Guest guest Posted April 18, 2000 Report Share Posted April 18, 2000 OM VISHNAVE NAMAH Dear Narasimha, I think there has been some small error in the directions. I have given the correct ones. E is ruled by the Sun, SE by Venus, S by Mars, SW by Rahu, W by Saturn, NW by Moon, N by Mercury, NE by Jupiter and the vertical by Ketu. That is a brilliant exposition of the names of the Sun. I hope all this can be consolidated and put in the new issue of the Jyotish News by Sarat. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - Narasimha Rao <pvr <varahamihira > Tuesday, April 18, 2000 2243 S Rath [Jagannath] Re: Aditya Hridaya Mantra > Hare Rama Krishna > Pranaam Sanjay, > > > Dearest Vijay, > > > > Vesco episode really made me lose my head...It is neither. > Narasimha has the > > right answer and I hope he takes a minute off to contribute the > correct > > term. > > The correct 4th vibhakti form is: Vivasvate. So it should > be " Om Vivasvate Namah " . > > > I hope he shall also try to put in a few lines abou the meaning of > > these words so that all benefit...for example Surya is the name of > one of > > the sages as well. > > I will certainly obey your command. Here is the little that > I know on this topic: > > All these words mean " Sun " . There are 12 forms of Sun, > which symbolically stand for Sun in the 12 signs. Of these, > Krishna listed the correct form to be worshipped in each > direction. I will give a short description of each. You can > clearly see how the description of each Sun-god correlates > with the planets that have a natural rulership over > different directions. All the planets came from different > forms of Sun! > > (1) Surya: This term is from " svar " , which means a bright > lustre and also means sound. Surya is the form of Sun who > is very bright and always perceived by Sages and poets. He > also rules over sounds. > > He is worshipped in the E direction ruled by Venus. > > (2) Ravi: This term is from the dhatu " ru " , which means to > hum and to sing. Ravi is a form of Sun and he is a singer. > > He is worshipped in the SE direction ruled by Moon. > > (3) Vivasvat(n): Vivasvat means one who has vivas. Vivas > means brightness, illumination and shining. Vivasvat is the > seat of fire and he is very brilliant. He was the father of > Vaivasvata Manu, the progenitor of human race. He wrote > dharma sastras for the orderly conduct of human race and > taught them to his son Manu. Manu then wrote Manu smriti. > > He is worshipped in the S direction ruled by Mars. > > (4) Bhaga: He gives material success, good fortune, love, > passion and prosperity. There is a story that his eyes were > destroyed by Rudra. He is another form of Sun. > > He is worshipped in the SW direction ruled by Rahu. > > (5) Varuna: He is the oldest of Gods. He possesses great > wisdom and hates lies. He punishes sinners with a paasa and > inflicts disease. Yama is his friend. He is the God of > ocean and he is very patient. > > He is worshipped in the W direction ruled by Saturn. > > (6) Mitra: It means friend. Mitra is a form of Sun who is a > friend of Varuna. He was described in Rig Veda as athe one > who tells men to engage in action. > > He is worshipped in the NW direction ruled by Ketu. I don't > know why. In other cases, I can see a clear astro-link. > > (7) Aditya: He is the son of Aditi, mother of Gods. He is a > form of Sun responsible for heavens. When Vishnu took the > avatar of Vamana, he was born to Aditi and so Aditya is > also used to describe Vamana avatar. > > He is worshipped in the N direction ruled by Jupiter. > > (8) Vishnu: The dhatu " vish " means " to be present in " . And > the word " Vishnu " means " one who is present in everything " > (all-pervading). Mercury represents Vishnu among all > planets. Vishnu is also a form of Sun and he is > all-pervasive. > > He is worshipped in the NE direction ruled by Mercury. > > (9) Bhaskara: " Bhaah " means bright rays. " Kara " means one > who makes. Bhaskara means one who makes bright rays. He is > the form of Sun responsible for making light. > > He is worshipped in the vertical (or central) direction > ruled by Sun. > > > Best Wishes > > Sanjay Rath > > I have a couple of comments on the unfortunate Vesco > episode: > > It is a simple case of huge culture gap. Concepts like > submissveness to guru are very basic in Indian culture. But > they are totally new to