Please help in a birthtime rectification

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OM GURAVE NAMAH

Dear Gauranga,

Based on a Prasna Chart at 7:41 AM today at Delhi, the description you have

given & info, the Lagna is Dhanus and Birth time is 9:14' AM tentatively.

Perfection can mean another check to fine tune to about a minute or two (+)

only. Details later. Use this time. He will do well in Vajra Yuddha and ask

him not to give this up.

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

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Gauranga Das <gauranga

<varahamihira >

Sunday, January 07, 2001 10:17 AM

[sri Guru] Please help in a birthtime rectification

 

 

>

> JAYA JAGANNATHA!

>

> Dear Gurudeva ad Jyotisha,

>

> Pranaams.

>

> I need help in a birthtime rectification. The native is male, born on 28th

November in

> 1974 in Budapest (19E04 47N30) GMT +1. Time unknown.

>

> A few life data:

>

> His parents were acrobats in a circus. His father liked to drink alcohol,

and once when he

> was drunk, he hit his wife, who fell off the chair and lost consciousness.

He thought that

> she died, and decided to commit suicide by turning on the gas cooker and

inhaling the gas.

> Finally both of them died because of the gas. This happened in 1977. The

boy was raised by

> his grandmother. He became a devotee of Krishna in 1996 and received

Diksha in September

> 1999. He is working in Govinda's vegetarian restaurant in Budapest. He

drives a car and

> does the shopping for the restaurant. He likes sports and martial arts

very much. He has

> blonde hair, blue eyes and a very muscular body, but not fatty. He is

practicing Vedic

> martial arts called Shirayan Vajramutti or something.

>

> Can any of the list members help me identifying his Lagna?

>

> Yours,

>

> Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

> <gauranga

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JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

Dear Gurudeva,

 

Pranaams.

 

Thank you for help.

 

Your shishya,

 

Gauranga das

 

>

> OM GURAVE NAMAH

> Dear Gauranga,

> Based on a Prasna Chart at 7:41 AM today at Delhi, the description you have

> given & info, the Lagna is Dhanus and Birth time is 9:14' AM tentatively.

> Perfection can mean another check to fine tune to about a minute or two (+)

> only. Details later. Use this time. He will do well in Vajra Yuddha and ask

> him not to give this up.

> Best Wishes

> Sanjay Rath

> -

> Gauranga Das <gauranga

> <varahamihira >

> Sunday, January 07, 2001 10:17 AM

> [sri Guru] Please help in a birthtime rectification

>

>

> >

> > JAYA JAGANNATHA!

> >

> > Dear Gurudeva ad Jyotisha,

> >

> > Pranaams.

> >

> > I need help in a birthtime rectification. The native is male, born on 28th

> November in

> > 1974 in Budapest (19E04 47N30) GMT +1. Time unknown.

> >

> > A few life data:

> >

> > His parents were acrobats in a circus. His father liked to drink alcohol,

> and once when he

> > was drunk, he hit his wife, who fell off the chair and lost consciousness.

> He thought that

> > she died, and decided to commit suicide by turning on the gas cooker and

> inhaling the gas.

> > Finally both of them died because of the gas. This happened in 1977. The

> boy was raised by

> > his grandmother. He became a devotee of Krishna in 1996 and received

> Diksha in September

> > 1999. He is working in Govinda's vegetarian restaurant in Budapest. He

> drives a car and

> > does the shopping for the restaurant. He likes sports and martial arts

> very much. He has

> > blonde hair, blue eyes and a very muscular body, but not fatty. He is

> practicing Vedic

> > martial arts called Shirayan Vajramutti or something.

> >

> > Can any of the list members help me identifying his Lagna?

> >

> > Yours,

> >

> > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

> > <gauranga

>

>

>

> OM TAT SAT

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> Info: varahamihira/info.html

>

>

>

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Om Hrim Hamsa Soham SwahaDear Gauranga,

That is not the end. Now try to say why I chose this Lagna and time.

