Guest guest Posted April 27, 2000 Report Share Posted April 27, 2000 OM VISHNAVE NAMAH Dear Karu, Comments are under: - Karu <heen <varahamihira (AT) eGroups (DOT) com> Tuesday, April 25, 2000 10:16 AM [Jagannath] Re: [gjlist] Marriage > > > This principle can also be extended to the Navamsa in a chart.> This is a part of Brighu's & Jaimini teachings. For example if a> planet is in a sign (A), then any other planet placed in Navamsa (A)> or transiting Navamsa (A) shall be influenced by it. Let us say Ketu> is in Pisces, then the transit of the Sun (in any sign) in the> navamsa of Ketu can cause conception and pregnancy can result. The> technical term used in this case for Pisces navamsa is KETVAMSA. In> this manner, the sign occupied by Jupiter in Rasi chart is called> Guramsa in the Navamsa or the sign occupied by Lagna in Rasi chart is> called Lagnamsa in the Navamsa.> > > Jaya Jaya Jagannatha,> Namasthe Gurudeve Sanjay,> > To make sure it is clear to me I am forwarding my question about this.> > Your Jupiter is in Pisces in Rasi chart. Pisces is 5th from 9D and it is> the Guramsa. Moon is in your Guramsa. So Jupiter will be influenced by Moon> in Moon's periods or Mondays. RATH: THAT IS CORRECT. IN FACT THERE IS A SOOKSHMA PARIVARTANA BETWEEN THE MOON AND GURU AS GURU IS IN THE NAVAMSA OF THE SIGN OCCUPIED BY THE MOON AND THE MOON IS IN A NAVAMSA OF THE SIGN OCCUPIED BY GURU. THIS MAKES ME LOOK AT THE MOON AS MY GURU I.E. SRI KRISHNA BECOMES JAGANNATH IN MY CHART. > > Same way sign occupied by Lagna in rasi chart, ( called Lagna or Ascendent> sign) in the 9D is "Lagnamsa."> > Your Lagna is Pisces and in the 5th from 9D. So Lagnamsa is Pisces with Moon> in it.> > If I am correct, why you said that Scorpio is your Lagnamsa in page 59> Upadesa Suthra ? I think Scorpio is your Swamsa, not Lagnamsa. I had this> question from long time unanswered, this is the time to understand it. RATH: AMSALAGNA AND LAGNAMSA ARE QUITE INTERCHANGABLE AND ONE HAS TO BE CAREFUL IN READING. THIS IS THE MISTAKE KN RAO MADE IN THE INTERPRETATION OF THE WORD KARAKAMSA WHERE HE FEELS THAT THIS IS THE RASI SIGN OCCUPIED BY THE AK IN THE NAVAMSA. LAGNAMSA IS THE NAVAMSA OF LAGNA AND KARAKAMSA IS THE NAVAMSA OF ATMAKARAKA. IN FACT THE EXACT TERM SHOULD BE ATMAKARAKAMSA TO DIFFERENTIATE IT FROM THE OTHER KARAKA. VERY OFTEN YOU FIND THE WORD "AMSA" BEING USED AND ONE HAS TO BE VERY CAREFUL AS THIS IS GENERALLY NAVAMSA, BUT COULD BE DIFFERENT IN A SPECIFIC CONTEXT. I TRIED TO FINALISE A TERMINOLOGY BUT THE DIFFERENT WAYS OF USING SANSKRIT WORDS MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT.> > Could you please rectify me when you are OK ?> > Hare Krishna.> Your Sishya> > Karu yOU ARE A VERY SINCERE AND HARDWORKING INDIVIDUAL AND THIS WILL SURELY LEAD TO PERFECTION. Best WishesSanjay Rath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2000 Report Share Posted April 28, 2000 Jaya Jaya Jaganatha, Dear Gurudeva Sanjay, Now I have more trouble regarding Karakamsa/ lagnamsa. According to Sri KN Rao the karakamsa is * Rasi sign occupied by the AK in the Nawamsa chart.