some westerners without a basis in > Indian culture. It is easy to find fault with Vesco, but, > to be fair to him, he is from a different world and may not > have known what was expected from him. > > We should be careful when accepting a sishya into SJVC. > > Vesco makes a good point that there is nothing here for a > complete beginner. We should do something about it. All the > resources we have are for advanced students or atleast > those who are ok with all the basics. We have nothing for a > total beginner (except at Delhi). We should. > > Your sishya, > Narasimha > > PS: I am not writing on the lists these days to concentrate > on the book. But I continue to read this list (as far as > the other list is concerned, I don't even read it). > > Even after I made it clear that my leaving for 2 months had > nothing to do with the Dina-natha exchange, you looked at > it as a self-punishment. I did not think I did anything > worthy of a punishment or self-punishment. I faced extreme > hostility, but showed resraint. I was hurt when you > projected my exile as a self-punishment. > > However you thought I was going for a self-punishment and > so I will. After the 2 months of exile (or reduced > activity) during April-May, I will indeed give myself a > self-punishment and stay away from this list completely for > 2 months (June-July). > > > > ------ > Get paid for the stuff you know! > Get answers for the stuff you don't. And get $10 to spend on the site! > http://click./1/2200/4/_/2192/_/956078024/ > ------ > > HARE RAMA KRISHNA > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2000 Report Share Posted April 19, 2000 >I have a couple of comments on the unfortunate Vesco >episode: > >It is a simple case of huge culture gap. Concepts like >submissveness to guru are very basic in Indian culture. But >they are totally new to some westerners without a basis in >Indian culture. It is easy to find fault with Vesco, but, >to be fair to him, he is from a different world and may not >have known what was expected from him. > >We should be careful when accepting a sishya into SJVC. > >Vesco makes a good point that there is nothing here for a >complete beginner. We should do something about it. All the >resources we have are for advanced students or atleast >those who are ok with all the basics. We have nothing for a >total beginner (except at Delhi). We should. > >Your sishya, >Narasimha > JAy Gurudev, I have to write on this as I am a complete beginner. I have recieved no training in jyotish anywhere and I can really feel this gap. It does not bother me much since I do not live of jyotish, rather learn it in my leasure time so to speak and as an interest and avoid reading horoscopes anyway as I do not consider myself qualified for that, and as such do not like to interfere in peoples lives, even though they all the times ask me questions, even Hrishikesh Maharaja. So I need to recieve some basic training somewhere and if I do not get it here I'll have to go to Adrian Predrag Kezele. He is only one enough qualified to learn astrology from here. But I do not like his prices, otherwise I would have already gone there. You should specify what do you want from your SJVC. Prabhupada had things specified for his society, Puri Maharaja has got for his, Bhaktisiddhnata has got, everybody has got. So You should also make something so people can know. If you expect begginers you should do something for that, if not then you should say so. Or recommend some books at least. As I see it now, and as I would have expected all will be allowed so you should, gradually, make some ajustments in this regard. Also from cultural point of view if you accept westerners. I have been dabbling with eastern philosophy for all of my short life and yet I have so much trouble accepting authority as it is done in Vedic culture and many other things. I see it when people relate to Puri Maharaja also. Such a different concepts in life. Its not easy to ajust. Many cannot do that and then they go away, even though they are interested. so some views, yours sisya, Zavisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2000 Report Share Posted April 19, 2000 At 18. 4. 