Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Dear Members,I am trying to rectify my D-24 however unable to reach a concrete answer, can you please advise.Data : 06:10 AM, 25-11-1974, Jaipur Rajasthan IndiaNow with this data the D-24 lagna is Gemini, however if the birth time is 20 seconds late the lagna changes to Cancer.Currently the only event I have is entrance to Engineering around June 1993, it was electronics and communications. Graduated out in May 1997.Also a very ordinary student during the school days, the intial years were particularly very bad academicallyThanks,Ashish 1 of 1 File(s) AM.jhd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 Dear Ashish ji Since you have mentioned you have completed your engg in 4 yrs and if not gone for further education you can consider cancer as your lagna Regards Swapnil , Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008 wrote: > > Dear Members, > > I am trying to rectify my D-24 however unable to reach a concrete answer, can you please advise. > > Data : 06:10 AM, 25-11-1974, Jaipur Rajasthan India > > Now with this data the D-24 lagna is Gemini, however if the birth time is 20 seconds late the lagna changes to Cancer. > > Currently the only event I have is entrance to Engineering around June 1993, it was electronics and communications. Graduated out in May 1997. > > Also a very ordinary student during the school days, the intial years were particularly very bad academically > > Thanks, > > Ashish > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Maja, The procedure you are using is fine however it can't be used in isolation. One must take into account above all the Lagnesh as well as the chart as a whole, the progression from the primary learning to the higher etc. I always look at the house and the planets occupying, if none - then the lord, who is the controller of the house - then the aspects. First lets look at some known charts - Bill Gates for example. D24 Lagna is Meena with the nodes occupying. Jupiter is in the 9th house in Scorpio. You could say law right? This is what his parents wanted him to study. The nodes dominated as they are on lagna and he enrolled to study computer science. Besides Jupiter is a maraka to higher learning and he did not complete any degree, instead he went on to start something called 'microsoft' (?). Regards, Michal , Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Michal, namaste > > If you insist that Sy/Ra parivartana would do absolutely no harm to higher education, then all is perfectly fine. Sy/Ra combination indicates Electronics and communication... I am a little bit skeptic on this. This parivartana has strongest influence on 9th bhava among all factors. Ketu is not included, as it has no influence on 9th bhava (no rasi, and of course, no graha dristi). There is Ma/Bu rasi dristi, but as one Graha (Sy) is already occupying 9th bhava, this can only add to the flavor, I don't believe it can completely alter Sy/Ra. > > When I wanted to learn how to use D24, I was told to search for strongest influence on 9th Bhava in following order: 1. graha occupying 9th; 2. If empty, then check for rasi dristis and decide strongest Graha among these, 3. If there are no rasi dristis, decide strongest Graha dristi, 4. If all previously mentioned is not present, check lord of 9th bhava. > > Is something wrong with this order? > Try to follow it on this chart and tell me what this native had studied: > > 28th of September 1966 > 02:15:30 AM > Belgrade, Serbia (20 E 30; 44 N 50), Time zone 01h East of GMT > > Siddhamsha lagna is Tula... So shoot It is easy. > > Warm Regards, > Maja Strbac > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, nearmichal <nearmichal > wrote: > > nearmichal <nearmichal > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > Monday, November 9, 2009, 12:04 PM >  > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > Dear Maja, Ashish, and all, > > > > Of the 3 options of Taurus, Gemini, and Cancer for siddhamsa lagna - Gemini seems to support the higher education. Both Cancer and Taurus have a very strong influence of Moon and Venus conjoining in Taurus, whereas for Gemini the lagnesh conjoins Mars in Aries which will definitely give an engineering brain. Primary education was not satisfactory as 4th lord is in the 8th from 4th, but then subsequently this combination aspects the 9th house by rasi drsti showing that he would eventually do well in his higher studies. The parivartana occurring in the 9th house is bringing the nodal influence to the house of higher learning which certainly indicates electronics. > > > > If we initiate D24 Narayana Dasa from the 4th lord of rasi chart then Aries dasa (8th from 4th) is running for the duration of his primary education. Then, from 1993 Taurus dasa which is 4th from the 9th house with planets in digbala showing success in higher studies. > > > > If we take this to be correct then Dwadasamsa has to stay as Kanya lagna. 4th house is Dhanus showing mother to be very direct and outspoken. Jupiter, the lord, goes to the 9th from the 4th showing that she will have a strong independent spirit. > > > > Warm regards, > > Michal > > > > , Maja Ã…Â trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Dear Ashish, namaste > > > > > > Oh, different Jaipur. > > > > > > With Jaipur I was taking in consideration 4min was not much of a change to get to Simha lagna in D24... which supports studies you took because of Mangal and Budh in 9th bhava and rasi dristi of Grahas in Simha, but yes, in that case we do have to move lagna to Vrishchika.. . Pause button please and lets go back to options for Tula lagna for a moment. > > > > > > Few things I am sure of regarding your D24: > > > > > > -Lagna is not Karka, because with retrograde Sani in Meena you could never study Electronics and communication. > > > -It can not be Mithuna. As I said before, parivartana would result in dropping out of studies sooner or later, and I am sure there would be financial hardships through out studies. > > > -Vrishab lagna... even though high ideals related to studies would be present considering strong placements on lagna, with those nodes n 4th bhava (in parivartana) you would hardly graduate from high school. This is not option. > > > > > > Mesh or Simha lagna... shall we flip a coin? No... Instead I will ask you one question privately related to Tula lagna option for your rasi chart. After that we can continue with other events in your life. > > > > > > As far as conditional dasas, I can not agree more with you for using Vimsottari Dasa before we rectify your chart. It is universal and if this dasa is not supporting events, Udu Dasas are not of much use. I always use Vimsottari first for everything. > > > > > > Controlling Graha and excluded Graha from dasa scheme in conditional dasas can match (for example: in Ashtotari-Ketu, Dwadasottari- Sukra), but this is not the case with Dwisaptati Sama Dasa, where controlling Graha is Chandra and excluded Graha is Ketu. > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ ...> > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 [1 Attachment] > > > > > > Monday, November 9, 2009, 5:18 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Attachment( s) from Ashish Mathur included below] > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > I think you are taking some incorrect Jaipur city, with the time 6:10 the lagna is in Tula only, attached is the chart.With this data the Rasi Lagna is Libra, Navamsa is Gemini and D-24 is Gemini.Now in order to shift the D-24 lagna to Leo somehow I need to change the time to 6:22:10 which changes the lagna rasi to scorpio. > > > Also is the cotrolling graha for Dwisaptati is not Ketu ? However this is also in 8th from AK so might not be the best choice. I think I will try to analyse all the events in my life with Vimasottari dasa only and come back with all the clarifications and results. > > > No financial difficulties during/ before/ after studies. > > > Rafal has also sent > > > some good points to start with and I will try to complete some analysis tonight and come back with some analysis ( with my limited understanding :-) ) > > > In the meanwhile here are some events in life which i intend to use for rectification. > > > 1. Entry to Engineering ( Electronics and Comm. ) : May 1993 2. Graduation : April - May 19973. Job Start in Mobile engg technology : May 19974. Untimely Death of father : 21-Nov-19985. Marriage : 29-Nov-19996. Job change : May 20007. Moving Abroad to UK : 3 DEc 20008. Birth of SOn : 11-June - 20019. Job Change : 3 - Jan - 2005 10. Birth of daughter : 05-march-200711. Job Change : 30- June - 2008 > > > Regards, > > > Ashish > > >      November 25, > > > 1974Time:     > > >  6:10:00Time Zone:   5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place:     75 E 49' 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 "         Jaipur, IndiaAltitude:    0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo:  Ananda - KarthikaTithi:     Sukla Ekadasi (Ma) (65.35% left)Vedic Weekday: Sunday (Su)Nakshatra:   Uttarabhadra (Sa) (27.41% left)Yoga:      Siddhi (Ma) (86.00% left)Karana:     Vanija (Ve) (30.70% left)Hora Lord:   Mercury (5 min sign: Le)Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Aq)Kaala Lord:   Mercury (Mahakala: Moon)Sunrise:    6:56:53 (November 24)Sunset:     17:29:31 (November 24)Janma > > > Ghatis:  58.0465Ayanamsa:    23-30-23.35Sidereal Time: 9:57:36Body         Longitude     Nakshatra Pada Rasi > > > NavamsaLagna        28 Li 38' 18.78 " Visa    3   Li  GeSun - DK       8 Sc 51' 16.23 " Anu    2   Sc  ViMoon - PK      13 Pi 00' 45.58 " UBha    3   Pi  LiMars - AK      25 Li 25' 19.49 " Visa    2   Li  TaMercury - AmK    25 Li 15' 29.70 " Visa    2   Li  TaJupiter - MK     15 Aq 15' 29.08 " Sata    3   Aq  AqVenus - PiK     13 Sc 26' 53.40 " Anu    4   Sc  ScSaturn ® > - BK   24 Ge 50' 49.00 " Puna    2 > > >   Ge  TaRahu - GK      17 Sc 02' 35.91 " Jye    1   Sc  SgKetu         17 Ta 02' 35.91 " Rohi    3   Ta  Ge > > > > > > Maja Ã…Â trbac <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > > > Mon, 9 November, 2009 12:32:33 > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Dear Ashish, namaste > > > > > > Let's try this again: you are born on 25th of November 1974, you gave 06:10 AM as time of your birth, and it was in Jaipur. With these birth data I get 15 degrees of Vrishchika as your lagna in Rasi (D1) chart. I am using Jagannatha Hora software. Lagna is vargotama (meaning Navamsa (D9) is same as natal lagna). > > > > > > If I move your D24 lagna from Karka to Simha, I get 06:14 AM as your time of birth. It is impossible that D24 lagna shifts from Karka to Simha 15min later (06:25), because after dividing 30 degrees with 24 (which is procedure for D24 calculation) result is 1 degree and 15 > > > min (arc min, not time). Convert this result to actual time: 1 degree=approximatel y 4min so 1deg and 15 '=approximately 5min, meaning that D24 lagna shifts approximately every > > > 5min. > > > > > > Even in case of > > > Simha lagna in D24 (06:14 AM) Navamsa and Rasi lagna are still same (vargotama). > > > > > > Every conditional Dasa is having controlling Graha (something like " karaka Graha " ), usually the one which is excluded from Dasa scheme (like Ketu being excluded in case of Ashtotari Dasa). If ones chart is fulfilling criteria for applying more than one conditional dasa, in that case we must analyse placement of these controlling grahas from Atma Karaka in Rasi chart (there is list of priorities among conditional dasas, but placement of controlling graha must be taken in consideration) . Strongest placements from AK are respectively: kendra (1-4-7-10), panaphara (2-5-8-11) and apoklima (3-6-9-12). Controlling graha for Dwisaptati Sama Dasa is Chandra, which is in apoklima bhava from your AK. This is weak placement. > > > > > > Lagna is Vargotama (probably) and in sign of Sukra placement in Navamsa chart... These are conditions for 2 more conditional dasas. Do you have > > > " Vimsotari and Udu Dasa " book (around pg30) or should I continue with this story? > > > > > > P.S. Any significant financial difficulties during studies comparing to before and after studies? > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > wrote: > > > > > > Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > To: > > > > > > Monday, November 9, 2009, 2:11 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > If I change the lagna to Simha in D-24 the time need to shift by 15 mins and it also shifts by Natal Lagna from Libra to Scorpio and changes a whole lot of things. I have never considered scorpio lagna as a possibility and would really need to look from a totaly new perspecitve to see if this works. > > > The Moon is in 6th from AK Mars, does this have any bearing on using dwispatati dasa ? > > > If you can guide me further on rectification of my chart I will discuss all the events and hopefully we can explain all. > > > Regards, > > > Ashish > > > > > > Maja Ã…Â trbac <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > > > Sun, 8 November, 2009 16:01:49 > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Dear Ashish, namaste > > > > > > I don't think you should give advantage to Mithuna as lagna in your D24. There is parivartana including Surya and Rahu, 3rd is maraka for 9th, Rahu is eclipsing Surya and is inimical towards Guru, karaka for higher education, shortly: with this combination you would have to drop out of studies you started (and if being very lucky perhaps start some other type of studies). If this was not the case (1993 you were 19 years old, so probably not) I think lagna should not be Mithuna. Though Sani in Meena doesn't fit completely to type of studies you took (electronics and communication) ... so... how about Simha lagna? > > > Check your D24 there from. What do you think? > > > > > > Dwisaptati dasa-where is Chandra from your AK in Rasi chart? Shall we use some other conditional dasa? > > > > > > Warm > > > Regards, > > > Maja > > > > > > --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > wrote: > > > > > > Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 [1 Attachment] > > > > > > Sunday, November 8, 2009, 2:04 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swapnil, Thanks for looking however here is my problem. > > > I am using the dwisaptati sama dasa and in 1993 when I got entrance to engginering the dasa running was Moon - Rahu. Rahu is in parivartana with Sun, however with Cancer lagna, the sun is in 8th House, ie 12th to 9th and I can't see how this can give intorduction to bachelors education. Though here the finishing of bachelors is during the dasa of mars-merc which is in 10th house and can show the finish. > > > If we go with Gemini Lagna then for the 1993 event when I got entrance the moon is in 4th thus giving an argala and rahu is effectively in 9th only due to parivartana. With the finishing in 1997 I am a bit confised and not sure why Mars-Merc placed in 11th can end > > > the course, because they have an argala on Saturn which is 9th Lord ? > > > I am leaning more towards the Gemini but since I knowledge is limited so seek guidance from others. > > > Regards,Ashish > > > Swaps <gaonkarswapnil@ .co. in> > > > > > > Sat, 7 November, 2009 18:10:37 > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Since you have mentioned you have completed your engg in 4 yrs and if not gone for further education you can consider cancer as your lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Swapnil > > > > > > > > > > > > , Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to rectify my D-24 however unable to reach a concrete answer, can you please advise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data : 06:10 AM, 25-11-1974, Jaipur Rajasthan India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now with this data the D-24 lagna is Gemini, however if the birth time is 20 seconds late the lagna changes to Cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently the only event I have is entrance to Engineering around June 1993, it was electronics and communications. Graduated out in May 1997. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also a very ordinary student during the school days, the intial years were particularly very bad academically > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Maja, Thanks, I had to laugh, all these years and still... Regarding the chart - Yes I agree with you, aspect of the nodes on the 9th house is giving electronics. Why not the lord Mercury dominating? It is conjoined 10th lord so will not be able to support higher education. Then we have no option but to look at the aspects. Rahu has drsti on lagnesh as well as the 7th house of PhD. 9th lord itself is not well placed from Lagnesh. We can't forget that the D24 chart is a cosmos. It is just convienient that we have some simple rules to " easily " assess the main themes of the person's education. This illustrates the same point I was making with Bill Gates chart. There are many factors to consider. Again in your chart 9th lord Mars is conjoined 10th lord Jupiter. The rasi drsti of Mercury then dominates. Whenever analysing we are always confronted with many options. But I find generally that people take the path of least resistance. People when choosing their higher education usually do what will be easiest for them, not what will be more challenging. Regards, Mike , Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear " Jackson " , namaste > > (This exclusive opportunity to speak with you I shall not use to ask questions about afterlife. Instead I would be pleased to read more about your impressions on tribute Madonna dedicated to you on her latest world tour. Did you like it?) > > Continuing in serious mode-I asked my question first (plus: ladies first ) > > Please, open that Siddhamsha I gave you and then answer why this native had studied Electronics and why he is having PhD title in this area? I am not buying it is due to Budha yuti Chandra in Kumbha and it is surely not due to lagnesh Sukra in Karka in 10th bhava. > > Then after I promise I will discuss further on Bill Gates Siddhamsha. > > P.S. If I apply these rules you wrote bellow, with Meena lagna in my D24 I should have studied engineering (Mangal as stronger co lord of 9th with Graha dristi on own rasi, yuti lagnesh Guru in Simha... WOW! But...you do remember that twisted story about my higher education? 2 years there, 2 years here, 2 years this, 2 years that... none of this was engineering > > Warm Regards, > Maja Strbac > > --- On Tue, 11/10/09, nearmichal <nearmichal wrote: > > nearmichal <nearmichal > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 11:28 AM >  > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > The procedure you are using is fine however it can't be used in isolation. One must take into account above all the Lagnesh as well as the chart as a whole, the progression from the primary learning to the higher etc. I always look at the house and the planets occupying, if none - then the lord, who is the controller of the house - then the aspects. > > > > First lets look at some known charts - Bill Gates for example. D24 Lagna is Meena with the nodes occupying. Jupiter is in the 9th house in Scorpio. You could say law right? This is what his parents wanted him to study. The nodes dominated as they are on lagna and he enrolled to study computer science. Besides Jupiter is a maraka to higher learning and he did not complete any degree, instead he went on to start something called 'microsoft' (?). > > > > Regards, > > Michal > > > > , Maja Ã…Â trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Dear Michal, namaste > > > > > > If you insist that Sy/Ra parivartana would do absolutely no harm to higher education, then all is perfectly fine. Sy/Ra combination indicates Electronics and communication. .. I am a little bit skeptic on this. This parivartana has strongest influence on 9th bhava among all factors. Ketu is not included, as it has no influence on 9th bhava (no rasi, and of course, no graha dristi). There is Ma/Bu rasi dristi, but as one Graha (Sy) is already occupying 9th bhava, this can only add to the flavor, I don't believe it can completely alter Sy/Ra. > > > > > > When I wanted to learn how to use D24, I was told to search for strongest influence on 9th Bhava in following order: 1. graha occupying 9th; 2. If empty, then check for rasi dristis and decide strongest Graha among these, 3. If there are no rasi dristis, decide strongest Graha dristi, 4. If all previously mentioned is not present, check lord of 9th bhava. > > > > > > Is something wrong with this order? > > > Try to follow it on this chart and tell me what this native had studied: > > > > > > 28th of September 1966 > > > 02:15:30 AM > > > Belgrade, Serbia (20 E 30; 44 N 50), Time zone 01h East of GMT > > > > > > Siddhamsha lagna is Tula... So shoot It is easy. > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, nearmichal <nearmichal@ ...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > nearmichal <nearmichal@ ...> > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > Monday, November 9, 2009, 12:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, Ashish, and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > Of the 3 options of Taurus, Gemini, and Cancer for siddhamsa lagna - Gemini seems to support the higher education. Both Cancer and Taurus have a very strong influence of Moon and Venus conjoining in Taurus, whereas for Gemini the lagnesh conjoins Mars in Aries which will definitely give an engineering brain. Primary education was not satisfactory as 4th lord is in the 8th from 4th, but then subsequently this combination aspects the 9th house by rasi drsti showing that he would eventually do well in his higher studies. The parivartana occurring in the 9th house is bringing the nodal influence to the house of higher learning which certainly indicates electronics. > > > > > > > > > > > > If we initiate D24 Narayana Dasa from the 4th lord of rasi chart then Aries dasa (8th from 4th) is running for the duration of his primary education. Then, from 1993 Taurus dasa which is 4th from the 9th house with planets in digbala showing success in higher studies. > > > > > > > > > > > > If we take this to be correct then Dwadasamsa has to stay as Kanya lagna. 4th house is Dhanus showing mother to be very direct and outspoken. Jupiter, the lord, goes to the 9th from the 4th showing that she will have a strong independent spirit. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > , Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, different Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Jaipur I was taking in consideration 4min was not much of a change to get to Simha lagna in D24... which supports studies you took because of Mangal and Budh in 9th bhava and rasi dristi of Grahas in Simha, but yes, in that case we do have to move lagna to Vrishchika.. . Pause button please and lets go back to options for Tula lagna for a moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Few things I am sure of regarding your D24: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lagna is not Karka, because with retrograde Sani in Meena you could never study Electronics and communication. > > > > > > > -It can not be Mithuna. As I said before, parivartana would result in dropping out of studies sooner or later, and I am sure there would be financial hardships through out studies. > > > > > > > -Vrishab lagna... even though high ideals related to studies would be present considering strong placements on lagna, with those nodes n 4th bhava (in parivartana) you would hardly graduate from high school. This is not option. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesh or Simha lagna... shall we flip a coin? No... Instead I will ask you one question privately related to Tula lagna option for your rasi chart. After that we can continue with other events in your life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as conditional dasas, I can not agree more with you for using Vimsottari Dasa before we rectify your chart. It is universal and if this dasa is not supporting events, Udu Dasas are not of much use. I always use Vimsottari first for everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Controlling Graha and excluded Graha from dasa scheme in conditional dasas can match (for example: in Ashtotari-Ketu, Dwadasottari- Sukra), but this is not the case with Dwisaptati Sama Dasa, where controlling Graha is Chandra and excluded Graha is Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ ...> > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 [1 Attachment] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 9, 2009, 5:18 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Attachment( s) from Ashish Mathur included below] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > > I think you are taking some incorrect Jaipur city, with the time 6:10 the lagna is in Tula only, attached is the chart.With this data the Rasi Lagna is Libra, Navamsa is Gemini and D-24 is Gemini.Now in order to shift the D-24 lagna to Leo somehow I need to change the time to 6:22:10 which changes the lagna rasi to scorpio. > > > > > > > Also is the cotrolling graha for Dwisaptati is not Ketu ? However this is also in 8th from AK so might not be the best choice. I think I will try to analyse all the events in my life with Vimasottari dasa only and come back with all the clarifications and results. > > > > > > > No financial difficulties during/ before/ after studies. > > > > > > > Rafal has also sent > > > > > > > some good points to start with and I will try to complete some analysis tonight and come back with some analysis ( with my limited understanding :-) ) > > > > > > > In the meanwhile here are some events in life which i intend to use for rectification. > > > > > > > 1. Entry to Engineering ( Electronics and Comm. ) : May 1993 2. Graduation : April - May 19973. Job Start in Mobile engg technology : May 19974. Untimely Death of father : 21-Nov-19985. Marriage : 29-Nov-19996. Job change : May 20007. Moving Abroad to UK : 3 DEc 20008. Birth of SOn : 11-June - 20019. Job Change : 3 - Jan - 2005 10. Birth of daughter : 05-march-200711. Job Change : 30- June - 2008 > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Ashish > > > > > > >      November 25, > > > > > > > 1974Time:     > > > > > > >  6:10:00Time Zone:   5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place:     75 E 49' 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 "         Jaipur, IndiaAltitude:    0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo:  Ananda - KarthikaTithi:     Sukla Ekadasi (Ma) (65.35% left)Vedic Weekday: Sunday (Su)Nakshatra:   Uttarabhadra (Sa) (27.41% left)Yoga:      Siddhi (Ma) (86.00% left)Karana:     Vanija (Ve) (30.70% left)Hora Lord:   Mercury (5 min sign: Le)Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Aq)Kaala Lord:   Mercury (Mahakala: Moon)Sunrise:    6:56:53 (November 24)Sunset:     17:29:31 (November 24)Janma > > > > > > > Ghatis:  58.0465Ayanamsa:    23-30-23.35Sidereal Time: 9:57:36Body         Longitude     Nakshatra Pada Rasi > > > > > > > NavamsaLagna        28 Li 38' 18.78 " Visa    3   Li  GeSun - DK       8 Sc 51' 16.23 " Anu    2   Sc  ViMoon - PK      13 Pi 00' 45.58 " UBha    3   Pi  LiMars - AK      25 Li 25' 19.49 " Visa    2   Li  TaMercury - AmK    25 Li 15' 29.70 " Visa    2   Li  TaJupiter - MK     15 Aq 15' 29.08 " Sata    3   Aq  AqVenus - PiK     13 Sc 26' 53.40 " Anu >    4   Sc  ScSaturn ® > > > - BK   24 Ge 50' 49.00 " Puna    2 > > > > > > >   Ge  TaRahu - GK      17 Sc 02' 35.91 " Jye    1   Sc  SgKetu         17 Ta 02' 35.91 " Rohi    3   Ta  Ge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 9 November, 2009 12:32:33 > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's try this again: you are born on 25th of November 1974, you gave 06:10 AM as time of your birth, and it was in Jaipur. With these birth data I get 15 degrees of Vrishchika as your lagna in Rasi (D1) chart. I am using Jagannatha Hora software. Lagna is vargotama (meaning Navamsa (D9) is same as natal lagna). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I move your D24 lagna from Karka to Simha, I get 06:14 AM as your time of birth. It is impossible that D24 lagna shifts from Karka to Simha 15min later (06:25), because after dividing 30 degrees with 24 (which is procedure for D24 calculation) result is 1 degree and 15 > > > > > > > min (arc min, not time). Convert this result to actual time: 1 degree=approximatel y 4min so 1deg and 15 '=approximately 5min, meaning that D24 lagna shifts approximately every > > > > > > > 5min. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even in case of > > > > > > > Simha lagna in D24 (06:14 AM) Navamsa and Rasi lagna are still same (vargotama). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every conditional Dasa is having controlling Graha (something like " karaka Graha " ), usually the one which is excluded from Dasa scheme (like Ketu being excluded in case of Ashtotari Dasa). If ones chart is fulfilling criteria for applying more than one conditional dasa, in that case we must analyse placement of these controlling grahas from Atma Karaka in Rasi chart (there is list of priorities among conditional dasas, but placement of controlling graha must be taken in consideration) . Strongest placements from AK are respectively: kendra (1-4-7-10), panaphara (2-5-8-11) and apoklima (3-6-9-12). Controlling graha for Dwisaptati Sama Dasa is Chandra, which is in apoklima bhava from your AK. This is weak placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna is Vargotama (probably) and in sign of Sukra placement in Navamsa chart... These are conditions for 2 more conditional dasas. Do you have > > > > > > > " Vimsotari and Udu Dasa " book (around pg30) or should I continue with this story? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Any significant financial difficulties during studies comparing to before and after studies? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 9, 2009, 2:11 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > > If I change the lagna to Simha in D-24 the time need to shift by 15 mins and it also shifts by Natal Lagna from Libra to Scorpio and changes a whole lot of things. I have never considered scorpio lagna as a possibility and would really need to look from a totaly new perspecitve to see if this works. > > > > > > > The Moon is in 6th from AK Mars, does this have any bearing on using dwispatati dasa ? > > > > > > > If you can guide me further on rectification of my chart I will discuss all the events and hopefully we can explain all. > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Ashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, 8 November, 2009 16:01:49 > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think you should give advantage to Mithuna as lagna in your D24. There is parivartana including Surya and Rahu, 3rd is maraka for 9th, Rahu is eclipsing Surya and is inimical towards Guru, karaka for higher education, shortly: with this combination you would have to drop out of studies you started (and if being very lucky perhaps start some other type of studies). If this was not the case (1993 you were 19 years old, so probably not) I think lagna should not be Mithuna. Though Sani in Meena doesn't fit completely to type of studies you took (electronics and communication) ... so... how about Simha lagna? > > > > > > > Check your D24 there from. What do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dwisaptati dasa-where is Chandra from your AK in Rasi chart? Shall we use some other conditional dasa? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 [1 Attachment] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, November 8, 2009, 2:04 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swapnil, Thanks for looking however here is my problem. > > > > > > > I am using the dwisaptati sama dasa and in 1993 when I got entrance to engginering the dasa running was Moon - Rahu. Rahu is in parivartana with Sun, however with Cancer lagna, the sun is in 8th House, ie 12th to 9th and I can't see how this can give intorduction to bachelors education. Though here the finishing of bachelors is during the dasa of mars-merc which is in 10th house and can show the finish. > > > > > > > If we go with Gemini Lagna then for the 1993 event when I got entrance the moon is in 4th thus giving an argala and rahu is effectively in 9th only due to parivartana. With the finishing in 1997 I am a bit confised and not sure why Mars-Merc placed in 11th can end > > > > > > > the course, because they have an argala on Saturn which is 9th Lord ? > > > > > > > I am leaning more towards the Gemini but since I knowledge is limited so seek guidance from others. > > > > > > > Regards,Ashish > > > > > > > Swaps <gaonkarswapnil@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 7 November, 2009 18:10:37 > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since you have mentioned you have completed your engg in 4 yrs and if not gone for further education you can consider cancer as your lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swapnil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to rectify my D-24 however unable to reach a concrete answer, can you please advise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data : 06:10 AM, 25-11-1974, Jaipur Rajasthan India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now with this data the D-24 lagna is Gemini, however if the birth time is 20 seconds late the lagna changes to Cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently the only event I have is entrance to Engineering around June 1993, it was electronics and communications. Graduated out in May 1997. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also a very ordinary student during the school days, the intial years were particularly very bad academically > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Raphael, I don't know, its just what came up when I pressed the button. I would love you to share your thoughts though... Regards, Michal , RafaÅ‚ Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > Dear Michael, > > Out of curiosity: how you know its Meena the Lagna in Siddhams for Bill > Gates? > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > SJC Jyotish Guru > -------------- > /*Consultations & Pages* > http://rohinaa.com > rafal > starsuponme / > > > nearmichal pisze: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > The procedure you are using is fine however it can't be used in > > isolation. One must take into account above all the Lagnesh as well as > > the chart as a whole, the progression from the primary learning to the > > higher etc. I always look at the house and the planets occupying, if > > none - then the lord, who is the controller of the house - then the > > aspects. > > > > First lets look at some known charts - Bill Gates for example. D24 > > Lagna is Meena with the nodes occupying. Jupiter is in the 9th house > > in Scorpio. You could say law right? This is what his parents wanted > > him to study. The nodes dominated as they are on lagna and he enrolled > > to study computer science. Besides Jupiter is a maraka to higher > > learning and he did not complete any degree, instead he went on to > > start something called 'microsoft' (?). > > > > Regards, > > Michal > > > > > > <%40>, Maja Ã… trbac > > <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Dear Michal, namaste > > > > > > If you insist that Sy/Ra parivartana would do absolutely no harm to > > higher education, then all is perfectly fine. Sy/Ra combination > > indicates Electronics and communication. .. I am a little bit skeptic > > on this. This parivartana has strongest influence on 9th bhava among > > all factors. Ketu is not included, as it has no influence on 9th bhava > > (no rasi, and of course, no graha dristi). There is Ma/Bu rasi dristi, > > but as one Graha (Sy) is already occupying 9th bhava, this can only > > add to the flavor, I don't believe it can completely alter Sy/Ra. > > > > > > When I wanted to learn how to use D24, I was told to search for > > strongest influence on 9th Bhava in following order: 1. graha > > occupying 9th; 2. If empty, then check for rasi dristis and decide > > strongest Graha among these, 3. If there are no rasi dristis, decide > > strongest Graha dristi, 4. If all previously mentioned is not present, > > check lord of 9th bhava. > > > > > > Is something wrong with this order? > > > Try to follow it on this chart and tell me what this native had studied: > > > > > > 28th of September 1966 > > > 02:15:30 AM > > > Belgrade, Serbia (20 E 30; 44 N 50), Time zone 01h East of GMT > > > > > > Siddhamsha lagna is Tula... So shoot It is easy. > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, nearmichal <nearmichal@ ...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > nearmichal <nearmichal@ ...> > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > <%40> > > > Monday, November 9, 2009, 12:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, Ashish, and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > Of the 3 options of Taurus, Gemini, and Cancer for siddhamsa lagna - > > Gemini seems to support the higher education. Both Cancer and Taurus > > have a very strong influence of Moon and Venus conjoining in Taurus, > > whereas for Gemini the lagnesh conjoins Mars in Aries which will > > definitely give an engineering brain. Primary education was not > > satisfactory as 4th lord is in the 8th from 4th, but then subsequently > > this combination aspects the 9th house by rasi drsti showing that he > > would eventually do well in his higher studies. The parivartana > > occurring in the 9th house is bringing the nodal influence to the > > house of higher learning which certainly indicates electronics. > > > > > > > > > > > > If we initiate D24 Narayana Dasa from the 4th lord of rasi chart > > then Aries dasa (8th from 4th) is running for the duration of his > > primary education. Then, from 1993 Taurus dasa which is 4th from the > > 9th house with planets in digbala showing success in higher studies. > > > > > > > > > > > > If we take this to be correct then Dwadasamsa has to stay as Kanya > > lagna. 4th house is Dhanus showing mother to be very direct and > > outspoken. Jupiter, the lord, goes to the 9th from the 4th showing > > that she will have a strong independent spirit. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > , Maja Ã…Â trbac > > <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, different Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Jaipur I was taking in consideration 4min was not much of a > > change to get to Simha lagna in D24... which supports studies you took > > because of Mangal and Budh in 9th bhava and rasi dristi of Grahas in > > Simha, but yes, in that case we do have to move lagna to Vrishchika.. > > . Pause button please and lets go back to options for Tula lagna for a > > moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Few things I am sure of regarding your D24: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lagna is not Karka, because with retrograde Sani in Meena you > > could never study Electronics and communication. > > > > > > > -It can not be Mithuna. As I said before, parivartana would result > > in dropping out of studies sooner or later, and I am sure there would > > be financial hardships through out studies. > > > > > > > -Vrishab lagna... even though high ideals related to studies would > > be present considering strong placements on lagna, with those nodes n > > 4th bhava (in parivartana) you would hardly graduate from high school. > > This is not option. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesh or Simha lagna... shall we flip a coin? No... Instead I will > > ask you one question privately related to Tula lagna option for your > > rasi chart. After that we can continue with other events in your life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as conditional dasas, I can not agree more with you for > > using Vimsottari Dasa before we rectify your chart. It is universal > > and if this dasa is not supporting events, Udu Dasas are not of much > > use. I always use Vimsottari first for everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Controlling Graha and excluded Graha from dasa scheme in > > conditional dasas can match (for example: in Ashtotari-Ketu, > > Dwadasottari- Sukra), but this is not the case with Dwisaptati Sama > > Dasa, where controlling Graha is Chandra and excluded Graha is Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ ...> > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 [1 Attachment] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 9, 2009, 5:18 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Attachment( s) from Ashish Mathur included below] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > > I think you are taking some incorrect Jaipur city, with the time > > 6:10 the lagna is in Tula only, attached is the chart.With this data > > the Rasi Lagna is Libra, Navamsa is Gemini and D-24 is Gemini.Now in > > order to shift the D-24 lagna to Leo somehow I need to change the time > > to 6:22:10 which changes the lagna rasi to scorpio. > > > > > > > Also is the cotrolling graha for Dwisaptati is not Ketu ? However > > this is also in 8th from AK so might not be the best choice. I > > think I will try to analyse all the events in my life with Vimasottari > > dasa only and come back with all the clarifications and results. > > > > > > > No financial difficulties during/ before/ after studies. > > > > > > > Rafal has also sent > > > > > > > some good points to start with and I will try to complete some > > analysis tonight and come back with some analysis ( with my limited > > understanding :-) ) > > > > > > > In the meanwhile here are some events in life which i intend to > > use for rectification. > > > > > > > 1. Entry to Engineering ( Electronics and Comm. ) : May 1993 2. > > Graduation : April - May 19973. Job Start in Mobile engg technology : > > May 19974. Untimely Death of father : 21-Nov-19985. Marriage : > > 29-Nov-19996. Job change : May 20007. Moving Abroad to UK : 3 DEc > > 20008. Birth of SOn : 11-June - 20019. Job Change : 3 - Jan - > > 2005 10. Birth of daughter : 05-march-200711. Job Change : 30- June > > - 2008 > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Ashish > > > > > > >      November 25, > > > > > > > 1974Time:     > > > > > > >  6:10:00Time Zone:   5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place:  > >    75 E 49' 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 "       > >   Jaipur, IndiaAltitude:    0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: > >  Ananda - KarthikaTithi:     Sukla Ekadasi (Ma) > > (65.35% left)Vedic Weekday: Sunday (Su)Nakshatra:   > > Uttarabhadra (Sa) (27.41% left)Yoga:      Siddhi > > (Ma) (86.00% left)Karana:     Vanija (Ve) (30.70% > > left)Hora Lord:   Mercury (5 min sign: Le)Mahakala Hora: > > Mercury (5 min sign: Aq)Kaala Lord:   Mercury (Mahakala: > > Moon)Sunrise:    6:56:53 (November 24)Sunset:   > >   17:29:31 (November 24)Janma > > > > > > > Ghatis:  58.0465Ayanamsa:    23-30-23.35Sidereal > > Time: 9:57:36Body         Longitude > >     Nakshatra Pada Rasi > > > > > > > NavamsaLagna        28 Li 38' 18.78 " > > Visa    3   Li  GeSun - DK     > >   8 Sc 51' 16.23 " Anu    2   Sc  ViMoon > > - PK      13 Pi 00' 45.58 " UBha    3 > >   Pi  LiMars - AK      25 Li 25' 19.49 " > > Visa    2   Li  TaMercury - AmK    > > 25 Li 15' 29.70 " Visa    2   Li  TaJupiter - MK > >     15 Aq 15' 29.08 " Sata    3   Aq > >  AqVenus - PiK     13 Sc 26' 53.40 " Anu   > >  4   Sc  ScSaturn ® > > > - BK   24 Ge 50' 49.00 " Puna    2 > > > > > > >   Ge  TaRahu - GK      17 Sc 02' > > 35.91 " Jye    1   Sc  SgKetu    > >      17 Ta 02' 35.91 " Rohi    3  > >  Ta  Ge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja Ã…Â trbac <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 9 November, 2009 12:32:33 > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's try this again: you are born on 25th of November 1974, you > > gave 06:10 AM as time of your birth, and it was in Jaipur. With these > > birth data I get 15 degrees of Vrishchika as your lagna in Rasi (D1) > > chart. I am using Jagannatha Hora software. Lagna is vargotama > > (meaning Navamsa (D9) is same as natal lagna). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I move your D24 lagna from Karka to Simha, I get 06:14 AM as > > your time of birth. It is impossible that D24 lagna shifts from Karka > > to Simha 15min later (06:25), because after dividing 30 degrees with > > 24 (which is procedure for D24 calculation) result is 1 degree and 15 > > > > > > > min (arc min, not time). Convert this result to actual time: 1 > > degree=approximatel y 4min so 1deg and 15 '=approximately 5min, > > meaning that D24 lagna shifts approximately every > > > > > > > 5min. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even in case of > > > > > > > Simha lagna in D24 (06:14 AM) Navamsa and Rasi lagna are still > > same (vargotama). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every conditional Dasa is having controlling Graha (something like > > " karaka Graha " ), usually the one which is excluded from Dasa scheme > > (like Ketu being excluded in case of Ashtotari Dasa). If ones chart is > > fulfilling criteria for applying more than one conditional dasa, in > > that case we must analyse placement of these controlling grahas from > > Atma Karaka in Rasi chart (there is list of priorities among > > conditional dasas, but placement of controlling graha must be taken in > > consideration) . Strongest placements from AK are respectively: kendra > > (1-4-7-10), panaphara (2-5-8-11) and apoklima (3-6-9-12). Controlling > > graha for Dwisaptati Sama Dasa is Chandra, which is in apoklima bhava > > from your AK. This is weak placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna is Vargotama (probably) and in sign of Sukra placement in > > Navamsa chart... These are conditions for 2 more conditional dasas. Do > > you have > > > > > > > " Vimsotari and Udu Dasa " book (around pg30) or should I continue > > with this story? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Any significant financial difficulties during studies > > comparing to before and after studies? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 9, 2009, 2:11 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > > If I change the lagna to Simha in D-24 the time need to shift by > > 15 mins and it also shifts by Natal Lagna from Libra to Scorpio and > > changes a whole lot of things. I have never considered scorpio lagna > > as a possibility and would really need to look from a totaly new > > perspecitve to see if this works. > > > > > > > The Moon is in 6th from AK Mars, does this have any bearing on > > using dwispatati dasa ? > > > > > > > If you can guide me further on rectification of my chart I will > > discuss all the events and hopefully we can explain all. > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Ashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja Ã…Â trbac <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, 8 November, 2009 16:01:49 > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think you should give advantage to Mithuna as lagna in > > your D24. There is parivartana including Surya and Rahu, 3rd is maraka > > for 9th, Rahu is eclipsing Surya and is inimical towards Guru, karaka > > for higher education, shortly: with this combination you would have to > > drop out of studies you started (and if being very lucky perhaps start > > some other type of studies). If this was not the case (1993 you were > > 19 years old, so probably not) I think lagna should not be Mithuna. > > Though Sani in Meena doesn't fit completely to type of studies you > > took (electronics and communication) ... so... how about Simha lagna? > > > > > > > Check your D24 there from. What do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dwisaptati dasa-where is Chandra from your AK in Rasi chart? Shall > > we use some other conditional dasa? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 [1 Attachment] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, November 8, 2009, 2:04 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swapnil, Thanks for looking however here is my problem. > > > > > > > I am using the dwisaptati sama dasa and in 1993 when I got > > entrance to engginering the dasa running was Moon - Rahu. Rahu is > > in parivartana with Sun, however with Cancer lagna, the sun is in 8th > > House, ie 12th to 9th and I can't see how this can give intorduction > > to bachelors education. Though here the finishing of bachelors is > > during the dasa of mars-merc which is in 10th house and can show the > > finish. > > > > > > > If we go with Gemini Lagna then for the 1993 event when I got > > entrance the moon is in 4th thus giving an argala and rahu is > > effectively in 9th only due to parivartana. With the finishing in 1997 > > I am a bit confised and not sure why Mars-Merc placed in 11th can end > > > > > > > the course, because they have an argala on Saturn which is 9th > > Lord ? > > > > > > > I am leaning more towards the Gemini but since I knowledge is > > limited so seek guidance from others. > > > > > > > Regards,Ashish > > > > > > > Swaps <gaonkarswapnil@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 7 November, 2009 18:10:37 > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since you have mentioned you have completed your engg in 4 yrs and > > if not gone for further education you can consider cancer as your lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swapnil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Ashish Mathur > > <ashishmathur1008@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to rectify my D-24 however unable to reach a > > concrete answer, can you please advise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data : 06:10 AM, 25-11-1974, Jaipur Rajasthan India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now with this data the D-24 lagna is Gemini, however if the > > birth time is 20 seconds late the lagna changes to Cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently the only event I have is entrance to Engineering > > around June 1993, it was electronics and communications. Graduated out > > in May 1997. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also a very ordinary student during the school days, the intial > > years were particularly very bad academically > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Rafal, Firstly thank you for the advice but I have a policy never to check other divisional charts when rectifying siddhamsa. Of course I'm joking. If you want to discuss Bill Gates or any of his divisions then I am ready to learn. I know you have more then just theoretical knowledge so please, give us some analysis, not just 'how to' analyze. It will be so helpful for learning. Warm regards, Michal , RafaÅ‚ Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > Dear Michael , > > > Note, that the charts which you pick up from the 'bank' can be > completely off the mark. For example Sanjayji uses completely other Rasi > Lagna for Pamela Anderson as there its in the bank made by Gauranga. So > be careful, most likely 95% of the vargas from the bank will need > rectification. > > I was just wondering why you are giving the argument from the > non-rectified chart. > > There are to methods two solve this issue - to depend only on Siddhamsa > and diving more into that varga, or assist with the other divisional > charts. In my reading experience I put the eight chart mode on the > screen write down all the details with timings, write the Vimshottari > dasa and correct the lagnas simultaneously starting normally with > -15/+15 forward backwards. After that I analyse all the vargas in > details and see if that fits the test of yogas. > > > Otherwise If I would stop on analysing one yoga from some varga and > wondering if that parivartana could break the studies or not, keeping in > mind that there are SO MANY things I dont know yet, then I can stuck > like that for one hour and can eat the table with frustration. > > > Its the same like with producing music, sometimes you can stuck on > tweaking some parameter and spend on it four hours to have some sound > perfect..after that you can be frustrated and your work will be undone. > > So my suggestion is to write down the possible Lagnas based on subject > studies, then mark the one which have more chances based on the timing > of studies, specific problems/blessings in the studies, level of marks, > one's attitude, level to which one want to rise academically and > spirituality (para vidya siddhamsa). > > Then go to Dasamsa and Dwadasamsa with the opened Siddhamsa in the same > time - tweak the Lagnas here and there and look at the timings+events > and ask yourself if that Lagna makes sense along with that, that and > that Lagnas too. In this way you will be sure you did the right job with > the whole chart, not only with one Varga which ultimately can be wrong > because you dont know one principle which can overriden compeltely your > analysis. Prasna marga has that one nice sloka - that even Brhaspati can > be wrong with the reading of the chart. The last two years of studying > Jyotish made me completely surprised about the chart reading as the new > principles were digested, so now i'm more humble and I always try to > assist myself with more vargas and more information. Even then we're not > 100% sure but I believe we will be closer. > > Then ask for the name, choose the Shastyamsa Lagna, do the mantra and > start the reading.// > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > SJC Jyotish Guru > -------------- > /*Consultations & Pages* > http://rohinaa.com > rafal > starsuponme / > > > nearmichal pisze: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > Dear Raphael, > > > > I don't know, its just what came up when I pressed the button. I would > > love you to share your thoughts though... > > > > Regards, > > Michal > > > > > > <%40>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz <starsuponme@ > > ...> wrote: > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > Dear Michael, > > > > > > Out of curiosity: how you know its Meena the Lagna in Siddhams for Bill > > > Gates? > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > ------------ -- > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> > > > rafal@ > > > starsuponme@ ... / > > > > > > > > > nearmichal pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > > > The procedure you are using is fine however it can't be used in > > > > isolation. One must take into account above all the Lagnesh as > > well as > > > > the chart as a whole, the progression from the primary learning to > > the > > > > higher etc. I always look at the house and the planets occupying, if > > > > none - then the lord, who is the controller of the house - then the > > > > aspects. > > > > > > > > First lets look at some known charts - Bill Gates for example. D24 > > > > Lagna is Meena with the nodes occupying. Jupiter is in the 9th house > > > > in Scorpio. You could say law right? This is what his parents wanted > > > > him to study. The nodes dominated as they are on lagna and he > > enrolled > > > > to study computer science. Besides Jupiter is a maraka to higher > > > > learning and he did not complete any degree, instead he went on to > > > > start something called 'microsoft' (?). > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Maja Ã… trbac > > > > <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > Dear Michal, namaste > > > > > > > > > > If you insist that Sy/Ra parivartana would do absolutely no harm to > > > > higher education, then all is perfectly fine. Sy/Ra combination > > > > indicates Electronics and communication. .. I am a little bit skeptic > > > > on this. This parivartana has strongest influence on 9th bhava among > > > > all factors. Ketu is not included, as it has no influence on 9th > > bhava > > > > (no rasi, and of course, no graha dristi). There is Ma/Bu rasi > > dristi, > > > > but as one Graha (Sy) is already occupying 9th bhava, this can only > > > > add to the flavor, I don't believe it can completely alter Sy/Ra. > > > > > > > > > > When I wanted to learn how to use D24, I was told to search for > > > > strongest influence on 9th Bhava in following order: 1. graha > > > > occupying 9th; 2. If empty, then check for rasi dristis and decide > > > > strongest Graha among these, 3. If there are no rasi dristis, decide > > > > strongest Graha dristi, 4. If all previously mentioned is not > > present, > > > > check lord of 9th bhava. > > > > > > > > > > Is something wrong with this order? > > > > > Try to follow it on this chart and tell me what this native had > > studied: > > > > > > > > > > 28th of September 1966 > > > > > 02:15:30 AM > > > > > Belgrade, Serbia (20 E 30; 44 N 50), Time zone 01h East of GMT > > > > > > > > > > Siddhamsha lagna is Tula... So shoot It is easy. > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, nearmichal <nearmichal@ ...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > nearmichal <nearmichal@ ...> > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com> > > > > > Monday, November 9, 2009, 12:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, Ashish, and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of the 3 options of Taurus, Gemini, and Cancer for siddhamsa > > lagna - > > > > Gemini seems to support the higher education. Both Cancer and Taurus > > > > have a very strong influence of Moon and Venus conjoining in Taurus, > > > > whereas for Gemini the lagnesh conjoins Mars in Aries which will > > > > definitely give an engineering brain. Primary education was not > > > > satisfactory as 4th lord is in the 8th from 4th, but then > > subsequently > > > > this combination aspects the 9th house by rasi drsti showing that he > > > > would eventually do well in his higher studies. The parivartana > > > > occurring in the 9th house is bringing the nodal influence to the > > > > house of higher learning which certainly indicates electronics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we initiate D24 Narayana Dasa from the 4th lord of rasi chart > > > > then Aries dasa (8th from 4th) is running for the duration of his > > > > primary education. Then, from 1993 Taurus dasa which is 4th from the > > > > 9th house with planets in digbala showing success in higher studies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we take this to be correct then Dwadasamsa has to stay as Kanya > > > > lagna. 4th house is Dhanus showing mother to be very direct and > > > > outspoken. Jupiter, the lord, goes to the 9th from the 4th showing > > > > that she will have a strong independent spirit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Maja ÃÆ'… trbac > > > > <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, different Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Jaipur I was taking in consideration 4min was not much of a > > > > change to get to Simha lagna in D24... which supports studies you > > took > > > > because of Mangal and Budh in 9th bhava and rasi dristi of Grahas in > > > > Simha, but yes, in that case we do have to move lagna to Vrishchika.. > > > > . Pause button please and lets go back to options for Tula lagna > > for a > > > > moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Few things I am sure of regarding your D24: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lagna is not Karka, because with retrograde Sani in Meena you > > > > could never study Electronics and communication. > > > > > > > > > > > -It can not be Mithuna. As I said before, parivartana would > > result > > > > in dropping out of studies sooner or later, and I am sure there would > > > > be financial hardships through out studies. > > > > > > > > > > > -Vrishab lagna... even though high ideals related to studies > > would > > > > be present considering strong placements on lagna, with those nodes n > > > > 4th bhava (in parivartana) you would hardly graduate from high > > school. > > > > This is not option. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesh or Simha lagna... shall we flip a coin? No... Instead I will > > > > ask you one question privately related to Tula lagna option for your > > > > rasi chart. After that we can continue with other events in your life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as conditional dasas, I can not agree more with you for > > > > using Vimsottari Dasa before we rectify your chart. It is universal > > > > and if this dasa is not supporting events, Udu Dasas are not of much > > > > use. I always use Vimsottari first for everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Controlling Graha and excluded Graha from dasa scheme in > > > > conditional dasas can match (for example: in Ashtotari-Ketu, > > > > Dwadasottari- Sukra), but this is not the case with Dwisaptati Sama > > > > Dasa, where controlling Graha is Chandra and excluded Graha is Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 [1 > > Attachment] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 9, 2009, 5:18 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Attachment( s) from Ashish Mathur included below] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > > > > > > I think you are taking some incorrect Jaipur city, with the time > > > > 6:10 the lagna is in Tula only, attached is the chart.With this data > > > > the Rasi Lagna is Libra, Navamsa is Gemini and D-24 is Gemini.Now in > > > > order to shift the D-24 lagna to Leo somehow I need to change the > > time > > > > to 6:22:10 which changes the lagna rasi to scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > Also is the cotrolling graha for Dwisaptati is not Ketu ? However > > > > this is also in 8th from AK so might not be the best choice.ÃÆ'‚ I > > > > think I will try to analyse all the events in my life with > > Vimasottari > > > > dasa only and come back with all the clarifications and results. > > > > > > > > > > > No financial difficulties during/ before/ after studies. > > > > > > > > > > > Rafal has also sent > > > > > > > > > > > some good points to start with and I will try to complete some > > > > analysis tonight and come back with some analysis ( with my limited > > > > understanding :-) ) > > > > > > > > > > > In the meanwhile here are some events in life which i intend to > > > > use for rectification. > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Entry to Engineering ( Electronics and Comm. ) : May > > 1993ÃÆ'‚ 2. > > > > Graduation : April - May 19973. Job Start in Mobile engg technology : > > > > May 19974. Untimely Death of father : 21-Nov-19985. Marriage : > > > > 29-Nov-19996. Job change : May 20007. Moving Abroad to UK : 3 DEc > > > > 20008. Birth of SOn : 11-June - 20019. Job Change : 3 - Jan - > > > > 2005ÃÆ'‚ 10. Birth of daughter : 05-march-200711. Job Change : > > 30- June > > > > - 2008 > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ November 25, > > > > > > > > > > > 1974Time: ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 6:10:00Time Zone: ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 5:30:00 (East of > > GMT)Place: ÃÆ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 75 E 49' 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 " ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Jaipur, IndiaAltitude: ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > 0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: > > > > ÃÆ'‚ Ananda - KarthikaTithi: ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > Sukla Ekadasi (Ma) > > > > (65.35% left)Vedic Weekday: Sunday (Su)Nakshatra: ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Uttarabhadra (Sa) (27.41% left)Yoga: ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Siddhi > > > > (Ma) (86.00% left)Karana: ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Vanija > > (Ve) (30.70% > > > > left)Hora Lord: ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Mercury (5 min sign: Le)Mahakala > > Hora: > > > > Mercury (5 min sign: Aq)Kaala Lord: ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Mercury > > (Mahakala: > > > > Moon)Sunrise: ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 6:56:53 (November 24)Sunset: > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 17:29:31 (November 24)Janma > > > > > > > > > > > Ghatis: ÃÆ'‚ 58.0465Ayanamsa: ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > 23-30-23.35Sidereal > > > > Time: 9:57:36Body ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Longitude > > > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Nakshatra Pada Rasi > > > > > > > > > > > NavamsaLagna ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'‚ 28 Li 38' 18.78 " > > > > Visa ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 3 ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Li ÃÆ'‚ GeSun - > > DK ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 8 Sc 51' 16.23 " Anu ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 2 > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Sc ÃÆ'‚ ViMoon > > > > - PK ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 13 Pi 00' 45.58 " UBha > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 3 > > > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Pi ÃÆ'‚ LiMars - AK ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 25 Li 25' 19.49 " > > > > Visa ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 2 ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Li ÃÆ'‚ > > TaMercury - AmK ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > 25 Li 15' 29.70 " Visa ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 2 ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Li > > ÃÆ'‚ TaJupiter - MK > > > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 15 Aq 15' 29.08 " Sata ÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 3 ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Aq > > > > ÃÆ'‚ AqVenus - PiK ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 13 Sc 26' > > 53.40 " Anu ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 4 ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Sc ÃÆ'‚ ScSaturn ® > > > > > - BK ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 24 Ge 50' 49.00 " Puna ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 2 > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Ge ÃÆ'‚ TaRahu - GK ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 17 Sc 02' > > > > 35.91 " Jye ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 1 ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Sc ÃÆ'‚ > > SgKetu ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 17 Ta 02' 35.91 " Rohi > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 3 ÃÆ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'‚ Ta ÃÆ'‚ Ge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja ÃÆ'… trbac <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 9 November, 2009 12:32:33 > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's try this again: you are born on 25th of November 1974, you > > > > gave 06:10 AM as time of your birth, and it was in Jaipur. With these > > > > birth data I get 15 degrees of Vrishchika as your lagna in Rasi (D1) > > > > chart. I am using Jagannatha Hora software. Lagna is vargotama > > > > (meaning Navamsa (D9) is same as natal lagna). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I move your D24 lagna from Karka to Simha, I get 06:14 AM as > > > > your time of birth. It is impossible that D24 lagna shifts from Karka > > > > to Simha 15min later (06:25), because after dividing 30 degrees with > > > > 24 (which is procedure for D24 calculation) result is 1 degree and 15 > > > > > > > > > > > min (arc min, not time). Convert this result to actual time: 1 > > > > degree=approximatel y 4min so 1deg and 15 '=approximately 5min, > > > > meaning that D24 lagna shifts approximately every > > > > > > > > > > > 5min. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even in case of > > > > > > > > > > > Simha lagna in D24 (06:14 AM) Navamsa and Rasi lagna are still > > > > same (vargotama). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every conditional Dasa is having controlling Graha (something > > like > > > > " karaka Graha " ), usually the one which is excluded from Dasa scheme > > > > (like Ketu being excluded in case of Ashtotari Dasa). If ones > > chart is > > > > fulfilling criteria for applying more than one conditional dasa, in > > > > that case we must analyse placement of these controlling grahas from > > > > Atma Karaka in Rasi chart (there is list of priorities among > > > > conditional dasas, but placement of controlling graha must be > > taken in > > > > consideration) . Strongest placements from AK are respectively: > > kendra > > > > (1-4-7-10), panaphara (2-5-8-11) and apoklima (3-6-9-12). Controlling > > > > graha for Dwisaptati Sama Dasa is Chandra, which is in apoklima bhava > > > > from your AK. This is weak placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna is Vargotama (probably) and in sign of Sukra placement in > > > > Navamsa chart... These are conditions for 2 more conditional > > dasas. Do > > > > you have > > > > > > > > > > > " Vimsotari and Udu Dasa " book (around pg30) or should I continue > > > > with this story? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Any significant financial difficulties during studies > > > > comparing to before and after studies? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 9, 2009, 2:11 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > > > > > > If I change the lagna to Simha in D-24 the time need to shift by > > > > 15 mins and it also shifts by Natal Lagna from Libra to Scorpio and > > > > changes a whole lot of things. I have never considered scorpio lagna > > > > as a possibility and would really need to look from a totaly new > > > > perspecitve to see if this works. > > > > > > > > > > > The Moon is in 6th from AK Mars, does this have any bearing on > > > > using dwispatati dasa ? > > > > > > > > > > > If you can guide me further on rectification of my chart I will > > > > discuss all the events and hopefully we can explain all. > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja ÃÆ'… trbac <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, 8 November, 2009 16:01:49 > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think you should give advantage to Mithuna as lagna in > > > > your D24. There is parivartana including Surya and Rahu, 3rd is > > maraka > > > > for 9th, Rahu is eclipsing Surya and is inimical towards Guru, karaka > > > > for higher education, shortly: with this combination you would > > have to > > > > drop out of studies you started (and if being very lucky perhaps > > start > > > > some other type of studies). If this was not the case (1993 you were > > > > 19 years old, so probably not) I think lagna should not be Mithuna. > > > > Though Sani in Meena doesn't fit completely to type of studies you > > > > took (electronics and communication) ... so... how about Simha lagna? > > > > > > > > > > > Check your D24 there from. What do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dwisaptati dasa-where is Chandra from your AK in Rasi chart? > > Shall > > > > we use some other conditional dasa? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 [1 > > Attachment] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, November 8, 2009, 2:04 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swapnil, Thanks for looking however here is my problem. > > > > > > > > > > > I am using the dwisaptati sama dasa and in 1993 when I got > > > > entrance to engginering the dasa running was Moon - Rahu.ÃÆ'‚ > > Rahu is > > > > in parivartana with Sun, however with Cancer lagna, the sun is in 8th > > > > House, ie 12th to 9th and I can't see how this can give intorduction > > > > to bachelors education.ÃÆ'‚ Though here the finishing of > > bachelors is > > > > during the dasa of mars-merc which is in 10th house and can show the > > > > finish. > > > > > > > > > > > If we go with Gemini Lagna then for the 1993 event when I got > > > > entrance the moon is in 4th thus giving an argala and rahu is > > > > effectively in 9th only due to parivartana. With the finishing in > > 1997 > > > > I am a bit confised and not sure why Mars-Merc placed in 11th can end > > > > > > > > > > > the course, because they have an argala on Saturn which is 9th > > > > Lord ?ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaning more towards the Gemini but since I knowledge is > > > > limited so seek guidance from others. > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,Ashish > > > > > > > > > > > Swaps <gaonkarswapnil@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 7 November, 2009 18:10:37 > > > > > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since you have mentioned you have completed your engg in 4 yrs > > and > > > > if not gone for further education you can consider cancer as your > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swapnil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Ashish Mathur > > > > <ashishmathur1008@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to rectify my D-24 however unable to reach a > > > > concrete answer, can you please advise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data : 06:10 AM, 25-11-1974, Jaipur Rajasthan India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now with this data the D-24 lagna is Gemini, however if the > > > > birth time is 20 seconds late the lagna changes to Cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently the only event I have is entrance to Engineering > > > > around June 1993, it was electronics and communications. Graduated > > out > > > > in May 1997. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also a very ordinary student during the school days, the intial > > > > years were particularly very bad academically > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Rafal, I think you mean the Darakaraka lecture presented in Serbia - I have the hand out here. The website link is: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Gates,_Bill If you check the source notes below there is this comment - born shortly after 9:00 PM. The time 21:10 is what I have seen used at various conferences and also Sanjayji has used this time recently in the Jaimini classes. There are a number of points about Gemini lagna that fit. Some simple points include: Arudha Lagna in Kanya with Mangal and ucca Budha - he is known as a ruthless businessman who has monopolized the market, not allowing other operating systems to compete. Lord of Sri lagna is there and is conjoined an ucca graha - he is known (arudha/mount/what is seen) as the richest man in the world. Though there are others with wealth - it is his arudha which shows. His name is synonymous with wealth. 12th from AL is jupiter showing his philanthropic work. The 2nd from here has sukra in moolatrikona in the 5th house of intelligence and creativity, and it is the interface, the relationship, windows operating system that he devised which has brought power to the proletariat/worker - Saturn exalted and caused governments to be less powerful - Surya neecha - due to the availability of information. All of the aforementioned are causing adhi yoga from Chandra, his paka lagna is there... 3rd from AL has Rahu in Scorpio, so he could even cheat others to achieve his objectives. These are some simple things which I know you know. But I haven't heard an argument for other lagna's if you would like to provide some... Warm regards, Michal , RafaÅ‚ Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > Dear Michael, > > 1. I have already give the advise how this should be done in previous > mail based on the teaching of parampara. I have provided the > possible Lagnas, and the order of tools then after getting the > information about native career line and parents career it will be > very easy to re-check siddhamsa and define the birthtime. > 2. I have seen two charts for Bill Gates, one analysed in Crux of > Vedic Astrology and the 2nd one on the conference related to > Amatyakaraka so i'm not sure about his Rasi Lagna what to talk > about Siddhamsa (!). First give your points for Mithuna Rasi Lagna. > > > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > SJC Jyotish Guru > -------------- > /*Consultations & Pages* > http://rohinaa.com > rafal > starsuponme / > > > nearmichal pisze: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > Firstly thank you for the advice but I have a policy never to check > > other divisional charts when rectifying siddhamsa. > > > > Of course I'm joking. If you want to discuss Bill Gates or any of his > > divisions then I am ready to learn. I know you have more then just > > theoretical knowledge so please, give us some analysis, not just 'how > > to' analyze. It will be so helpful for learning. > > > > Warm regards, > > Michal > > > > > > <%40>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz <starsuponme@ > > ...> wrote: > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > Dear Michael , > > > > > > > > > Note, that the charts which you pick up from the 'bank' can be > > > completely off the mark. For example Sanjayji uses completely other > > Rasi > > > Lagna for Pamela Anderson as there its in the bank made by Gauranga. So > > > be careful, most likely 95% of the vargas from the bank will need > > > rectification. > > > > > > I was just wondering why you are giving the argument from the > > > non-rectified chart. > > > > > > There are to methods two solve this issue - to depend only on Siddhamsa > > > and diving more into that varga, or assist with the other divisional > > > charts. In my reading experience I put the eight chart mode on the > > > screen write down all the details with timings, write the Vimshottari > > > dasa and correct the lagnas simultaneously starting normally with > > > -15/+15 forward backwards. After that I analyse all the vargas in > > > details and see if that fits the test of yogas. > > > > > > > > > Otherwise If I would stop on analysing one yoga from some varga and > > > wondering if that parivartana could break the studies or not, > > keeping in > > > mind that there are SO MANY things I dont know yet, then I can stuck > > > like that for one hour and can eat the table with frustration. > > > > > > > > > Its the same like with producing music, sometimes you can stuck on > > > tweaking some parameter and spend on it four hours to have some sound > > > perfect..after that you can be frustrated and your work will be undone. > > > > > > So my suggestion is to write down the possible Lagnas based on subject > > > studies, then mark the one which have more chances based on the timing > > > of studies, specific problems/blessings in the studies, level of marks, > > > one's attitude, level to which one want to rise academically and > > > spirituality (para vidya siddhamsa). > > > > > > Then go to Dasamsa and Dwadasamsa with the opened Siddhamsa in the same > > > time - tweak the Lagnas here and there and look at the timings+events > > > and ask yourself if that Lagna makes sense along with that, that and > > > that Lagnas too. In this way you will be sure you did the right job > > with > > > the whole chart, not only with one Varga which ultimately can be wrong > > > because you dont know one principle which can overriden compeltely your > > > analysis. Prasna marga has that one nice sloka - that even Brhaspati > > can > > > be wrong with the reading of the chart. The last two years of studying > > > Jyotish made me completely surprised about the chart reading as the new > > > principles were digested, so now i'm more humble and I always try to > > > assist myself with more vargas and more information. Even then we're > > not > > > 100% sure but I believe we will be closer. > > > > > > Then ask for the name, choose the Shastyamsa Lagna, do the mantra and > > > start the reading.// > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > ------------ -- > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> > > > rafal@ > > > starsuponme@ ... / > > > > > > > > > nearmichal pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > Dear Raphael, > > > > > > > > I don't know, its just what came up when I pressed the button. I > > would > > > > love you to share your thoughts though... > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ > > > > ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > > > Dear Michael, > > > > > > > > > > Out of curiosity: how you know its Meena the Lagna in Siddhams > > for Bill > > > > > Gates? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > ------------ -- > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com>> > > > > > rafal@ > > > > > starsuponme@ ... / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nearmichal pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > > > > > > > The procedure you are using is fine however it can't be used in > > > > > > isolation. One must take into account above all the Lagnesh as > > > > well as > > > > > > the chart as a whole, the progression from the primary > > learning to > > > > the > > > > > > higher etc. I always look at the house and the planets > > occupying, if > > > > > > none - then the lord, who is the controller of the house - > > then the > > > > > > aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > First lets look at some known charts - Bill Gates for example. D24 > > > > > > Lagna is Meena with the nodes occupying. Jupiter is in the 9th > > house > > > > > > in Scorpio. You could say law right? This is what his parents > > wanted > > > > > > him to study. The nodes dominated as they are on lagna and he > > > > enrolled > > > > > > to study computer science. Besides Jupiter is a maraka to higher > > > > > > learning and he did not complete any degree, instead he went on to > > > > > > start something called 'microsoft' (?). > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Maja ÃÆ'… trbac > > > > > > <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Michal, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you insist that Sy/Ra parivartana would do absolutely no > > harm to > > > > > > higher education, then all is perfectly fine. Sy/Ra combination > > > > > > indicates Electronics and communication. .. I am a little bit > > skeptic > > > > > > on this. This parivartana has strongest influence on 9th bhava > > among > > > > > > all factors. Ketu is not included, as it has no influence on 9th > > > > bhava > > > > > > (no rasi, and of course, no graha dristi). There is Ma/Bu rasi > > > > dristi, > > > > > > but as one Graha (Sy) is already occupying 9th bhava, this can > > only > > > > > > add to the flavor, I don't believe it can completely alter Sy/Ra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I wanted to learn how to use D24, I was told to search for > > > > > > strongest influence on 9th Bhava in following order: 1. graha > > > > > > occupying 9th; 2. If empty, then check for rasi dristis and decide > > > > > > strongest Graha among these, 3. If there are no rasi dristis, > > decide > > > > > > strongest Graha dristi, 4. If all previously mentioned is not > > > > present, > > > > > > check lord of 9th bhava. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is something wrong with this order? > > > > > > > Try to follow it on this chart and tell me what this native had > > > > studied: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 28th of September 1966 > > > > > > > 02:15:30 AM > > > > > > > Belgrade, Serbia (20 E 30; 44 N 50), Time zone 01h East of GMT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Siddhamsha lagna is Tula... So shoot It is easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, nearmichal <nearmichal@ ...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nearmichal <nearmichal@ ...> > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com> > > > > > > > Monday, November 9, 2009, 12:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, Ashish, and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of the 3 options of Taurus, Gemini, and Cancer for siddhamsa > > > > lagna - > > > > > > Gemini seems to support the higher education. Both Cancer and > > Taurus > > > > > > have a very strong influence of Moon and Venus conjoining in > > Taurus, > > > > > > whereas for Gemini the lagnesh conjoins Mars in Aries which will > > > > > > definitely give an engineering brain. Primary education was not > > > > > > satisfactory as 4th lord is in the 8th from 4th, but then > > > > subsequently > > > > > > this combination aspects the 9th house by rasi drsti showing > > that he > > > > > > would eventually do well in his higher studies. The parivartana > > > > > > occurring in the 9th house is bringing the nodal influence to the > > > > > > house of higher learning which certainly indicates electronics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we initiate D24 Narayana Dasa from the 4th lord of rasi chart > > > > > > then Aries dasa (8th from 4th) is running for the duration of his > > > > > > primary education. Then, from 1993 Taurus dasa which is 4th > > from the > > > > > > 9th house with planets in digbala showing success in higher > > studies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we take this to be correct then Dwadasamsa has to stay as > > Kanya > > > > > > lagna. 4th house is Dhanus showing mother to be very direct and > > > > > > outspoken. Jupiter, the lord, goes to the 9th from the 4th showing > > > > > > that she will have a strong independent spirit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Maja ÃÆ'Æ'…ÃÆ'‚ > > trbac > > > > > > <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, different Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Jaipur I was taking in consideration 4min was not > > much of a > > > > > > change to get to Simha lagna in D24... which supports studies you > > > > took > > > > > > because of Mangal and Budh in 9th bhava and rasi dristi of > > Grahas in > > > > > > Simha, but yes, in that case we do have to move lagna to > > Vrishchika.. > > > > > > . Pause button please and lets go back to options for Tula lagna > > > > for a > > > > > > moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Few things I am sure of regarding your D24: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lagna is not Karka, because with retrograde Sani in Meena you > > > > > > could never study Electronics and communication. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -It can not be Mithuna. As I said before, parivartana would > > > > result > > > > > > in dropping out of studies sooner or later, and I am sure > > there would > > > > > > be financial hardships through out studies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Vrishab lagna... even though high ideals related to studies > > > > would > > > > > > be present considering strong placements on lagna, with those > > nodes n > > > > > > 4th bhava (in parivartana) you would hardly graduate from high > > > > school. > > > > > > This is not option. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesh or Simha lagna... shall we flip a coin? No... Instead > > I will > > > > > > ask you one question privately related to Tula lagna option > > for your > > > > > > rasi chart. After that we can continue with other events in > > your life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as conditional dasas, I can not agree more with you for > > > > > > using Vimsottari Dasa before we rectify your chart. It is > > universal > > > > > > and if this dasa is not supporting events, Udu Dasas are not > > of much > > > > > > use. I always use Vimsottari first for everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Controlling Graha and excluded Graha from dasa scheme in > > > > > > conditional dasas can match (for example: in Ashtotari-Ketu, > > > > > > Dwadasottari- Sukra), but this is not the case with Dwisaptati > > Sama > > > > > > Dasa, where controlling Graha is Chandra and excluded Graha is > > Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 [1 > > > > Attachment] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 9, 2009, 5:18 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Attachment( s) from Ashish Mathur included below] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you are taking some incorrect Jaipur city, with > > the time > > > > > > 6:10 the lagna is in Tula only, attached is the chart.With > > this data > > > > > > the Rasi Lagna is Libra, Navamsa is Gemini and D-24 is > > Gemini.Now in > > > > > > order to shift the D-24 lagna to Leo somehow I need to change the > > > > time > > > > > > to 6:22:10 which changes the lagna rasi to scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also is the cotrolling graha for Dwisaptati is not Ketu ? > > However > > > > > > this is also in 8th from AK so might not be the best > > choice.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ I > > > > > > think I will try to analyse all the events in my life with > > > > Vimasottari > > > > > > dasa only and come back with all the clarifications and results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No financial difficulties during/ before/ after studies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rafal has also sent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some good points to start with and I will try to complete some > > > > > > analysis tonight and come back with some analysis ( with my > > limited > > > > > > understanding :-) ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meanwhile here are some events in life which i > > intend to > > > > > > use for rectification. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Entry to Engineering ( Electronics and Comm. ) : May > > > > 1993ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 2. > > > > > > Graduation : April - May 19973. Job Start in Mobile engg > > technology : > > > > > > May 19974. Untimely Death of father : 21-Nov-19985. Marriage : > > > > > > 29-Nov-19996. Job change : May 20007. Moving Abroad to UK : 3 DEc > > > > > > 20008. Birth of SOn : 11-June - 20019. Job Change : 3 - Jan - > > > > > > 2005ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 10. Birth of daughter : 05-march-200711. > > Job Change : > > > > 30- June > > > > > > - 2008 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ November 25, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1974Time: ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 6:10:00Time Zone: ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 5:30:00 (East of > > > > GMT)Place: ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 75 E 49' > > 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 " ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Jaipur, IndiaAltitude: > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > 0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Ananda - KarthikaTithi: ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Sukla Ekadasi (Ma) > > > > > > (65.35% left)Vedic Weekday: Sunday (Su)Nakshatra: > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > Uttarabhadra (Sa) (27.41% left)Yoga: ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Siddhi > > > > > > (Ma) (86.00% left)Karana: ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Vanija > > > > (Ve) (30.70% > > > > > > left)Hora Lord: ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Mercury (5 > > min sign: Le)Mahakala > > > > Hora: > > > > > > Mercury (5 min sign: Aq)Kaala Lord: ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Mercury > > > > (Mahakala: > > > > > > Moon)Sunrise: ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 6:56:53 (November 24)Sunset: > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 17:29:31 (November 24)Janma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ghatis: ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 58.0465Ayanamsa: ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > 23-30-23.35Sidereal > > > > > > Time: 9:57:36Body ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Longitude > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Nakshatra Pada Rasi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NavamsaLagna ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 28 Li 38' 18.78 " > > > > > > Visa ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 3 > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Li ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ GeSun - > > > > DK ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 8 Sc 51' 16.23 " Anu > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 2 > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Sc ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ViMoon > > > > > > - PK ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 13 Pi 00' 45.58 " UBha > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 3 > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Pi ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ LiMars - > > AK ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 25 Li 25' 19.49 " > > > > > > Visa ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 2 > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Li ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > TaMercury - AmK ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > 25 Li 15' 29.70 " Visa ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 2 ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Li > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ TaJupiter - MK > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 15 Aq 15' 29.08 " Sata ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 3 ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Aq > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ AqVenus - PiK ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 13 Sc 26' > > > > 53.40 " Anu ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 4 ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Sc > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ScSaturn ® > > > > > > > - BK ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 24 Ge 50' 49.00 " Puna > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Ge ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > TaRahu - GK ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 17 Sc 02' > > > > > > 35.91 " Jye ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > 1 ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Sc ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > SgKetu ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 17 Ta 02' 35.91 " Rohi > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 3 ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Ta ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Ge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja ÃÆ'Æ'…ÃÆ'‚ trbac <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 9 November, 2009 12:32:33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's try this again: you are born on 25th of November > > 1974, you > > > > > > gave 06:10 AM as time of your birth, and it was in Jaipur. > > With these > > > > > > birth data I get 15 degrees of Vrishchika as your lagna in > > Rasi (D1) > > > > > > chart. I am using Jagannatha Hora software. Lagna is vargotama > > > > > > (meaning Navamsa (D9) is same as natal lagna). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I move your D24 lagna from Karka to Simha, I get 06:14 > > AM as > > > > > > your time of birth. It is impossible that D24 lagna shifts > > from Karka > > > > > > to Simha 15min later (06:25), because after dividing 30 > > degrees with > > > > > > 24 (which is procedure for D24 calculation) result is 1 degree > > and 15 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > min (arc min, not time). Convert this result to actual time: 1 > > > > > > degree=approximatel y 4min so 1deg and 15 '=approximately 5min, > > > > > > meaning that D24 lagna shifts approximately every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5min. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even in case of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Simha lagna in D24 (06:14 AM) Navamsa and Rasi lagna are still > > > > > > same (vargotama). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every conditional Dasa is having controlling Graha (something > > > > like > > > > > > " karaka Graha " ), usually the one which is excluded from Dasa > > scheme > > > > > > (like Ketu being excluded in case of Ashtotari Dasa). If ones > > > > chart is > > > > > > fulfilling criteria for applying more than one conditional > > dasa, in > > > > > > that case we must analyse placement of these controlling > > grahas from > > > > > > Atma Karaka in Rasi chart (there is list of priorities among > > > > > > conditional dasas, but placement of controlling graha must be > > > > taken in > > > > > > consideration) . Strongest placements from AK are respectively: > > > > kendra > > > > > > (1-4-7-10), panaphara (2-5-8-11) and apoklima (3-6-9-12). > > Controlling > > > > > > graha for Dwisaptati Sama Dasa is Chandra, which is in > > apoklima bhava > > > > > > from your AK. This is weak placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna is Vargotama (probably) and in sign of Sukra > > placement in > > > > > > Navamsa chart... These are conditions for 2 more conditional > > > > dasas. Do > > > > > > you have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Vimsotari and Udu Dasa " book (around pg30) or should I > > continue > > > > > > with this story? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Any significant financial difficulties during studies > > > > > > comparing to before and after studies? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 9, 2009, 2:11 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I change the lagna to Simha in D-24 the time need to > > shift by > > > > > > 15 mins and it also shifts by Natal Lagna from Libra to > > Scorpio and > > > > > > changes a whole lot of things. I have never considered scorpio > > lagna > > > > > > as a possibility and would really need to look from a totaly new > > > > > > perspecitve to see if this works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Moon is in 6th from AK Mars, does this have any bearing on > > > > > > using dwispatati dasa ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can guide me further on rectification of my chart I > > will > > > > > > discuss all the events and hopefully we can explain all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja ÃÆ'Æ'…ÃÆ'‚ trbac <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, 8 November, 2009 16:01:49 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think you should give advantage to Mithuna as lagna in > > > > > > your D24. There is parivartana including Surya and Rahu, 3rd is > > > > maraka > > > > > > for 9th, Rahu is eclipsing Surya and is inimical towards Guru, > > karaka > > > > > > for higher education, shortly: with this combination you would > > > > have to > > > > > > drop out of studies you started (and if being very lucky perhaps > > > > start > > > > > > some other type of studies). If this was not the case (1993 > > you were > > > > > > 19 years old, so probably not) I think lagna should not be > > Mithuna. > > > > > > Though Sani in Meena doesn't fit completely to type of studies you > > > > > > took (electronics and communication) ... so... how about Simha > > lagna? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check your D24 there from. What do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dwisaptati dasa-where is Chandra from your AK in Rasi chart? > > > > Shall > > > > > > we use some other conditional dasa? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 [1 > > > > Attachment] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, November 8, 2009, 2:04 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swapnil, Thanks for looking however here is my problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am using the dwisaptati sama dasa and in 1993 when I got > > > > > > entrance to engginering the dasa running was Moon - > > Rahu.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Rahu is > > > > > > in parivartana with Sun, however with Cancer lagna, the sun is > > in 8th > > > > > > House, ie 12th to 9th and I can't see how this can give > > intorduction > > > > > > to bachelors education.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Though here the > > finishing of > > > > bachelors is > > > > > > during the dasa of mars-merc which is in 10th house and can > > show the > > > > > > finish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we go with Gemini Lagna then for the 1993 event when I got > > > > > > entrance the moon is in 4th thus giving an argala and rahu is > > > > > > effectively in 9th only due to parivartana. With the finishing in > > > > 1997 > > > > > > I am a bit confised and not sure why Mars-Merc placed in 11th > > can end > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the course, because they have an argala on Saturn which is 9th > > > > > > Lord ?ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaning more towards the Gemini but since I knowledge is > > > > > > limited so seek guidance from others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,Ashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swaps <gaonkarswapnil@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 7 November, 2009 18:10:37 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since you have mentioned you have completed your engg in 4 > > yrs > > > > and > > > > > > if not gone for further education you can consider cancer as your > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swapnil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Ashish Mathur > > > > > > <ashishmathur1008@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to rectify my D-24 however unable to reach a > > > > > > concrete answer, can you please advise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data : 06:10 AM, 25-11-1974, Jaipur Rajasthan India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now with this data the D-24 lagna is Gemini, however if the > > > > > > birth time is 20 seconds late the lagna changes to Cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently the only event I have is entrance to Engineering > > > > > > around June 1993, it was electronics and communications. > > Graduated > > > > out > > > > > > in May 1997. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also a very ordinary student during the school days, the > > intial > > > > > > years were particularly very bad academically > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Rafal, Sorry for bothering you with this simple format. Warm regards, Michal , RafaÅ‚ Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > Dear Michael, > > For the more serious & detailed discussions: I'm waiting for Google Wave > as that would be very easy to trace the points made by members. > > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > SJC Jyotish Guru > -------------- > /*Consultations & Pages* > http://rohinaa.com > rafal > starsuponme / > > > nearmichal pisze: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > I think you mean the Darakaraka lecture presented in Serbia - I have > > the hand out here. > > > > The website link is: > > http://www.astro. com/astro- databank/ Gates,_Bill > > <http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Gates,_Bill> > > > > If you check the source notes below there is this comment - born > > shortly after 9:00 PM. > > > > The time 21:10 is what I have seen used at various conferences and > > also Sanjayji has used this time recently in the Jaimini classes. > > > > There are a number of points about Gemini lagna that fit. Some simple > > points include: Arudha Lagna in Kanya with Mangal and ucca Budha - he > > is known as a ruthless businessman who has monopolized the market, not > > allowing other operating systems to compete. Lord of Sri lagna is > > there and is conjoined an ucca graha - he is known (arudha/mount/ what > > is seen) as the richest man in the world. Though there are others with > > wealth - it is his arudha which shows. His name is synonymous with > > wealth. 12th from AL is jupiter showing his philanthropic work. The > > 2nd from here has sukra in moolatrikona in the 5th house of > > intelligence and creativity, and it is the interface, the > > relationship, windows operating system that he devised which has > > brought power to the proletariat/ worker - Saturn exalted and caused > > governments to be less powerful - Surya neecha - due to the > > availability of information. All of the aforementioned are causing > > adhi yoga from Chandra, his paka lagna is there... 3rd from AL has > > Rahu in Scorpio, so he could even cheat others to achieve his objectives. > > > > These are some simple things which I know you know. But I haven't > > heard an argument for other lagna's if you would like to provide some... > > > > Warm regards, > > Michal > > > > > > <%40>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz <starsuponme@ > > ...> wrote: > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > Dear Michael, > > > > > > 1. I have already give the advise how this should be done in previous > > > mail based on the teaching of parampara. I have provided the > > > possible Lagnas, and the order of tools then after getting the > > > information about native career line and parents career it will be > > > very easy to re-check siddhamsa and define the birthtime. > > > 2. I have seen two charts for Bill Gates, one analysed in Crux of > > > Vedic Astrology and the 2nd one on the conference related to > > > Amatyakaraka so i'm not sure about his Rasi Lagna what to talk > > > about Siddhamsa (!). First give your points for Mithuna Rasi Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > ------------ -- > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> > > > rafal@ > > > starsuponme@ ... / > > > > > > > > > nearmichal pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > Firstly thank you for the advice but I have a policy never to check > > > > other divisional charts when rectifying siddhamsa. > > > > > > > > Of course I'm joking. If you want to discuss Bill Gates or any of his > > > > divisions then I am ready to learn. I know you have more then just > > > > theoretical knowledge so please, give us some analysis, not just 'how > > > > to' analyze. It will be so helpful for learning. > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ > > > > ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > > > Dear Michael , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note, that the charts which you pick up from the 'bank' can be > > > > > completely off the mark. For example Sanjayji uses completely other > > > > Rasi > > > > > Lagna for Pamela Anderson as there its in the bank made by > > Gauranga. So > > > > > be careful, most likely 95% of the vargas from the bank will need > > > > > rectification. > > > > > > > > > > I was just wondering why you are giving the argument from the > > > > > non-rectified chart. > > > > > > > > > > There are to methods two solve this issue - to depend only on > > Siddhamsa > > > > > and diving more into that varga, or assist with the other divisional > > > > > charts. In my reading experience I put the eight chart mode on the > > > > > screen write down all the details with timings, write the > > Vimshottari > > > > > dasa and correct the lagnas simultaneously starting normally with > > > > > -15/+15 forward backwards. After that I analyse all the vargas in > > > > > details and see if that fits the test of yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise If I would stop on analysing one yoga from some varga and > > > > > wondering if that parivartana could break the studies or not, > > > > keeping in > > > > > mind that there are SO MANY things I dont know yet, then I can stuck > > > > > like that for one hour and can eat the table with frustration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its the same like with producing music, sometimes you can stuck on > > > > > tweaking some parameter and spend on it four hours to have some > > sound > > > > > perfect..after that you can be frustrated and your work will be > > undone. > > > > > > > > > > So my suggestion is to write down the possible Lagnas based on > > subject > > > > > studies, then mark the one which have more chances based on the > > timing > > > > > of studies, specific problems/blessings in the studies, level of > > marks, > > > > > one's attitude, level to which one want to rise academically and > > > > > spirituality (para vidya siddhamsa). > > > > > > > > > > Then go to Dasamsa and Dwadasamsa with the opened Siddhamsa in > > the same > > > > > time - tweak the Lagnas here and there and look at the > > timings+events > > > > > and ask yourself if that Lagna makes sense along with that, that and > > > > > that Lagnas too. In this way you will be sure you did the right job > > > > with > > > > > the whole chart, not only with one Varga which ultimately can be > > wrong > > > > > because you dont know one principle which can overriden > > compeltely your > > > > > analysis. Prasna marga has that one nice sloka - that even > > Brhaspati > > > > can > > > > > be wrong with the reading of the chart. The last two years of > > studying > > > > > Jyotish made me completely surprised about the chart reading as > > the new > > > > > principles were digested, so now i'm more humble and I always try to > > > > > assist myself with more vargas and more information. Even then > > we're > > > > not > > > > > 100% sure but I believe we will be closer. > > > > > > > > > > Then ask for the name, choose the Shastyamsa Lagna, do the > > mantra and > > > > > start the reading.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > ------------ -- > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com>> > > > > > rafal@ > > > > > starsuponme@ ... / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nearmichal pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raphael, > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know, its just what came up when I pressed the button. I > > > > would > > > > > > love you to share your thoughts though... > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, RafaÃÆ'…‚ > > Gendarz > > > > <starsuponme@ > > > > > > ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > > > > > Dear Michael, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Out of curiosity: how you know its Meena the Lagna in Siddhams > > > > for Bill > > > > > > > Gates? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > > > ------------ -- > > > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. > > com <http://rohinaa.com>>> > > > > > > > rafal@ > > > > > > > starsuponme@ ... / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nearmichal pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The procedure you are using is fine however it can't be > > used in > > > > > > > > isolation. One must take into account above all the Lagnesh as > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > the chart as a whole, the progression from the primary > > > > learning to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > higher etc. I always look at the house and the planets > > > > occupying, if > > > > > > > > none - then the lord, who is the controller of the house - > > > > then the > > > > > > > > aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First lets look at some known charts - Bill Gates for > > example. D24 > > > > > > > > Lagna is Meena with the nodes occupying. Jupiter is in the > > 9th > > > > house > > > > > > > > in Scorpio. You could say law right? This is what his parents > > > > wanted > > > > > > > > him to study. The nodes dominated as they are on lagna and he > > > > > > enrolled > > > > > > > > to study computer science. Besides Jupiter is a maraka to > > higher > > > > > > > > learning and he did not complete any degree, instead he > > went on to > > > > > > > > start something called 'microsoft' (?). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Maja > > ÃÆ'Æ'… trbac > > > > > > > > <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Michal, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you insist that Sy/Ra parivartana would do absolutely no > > > > harm to > > > > > > > > higher education, then all is perfectly fine. Sy/Ra > > combination > > > > > > > > indicates Electronics and communication. .. I am a little bit > > > > skeptic > > > > > > > > on this. This parivartana has strongest influence on 9th > > bhava > > > > among > > > > > > > > all factors. Ketu is not included, as it has no influence > > on 9th > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > > (no rasi, and of course, no graha dristi). There is Ma/Bu rasi > > > > > > dristi, > > > > > > > > but as one Graha (Sy) is already occupying 9th bhava, this > > can > > > > only > > > > > > > > add to the flavor, I don't believe it can completely alter > > Sy/Ra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I wanted to learn how to use D24, I was told to > > search for > > > > > > > > strongest influence on 9th Bhava in following order: 1. graha > > > > > > > > occupying 9th; 2. If empty, then check for rasi dristis > > and decide > > > > > > > > strongest Graha among these, 3. If there are no rasi dristis, > > > > decide > > > > > > > > strongest Graha dristi, 4. If all previously mentioned is not > > > > > > present, > > > > > > > > check lord of 9th bhava. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is something wrong with this order? > > > > > > > > > Try to follow it on this chart and tell me what this > > native had > > > > > > studied: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 28th of September 1966 > > > > > > > > > 02:15:30 AM > > > > > > > > > Belgrade, Serbia (20 E 30; 44 N 50), Time zone 01h East > > of GMT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Siddhamsha lagna is Tula... So shoot It is easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, nearmichal <nearmichal@ ...> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nearmichal <nearmichal@ ...> > > > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com> > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 9, 2009, 12:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, Ashish, and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of the 3 options of Taurus, Gemini, and Cancer for siddhamsa > > > > > > lagna - > > > > > > > > Gemini seems to support the higher education. Both Cancer and > > > > Taurus > > > > > > > > have a very strong influence of Moon and Venus conjoining in > > > > Taurus, > > > > > > > > whereas for Gemini the lagnesh conjoins Mars in Aries > > which will > > > > > > > > definitely give an engineering brain. Primary education > > was not > > > > > > > > satisfactory as 4th lord is in the 8th from 4th, but then > > > > > > subsequently > > > > > > > > this combination aspects the 9th house by rasi drsti showing > > > > that he > > > > > > > > would eventually do well in his higher studies. The > > parivartana > > > > > > > > occurring in the 9th house is bringing the nodal influence > > to the > > > > > > > > house of higher learning which certainly indicates > > electronics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we initiate D24 Narayana Dasa from the 4th lord of > > rasi chart > > > > > > > > then Aries dasa (8th from 4th) is running for the duration > > of his > > > > > > > > primary education. Then, from 1993 Taurus dasa which is 4th > > > > from the > > > > > > > > 9th house with planets in digbala showing success in higher > > > > studies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we take this to be correct then Dwadasamsa has to > > stay as > > > > Kanya > > > > > > > > lagna. 4th house is Dhanus showing mother to be very > > direct and > > > > > > > > outspoken. Jupiter, the lord, goes to the 9th from the 4th > > showing > > > > > > > > that she will have a strong independent spirit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Maja > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > trbac > > > > > > > > <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, different Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Jaipur I was taking in consideration 4min was not > > > > much of a > > > > > > > > change to get to Simha lagna in D24... which supports > > studies you > > > > > > took > > > > > > > > because of Mangal and Budh in 9th bhava and rasi dristi of > > > > Grahas in > > > > > > > > Simha, but yes, in that case we do have to move lagna to > > > > Vrishchika.. > > > > > > > > . Pause button please and lets go back to options for Tula > > lagna > > > > > > for a > > > > > > > > moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Few things I am sure of regarding your D24: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lagna is not Karka, because with retrograde Sani in > > Meena you > > > > > > > > could never study Electronics and communication. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -It can not be Mithuna. As I said before, parivartana > > would > > > > > > result > > > > > > > > in dropping out of studies sooner or later, and I am sure > > > > there would > > > > > > > > be financial hardships through out studies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Vrishab lagna... even though high ideals related to > > studies > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > be present considering strong placements on lagna, with those > > > > nodes n > > > > > > > > 4th bhava (in parivartana) you would hardly graduate from high > > > > > > school. > > > > > > > > This is not option. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesh or Simha lagna... shall we flip a coin? No... > > Instead > > > > I will > > > > > > > > ask you one question privately related to Tula lagna option > > > > for your > > > > > > > > rasi chart. After that we can continue with other events in > > > > your life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as conditional dasas, I can not agree more with > > you for > > > > > > > > using Vimsottari Dasa before we rectify your chart. It is > > > > universal > > > > > > > > and if this dasa is not supporting events, Udu Dasas are not > > > > of much > > > > > > > > use. I always use Vimsottari first for everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Controlling Graha and excluded Graha from dasa scheme in > > > > > > > > conditional dasas can match (for example: in Ashtotari-Ketu, > > > > > > > > Dwadasottari- Sukra), but this is not the case with > > Dwisaptati > > > > Sama > > > > > > > > Dasa, where controlling Graha is Chandra and excluded > > Graha is > > > > Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > > ...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 [1 > > > > > > Attachment] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 9, 2009, 5:18 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Attachment( s) from Ashish Mathur included below] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you are taking some incorrect Jaipur city, with > > > > the time > > > > > > > > 6:10 the lagna is in Tula only, attached is the chart.With > > > > this data > > > > > > > > the Rasi Lagna is Libra, Navamsa is Gemini and D-24 is > > > > Gemini.Now in > > > > > > > > order to shift the D-24 lagna to Leo somehow I need to > > change the > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > to 6:22:10 which changes the lagna rasi to scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also is the cotrolling graha for Dwisaptati is not Ketu ? > > > > However > > > > > > > > this is also in 8th from AK so might not be the best > > > > choice.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ I > > > > > > > > think I will try to analyse all the events in my life with > > > > > > Vimasottari > > > > > > > > dasa only and come back with all the clarifications and > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No financial difficulties during/ before/ after studies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rafal has also sent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some good points to start with and I will try to > > complete some > > > > > > > > analysis tonight and come back with some analysis ( with my > > > > limited > > > > > > > > understanding :-) ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meanwhile here are some events in life which i > > > > intend to > > > > > > > > use for rectification. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Entry to Engineering ( Electronics and Comm. ) : May > > > > > > 1993ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ 2. > > > > > > > > Graduation : April - May 19973. Job Start in Mobile engg > > > > technology : > > > > > > > > May 19974. Untimely Death of father : 21-Nov-19985. Marriage : > > > > > > > > 29-Nov-19996. Job change : May 20007. Moving Abroad to UK > > : 3 DEc > > > > > > > > 20008. Birth of SOn : 11-June - 20019. Job Change : 3 - Jan - > > > > > > > > 2005ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ 10. Birth of > > daughter : 05-march-200711. > > > > Job Change : > > > > > > 30- June > > > > > > > > - 2008 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ November 25, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1974Time: ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ 6:10:00Time Zone: > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ 5:30:00 (East of > > > > > > GMT)Place: ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ 75 > > E 49' > > > > 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 " ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ Jaipur, IndiaAltitude: > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > 0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ Ananda - KarthikaTithi: > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > Sukla Ekadasi (Ma) > > > > > > > > (65.35% left)Vedic Weekday: Sunday (Su)Nakshatra: > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > Uttarabhadra (Sa) (27.41% left)Yoga: > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ Siddhi > > > > > > > > (Ma) (86.00% left)Karana: > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ Vanija > > > > > > (Ve) (30.70% > > > > > > > > left)Hora Lord: ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ Mercury (5 > > > > min sign: Le)Mahakala > > > > > > Hora: > > > > > > > > Mercury (5 min sign: Aq)Kaala Lord: > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ Mercury > > > > > > (Mahakala: > > > > > > > > Moon)Sunrise: ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ 6:56:53 (November 24)Sunset: > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ 17:29:31 (November 24)Janma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ghatis: ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > 58.0465Ayanamsa: ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > 23-30-23.35Sidereal > > > > > > > > Time: 9:57:36Body ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ Longitude > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ Nakshatra Pada Rasi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NavamsaLagna ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ 28 Li 38' 18.78 " > > > > > > > > Visa ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ 3 > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ Li ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > GeSun - > > > > > > DK ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ 8 Sc 51' 16.23 " Anu > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ 2 > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ Sc ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ViMoon > > > > > > > > - PK ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ 13 Pi 00' 45.58 " UBha > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ 3 > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ Pi ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > LiMars - > > > > AK ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ 25 Li 25' 19.49 " > > > > > > > > Visa ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ 2 > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ Li ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > TaMercury - AmK ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > 25 Li 15' 29.70 " Visa ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ 2 > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ Li > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ TaJupiter - MK > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ 15 Aq 15' 29.08 " Sata > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ 3 ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ Aq > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ AqVenus - PiK > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ 13 > > Sc 26' > > > > > > 53.40 " Anu ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ 4 > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ Sc > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ScSaturn ® > > > > > > > > > - BK ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ 24 Ge 50' 49.00 " Puna > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ Ge ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > TaRahu - GK ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ 17 Sc 02' > > > > > > > > 35.91 " Jye ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > 1 ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ Sc ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > SgKetu ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ 17 Ta 02' 35.91 " Rohi > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ 3 > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ Ta > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ Ge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦ÃÆ'Æ'‚ trbac > > <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 9 November, 2009 12:32:33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's try this again: you are born on 25th of November > > > > 1974, you > > > > > > > > gave 06:10 AM as time of your birth, and it was in Jaipur. > > > > With these > > > > > > > > birth data I get 15 degrees of Vrishchika as your lagna in > > > > Rasi (D1) > > > > > > > > chart. I am using Jagannatha Hora software. Lagna is vargotama > > > > > > > > (meaning Navamsa (D9) is same as natal lagna). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I move your D24 lagna from Karka to Simha, I get 06:14 > > > > AM as > > > > > > > > your time of birth. It is impossible that D24 lagna shifts > > > > from Karka > > > > > > > > to Simha 15min later (06:25), because after dividing 30 > > > > degrees with > > > > > > > > 24 (which is procedure for D24 calculation) result is 1 > > degree > > > > and 15 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > min (arc min, not time). Convert this result to actual > > time: 1 > > > > > > > > degree=approximatel y 4min so 1deg and 15 '=approximately > > 5min, > > > > > > > > meaning that D24 lagna shifts approximately every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5min. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even in case of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Simha lagna in D24 (06:14 AM) Navamsa and Rasi lagna > > are still > > > > > > > > same (vargotama). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every conditional Dasa is having controlling Graha > > (something > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > " karaka Graha " ), usually the one which is excluded from Dasa > > > > scheme > > > > > > > > (like Ketu being excluded in case of Ashtotari Dasa). If ones > > > > > > chart is > > > > > > > > fulfilling criteria for applying more than one conditional > > > > dasa, in > > > > > > > > that case we must analyse placement of these controlling > > > > grahas from > > > > > > > > Atma Karaka in Rasi chart (there is list of priorities among > > > > > > > > conditional dasas, but placement of controlling graha must be > > > > > > taken in > > > > > > > > consideration) . Strongest placements from AK are > > respectively: > > > > > > kendra > > > > > > > > (1-4-7-10), panaphara (2-5-8-11) and apoklima (3-6-9-12). > > > > Controlling > > > > > > > > graha for Dwisaptati Sama Dasa is Chandra, which is in > > > > apoklima bhava > > > > > > > > from your AK. This is weak placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna is Vargotama (probably) and in sign of Sukra > > > > placement in > > > > > > > > Navamsa chart... These are conditions for 2 more conditional > > > > > > dasas. Do > > > > > > > > you have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Vimsotari and Udu Dasa " book (around pg30) or should I > > > > continue > > > > > > > > with this story? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Any significant financial difficulties during studies > > > > > > > > comparing to before and after studies? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 9, 2009, 2:11 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I change the lagna to Simha in D-24 the time need to > > > > shift by > > > > > > > > 15 mins and it also shifts by Natal Lagna from Libra to > > > > Scorpio and > > > > > > > > changes a whole lot of things. I have never considered > > scorpio > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > as a possibility and would really need to look from a > > totaly new > > > > > > > > perspecitve to see if this works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Moon is in 6th from AK Mars, does this have any > > bearing on > > > > > > > > using dwispatati dasa ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can guide me further on rectification of my > > chart I > > > > will > > > > > > > > discuss all the events and hopefully we can explain all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦ÃÆ'Æ'‚ trbac > > <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, 8 November, 2009 16:01:49 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think you should give advantage to Mithuna as > > lagna in > > > > > > > > your D24. There is parivartana including Surya and Rahu, > > 3rd is > > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > > for 9th, Rahu is eclipsing Surya and is inimical towards > > Guru, > > > > karaka > > > > > > > > for higher education, shortly: with this combination you would > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > drop out of studies you started (and if being very lucky > > perhaps > > > > > > start > > > > > > > > some other type of studies). If this was not the case (1993 > > > > you were > > > > > > > > 19 years old, so probably not) I think lagna should not be > > > > Mithuna. > > > > > > > > Though Sani in Meena doesn't fit completely to type of > > studies you > > > > > > > > took (electronics and communication) ... so... how about > > Simha > > > > lagna? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check your D24 there from. What do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dwisaptati dasa-where is Chandra from your AK in Rasi > > chart? > > > > > > Shall > > > > > > > > we use some other conditional dasa? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 [1 > > > > > > Attachment] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, November 8, 2009, 2:04 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swapnil, Thanks for looking however here is my problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am using the dwisaptati sama dasa and in 1993 when I got > > > > > > > > entrance to engginering the dasa running was Moon - > > > > Rahu.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > Rahu is > > > > > > > > in parivartana with Sun, however with Cancer lagna, the > > sun is > > > > in 8th > > > > > > > > House, ie 12th to 9th and I can't see how this can give > > > > intorduction > > > > > > > > to bachelors education.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > Though here the > > > > finishing of > > > > > > bachelors is > > > > > > > > during the dasa of mars-merc which is in 10th house and can > > > > show the > > > > > > > > finish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we go with Gemini Lagna then for the 1993 event > > when I got > > > > > > > > entrance the moon is in 4th thus giving an argala and rahu is > > > > > > > > effectively in 9th only due to parivartana. With the > > finishing in > > > > > > 1997 > > > > > > > > I am a bit confised and not sure why Mars-Merc placed in 11th > > > > can end > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the course, because they have an argala on Saturn > > which is 9th > > > > > > > > Lord ?ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaning more towards the Gemini but since I > > knowledge is > > > > > > > > limited so seek guidance from others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,Ashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swaps <gaonkarswapnil@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 7 November, 2009 18:10:37 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since you have mentioned you have completed your engg > > in 4 > > > > yrs > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > if not gone for further education you can consider cancer > > as your > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swapnil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Ashish Mathur > > > > > > > > <ashishmathur1008@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to rectify my D-24 however unable to reach a > > > > > > > > concrete answer, can you please advise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data : 06:10 AM, 25-11-1974, Jaipur Rajasthan India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now with this data the D-24 lagna is Gemini, however > > if the > > > > > > > > birth time is 20 seconds late the lagna changes to Cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently the only event I have is entrance to > > Engineering > > > > > > > > around June 1993, it was electronics and communications. > > > > Graduated > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > in May 1997. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also a very ordinary student during the school days, > > the > > > > intial > > > > > > > > years were particularly very bad academically > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Maja, Yes it works in this chart also, 9th lord goes to 10th house and shows that direction coming to an end. Venus drsti on the 9th house then comes into effect. Ashish chart: There is dual parivartana involved with UL so I'm going to have to pass on deciding that one. What to do in this situation? Regards, Michal , Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Michal, namaste > > Oh, these rules are all new to me. One more chart, please, please, please. > > Check this D24: > > 13th of February 1976. > 10:13:04 AM > 14 E 13; 45 N 46, Time Zone 01h East of GMT > > Siddhamsha lagna is Makara. Now, according to these rules bellow, our dear friend is a real superhero (I hope you are recognizing whose chart this is . First She was studying something like business/management/economy, then dropped out within less than a year and studied art after (she graduated). Check out rasi dristi of Sukra in MKS... she is a real lady of guts She is more man than any man I've ever met in my entire life. > > Can you come back on Ashish's chart for a moment and look at UL, please? Look at it with Tula lagna and then look at it with Vrishchika lagna. In the meanwhile I asked him privately about marriage, and answer is: one and only one partnership so far, this partnership is his wife, marriage was arranged, their relation is pretty much nice and smooth... making long story short, this marriage is good. I am a little bit skeptic that this story can be supported with Tula lagna option. What do you think? > > Warm regards, > Maja Strbac > > --- On Tue, 11/10/09, nearmichal <nearmichal wrote: > > nearmichal <nearmichal > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 1:02 PM >  > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > Thanks, I had to laugh, all these years and still... > > > > Regarding the chart - Yes I agree with you, aspect of the nodes on the 9th house is giving electronics. Why not the lord Mercury dominating? It is conjoined 10th lord so will not be able to support higher education. Then we have no option but to look at the aspects. Rahu has drsti on lagnesh as well as the 7th house of PhD. 9th lord itself is not well placed from Lagnesh. > > > > We can't forget that the D24 chart is a cosmos. It is just convienient that we have some simple rules to " easily " assess the main themes of the person's education. > > > > This illustrates the same point I was making with Bill Gates chart. There are many factors to consider. Again in your chart 9th lord Mars is conjoined 10th lord Jupiter. The rasi drsti of Mercury then dominates. > > > > Whenever analysing we are always confronted with many options. But I find generally that people take the path of least resistance. People when choosing their higher education usually do what will be easiest for them, not what will be more challenging. > > > > Regards, > > Mike > > > > , Maja Ã…Â trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Dear " Jackson " , namaste > > > > > > (This exclusive opportunity to speak with you I shall not use to ask questions about afterlife. Instead I would be pleased to read more about your impressions on tribute Madonna dedicated to you on her latest world tour. Did you like it?) > > > > > > Continuing in serious mode-I asked my question first (plus: ladies first ) > > > > > > Please, open that Siddhamsha I gave you and then answer why this native had studied Electronics and why he is having PhD title in this area? I am not buying it is due to Budha yuti Chandra in Kumbha and it is surely not due to lagnesh Sukra in Karka in 10th bhava. > > > > > > Then after I promise I will discuss further on Bill Gates Siddhamsha. > > > > > > P.S. If I apply these rules you wrote bellow, with Meena lagna in my D24 I should have studied engineering (Mangal as stronger co lord of 9th with Graha dristi on own rasi, yuti lagnesh Guru in Simha... WOW! But...you do remember that twisted story about my higher education? 2 years there, 2 years here, 2 years this, 2 years that... none of this was engineering > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/10/09, nearmichal <nearmichal@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > nearmichal <nearmichal@ ...> > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 11:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > > > > > > > The procedure you are using is fine however it can't be used in isolation. One must take into account above all the Lagnesh as well as the chart as a whole, the progression from the primary learning to the higher etc. I always look at the house and the planets occupying, if none - then the lord, who is the controller of the house - then the aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > First lets look at some known charts - Bill Gates for example. D24 Lagna is Meena with the nodes occupying. Jupiter is in the 9th house in Scorpio. You could say law right? This is what his parents wanted him to study. The nodes dominated as they are on lagna and he enrolled to study computer science. Besides Jupiter is a maraka to higher learning and he did not complete any degree, instead he went on to start something called 'microsoft' (?). > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > , Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Michal, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you insist that Sy/Ra parivartana would do absolutely no harm to higher education, then all is perfectly fine. Sy/Ra combination indicates Electronics and communication. .. I am a little bit skeptic on this. This parivartana has strongest influence on 9th bhava among all factors. Ketu is not included, as it has no influence on 9th bhava (no rasi, and of course, no graha dristi). There is Ma/Bu rasi dristi, but as one Graha (Sy) is already occupying 9th bhava, this can only add to the flavor, I don't believe it can completely alter Sy/Ra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I wanted to learn how to use D24, I was told to search for strongest influence on 9th Bhava in following order: 1. graha occupying 9th; 2. If empty, then check for rasi dristis and decide strongest Graha among these, 3. If there are no rasi dristis, decide strongest Graha dristi, 4. If all previously mentioned is not present, check lord of 9th bhava. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is something wrong with this order? > > > > > > > Try to follow it on this chart and tell me what this native had studied: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 28th of September 1966 > > > > > > > 02:15:30 AM > > > > > > > Belgrade, Serbia (20 E 30; 44 N 50), Time zone 01h East of GMT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Siddhamsha lagna is Tula... So shoot It is easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, nearmichal <nearmichal@ ...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nearmichal <nearmichal@ ...> > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 9, 2009, 12:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, Ashish, and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of the 3 options of Taurus, Gemini, and Cancer for siddhamsa lagna - Gemini seems to support the higher education. Both Cancer and Taurus have a very strong influence of Moon and Venus conjoining in Taurus, whereas for Gemini the lagnesh conjoins Mars in Aries which will definitely give an engineering brain. Primary education was not satisfactory as 4th lord is in the 8th from 4th, but then subsequently this combination aspects the 9th house by rasi drsti showing that he would eventually do well in his higher studies. The parivartana occurring in the 9th house is bringing the nodal influence to the house of higher learning which certainly indicates electronics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we initiate D24 Narayana Dasa from the 4th lord of rasi chart then Aries dasa (8th from 4th) is running for the duration of his primary education. Then, from 1993 Taurus dasa which is 4th from the 9th house with planets in digbala showing success in higher studies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we take this to be correct then Dwadasamsa has to stay as Kanya lagna. 4th house is Dhanus showing mother to be very direct and outspoken. Jupiter, the lord, goes to the 9th from the 4th showing that she will have a strong independent spirit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Maja ÃÆ'… trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, different Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Jaipur I was taking in consideration 4min was not much of a change to get to Simha lagna in D24... which supports studies you took because of Mangal and Budh in 9th bhava and rasi dristi of Grahas in Simha, but yes, in that case we do have to move lagna to Vrishchika.. . Pause button please and lets go back to options for Tula lagna for a moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Few things I am sure of regarding your D24: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lagna is not Karka, because with retrograde Sani in Meena you could never study Electronics and communication. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -It can not be Mithuna. As I said before, parivartana would result in dropping out of studies sooner or later, and I am sure there would be financial hardships through out studies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Vrishab lagna... even though high ideals related to studies would be present considering strong placements on lagna, with those nodes n 4th bhava (in parivartana) you would hardly graduate from high school. This is not option. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesh or Simha lagna... shall we flip a coin? No... Instead I will ask you one question privately related to Tula lagna option for your rasi chart. After that we can continue with other events in your life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as conditional dasas, I can not agree more with you for using Vimsottari Dasa before we rectify your chart. It is universal and if this dasa is not supporting events, Udu Dasas are not of much use. I always use Vimsottari first for everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Controlling Graha and excluded Graha from dasa scheme in conditional dasas can match (for example: in Ashtotari-Ketu, Dwadasottari- Sukra), but this is not the case with Dwisaptati Sama Dasa, where controlling Graha is Chandra and excluded Graha is Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 [1 Attachment] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 9, 2009, 5:18 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Attachment( s) from Ashish Mathur included below] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you are taking some incorrect Jaipur city, with the time 6:10 the lagna is in Tula only, attached is the chart.With this data the Rasi Lagna is Libra, Navamsa is Gemini and D-24 is Gemini.Now in order to shift the D-24 lagna to Leo somehow I need to change the time to 6:22:10 which changes the lagna rasi to scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also is the cotrolling graha for Dwisaptati is not Ketu ? However this is also in 8th from AK so might not be the best choice.ÃÆ'‚ I think I will try to analyse all the events in my life with Vimasottari dasa only and come back with all the clarifications and results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No financial difficulties during/ before/ after studies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rafal has also sent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some good points to start with and I will try to complete some analysis tonight and come back with some analysis ( with my limited understanding :-) ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meanwhile here are some events in life which i intend to use for rectification. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Entry to Engineering ( Electronics and Comm. ) : May 1993ÃÆ'‚ 2. Graduation : April - May 19973. Job Start in Mobile engg technology : May 19974. Untimely Death of father : 21-Nov-19985. Marriage : 29-Nov-19996. Job change : May 20007. Moving Abroad to UK : 3 DEc 20008. Birth of SOn : 11-June - 20019. Job Change : 3 - Jan - 2005ÃÆ'‚ 10. Birth of daughter : 05-march-200711. Job Change : 30- June - 2008 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ November 25, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1974Time: ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 6:10:00Time Zone: ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 75 E 49' 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 " ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Jaipur, IndiaAltitude: ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: ÃÆ'‚ Ananda - KarthikaTithi: ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Sukla Ekadasi (Ma) (65.35% left)Vedic Weekday: Sunday (Su)Nakshatra: ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Uttarabhadra (Sa) (27.41% left)Yoga: ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Siddhi (Ma) (86.00% left)Karana: ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Vanija (Ve) (30.70% left)Hora Lord: ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Mercury (5 min sign: Le)Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Aq)Kaala Lord: ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Mercury (Mahakala: Moon)Sunrise: ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 6:56:53 (November 24)Sunset: ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 17:29:31 (November 24)Janma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ghatis: ÃÆ'‚ 58.0465Ayanamsa: ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 23-30-23.35Sidereal Time: 9:57:36Body ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Longitude ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Nakshatra Pada Rasi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NavamsaLagna ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 28 Li 38' 18.78 " Visa ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 3 ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Li ÃÆ'‚ GeSun - DK ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 8 Sc 51' 16.23 " Anu ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 2 ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Sc ÃÆ'‚ ViMoon - PK ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 13 Pi 00' 45.58 " UBha ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 3 > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Pi ÃÆ'‚ LiMars - AK ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 25 Li 25' 19.49 " Visa ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 2 ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Li ÃÆ'‚ TaMercury - AmK ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 25 Li 15' 29.70 " Visa ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 2 ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Li ÃÆ'‚ TaJupiter - MK ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 15 Aq 15' 29.08 " Sata ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 3 ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Aq ÃÆ'‚ AqVenus - PiK > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 13 Sc 26' 53.40 " Anu > > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 4 ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Sc ÃÆ'‚ ScSaturn ® > > > > > > > - BK ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 24 Ge 50' 49.00 " Puna ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Ge ÃÆ'‚ TaRahu - GK ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 17 Sc 02' 35.91 " Jye ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 1 ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Sc ÃÆ'‚ SgKetu ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 17 Ta 02' 35.91 " Rohi ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ 3 ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Ta ÃÆ'‚ Ge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja ÃÆ'… trbac <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 9 November, 2009 12:32:33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's try this again: you are born on 25th of November 1974, you gave 06:10 AM as time of your birth, and it was in Jaipur. With these birth data I get 15 degrees of Vrishchika as your lagna in Rasi (D1) chart. I am using Jagannatha Hora software. Lagna is vargotama (meaning Navamsa (D9) is same as natal lagna). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I move your D24 lagna from Karka to Simha, I get 06:14 AM as your time of birth. It is impossible that D24 lagna shifts from Karka to Simha 15min later (06:25), because after dividing 30 degrees with 24 (which is procedure for D24 calculation) result is 1 degree and 15 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > min (arc min, not time). Convert this result to actual time: 1 degree=approximatel y 4min so 1deg and 15 '=approximately 5min, meaning that D24 lagna shifts approximately every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5min. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even in case of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Simha lagna in D24 (06:14 AM) Navamsa and Rasi lagna are still same (vargotama). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every conditional Dasa is having controlling Graha (something like " karaka Graha " ), usually the one which is excluded from Dasa scheme (like Ketu being excluded in case of Ashtotari Dasa). If ones chart is fulfilling criteria for applying more than one conditional dasa, in that case we must analyse placement of these controlling grahas from Atma Karaka in Rasi chart (there is list of priorities among conditional dasas, but placement of controlling graha must be taken in consideration) . Strongest placements from AK are respectively: kendra (1-4-7-10), panaphara (2-5-8-11) and apoklima (3-6-9-12). Controlling graha for Dwisaptati Sama Dasa is Chandra, which is in apoklima bhava from your AK. This is weak placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna is Vargotama (probably) and in sign of Sukra placement in Navamsa chart... These are conditions for 2 more conditional dasas. Do you have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Vimsotari and Udu Dasa " book (around pg30) or should I continue with this story? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Any significant financial difficulties during studies comparing to before and after studies? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 9, 2009, 2:11 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I change the lagna to Simha in D-24 the time need to shift by 15 mins and it also shifts by Natal Lagna from Libra to Scorpio and changes a whole lot of things. I have never considered scorpio lagna as a possibility and would really need to look from a totaly new perspecitve to see if this works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Moon is in 6th from AK Mars, does this have any bearing on using dwispatati dasa ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can guide me further on rectification of my chart I will discuss all the events and hopefully we can explain all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja ÃÆ'… trbac <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, 8 November, 2009 16:01:49 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think you should give advantage to Mithuna as lagna in your D24. There is parivartana including Surya and Rahu, 3rd is maraka for 9th, Rahu is eclipsing Surya and is inimical towards Guru, karaka for higher education, shortly: with this combination you would have to drop out of studies you started (and if being very lucky perhaps start some other type of studies). If this was not the case (1993 you were 19 years old, so probably not) I think lagna should not be Mithuna. Though Sani in Meena doesn't fit completely to type of studies you took (electronics and communication) ... so... how about Simha lagna? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check your D24 there from. What do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dwisaptati dasa-where is Chandra from your AK in Rasi chart? Shall we use some other conditional dasa? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 [1 Attachment] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, November 8, 2009, 2:04 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swapnil, Thanks for looking however here is my problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am using the dwisaptati sama dasa and in 1993 when I got entrance to engginering the dasa running was Moon - Rahu.ÃÆ'‚ Rahu is in parivartana with Sun, however with Cancer lagna, the sun is in 8th House, ie 12th to 9th and I can't see how this can give intorduction to bachelors education.ÃÆ'‚ Though here the finishing of bachelors is during the dasa of mars-merc which is in 10th house and can show the finish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we go with Gemini Lagna then for the 1993 event when I got entrance the moon is in 4th thus giving an argala and rahu is effectively in 9th only due to parivartana. With the finishing in 1997 I am a bit confised and not sure why Mars-Merc placed in 11th can end > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the course, because they have an argala on Saturn which is 9th Lord ?ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaning more towards the Gemini but since I knowledge is limited so seek guidance from others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,Ashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swaps <gaonkarswapnil@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 7 November, 2009 18:10:37 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since you have mentioned you have completed your engg in 4 yrs and if not gone for further education you can consider cancer as your lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swapnil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to rectify my D-24 however unable to reach a concrete answer, can you please advise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data : 06:10 AM, 25-11-1974, Jaipur Rajasthan India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now with this data the D-24 lagna is Gemini, however if the birth time is 20 seconds late the lagna changes to Cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently the only event I have is entrance to Engineering around June 1993, it was electronics and communications. Graduated out in May 1997. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also a very ordinary student during the school days, the intial years were particularly very bad academically > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Maja, But you haven't mentioned 2nd from UL to show the relationship. In any case, it seems futile to rectify the lagna based on relationship information alone. What about the rest of the person? Regards, Michal , Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Michal, namaste > > In case of Tula lagna things do get a bit complicated. > > I believe that first step in parivartana is to judge priority of Lagna, Paka lagna and Arudha respectively. Here we have Ma/Sk and Ke/Sk parivartana including 3 rashis Vrishabh, Vrishchika and Tula. Lagna is Tula and Paka lagna is Vrishchika, so I do believe that primary parivartana is the one between Sukra and Mangal. (All the way ti this part of the story, same goes for Vrishchika lagna version-lagna and paka lagna) > > Now about Upa Pada... Two versions leading to same rasi: > > A) Vrishchika rasi, dual lordship, so partner should be observed from Mangal or Ketu, whichever is stronger (here we have Mangal yuti Budh plus this is AK) > > B) Parivartana is there, so instead looking at Vrishchika, Tula should be > considered (okay, I can imagine your facial expression after reading this statement... > > So choose: Tula or Tula > > My first thought was that Rahu in 2nd is candidate for health issues to wife (she is pretty much healthy and fine, BTW). Also, 7th, 8th and 9th lord from lagna are all included in combination for loosing wife. Would you not expect with this Mangal and Sukra as 1st, 7th, 8th and 2nd lord from lagna to do some harm to marriage? Kalatra Saapa is there also, Rahu and Surya (shall we exclude parivartana with Mangal for curse and just add some flavor of passion with this rudra yoga?), both in 2nd from UL, this would have to influence sustaining of marriage, at least one of them would have to do something outside of marriage... (Ra-Sk... is there need to define this?). Nothing similar happened. > > How does this sound for a start? > > P.S. Out of curiosity I clicked " new " button in JH the other day while I was thinking of this chart. I got Vrishchika lagna in D9 and UL in Rasi chart was Dhanu. Quick, click the same button, I would love to know what will appear on your screen > > > Warm Regards > Maja Strbac > > > --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Michal <nearmichal wrote: > > Michal <nearmichal > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: > Rectifying my d-24 > > Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 10:13 PM >  > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > Yes it works in this chart also, 9th lord goes to 10th house and shows that direction coming to an end. Venus drsti on the 9th house then comes into effect. > > > > Ashish chart: There is dual parivartana involved with UL so I'm going to have to pass on deciding that one. What to do in this situation? > > > > Regards, > > Michal > > > > , Maja Ã…Â trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Dear Michal, namaste > > > > > > Oh, these rules are all new to me. One more chart, please, please, please. > > > > > > Check this D24: > > > > > > 13th of February 1976. > > > 10:13:04 AM > > > 14 E 13; 45 N 46, Time Zone 01h East of GMT > > > > > > Siddhamsha lagna is Makara. Now, according to these rules bellow, our dear friend is a real superhero (I hope you are recognizing whose chart this is . First She was studying something like business/management /economy, then dropped out within less than a year and studied art after (she graduated). Check out rasi dristi of Sukra in MKS... she is a real lady of guts She is more man than any man I've ever met in my entire life. > > > > > > Can you come back on Ashish's chart for a moment and look at UL, please? Look at it with Tula lagna and then look at it with Vrishchika lagna. In the meanwhile I asked him privately about marriage, and answer is: one and only one partnership so far, this partnership is his wife, marriage was arranged, their relation is pretty much nice and smooth... making long story short, this marriage is good. I am a little bit skeptic that this story can be supported with Tula lagna option. What do you think? > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/10/09, nearmichal <nearmichal@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > nearmichal <nearmichal@ ...> > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 1:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, I had to laugh, all these years and still... > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding the chart - Yes I agree with you, aspect of the nodes on the 9th house is giving electronics. Why not the lord Mercury dominating? It is conjoined 10th lord so will not be able to support higher education. Then we have no option but to look at the aspects. Rahu has drsti on lagnesh as well as the 7th house of PhD. 9th lord itself is not well placed from Lagnesh. > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't forget that the D24 chart is a cosmos. It is just convienient that we have some simple rules to " easily " assess the main themes of the person's education. > > > > > > > > > > > > This illustrates the same point I was making with Bill Gates chart. There are many factors to consider. Again in your chart 9th lord Mars is conjoined 10th lord Jupiter. The rasi drsti of Mercury then dominates. > > > > > > > > > > > > Whenever analysing we are always confronted with many options. But I find generally that people take the path of least resistance. People when choosing their higher education usually do what will be easiest for them, not what will be more challenging. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > , Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear " Jackson " , namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (This exclusive opportunity to speak with you I shall not use to ask questions about afterlife. Instead I would be pleased to read more about your impressions on tribute Madonna dedicated to you on her latest world tour. Did you like it?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Continuing in serious mode-I asked my question first (plus: ladies first ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, open that Siddhamsha I gave you and then answer why this native had studied Electronics and why he is having PhD title in this area? I am not buying it is due to Budha yuti Chandra in Kumbha and it is surely not due to lagnesh Sukra in Karka in 10th bhava. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then after I promise I will discuss further on Bill Gates Siddhamsha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. If I apply these rules you wrote bellow, with Meena lagna in my D24 I should have studied engineering (Mangal as stronger co lord of 9th with Graha dristi on own rasi, yuti lagnesh Guru in Simha... WOW! But...you do remember that twisted story about my higher education? 2 years there, 2 years here, 2 years this, 2 years that... none of this was engineering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/10/09, nearmichal <nearmichal@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nearmichal <nearmichal@ ...> > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 11:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The procedure you are using is fine however it can't be used in isolation. One must take into account above all the Lagnesh as well as the chart as a whole, the progression from the primary learning to the higher etc. I always look at the house and the planets occupying, if none - then the lord, who is the controller of the house - then the aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First lets look at some known charts - Bill Gates for example. D24 Lagna is Meena with the nodes occupying. Jupiter is in the 9th house in Scorpio. You could say law right? This is what his parents wanted him to study. The nodes dominated as they are on lagna and he enrolled to study computer science. Besides Jupiter is a maraka to higher learning and he did not complete any degree, instead he went on to start something called 'microsoft' (?). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Maja ÃÆ'… trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Michal, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you insist that Sy/Ra parivartana would do absolutely no harm to higher education, then all is perfectly fine. Sy/Ra combination indicates Electronics and communication. .. I am a little bit skeptic on this. This parivartana has strongest influence on 9th bhava among all factors. Ketu is not included, as it has no influence on 9th bhava (no rasi, and of course, no graha dristi). There is Ma/Bu rasi dristi, but as one Graha (Sy) is already occupying 9th bhava, this can only add to the flavor, I don't believe it can completely alter Sy/Ra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I wanted to learn how to use D24, I was told to search for strongest influence on 9th Bhava in following order: 1. graha occupying 9th; 2. If empty, then check for rasi dristis and decide strongest Graha among these, 3. If there are no rasi dristis, decide strongest Graha dristi, 4. If all previously mentioned is not present, check lord of 9th bhava. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is something wrong with this order? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to follow it on this chart and tell me what this native had studied: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 28th of September 1966 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 02:15:30 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Belgrade, Serbia (20 E 30; 44 N 50), Time zone 01h East of GMT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Siddhamsha lagna is Tula... So shoot It is easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, nearmichal <nearmichal@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nearmichal <nearmichal@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 9, 2009, 12:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, Ashish, and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of the 3 options of Taurus, Gemini, and Cancer for siddhamsa lagna - Gemini seems to support the higher education. Both Cancer and Taurus have a very strong influence of Moon and Venus conjoining in Taurus, whereas for Gemini the lagnesh conjoins Mars in Aries which will definitely give an engineering brain. Primary education was not satisfactory as 4th lord is in the 8th from 4th, but then subsequently this combination aspects the 9th house by rasi drsti showing that he would eventually do well in his higher studies. The parivartana occurring in the 9th house is bringing the nodal influence to the house of higher learning which certainly indicates electronics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we initiate D24 Narayana Dasa from the 4th lord of rasi chart then Aries dasa (8th from 4th) is running for the duration of his primary education. Then, from 1993 Taurus dasa which is 4th from the 9th house with planets in digbala showing success in higher studies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we take this to be correct then Dwadasamsa has to stay as Kanya lagna. 4th house is Dhanus showing mother to be very direct and outspoken. Jupiter, the lord, goes to the 9th from the 4th showing that she will have a strong independent spirit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Maja ÃÆ'Æ'…ÃÆ'‚ trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, different Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Jaipur I was taking in consideration 4min was not much of a change to get to Simha lagna in D24... which supports studies you took because of Mangal and Budh in 9th bhava and rasi dristi of Grahas in Simha, but yes, in that case we do have to move lagna to Vrishchika.. . Pause button please and lets go back to options for Tula lagna for a moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Few things I am sure of regarding your D24: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lagna is not Karka, because with retrograde Sani in Meena you could never study Electronics and communication. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -It can not be Mithuna. As I said before, parivartana would result in dropping out of studies sooner or later, and I am sure there would be financial hardships through out studies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Vrishab lagna... even though high ideals related to studies would be present considering strong placements on lagna, with those nodes n 4th bhava (in parivartana) you would hardly graduate from high school. This is not option. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesh or Simha lagna... shall we flip a coin? No... Instead I will ask you one question privately related to Tula lagna option for your rasi chart. After that we can continue with other events in your life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as conditional dasas, I can not agree more with you for using Vimsottari Dasa before we rectify your chart. It is universal and if this dasa is not supporting events, Udu Dasas are not of much use. I always use Vimsottari first for everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Controlling Graha and excluded Graha from dasa scheme in conditional dasas can match (for example: in Ashtotari-Ketu, Dwadasottari- Sukra), but this is not the case with Dwisaptati Sama Dasa, where controlling Graha is Chandra and excluded Graha is Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 [1 Attachment] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 9, 2009, 5:18 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Attachment( s) from Ashish Mathur included below] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you are taking some incorrect Jaipur city, with the time 6:10 the lagna is in Tula only, attached is the chart.With this data the Rasi Lagna is Libra, Navamsa is Gemini and D-24 is Gemini.Now in order to shift the D-24 lagna to Leo somehow I need to change the time to 6:22:10 which changes the lagna rasi to scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also is the cotrolling graha for Dwisaptati is not Ketu ? However this is also in 8th from AK so might not be the best choice.