rath wrote

>

> Page 271 of Notable Horoscopes -Dr Raman writes:

> " According to Hindu Astrology if the eighth is occupied by

> benefics-especially Jupiter and Venus-the combination goes under the name

of

> Asura Yoga. This makes the native a tyrant taking pleasure in the

suffering

> of others. " Dr Raman goes on to describe this Yoga as given by Manteswara.

>

> However, in Orissa, this definition was taught slightly differently as

> SURA leads to the word SURYA, and the Guru of the Sura's is Jupiter. Thus

> Jupiter in the eighth is the definition of Asura Yoga which is well

depicted

> in the chart of Benito Mussolini and NOT Srila Prabhupada. "

>

>

> But it is also present in the charts of Amritanandamayi Ma, Deepak

Chopra

> and many other spiritual persons. With all respect is it not a little

> dangerous to base such a conclusion on ONE planet in ONE house ? I just

ask

> as a student.

>

> Best regards

>

> Cristian

>

>

>

>

>

> OM TAT SAT

> Archive: varahamihira

> Info: varahamihira/info.html

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Christian,

 

Namaste. Is this Alcabitius house system mentioned in any classics especially

BPHS or

UPSJ?

If not then why do you use it? What is the house system that they prefer and

make mention

of?

 

Yours,

 

Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

<gauranga

Phone:+36-309-140-839

 

> Dear Sanjay Rath

>

>

> Sorry I made a mistake. Guru is not in the 8th house using equel houses in

> the two charts under discussion. However In my favorite unequel house

> system - Alcabitius Guru is in the 8th in both charts. But that is another

> story.

>

>

>

> Amritanandamayi Ma

>

> Data source from Autobiography:

> Rodden Rating B

>

>

> Date 09-27-1953

> Time 9:10 IST (-5:30)

> Place: Vallickavu , India

> Lat 09N10

> Long 76E31

>

>

> For Deepak Chopra I have the same data in Rodden Astrodatabase as Brendan.

> The data is from his memory with Rodden Rating A.

>

> I met Deepka Chopra once many years ago when I got initation into primortial

> sounds. At that time Chopra was still employed by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.

>

>

>

> Thank You

>

> Best wishes

>

> Cristian

>

> > Dear Christian,

> >

> > I do not know of the chart of Anandamayi and it maybe advisable to look

> into

> > this a little more in depth, especially try to get the authenticity of the

> > time. About Deepak Chopra, I do not know about his spiritual activities

> and

> > cannot comment. Is he the one who is the management Guru? The Lagna itself

> > is very important also. For example if Sagittarius rises and Guru is

> exalted

> > in 8th house, the implications are totally different and you won't hear

> > " Asura Yoga " from me.

> >

> > I was not writing in Isolation about this point, but was trying to put it

> > into the right perspective when the basics about disease etc were not

> being

> > spelt out.

> > Best wishes

> > Sanjay Rath

> >

> >

> >

> > Sanjay Rath wrote

> >

> > Page 271 of Notable Horoscopes -Dr Raman writes:

> > " According to Hindu Astrology if the eighth is occupied by

> > benefics-especially Jupiter and Venus-the combination goes under the name

> of

> > Asura Yoga. This makes the native a tyrant taking pleasure in the

> suffering

> > of others. " Dr Raman goes on to describe this Yoga as given by Manteswara.

> >

> > However, in Orissa, this definition was taught slightly differently as

> > SURA leads to the word SURYA, and the Guru of the Sura's is Jupiter. Thus

> > Jupiter in the eighth is the definition of Asura Yoga which is well

> depicted

> > in the chart of Benito Mussolini and NOT Srila Prabhupada. "

> >

> >

> > But it is also present in the charts of Amritanandamayi Ma, Deepak

> Chopra

> > and many other spiritual persons. With all respect is it not a little

> > dangerous to base such a conclusion on ONE planet in ONE house ? I just

> ask

> > as a student.

> >

> > Best regards

> >

> > Cristian

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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