2000 23:53:00, you wrote: >>I have a couple of comments on the unfortunate Vesco >>episode: >> >>It is a simple case of huge culture gap. Concepts like >>submissveness to guru are very basic in Indian culture. But >>they are totally new to some westerners without a basis in >>Indian culture. It is easy to find fault with Vesco, but, >>to be fair to him, he is from a different world and may not >>have known what was expected from him. >> >>We should be careful when accepting a sishya into SJVC. >> >>Vesco makes a good point that there is nothing here for a >>complete beginner. We should do something about it. All the >>resources we have are for advanced students or atleast >>those who are ok with all the basics. We have nothing for a >>total beginner (except at Delhi). We should. >> >>Your sishya, >>Narasimha >> > > >JAy Gurudev, > >I have to write on this as I am a complete beginner. I have recieved no training in jyotish >anywhere and I can really feel this gap. It does not bother me much since I do not live of >jyotish, rather learn it in my leasure time so to speak and as an interest and avoid reading >horoscopes anyway as I do not consider myself qualified for that, and as such do not like to >interfere in peoples lives, even though they all the times ask me questions, even Hrishikesh >Maharaja. So I need to recieve some basic training somewhere and if I do not get it here I'll >have to go to Adrian Predrag Kezele. He is only one enough qualified to learn astrology from >here. But I do not like his prices, otherwise I would have already gone there. > >You should specify what do you want from your SJVC. Prabhupada had things specified for his >society, Puri Maharaja has got for his, Bhaktisiddhnata has got, everybody has got. So You >should also make something so people can know. If you expect begginers you should do something >for that, if not then you should say so. Or recommend some books at least. As I see it now, and >as I would have expected all will be allowed so you should, gradually, make some ajustments in >this regard. Also from cultural point of view if you accept westerners. I have been dabbling >with eastern philosophy for all of my short life and yet I have so much trouble accepting >authority as it is done in Vedic culture and many other things. I see it when people relate to >Puri Maharaja also. Such a different concepts in life. Its not easy to ajust. Many cannot do >that and then they go away, even though they are interested. > >so some views, > >yours sisya, > >Zavisa > > I am enjoying my time with Saturn exactly over my Jupiter in tranzit now, so this is one of its frustrations. > >HARE RAMA KRISHNA >Archive: varahamihira >Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2000 Report Share Posted April 19, 2000 Zavisa Nikac wrote: >I have a couple of comments on the unfortunate Vesco >episode: >We should be careful when accepting a sishya into SJVC. >Vesco makes a good point that there is nothing here for a >complete beginner. We should do something about it. All the >resources we have are for advanced students or atleast >those who are ok with all the basics. We have nothing for a >total beginner (except at Delhi). We should. You should specify what do you want from your SJVC. Or recommend some books at least. As I see it now, and as I would have expected all will be allowed so you should, gradually, make some ajustments in this regard. Also from cultural point of view if you accept westerners. I have been dabbling with eastern philosophy for all of my short life and yet I have so much trouble accepting authority as it is done in Vedic culture and many other things. I see it when people relate to Puri Maharaja also. Such a different concepts in life. Its not easy to ajust. Many cannot do that and then they go away, even though they are interested. You can see some recommended books at http://www.sjvc.net/books.htm Typically, enrolling into SJVC was expected through its members after looking at the natives horoscope (of one who want to become a member). That, way, every member is a sishya of another member prior to admission into SJVC. So, typically members are not expected to be begginers. How ever, some of us (like me) are still begginers. But, one who recommended our enrolling are expected to give some guidence (my brother suggested me to SJVC and Sanjay kindly admitted me in - My brother was giving me consistant guidance). So, SJVC may not do it directly. How ever, it would be great if SJVC can do it!! Best regards, Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2000 Report Share Posted April 20, 2000 Dear Vijay & Zavisa, We have started the Rath's Lectures and these are to continue... Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - Pingali Vijaya Kumara Lakshmi Narayana Rao <pvklnrao <varahamihira > Wednesday, April 19, 2000 1122 S Rath Re: [Jagannath] Re: Aditya Hridaya Mantra > Zavisa Nikac wrote: > >I have a couple of comments on the unfortunate Vesco > >episode: > >We should be careful when accepting a sishya into SJVC. > >Vesco makes a good point that there is nothing here for a > >complete beginner. We should do something about it. All the > >resources we have are for advanced students or atleast > >those who are ok with all the basics. We have nothing for a > >total beginner (except at Delhi). We should. > You should specify what do you want from your SJVC. > > Or recommend some books at least. As I see it now, and > as I would have expected all will be allowed so you should, gradually, make some ajustments in > this regard. Also from cultural point of view if you accept westerners. I have been dabbling > with eastern philosophy for all of my short life and yet I have so much trouble accepting > authority as it is done in Vedic culture and many other things. I see it when people relate to > Puri Maharaja also. Such a different concepts in life. Its not easy to ajust. Many cannot do > that and then they go away, even though they are interested. > You can see some recommended books at > http://www.sjvc.net/books.htm > Typically, enrolling into SJVC was expected through its members after looking at the natives horoscope (of one who > want to become a member). That, way, every member is a sishya of another member prior to admission into SJVC. > So, typically members are not expected to be begginers. How ever, some of us (like me) are still begginers. But, one > who recommended our enrolling are expected to give some guidence (my brother suggested me to SJVC and Sanjay kindly > admitted me in - My brother was giving me consistant guidance). So, SJVC may not do it directly. > > How ever, it would be great if SJVC can do it!! > > Best regards, > Vijay > > > -------- ------ > > > > -------- ------ > HARE RAMA KRISHNA > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2000 Report Share Posted April 20, 2000 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Sarat, Pranaams. Wasn't the Jotish News to appear on the 15th of April? I sent an article to you. Did you receive it? Yours, Gauranga das -----Eredeti üzenet----- Feladó: Sanjay Rath <srath Címzett: <varahamihira > Elküldve: 2000. április 18. 20:23 Tárgy: Re: [Jagannath] Re: Aditya Hridaya Mantra > OM VISHNAVE NAMAH > > Dear Narasimha, > I think there has been some small error in the directions. I have given > the correct ones. E is ruled by the Sun, SE by Venus, S by Mars, SW by Rahu, > W by Saturn, NW by Moon, N by Mercury, NE by Jupiter and the vertical by > Ketu. > > That is a brilliant exposition of the names of the Sun. I hope all this can > be consolidated and put in the new issue of the Jyotish News by Sarat. > Best Wishes > Sanjay Rath > > - > Narasimha Rao <pvr > <varahamihira > > Tuesday, April 18, 2000 2243 S Rath > [Jagannath] Re: Aditya Hridaya Mantra > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Pranaam Sanjay, > > > > > Dearest Vijay, > > > > > > Vesco episode really made me lose my head...It is neither. > > Narasimha has the > > > right answer and I hope he takes a minute off to contribute the > > correct > > > term. > > > > The correct 4th vibhakti form is: Vivasvate. So it should > > be " Om Vivasvate Namah " . > > > > > I hope he shall also try to put in a few lines abou the meaning of > > > these words so that all benefit...for example Surya is the name of > > one of > > > the sages as well. > > > > I will certainly obey your command. Here is the little that > > I know on this topic: > > > > All these words mean " Sun " . There are 12 forms of Sun, > > which symbolically stand for Sun in the 12 signs. Of these, > > Krishna listed the correct form to be worshipped in each > > direction. I will give a short description of each. You can > > clearly see how the description of each Sun-god correlates > > with the planets that have a natural rulership over > > different directions. All the planets came from different > > forms of Sun! > > > > (1) Surya: This term is from " svar " , which means a bright > > lustre and also means sound. Surya