* IN YOUR CASE SATURN IS THE AK AND SATURN IN THE VIRGO IN 9D. SO YOUR'S KARAKAMSA MUST BE VIRGO. LAGNAMSA IS NAVAMSA OF LAGNA. SO LAGNAMSA = NAVAMSA IN YOUR'S, LAGNAMSA AND NAVAMSA IS SCORPIO. THEN WHAT WILL BE THE LAGNA SIGN IN THE 9D ? YOUR KETH-AMSA IS 2ND OF THE 9D.( SAG) YOUR GURAMSA IS 5TH OF THE 9D (PISC) YOUR SURYAMSA IS 9TH OF THE 9D (CAN) YOUR (LAGNAMSA) IS 5TH FROM 9D (PISC) ??? You say, *LAGNAMSA IS THE NAVAMSA OF LAGNA* AND *KARAKAMSA IS THE NAVAMSA OF ATMAKARAKA.* If Karakamsa is the navamsa of AK, it is still Virgo isn't ? Could you write in this regard, a detail letter ? Can any one who properly understand this help me to clear this ? Hare Krishna, Your Sishya Karu RATH: AMSALAGNA AND LAGNAMSA ARE QUITE INTERCHANGABLE AND ONE HAS TO BE CAREFUL IN READING. THIS IS THE MISTAKE KN RAO MADE IN THE INTERPRETATION OF THE WORD KARAKAMSA WHERE HE FEELS THAT THIS IS THE RASI SIGN OCCUPIED BY THE AK IN THE NAVAMSA. LAGNAMSA IS THE NAVAMSA OF LAGNA AND KARAKAMSA IS THE NAVAMSA OF ATMAKARAKA. IN FACT THE EXACT TERM SHOULD BE ATMAKARAKAMSA TO DIFFERENTIATE IT FROM THE OTHER KARAKA. VERY OFTEN YOU FIND THE WORD " AMSA " BEING USED AND ONE HAS TO BE VERY CAREFUL AS THIS IS GENERALLY NAVAMSA, BUT COULD BE DIFFERENT IN A SPECIFIC CONTEXT. I TRIED TO FINALISE A TERMINOLOGY BUT THE DIFFERENT WAYS OF USING SANSKRIT WORDS MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2000 Report Share Posted April 28, 2000 Dear Karu, Clarifications below: - Karu <heen <varahamihira > Friday, April 28, 2000 4:48 AM Re: [Jagannath] Re: [gjlist] Marriage Jaya Jaya Jaganatha,Dear Gurudeva Sanjay,Now I have more trouble regarding Karakamsa/ lagnamsa.According to Sri KN Rao the karakamsa is* Rasi sign occupied by the AK in the Nawamsa chart.*IN YOUR CASE SATURN IS THE AK AND SATURN IN THE VIRGO IN 9D. SO YOUR'S KARAKAMSA MUST BE VIRGO. RATH: OK ACCORDING TO THE PARAMPARA IT IS VIRGO IN THE NAVAMSA, BUT ACCORDING TO THE NEW RESEARCH OF KN RAO IT IS VIRGO IN THE RASI CHART.LAGNAMSA IS NAVAMSA OF LAGNA. SO LAGNAMSA = NAVAMSA IN YOUR'S, LAGNAMSA AND NAVAMSA IS SCORPIO. THEN WHAT WILL BE THE LAGNA SIGN IN THE 9D ? RATH: THAT IS WHERE I TRIED TO INTRODUCE A NEW TERM CALLED AMSA-LAGNA TO DIFFERENTIATE IT FROM LAGNAMSA. HOWEVER, TECHNICALLY, LAGNAMSA SIMPLY MEANS LAGNA + AMSA AND THIS CAN MEAN BOTH NAVAMSA LAGNA I.E. SCORPIO AS WELL AS THE NAVAMSA SIGN PISCES WHICH HAPPENS TO BE THE LAGNA IN THE RASI CHART. USAGE IS VITAL AND THAT IS WHY I TRIED TO COIN A NEW TERM FOR THIS PURPOSE ELSE WHEN WE STUDY BRIGHU EVERYTHING WILL GO HAYWARE.YOUR KETH-AMSA IS 2ND OF THE 9D.