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ I think I will try to analyse all the events in my life with Vimasottari dasa only and come back with all the clarifications and results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No financial difficulties during/ before/ after studies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rafal has also sent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some good points to start with and I will try to complete some analysis tonight and come back with some analysis ( with my limited understanding :-) ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meanwhile here are some events in life which i intend to use for rectification. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Entry to Engineering ( Electronics and Comm. ) : May 1993ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 2. Graduation : April - May 19973. Job Start in Mobile engg technology : May 19974. Untimely Death of father : 21-Nov-19985. Marriage : 29-Nov-19996. Job change : May 20007. Moving Abroad to UK : 3 DEc 20008. Birth of SOn : 11-June - 20019. Job Change : 3 - Jan - 2005ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 10. Birth of daughter : 05-march-200711. Job Change : 30- June - 2008 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ November 25, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1974Time: ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 6:10:00Time Zone: ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 75 E 49' 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 " ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Jaipur, IndiaAltitude: ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 0.00 > metersLunar Yr-Mo: ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Ananda - KarthikaTithi: ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Sukla Ekadasi (Ma) (65.35% left)Vedic Weekday: Sunday (Su)Nakshatra: ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Uttarabhadra (Sa) (27.41% left)Yoga: ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Siddhi (Ma) (86.00% left)Karana: ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Vanija (Ve) (30.70% left)Hora Lord: ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Mercury (5 min sign: Le)Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Aq)Kaala Lord: ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Mercury (Mahakala: Moon)Sunrise: ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 6:56:53 (November 24)Sunset: ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 17:29:31 (November 24)Janma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ghatis: ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 58.0465Ayanamsa: ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 23-30-23.35Sidereal Time: 9:57:36Body ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Longitude ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Nakshatra Pada Rasi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NavamsaLagna ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 28 Li 38' 18.78 " Visa ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 3 ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Li ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ GeSun - DK ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 8 Sc > 51' 16.23 " Anu ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 2 ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Sc ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ViMoon - PK ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 13 Pi 00' 45.58 " UBha ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 3 > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Pi ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ LiMars - AK ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 25 Li 25' 19.49 " Visa ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 2 ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Li ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ TaMercury - AmK ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 25 Li 15' 29.70 " Visa ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 2 ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Li ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ TaJupiter - MK ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 15 Aq 15' 29.08 " Sata ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 3 ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Aq ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ AqVenus - PiK > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 13 Sc 26' 53.40 " Anu > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 4 ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Sc ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ScSaturn ® > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - BK ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 24 Ge 50' 49.00 " Puna ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Ge ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ TaRahu - GK ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 17 Sc 02' 35.91 " Jye ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 1 ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Sc ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ SgKetu ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 17 Ta 02' 35.91 " Rohi ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 3 ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Ta ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Ge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja ÃÆ'Æ'…ÃÆ'‚ trbac <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 9 November, 2009 12:32:33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's try this again: you are born on 25th of November 1974, you gave 06:10 AM as time of your birth, and it was in Jaipur. With these birth data I get 15 degrees of Vrishchika as your lagna in Rasi (D1) chart. I am using Jagannatha Hora software. Lagna is vargotama (meaning Navamsa (D9) is same as natal lagna). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I move your D24 lagna from Karka to Simha, I get 06:14 AM as your time of birth. It is impossible that D24 lagna shifts from Karka to Simha 15min later (06:25), because after dividing 30 degrees with 24 (which is procedure for D24 calculation) result is 1 degree and 15 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > min (arc min, not time). Convert this result to actual time: 1 degree=approximatel y 4min so 1deg and 15 '=approximately 5min, meaning that D24 lagna shifts approximately every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5min. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even in case of%3 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Guru Rafal,Pranam, Sorry for entering this thread. I have come on the group after a long time. Feeling fine and settled now with His grace. With my best regards and wishes. Raj Bhardwaj Sh Aditya Jyotish Anusandhan Kendra Dera Bassi,Mohali (Panjab)-India also find me at www.liveperson.com.indoastro-Raj , RafaÅ‚ Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > Dear Michael, > > Out of curiosity: how you know its Meena the Lagna in Siddhams for Bill > Gates? > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > SJC Jyotish Guru > -------------- > /*Consultations & Pages* > http://rohinaa.com > rafal > starsuponme / > > > nearmichal pisze: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > The procedure you are using is fine however it can't be used in > > isolation. One must take into account above all the Lagnesh as well as > > the chart as a whole, the progression from the primary learning to the > > higher etc. I always look at the house and the planets occupying, if > > none - then the lord, who is the controller of the house - then the > > aspects. > > > > First lets look at some known charts - Bill Gates for example. D24 > > Lagna is Meena with the nodes occupying. Jupiter is in the 9th house > > in Scorpio. You could say law right? This is what his parents wanted > > him to study. The nodes dominated as they are on lagna and he enrolled > > to study computer science. Besides Jupiter is a maraka to higher > > learning and he did not complete any degree, instead he went on to > > start something called 'microsoft' (?). > > > > Regards, > > Michal > > > > > > <%40>, Maja Ã… trbac > > <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Dear Michal, namaste > > > > > > If you insist that Sy/Ra parivartana would do absolutely no harm to > > higher education, then all is perfectly fine. Sy/Ra combination > > indicates Electronics and communication. .. I am a little bit skeptic > > on this. This parivartana has strongest influence on 9th bhava among > > all factors. Ketu is not included, as it has no influence on 9th bhava > > (no rasi, and of course, no graha dristi). There is Ma/Bu rasi dristi, > > but as one Graha (Sy) is already occupying 9th bhava, this can only > > add to the flavor, I don't believe it can completely alter Sy/Ra. > > > > > > When I wanted to learn how to use D24, I was told to search for > > strongest influence on 9th Bhava in following order: 1. graha > > occupying 9th; 2. If empty, then check for rasi dristis and decide > > strongest Graha among these, 3. If there are no rasi dristis, decide > > strongest Graha dristi, 4. If all previously mentioned is not present, > > check lord of 9th bhava. > > > > > > Is something wrong with this order? > > > Try to follow it on this chart and tell me what this native had studied: > > > > > > 28th of September 1966 > > > 02:15:30 AM > > > Belgrade, Serbia (20 E 30; 44 N 50), Time zone 01h East of GMT > > > > > > Siddhamsha lagna is Tula... So shoot It is easy. > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, nearmichal <nearmichal@ ...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > nearmichal <nearmichal@ ...> > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > <%40> > > > Monday, November 9, 2009, 12:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, Ashish, and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > Of the 3 options of Taurus, Gemini, and Cancer for siddhamsa lagna - > > Gemini seems to support the higher education. Both Cancer and Taurus > > have a very strong influence of Moon and Venus conjoining in Taurus, > > whereas for Gemini the lagnesh conjoins Mars in Aries which will > > definitely give an engineering brain. Primary education was not > > satisfactory as 4th lord is in the 8th from 4th, but then subsequently > > this combination aspects the 9th house by rasi drsti showing that he > > would eventually do well in his higher studies. The parivartana > > occurring in the 9th house is bringing the nodal influence to the > > house of higher learning which certainly indicates electronics. > > > > > > > > > > > > If we initiate D24 Narayana Dasa from the 4th lord of rasi chart > > then Aries dasa (8th from 4th) is running for the duration of his > > primary education. Then, from 1993 Taurus dasa which is 4th from the > > 9th house with planets in digbala showing success in higher studies. > > > > > > > > > > > > If we take this to be correct then Dwadasamsa has to stay as Kanya > > lagna. 4th house is Dhanus showing mother to be very direct and > > outspoken. Jupiter, the lord, goes to the 9th from the 4th showing > > that she will have a strong independent spirit. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > , Maja Ã…Â trbac > > <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, different Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Jaipur I was taking in consideration 4min was not much of a > > change to get to Simha lagna in D24... which supports studies you took > > because of Mangal and Budh in 9th bhava and rasi dristi of Grahas in > > Simha, but yes, in that case we do have to move lagna to Vrishchika.. > > . Pause button please and lets go back to options for Tula lagna for a > > moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Few things I am sure of regarding your D24: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lagna is not Karka, because with retrograde Sani in Meena you > > could never study Electronics and communication. > > > > > > > -It can not be Mithuna. As I said before, parivartana would result > > in dropping out of studies sooner or later, and I am sure there would > > be financial hardships through out studies. > > > > > > > -Vrishab lagna... even though high ideals related to studies would > > be present considering strong placements on lagna, with those nodes n > > 4th bhava (in parivartana) you would hardly graduate from high school. > > This is not option. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesh or Simha lagna... shall we flip a coin? No... Instead I will > > ask you one question privately related to Tula lagna option for your > > rasi chart. After that we can continue with other events in your life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as conditional dasas, I can not agree more with you for > > using Vimsottari Dasa before we rectify your chart. It is universal > > and if this dasa is not supporting events, Udu Dasas are not of much > > use. I always use Vimsottari first for everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Controlling Graha and excluded Graha from dasa scheme in > > conditional dasas can match (for example: in Ashtotari-Ketu, > > Dwadasottari- Sukra), but this is not the case with Dwisaptati Sama > > Dasa, where controlling Graha is Chandra and excluded Graha is Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ ...> > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 [1 Attachment] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 9, 2009, 5:18 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Attachment( s) from Ashish Mathur included below] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > > I think you are taking some incorrect Jaipur city, with the time > > 6:10 the lagna is in Tula only, attached is the chart.With this data > > the Rasi Lagna is Libra, Navamsa is Gemini and D-24 is Gemini.Now in > > order to shift the D-24 lagna to Leo somehow I need to change the time > > to 6:22:10 which changes the lagna rasi to scorpio. > > > > > > > Also is the cotrolling graha for Dwisaptati is not Ketu ? However > > this is also in 8th from AK so might not be the best choice. I > > think I will try to analyse all the events in my life with Vimasottari > > dasa only and come back with all the clarifications and results. > > > > > > > No financial difficulties during/ before/ after studies. > > > > > > > Rafal has also sent > > > > > > > some good points to start with and I will try to complete some > > analysis tonight and come back with some analysis ( with my limited > > understanding :-) ) > > > > > > > In the meanwhile here are some events in life which i intend to > > use for rectification. > > > > > > > 1. Entry to Engineering ( Electronics and Comm. ) : May 1993 2. > > Graduation : April - May 19973. Job Start in Mobile engg technology : > > May 19974. Untimely Death of father : 21-Nov-19985. Marriage : > > 29-Nov-19996. Job change : May 20007. Moving Abroad to UK : 3 DEc > > 20008. Birth of SOn : 11-June - 20019. Job Change : 3 - Jan - > > 2005 10. Birth of daughter : 05-march-200711. Job Change : 30- June > > - 2008 > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Ashish > > > > > > >      November 25, > > > > > > > 1974Time:     > > > > > > >  6:10:00Time Zone:   5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place:  > >    75 E 49' 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 "       > >   Jaipur, IndiaAltitude:    0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: > >  Ananda - KarthikaTithi:     Sukla Ekadasi (Ma) > > (65.35% left)Vedic Weekday: Sunday (Su)Nakshatra:   > > Uttarabhadra (Sa) (27.41% left)Yoga:      Siddhi > > (Ma) (86.00% left)Karana:     Vanija (Ve) (30.70% > > left)Hora Lord:   Mercury (5 min sign: Le)Mahakala Hora: > > Mercury (5 min sign: Aq)Kaala Lord:   Mercury (Mahakala: > > Moon)Sunrise:    6:56:53 (November 24)Sunset:   > >   17:29:31 (November 24)Janma > > > > > > > Ghatis:  58.0465Ayanamsa:    23-30-23.35Sidereal > > Time: 9:57:36Body         Longitude > >     Nakshatra Pada Rasi > > > > > > > NavamsaLagna        28 Li 38' 18.78 " > > Visa    3   Li  GeSun - DK     > >   8 Sc 51' 16.23 " Anu    2   Sc  ViMoon > > - PK      13 Pi 00' 45.58 " UBha    3 > >   Pi  LiMars - AK      25 Li 25' 19.49 " > > Visa    2   Li  TaMercury - AmK    > > 25 Li 15' 29.70 " Visa    2   Li  TaJupiter - MK > >     15 Aq 15' 29.08 " Sata    3   Aq > >  AqVenus - PiK     13 Sc 26' 53.40 " Anu   > >  4   Sc  ScSaturn ® > > > - BK   24 Ge 50' 49.00 " Puna    2 > > > > > > >   Ge  TaRahu - GK      17 Sc 02' > > 35.91 " Jye    1   Sc  SgKetu    > >      17 Ta 02' 35.91 " Rohi    3  > >  Ta  Ge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja Ã…Â trbac <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 9 November, 2009 12:32:33 > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's try this again: you are born on 25th of November 1974, you > > gave 06:10 AM as time of your birth, and it was in Jaipur. With these > > birth data I get 15 degrees of Vrishchika as your lagna in Rasi (D1) > > chart. I am using Jagannatha Hora software. Lagna is vargotama > > (meaning Navamsa (D9) is same as natal lagna). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I move your D24 lagna from Karka to Simha, I get 06:14 AM as > > your time of birth. It is impossible that D24 lagna shifts from Karka > > to Simha 15min later (06:25), because after dividing 30 degrees with > > 24 (which is procedure for D24 calculation) result is 1 degree and 15 > > > > > > > min (arc min, not time). Convert this result to actual time: 1 > > degree=approximatel y 4min so 1deg and 15 '=approximately 5min, > > meaning that D24 lagna shifts approximately every > > > > > > > 5min. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even in case of > > > > > > > Simha lagna in D24 (06:14 AM) Navamsa and Rasi lagna are still > > same (vargotama). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every conditional Dasa is having controlling Graha (something like > > " karaka Graha " ), usually the one which is excluded from Dasa scheme > > (like Ketu being excluded in case of Ashtotari Dasa). If ones chart is > > fulfilling criteria for applying more than one conditional dasa, in > > that case we must analyse placement of these controlling grahas from > > Atma Karaka in Rasi chart (there is list of priorities among > > conditional dasas, but placement of controlling graha must be taken in > > consideration) . Strongest placements from AK are respectively: kendra > > (1-4-7-10), panaphara (2-5-8-11) and apoklima (3-6-9-12). Controlling > > graha for Dwisaptati Sama Dasa is Chandra, which is in apoklima bhava > > from your AK. This is weak placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna is Vargotama (probably) and in sign of Sukra placement in > > Navamsa chart... These are conditions for 2 more conditional dasas. Do > > you have > > > > > > > " Vimsotari and Udu Dasa " book (around pg30) or should I continue > > with this story? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Any significant financial difficulties during studies > > comparing to before and after studies? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 9, 2009, 2:11 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > > If I change the lagna to Simha in D-24 the time need to shift by > > 15 mins and it also shifts by Natal Lagna from Libra to Scorpio and > > changes a whole lot of things. I have never considered scorpio lagna > > as a possibility and would really need to look from a totaly new > > perspecitve to see if this works. > > > > > > > The Moon is in 6th from AK Mars, does this have any bearing on > > using dwispatati dasa ? > > > > > > > If you can guide me further on rectification of my chart I will > > discuss all the events and hopefully we can explain all. > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Ashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja Ã…Â trbac <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, 8 November, 2009 16:01:49 > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think you should give advantage to Mithuna as lagna in > > your D24. There is parivartana including Surya and Rahu, 3rd is maraka > > for 9th, Rahu is eclipsing Surya and is inimical towards Guru, karaka > > for higher education, shortly: with this combination you would have to > > drop out of studies you started (and if being very lucky perhaps start > > some other type of studies). If this was not the case (1993 you were > > 19 years old, so probably not) I think lagna should not be Mithuna. > > Though Sani in Meena doesn't fit completely to type of studies you > > took (electronics and communication) ... so... how about Simha lagna? > > > > > > > Check your D24 there from. What do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dwisaptati dasa-where is Chandra from your AK in Rasi chart? Shall > > we use some other conditional dasa? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish Mathur <ashishmathur1008@ > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 [1 Attachment] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, November 8, 2009, 2:04 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swapnil, Thanks for looking however here is my problem. > > > > > > > I am using the dwisaptati sama dasa and in 1993 when I got > > entrance to engginering the dasa running was Moon - Rahu. Rahu is > > in parivartana with Sun, however with Cancer lagna, the sun is in 8th > > House, ie 12th to 9th and I can't see how this can give intorduction > > to bachelors education. Though here the finishing of bachelors is > > during the dasa of mars-merc which is in 10th house and can show the > > finish. > > > > > > > If we go with Gemini Lagna then for the 1993 event when I got > > entrance the moon is in 4th thus giving an argala and rahu is > > effectively in 9th only due to parivartana. With the finishing in 1997 > > I am a bit confised and not sure why Mars-Merc placed in 11th can end > > > > > > > the course, because they have an argala on Saturn which is 9th > > Lord ? > > > > > > > I am leaning more towards the Gemini but since I knowledge is > > limited so seek guidance from others. > > > > > > > Regards,Ashish > > > > > > > Swaps <gaonkarswapnil@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 7 November, 2009 18:10:37 > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rectifying my d-24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since you have mentioned you have completed your engg in 4 yrs and > > if not gone for further education you can consider cancer as your lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swapnil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Ashish Mathur > > <ashishmathur1008@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to rectify my D-24 however unable to reach a > > concrete answer, can you please advise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data : 06:10 AM, 25-11-1974, Jaipur Rajasthan India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now with this data the D-24 lagna is Gemini, however if the > > birth time is 20 seconds late the lagna changes to Cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently the only event I have is entrance to Engineering > > around June 1993, it was electronics and communications. Graduated out > > in May 1997. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also a very ordinary student during the school days, the intial > > years were particularly very bad academically > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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