is the form of Sun who > > is very bright and always perceived by Sages and poets. He > > also rules over sounds. > > > > He is worshipped in the E direction ruled by Venus. > > > > (2) Ravi: This term is from the dhatu " ru " , which means to > > hum and to sing. Ravi is a form of Sun and he is a singer. > > > > He is worshipped in the SE direction ruled by Moon. > > > > (3) Vivasvat(n): Vivasvat means one who has vivas. Vivas > > means brightness, illumination and shining. Vivasvat is the > > seat of fire and he is very brilliant. He was the father of > > Vaivasvata Manu, the progenitor of human race. He wrote > > dharma sastras for the orderly conduct of human race and > > taught them to his son Manu. Manu then wrote Manu smriti. > > > > He is worshipped in the S direction ruled by Mars. > > > > (4) Bhaga: He gives material success, good fortune, love, > > passion and prosperity. There is a story that his eyes were > > destroyed by Rudra. He is another form of Sun. > > > > He is worshipped in the SW direction ruled by Rahu. > > > > (5) Varuna: He is the oldest of Gods. He possesses great > > wisdom and hates lies. He punishes sinners with a paasa and > > inflicts disease. Yama is his friend. He is the God of > > ocean and he is very patient. > > > > He is worshipped in the W direction ruled by Saturn. > > > > (6) Mitra: It means friend. Mitra is a form of Sun who is a > > friend of Varuna. He was described in Rig Veda as athe one > > who tells men to engage in action. > > > > He is worshipped in the NW direction ruled by Ketu. I don't > > know why. In other cases, I can see a clear astro-link. > > > > (7) Aditya: He is the son of Aditi, mother of Gods. He is a > > form of Sun responsible for heavens. When Vishnu took the > > avatar of Vamana, he was born to Aditi and so Aditya is > > also used to describe Vamana avatar. > > > > He is worshipped in the N direction ruled by Jupiter. > > > > (8) Vishnu: The dhatu " vish " means " to be present in " . And > > the word " Vishnu " means " one who is present in everything " > > (all-pervading). Mercury represents Vishnu among all > > planets. Vishnu is also a form of Sun and he is > > all-pervasive. > > > > He is worshipped in the NE direction ruled by Mercury. > > > > (9) Bhaskara: " Bhaah " means bright rays. " Kara " means one > > who makes. Bhaskara means one who makes bright rays. He is > > the form of Sun responsible for making light. > > > > He is worshipped in the vertical (or central) direction > > ruled by Sun. > > > > > Best Wishes > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > I have a couple of comments on the unfortunate Vesco > > episode: > > > > It is a simple case of huge culture gap. Concepts like > > submissveness to guru are very basic in Indian culture. But > > they are totally new to some westerners without a basis in > > Indian culture. It is easy to find fault with Vesco, but, > > to be fair to him, he is from a different world and may not > > have known what was expected from him. > > > > We should be careful when accepting a sishya into SJVC. > > > > Vesco makes a good point that there is nothing here for a > > complete beginner. We should do something about it. All the > > resources we have are for advanced students or atleast > > those who are ok with all the basics. We have nothing for a > > total beginner (except at Delhi). We should. > > > > Your sishya, > > Narasimha > > > > PS: I am not writing on the lists these days to concentrate > > on the book. But I continue to read this list (as far as > > the other list is concerned, I don't even read it). > > > > Even after I made it clear that my leaving for 2 months had > > nothing to do with the Dina-natha exchange, you looked at > > it as a self-punishment. I did not think I did anything > > worthy of a punishment or self-punishment. I faced extreme > > hostility, but showed resraint. I was hurt when you > > projected my exile as a self-punishment. > > > > However you thought I was going for a self-punishment and > > so I will. After the 2 months of exile (or reduced > > activity) during April-May, I will indeed give myself a > > self-punishment and stay away from this list completely for > > 2 months (June-July). > > > > > > > > ------------------------- -------------- > > Get paid for the stuff you know! > > Get answers for the stuff you don't. And get $10 to spend on the