( SAG) RATH: KETHVAMSA MEANS THE NAVAMSA OF KETU. HOWEVER IF THE SLOKA SAYS SUN TRANSITS KETVAMSA, THEN THE REFERENCE IS TO THE TRANSIT OF THE SUN IN THE NAVAMSA OF THE RASI SIGN OCCUPIED BY KETU. HERE KETU IS IN SAGITTARIUS AND NAVAMSA CHART IS NOT USED. IN GOCHAR THE SUN WILL TRANSIT SAY ARIES 29 DEG. THEN THE SUN WILL BE, IN TRANSIT IN ARIES RASI SAGITTARIUS NAVAMSA. THEN IT IS SAID TO TRANSIT KETVAMSA.THIS IS THE WAY BRIGHU HAS USED THE TERMS AND SO HAS JAIMINI. THUS, KETVAMSA CAN REFER TO 1. THE NAVAMSA SIGN OCCUPIED BY KETU 2. THE SIGN IN THE NAVAMSA CHART OCCUPIED BY KETU IN THE RASI CHART. WHERE KN RAO HAS GONE WRONG IS THE DIFFERENT WORD "AMSA-KA". LIKE LAGNAMSAKA. FOR EXAMPLE, MY HOROSCOPE LAGNA IS PISCES AND NAVAMSA LAGNA IS SCORPIO. THEN THE SIGN SCORPIO IN THE RASI CHART IS LAGNAMSAKA. THIS IS USED IN LAGNAMSAKA DASA...LET THIS BE (NO QUESTIONS ON THIS DASA PLEASE). NOW SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN KN RAO & ME: FOR HIM THE "KARAKAMSAKA" IS KARAKAMSA, WHICH IS WRONG. Best WishesSanjay Rath YOUR GURAMSA IS 5TH OF THE 9D (PISC)YOUR SURYAMSA IS 9TH OF THE 9D (CAN)YOUR (LAGNAMSA) IS 5TH FROM 9D (PISC) ???You say,*LAGNAMSA IS THE NAVAMSA OF LAGNA* AND *KARAKAMSA IS THE NAVAMSA OF ATMAKARAKA.*If Karakamsa is the navamsa of AK, it is still Virgo isn't ?Could you write in this regard, a detail letter ? Can any one who properly understand this help me to clear this ? Hare Krishna,Your SishyaKaru RATH: AMSALAGNA AND LAGNAMSA ARE QUITE INTERCHANGABLE AND ONE HAS TO BE CAREFUL IN READING. THIS IS THE MISTAKE KN RAO MADE IN THE INTERPRETATION OF THE WORD KARAKAMSA WHERE HE FEELS THAT THIS IS THE RASI SIGN OCCUPIED BY THE AK IN THE NAVAMSA. LAGNAMSA IS THE NAVAMSA OF LAGNA AND KARAKAMSA IS THE NAVAMSA OF ATMAKARAKA. IN FACT THE EXACT TERM SHOULD BE ATMAKARAKAMSA TO DIFFERENTIATE IT FROM THE OTHER KARAKA. VERY OFTEN YOU FIND THE WORD "AMSA" BEING USED AND ONE HAS TO BE VERY CAREFUL AS THIS IS GENERALLY NAVAMSA, BUT COULD BE DIFFERENT IN A SPECIFIC CONTEXT. I TRIED TO FINALISE A TERMINOLOGY BUT THE DIFFERENT WAYS OF USING SANSKRIT WORDS MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2000 Report Share Posted April 29, 2000 Jaya Jaya Jagannatha, Namasthe Gurudeva Sanjay, IN YOUR CASE SATURN IS THE AK AND SATURN IN THE VIRGO IN 9D. SO YOUR'S KARAKAMSA MUST BE VIRGO. RATH: OK ACCORDING TO THE PARAMPARA IT IS VIRGO IN THE NAVAMSA, BUT ACCORDING TO THE NEW RESEARCH OF KN RAO IT IS VIRGO IN THE RASI CHART. Karu; I was able to read Predicting through Karakamsa & Jaimini's Mandook dasa by Sri KNR. Now I undestood the differance between Karakamsa and Karakamsaka , Lagnamsa and Lagnamsaka. Now I know where the misunderstanding and preoblems were. YOUR KETH-AMSA IS 2ND OF THE 9D.( SAG) RATH: KETHVAMSA MEANS THE NAVAMSA OF KETU. HOWEVER IF THE SLOKA SAYS SUN TRANSITS KETVAMSA, THEN THE REFERENCE IS TO THE TRANSIT OF THE SUN IN THE NAVAMSA OF THE RASI SIGN OCCUPIED BY KETU. HERE KETU IS IN SAGITTARIUS AND NAVAMSA CHART IS NOT USED. IN GOCHAR THE SUN WILL TRANSIT SAY ARIES 29 DEG. THEN THE SUN WILL BE, IN TRANSIT IN ARIES RASI SAGITTARIUS NAVAMSA. THEN IT IS SAID TO TRANSIT KETVAMSA.THIS IS THE WAY BRIGHU HAS USED THE TERMS AND SO HAS JAIMINI. THUS, KETVAMSA CAN REFER TO 1. THE NAVAMSA SIGN OCCUPIED BY KETU 2. THE SIGN IN THE NAVAMSA CHART OCCUPIED BY KETU IN THE RASI CHART. If you remember few months back, I