[Jagannath] [Fwd: NR virus /enlightenment]]

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Dear Gurudev,

 

We need a GURU like you for enlightenment in a devine subject like Jyotisha.

We cannot afford to lose you. I can understand the pain you must be having due

to the action of one of the list members in the other list (Vedic-astrology

list). Please dont think that you can be a burden to us. You are like god sent

messanger. Please shed any thought of going away from us. We really need your

guidance.

 

Pranaam

Sarajit

 

Anyway, I am finishing here and this will be my last mail for some

time...I guess I need to meditate. I thought that people were benefitting by

my company and my sharing of knowledge, but if I am becoming a burden, then

I must go. This is the way of the world. Forgive me if I have hurt you or

Raghu. Narasimha is my Sisya and he wrote this program at my behest and my

request for the benefit of all astrologers, especially those who cannot

afford the same.

 

Om Tat Sat

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

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> [vedic astrology] Re: NR virus /enlightenment

> Sat, 01 Jan 2000 15:45:35 +0200

> Tapani <veda

> vedic astrology

> vedic astrology

> References: <01BF53BB.D3254C90

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> Nimmi Ragavan wrote: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 18:21:12 -0000

>

> My dear Nimmi

>

> > I see no reason to suggest that enlightenment is the exclusive preserve

of one individual or group. It would defeat the purpose and create the same

kind of centralised religion that has been treated more as a 'must join'

club.

>

> No problem.

>

> In the case of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and his movement the

> evidences are important. So many TM meditators have reached the

> level of enlightened consciousness. This is the first time in the

> history of mankind that it can be done by a systematic way -

> again and again a new meditator gets enlightenment. The most

> important point is that the meditator who wants to get

> enlightenment he has to do TM sidhi program regularly every day

> for many years.

>

> > And by implication putting down Narasimha's chosen guru is very rude and

condescending and not even the sign of enlightenment.

>

> There are Gurus and gurus. The Gurus are enlightened and

> enlightenment does not depend on if he belongs to any group or

> not. The gurus are those who are better called consultants or

> advisors or jyotishis or vaidyas or something.

>

> We have many gurus also in my country. In the west it is just a

> normal phenomenon to say that a good expert is a guru. But they

> are not enlightened.

>

> I am aware of Sanjay Rath's skill and willing to work for the

> better world, but he is not enlightened. Of course he has his

> freedom to accept if someone calls him guru. My understanding is

> that if I choose a non-enlightened person to be my Guru, he does

> not have any possibility to teach or guide me to enlightenment.

>

> This is so simple question to solve by a practical way. Sanjay

> Rath, if you read this, please tell me are you enlightened? I

> mean are you witnessing your activity 24 hours in every day? As

> sleeping are you always aware that right now I am seeing a dream

> when you are in the state of dream? As sleeping another part of

> sleep, deep sleep, that a sleeper is not normally aware about,

> are you always aware that right now I am in deep sleep?

>

> > Personally, I think Narasimha is doing pretty well as it is, and I don't

see the need to assume that there is this need to join up with any

particular group.

>

> Group. When many people meditates regularly in a group it makes

> their development faster.

>

> > This is not a tradition in India, as many sishyas have done very well

with guru's who are not even heard of outside in the rest of the world.

>

> Of course this is possible. But another question is what does

> mean " have done very well with guru's ... " ? If their followers

> do not get enlightenment they have not done well. I am aware that

> there are many fascinating gurus in India but I am also aware

> that so many of them, even if they work seriously, cannot guide

> anyone to enlightenment.

>

> The most of those systems are corrupted over the centuries.

>

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>

> I tell you a story. When I was a beginning meditator, 20-25 years

> ago, my feeling was so great that I started to believe that this

> is enlightenment. I was very lucky that we had TM teachers who

> told me that we did not have any enlightened person in my

> country.

>

> Dear Nimmi, whenever you meet a " guru " , please check it

> immediately if he is enlightened or not.

>

> There are many in India who are living in constant samadhi.

>

> Even if one is not enlightened he can be a go(o)d human people.

>

> Jyotish mati pragya should be the goal of every jyotishi. Jyotish

> mati pragya means all knowingness.

>

> Thank you for your good observation.

>

> JaiGuruDev

> Tapani

>

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