site! > > http://click./1/2200/4/_/2192/_/956078024/ > > ------------------------- -------------- > > > > HARE RAMA KRISHNA > > Archive: varahamihira > > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- -------------- > Avoid the lines and visit avis.com for quick and easy online > reservations. Enjoy a compact car nationwide for only $29 a day! > Click here for more details. > http://click./1/3011/4/_/2192/_/956088593/ > ------------------------- -------------- > > HARE RAMA KRISHNA > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2000 Report Share Posted April 20, 2000 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Jyotisha, Pranaams. I think that we should encourage the beginners to join the list as well as they can learn much by association and endeavor (this is how I'm doing it), but we should make clear that they should ask qiestions whenever they have a doubt with some basics. Then the senoir students may answer these queries on the list, leaving Gurudeva to stick to the topic in the class. Thusoth purposes are served, and the more advanced students can solidify their knowledge by teaching others. Yours, Gauranga das > You can see some recommended books at > http://www.sjvc.net/books.htm > Typically, enrolling into SJVC was expected through its members after looking at the natives horoscope (of one who > want to become a member). That, way, every member is a sishya of another member prior to admission into SJVC. > So, typically members are not expected to be begginers. How ever, some of us (like me) are still begginers. But, one > who recommended our enrolling are expected to give some guidence (my brother suggested me to SJVC and Sanjay kindly > admitted me in - My brother was giving me consistant guidance). So, SJVC may not do it directly. > > How ever, it would be great if SJVC can do it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2000 Report Share Posted May 3, 2000 Dear Narasimha, Jaya Jagannath The directions given in Prasna Marga are the most authentic for Graha Pooja. That is different from the Natural directions of the planets. The Kala chakra directions are also different, but close to Prasna Marga. Use the natural directions. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - Narasimha Rao <pvr <varahamihira > Wednesday, April 19, 2000 2:39 AM [Jagannath] Re: Aditya Hridaya Mantra > Hare Rama Krishna > Pranaam Sanjay, > > > Dear Narasimha, > > I think there has been some small error in the directions. I > have given > > the correct ones. E is ruled by the Sun, SE by Venus, S by Mars, SW > by Rahu, > > W by Saturn, NW by Moon, N by Mercury, NE by Jupiter and the > vertical by > > Ketu. > > But, when Vedic ceremonies are performed and planets are > invoked, Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn, > Rahu and Ketu are invoked in center, SE, S, NE, N, E, W, SW > and NW directions respectively. These are the natural > directions of planets. > > Krishna's teaching mentioned by you is also consistent > with this. For example, Moon is a singer (Venus is a poet). > Ravi is a form of Sun who is a singer. Ravi is the form of > Sun with lunar energy. Krishna taught us to worship Ravi in > the SE direction. That should belong to Moon rather than > Venus as you say. > > Aditya is the form of Sun with the energy of Jupiter or > Vamana. Krishna tells us to worship him in north. So north > is Jupiter's. > > Vishnu is the form of Sun with the energy of Mercury. He is > worshipped in NE and so that direction is Mercury's. > > Vivasvat is the form of Sun with the energy of Mars. He is > worshipped in S and so that belongs to Mars. And so on. > > I think the directions given by Krishna for different forms > of Sun - i.e. energies of different planets in Sun - are > consistent with the natural directions of planets as used > in Vedic ceremonies and not as you listed above. > > > That is a brilliant exposition of the names of the Sun. > > Thank you. > > > I hope all this can > > be consolidated and put in the new issue of the Jyotish News by > Sarat. > > Best Wishes > > Sanjay Rath > > Your sishya, > Narasimha > > > > ------ > High rates giving you headaches? The 0% APR Introductory Rate from > Capital One. 9.9% Fixed thereafter! > http://click./1/3010/4/_/2192/_/956092207/ > ------ > > HARE RAMA KRISHNA > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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