told you that I am doing a research for timing events through Vimsottari dasa lord. I had a feeling the transits must be checked in varga chart, according to the above way. For example at the movement Sun transits over Aries, 12th from your lagna / 6th from your D9. But actually I was compelled to think other way. Say Sun is in 29 deg of Aries which is Sag. navamsa, it is passing through 2nd of your D9.; Capricorn in D 10.; Pisces of D 12 etc. This can be wrong, but I was able to find some good resuls in this way. I took MD lord, and find which dasamsa he is transiting, and what relationship having with D 10 lord or/ and 10th lord of D10 ( 10th is always as Karyasiddhi) etc. This was clearly showed me time range,loss of Jobs and Start new Jobs etc. I have kept this away for few reasons. This is not the time to continue it. Also I knew this is not a new method. By now I know there is close techniques using in Bringu. Hare Krishna Yours- Sishya Karu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2000 Report Share Posted May 3, 2000 Dear Karu, Jaya Jagannath Gajakesari is more like " Good wealth Yoga " . I am poor at wealth accumulation. In my chart the navamsa gets into the picture and some Dharma is involved. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - Karu <heen <varahamihira (AT) eGroups (DOT) com> Monday, April 24, 2000 7:05 AM [Jagannath] Re: [gjlist] Marriage > > > Rath: Just a small addition on what Raghu has already stated: That > Moon-Jupiter scene is what is the real life effect of Gajakesari. > Check your own Moon signs and you will find that people with Jupiter > in this sign in their own birth charts are the ones who have been > most beneficial for you. They are like Vishnu for you. Ideally, the > Jupiter in the male chart and Moon in the female chart should be in > the same sign. This also indicates that when people come together, > ther is some kind of an intermingling of their aura or charts. People > having Natal Rahu in your Natal Moon sign shall cause you some sorrow > or hurt..and so on. Thus, it will be easy to determine a birth date > range for looking for a good spouse. > > This principle can also be extended to the Navamsa in a chart. > This is a part of Brighu's & Jaimini teachings. For example if a > planet is in a sign (A), then any other planet placed in Navamsa (A) > or transiting Navamsa (A) shall be influenced by it. > > > Jaya Jaya Jagannatha > Dear Gurudeva Sanjay, > > If so, can we say you have a kin to Gajakeshvari in same manner, being > Jupiter in > Aquaries in 9D where Moon in 1D ? > > Hare Krishna > Your Sishya > > Karu > > > > > ------ > Your high school sweetheart-where is he now? With 4.4 million alumni > already registered at Classmates.com, there's a good chance you'll > find her here. Visit your online high school class reunion at: > http://click./1/3139/4/_/2192/_/956540293/ > ------ > > HARE RAMA KRISHNA > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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