With Best WishesSanjay Rath

 

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Gauranga Das

varahamihira

Wednesday, January 10, 2001 3:19 AM

Re: [sri Guru] Please help in a birthtime rectification

JAYA JAGANNATHA!Dear Gurudeva,Pranaams.Thank you for help.Your shishya,Gauranga das> > OM GURAVE NAMAH> Dear Gauranga,> Based on a Prasna Chart at 7:41 AM today at Delhi, the description you have> given & info, the Lagna is Dhanus and Birth time is 9:14' AM tentatively.> Perfection can mean another check to fine tune to about a minute or two (+)> only. Details later. Use this time. He will do well in Vajra Yuddha and ask> him not to give this up.> Best Wishes> Sanjay Rath> -> Gauranga Das <gauranga> <varahamihira >> Sunday, January 07, 2001 10:17 AM> [sri Guru] Please help in a birthtime rectification> > > >> > JAYA JAGANNATHA!> >> > Dear Gurudeva ad Jyotisha,> >> > Pranaams.> >> > I need help in a birthtime rectification. The native is male, born on 28th> November in> > 1974 in Budapest (19E04 47N30) GMT +1. Time unknown.> >> > A few life data:> >> > His parents were acrobats in a circus. His father liked to drink alcohol,> and once when he> > was drunk, he hit his wife, who fell off the chair and lost consciousness.> He thought that> > she died, and decided to commit suicide by turning on the gas cooker and> inhaling the gas.> > Finally both of them died because of the gas. This happened in 1977. The> boy was raised by> > his grandmother. He became a devotee of Krishna in 1996 and received> Diksha in September> > 1999. He is working in Govinda's vegetarian restaurant in Budapest. He> drives a car and> > does the shopping for the restaurant. He likes sports and martial arts> very much. He has> > blonde hair, blue eyes and a very muscular body, but not fatty. He is> practicing Vedic> > martial arts called Shirayan Vajramutti or something.> >> > Can any of the list members help me identifying his Lagna?> >> > Yours,> >> > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer> > <gauranga> > > > OM TAT SAT> Archive: varahamihira> Info: varahamihira/info.html> > > OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.html

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JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

Dear Gurudeva,

 

Pranaams.

Om Hrim Hamsa Soham SwahaDear Gauranga,

 

That is not the end. Now try to say why I chose this Lagna and time.

 

I will try to explain his life events on the basis of the chart that you gave.

 

> >> > His parents were acrobats in a circus.

 

Varnada of 9th house is in Capricorn. Its lord saturn is retrograde in Gemini, indicating setbacks in career of father and a shudric activity like being an acrobat (Saturn rules muscles and Gemini is a dual sign). Varnada of 4th house is in Pisces, and its lord Jupiter is in Aquarius, which is again airy sign. His mother may have been the one who was trown up and down, sho she encountered more risk as Aquarius is a risky sign under the infleunce of Rahu. Jupiter indicates that mother was more pious than the father.

 

His father liked to drink alcohol,> and once when he> > was drunk, he hit his wife, who fell off the chair and lost consciousness.

Naisargika Pitri Karak is Sun, which conjoins deb. Rahu in Scorpio. This may bring alcohol addiction. The 12th house of this chart is rather afflicted. Rahu is only 4 degrees away from Sun, and Mercury is also slightly combust. All this in the 12th house may indicate loss of parents. Sun is also 9th house lord. Chara Pitrikarak Jupiter is also disposited by Rahu. Naisargika Matrukarak Moon receives aspect of the 4 planets in 12th house, which coudl indicate the fahter beating the mother. Mercury is Badhakesh from the 4th house and also joins the combination. In D-12, 9th house lord Mars aspects 4th house and disposits its lord also. This may indicate agression of father towards mother. 9th house being in Scorpio with Mercury and Ketu may again indicate alcohol consumption. Saturn benig in Lagna may indicate the boy becoming an orphan. From the chart it looks like he was raised by his patrenal grandmother indicated by 12th house. Its lord Saturn is in lagna and Moon is in the 12th.

