[Jagannath] [Fwd: NR virus /enlightenment]

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Om Jaya Jaya Jagannatha Namamyaham

Dear Tapani,

 

You are under an illusion about consciousness. It is better that you ask

about my knowledge, skills and meditation to some of your people like Swami

Asutosh (Urs Strobell) and others in your Jyotish department. They are very

cultured and are better representatives of the Maharishi movement. In fact

this is the first time that one from the Maharishi movement has spoken in

this manner. Shiva is knowledge and it is better to strive for knowledge. As

regards meditation, you are , perhaps quite aware about my knowledge in

these matters. In fact I have a lot of admiration for the TM movement, but

people like you do not and CANNOT represent such a good thing.

 

As regrds MOKSHA, sitting in a world of comforts and computers...it is

not as easy as that. If you really want it, then walk out of your little

world today and come to the lofty Himalaya's. Live among the true Tapaswi's

in Kailash and perhaps you can say that you are ready. In fact, there are

some very excellent people in the TM movement who are already involved in

this thing like URS STROBELL. Do interact with him and learn to be peaceful

within. Urs is already implementing a very good project in the foothills of

Himalaya's and I hope that the more sincere among you can come here with a

peaceful objective and high ideals. You should be participating in the huge

Yagya which is being done by Maharishi in Allahabad right now instead of

conjuring up tales of Virus's. As regards Guru's perhaps you are not even

aware of the meaning of the term and the types of Guru's. I am a SIKSHA GURU

and not a DIKSHA GURU. I hope you consult your seniors in the movement so

that they can explain the difference between these terms. My own Diksha Guru

is Pt. Kasinath Rath and I belong to the family of RATH-ATREYA (You will

find this name of the Maharishi in the Rig Veda- If you care to read it).

Maharshi Atri is the one who was the originator of the Meditation and hence

the MOON belongs to the ATREYA GOTRA. He meditated and placed the Moon on

the head of Lord Shiva and to this day people worship Shiva on Mondays.

Hence OUR Family worships Lord Shiva ONLY in His lunar form as SOMANATH and

Vishnu only in His lunar form as Krishna or Jagannath. I don't need to

continue about this.

 

As regards flying, I am quite aware of the " hopping " that is caused by

the power of the leg muscles due to intense meditation. As regarsd

awareness, a TRUE JYOTISH IS ONE WHO IS AWARE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE

WORLD AT ALL TIMES. This is due to his constant contact with the PARA level.

If you are really associated with the Maharishi movement, then you shall

understand what I am talking about, else, forget that I ever wrote all this.

Again, if you have been meditating regularly, you would not get all this

worked up and send all this stuff about virus and other freckles of your

imagination.

 

Get over the negative effect of Mars. Maharshi has a very nice book on

the ultimate Defence strategy for all nations of the world. I am sure it

will help you. There are also so many good things in all other movements.

The Shakti movement of the Ramakrishna Mission or the Bhakti (Love) movement

of the ISKCON are some fine examples. These people are also very good and

God loving. Why hate them? If you hate, then MOKSHA is surely denied. I had

written earlier about the fact that the writing of the Srimad Bhagavad Gita

with its 700 verses is the Greatest gift of Sankaracharya to this modern

world. What should this tell us? If Krishna Cosciousness is bogus, then why

would Sankaracharya write this Gita?? Think my friend, Sankaracharya cannot

be wrong, so what was he trying to tell the world?

 

A thousand years back one of my fore-fathers left Somanath in Saurashtra

to come to Kanyakubja, and thereafter, 700 years back another of my

fore-fathers left Kanyakubja (Kanauj) to come to Puri with this single

motive...to establish the teachings of the Guru's. He was granted land by

the then King of Puri Sri Balabhadra Deva and the Bira Balabhadrapur village

was established. They built TWO TEMPLES: One of Lord Somanath with a Linga

that is always immersed in the waters of the adjoining river Bhagirati and

the other that of Sri Vishnu.

 

Anyway, I am finishing here and this will be my last mail for some

time...I guess I need to meditate. I thought that people were benefitting by

my company and my sharing of knowledge, but if I am becoming a burden, then

I must go. This is the way of the world. Forgive me if I have hurt you or

Raghu. Narasimha is my Sisya and he wrote this program at my behest and my

request for the benefit of all astrologers, especially those who cannot

afford the same.

 

Om Tat Sat

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

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> [vedic astrology] Re: NR virus /enlightenment

> Sat, 01 Jan 2000 15:45:35 +0200

> Tapani <veda

> vedic astrology

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> Nimmi Ragavan wrote: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 18:21:12 -0000

>

> My dear Nimmi

>

> > I see no reason to suggest that enlightenment is the exclusive preserve

of one individual or group. It would defeat the purpose and create the same

kind of centralised religion that has been treated more as a 'must join'

club.

>

> No problem.

>

> In the case of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and his movement the

> evidences are important. So many TM meditators have reached the

> level of enlightened consciousness. This is the first time in the

> history of mankind that it can be done by a systematic way -

> again and again a new meditator gets enlightenment. The most

> important point is that the meditator who wants to get

> enlightenment he has to do TM sidhi program regularly every day

> for many years.

>

> > And by implication putting down Narasimha's chosen guru is very rude and

condescending and not even the sign of enlightenment.

>

> There are Gurus and gurus. The Gurus are enlightened and

> enlightenment does not depend on if he belongs to any group or

> not. The gurus are those who are better called consultants or

> advisors or jyotishis or vaidyas or something.

>

> We have many gurus also in my country. In the west it is just a

> normal phenomenon to say that a good expert is a guru. But they

> are not enlightened.

>

> I am aware of Sanjay Rath's skill and willing to work for the

> better world, but he is not enlightened. Of course he has his

> freedom to accept if someone calls him guru. My understanding is

> that if I choose a non-enlightened person to be my Guru, he does

> not have any possibility to teach or guide me to enlightenment.

>

> This is so simple question to solve by a practical way. Sanjay

> Rath, if you read this, please tell me are you enlightened? I

> mean are you witnessing your activity 24 hours in every day? As

> sleeping are you always aware that right now I am seeing a dream

> when you are in the state of dream? As sleeping another part of

> sleep, deep sleep, that a sleeper is not normally aware about,

> are you always aware that right now I am in deep sleep?

>

> > Personally, I think Narasimha is doing pretty well as it is, and I don't

see the need to assume that there is this need to join up with any

particular group.

>

> Group. When many people meditates regularly in a group it makes

> their development faster.

>

> > This is not a tradition in India, as many sishyas have done very well

with guru's who are not even heard of outside in the rest of the world.

>

> Of course this is possible. But another question is what does

> mean " have done very well with guru's ... " ? If their followers

> do not get enlightenment they have not done well. I am aware that

> there are many fascinating gurus in India but I am also aware

> that so many of them, even if they work seriously, cannot guide

> anyone to enlightenment.

>

> The most of those systems are corrupted over the centuries.

>

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>

> I tell you a story. When I was a beginning meditator, 20-25 years

> ago, my feeling was so great that I started to believe that this

> is enlightenment. I was very lucky that we had TM teachers who

> told me that we did not have any enlightened person in my

> country.

>

> Dear Nimmi, whenever you meet a " guru " , please check it

> immediately if he is enlightened or not.

>

> There are many in India who are living in constant samadhi.

>

> Even if one is not enlightened he can be a go(o)d human people.

>

> Jyotish mati pragya should be the goal of every jyotishi. Jyotish

> mati pragya means all knowingness.

>

> Thank you for your good observation.

>

> JaiGuruDev

> Tapani

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