 

> He thought that> > she died, and decided to commit suicide by turning on the gas cooker and> inhaling the gas.> > Finally both of them died because of the gas. This happened in 1977.

 

The 10th house from D-12 Lagna is Maraka sthan for both parents. it's aspected by Sun, Saturn and Mars, indicating hitting the wife (Mars), turning on the gas cooker (Sun) and inhaling gas (Saturn).

In Rasi, both Sthira karakas for father are in 12th house, conjoined by Rahu indicating problems and early loss of father. All of them plus Ketu give aspect on 3rd from it, indicating suicide. Mother's sthira karaka would be mars I guess as it's the Atmakaraka, so stronger than Moon. The 8th from it has Ketu and its lord Venus conjoins the combination in the 12th. The whole thing happened in Sun-Rahu Vimsottari, possibly Scorpio-Capricorn Narayan dasa.

 

It happened in Pisces-Gemini Matri Shoola Dasa (Pisces is in trines from Matri Rudra (Venus) and Gemini is in trines from Sthira Matri karaka Mars). The lords of 1st, 8th and 10th from 4th house are Jupiter and Venus. Jupiter is in Dusthana and disposited and aspected by a malefic, and Venus conjoins the dreadful combination in the 12th. So mother's logevity is negligible, thereofre she passed away in the 1st Shoola Dasa of the native.

 

Pitri Shoola Dasa was of Aquarius/Taurus. This I cannot explain with the rules that I know.

 

 

The> boy was raised by> > his grandmother. He became a devotee of Krishna in 1996 and received> Diksha in September

 

Drig Dasa of Libra began in 1996. It has his Atmakaraka Mars. Diksha was in Cancer/Scorpio. Cancer's lord Moon is in 5th house, and it's oppoiste A5 in Capricorn, which is also lorded by Bhratrikarak Saturn. Scorpio has A9 and Mercury which is naisargika Karaka for discipleship.

 

Moon is in 9th from D-20 Lagna, indicating a devotee of Krishna.

> > 1999. He is working in Govinda's vegetarian restaurant in Budapest. He> drives a car and> > does the shopping for the restaurant. He likes sports and martial arts> very much. He has

 

A10 is in Capricorn (driving etc.). D-10 lagna is Aquarius having Saturn in it, also indicates serving duties. Here A10 is in pisces, may indicate work connected with vegetarian food.

> > blonde hair, blue eyes and a very muscular body, but not fatty.

 

Lagna in Sagittarius would give these light colors, plus muscles by paka lagna in Aquarius. Pisces woudl have given a more fatty person.

 

He is> practicing Vedic> > martial arts called Shirayan Vajramutti or something.

Atmakaraka is Mars, so his idea is to protect the devotees. Varnada Lagna is in Virgo, and its lord conjoins Sun and Rahu in Scorpio in 12th house of secret enemies. thsi gives him the inclination to martial arts.

 

Your shishya,

Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer <gauranga Phone:+36-309-140-839

> > Can any of the list members help me identifying his Lagna?> >> > Yours,> >> > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer> > <gauranga> > > > OM TAT SAT> Archive: varahamihira> Info: varahamihira/info.html> > > OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.htmlOM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.html

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JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

Dear Visti,

 

Namaste.

 

 

om Krishna Guru

 

Dear Gauranga, Namaste.

 

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The 10th house from D-12 Lagna is Maraka sthan for both parents. it's aspected by Sun, Saturn and Mars, indicating hitting the wife (Mars), turning on the gas cooker (Sun) and inhaling gas (Saturn).

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Shouldnt the circumstances helping towards death be seen through argalas to the maraka sthana, for each parent?

 

I like your analysis, but the idea that Aspects indicate the event and argalas help the event come to life, through the necessary means.

 

I'm just on the way to understanding difference between Argala and Dristi myself. But I think that in this case aspects would indicate the way of death, while Argala would indicate whether he it his wife badly or not so badly, the gas cooker was new or old etc. But I would like to see your attempt also or others' comments on this. I have not really seen methods for analysing death fo parents from D-12, although it should be indicated there also.

 

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AUM SRI GURUVE NAMAH

Dear Visti!

 

I am not clear, what makes you think that, 10th from D-12 is the maraka

sthana for parents. It should be karma sthana for them.

 

Regards

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JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

Dear Sarajit,

 

Namaste.

 

 

> AUM SRI GURUVE NAMAH

> Dear Visti!

>

> I am not clear, what makes you think that, 10th from D-12 is the maraka

> sthana for parents. It should be karma sthana for them.

>

 

Lagna in D-10 does not represent the parents, but the native himself in his

relationships

with parents and grandparents. So 10th in D-10 would at most be the Karma Sthan

for the

native who works together with his parents or if there's some relationship

between his

career and parents. On the other hand, 4th in D-10 represents the mother, and

9th

represents the father. Maraka Sthan is always the 2nd and 7th from the house in

question.

So it's the 5th and 10th for mother, and the 10th and 3rd for father (all

counted from

lagna). So I chose the 10th house because it's Maraka Sthan for both parents,

and it

seemed reasonable for death happening together. Also if we accept mother's

Sthira Karaka

to be Mars, then all the four planets including the father's two sthira karakas

are in 2nd

from it in Rasi. But I don't know whether it's a valid metohd to look at the

Maraka

Sthanas from the Sthira Karakas. Jaimini says that the 8th/3rd from them shuld

be seen for

the way of death, although maybe the Maraka Sthans could be used for timing the

event?

 

I would like other Gurus to clarify this last question.

 

Yours,

 

Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

<gauranga

Phone:+36-309-140-839

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AUM SRI GURUVE NAMAH

Dear Gauranga!

 

Thanks for pointing out that, lagna in d-12 doesn't represent the lagna of

parents but represent the native w.r.t. his parents.. This will show

different influence on the native due to his parents. But I think one

should take the sthirakaraka for judging death and not the 4th and 9th

house. 4th and 9th houses should be taken for general issues concerning

parents......

 

Dear Narasimha! I didn't get your article in ESP on Kaakas... Can anyone

give me insight how the different karakas can be used...i am still

confused....... how the charakarakas and naisargika karakas are used....

 

 

Regards

sarajit

 

 

 

 

 

At 02:41 PM 1/14/01 +0100, you wrote:

>JAYA JAGANNATHA!

>

>Dear Sarajit,

>

>Namaste.

>

>

>> AUM SRI GURUVE NAMAH

>> Dear Visti!

>>

>> I am not clear, what makes you think that, 10th from D-12 is the maraka

>> sthana for parents. It should be karma sthana for them.

>>

>

>Lagna in D-10 does not represent the parents, but the native himself in

his relationships

>with parents and grandparents. So 10th in D-10 would at most be the Karma

Sthan for the

>native who works together with his parents or if there's some relationship

between his

>career and parents. On the other hand, 4th in D-10 represents the mother,

and 9th

>represents the father. Maraka Sthan is always the 2nd and 7th from the

house in question.

>So it's the 5th and 10th for mother, and the 10th and 3rd for father (all

counted from

>lagna). So I chose the 10th house because it's Maraka Sthan for both

parents, and it

>seemed reasonable for death happening together. Also if we accept mother's

Sthira Karaka

>to be Mars, then all the four planets including the father's two sthira

karakas are in 2nd

>from it in Rasi. But I don't know whether it's a valid metohd to look at

the Maraka

>Sthanas from the Sthira Karakas. Jaimini says that the 8th/3rd from them

shuld be seen for

>the way of death, although maybe the Maraka Sthans could be used for

timing the event?

>

>I would like other Gurus to clarify this last question.

>

>Yours,

>

>Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

> <gauranga

> Phone:+36-309-140-839

>

>

>

>OM TAT SAT

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