[Jagannath] Tough times/ Scientific temper

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Aum Sri Guruve Namah

Dear Gurudev!

 

I read your mail on the tough times and could visualise the time ahead in

terms of bringing jyotisha to its deserved place. I am not in a position of

saying anything as I am too novice to suggest anything. I hope Narasimha is

correct. I know one thing that if you are destined for a cause and you have

full faith on the almighty, the lord will guide you. These small and trivial

things should not discourage and divert your attention. Sitting at such a far

away place I am missing the moment when I can share your feeling and extent

whatever support I can. I am really feeling bad about the happenings. But if

the objective of the Jyotisha is for counselling and helping others in guiding

them to their utlimate goal and also helping others out of distress, then what

is the need of political predictions. Coming in the limelight is a maya and

comes in the material plane, it also may cause distraction and divert you from

the real purpose of life of self development and serving for the cause of

Jyotisha.

 

Please don't get dissapointed and have faith on Lord Jagannatha. Who knows

this happenings are for your good. Who can decipher what the wish of the

Lord!!! If you are a firm beliver on the Lord all this happening will be in

your favour in long run..

 

You are the better judge than anyone else.

 

You wrote about science and every one talks about scientific temper. Do all of

us understand what is science. Science has six underlying assumptions. They

are-

 

1. The Nature is Orderly

2. We can understand nature

3. All Natural Phenomenon has natural causes.

4. Nothing is self evident

5. Knowledge is derived from acquisition of experience

6. Knowledge of superior to ignorance

 

The objective of science is to Understand, predict and control a phenomenon.

Any discipline follow this assumptionand objective can be called as science.

 

I will try to elaborate on these aspects in the subsequent mails and or else

write a paper on the subject.

 

your Obedient shisya

Sarajit

 

 

 

 

Jaya Jagannath

Dear Narasimha,

Yes, it is arbitrary from a human view point, but not from His view

point. Prasna Marga gives a very elaborate description of the Pooja,

sankalpa etc to be done before conducting a Prasna. Nowhere else have we

been advised to do such elaborate Pooja for seeing birth charts. Why? There

must be a reason for this and it is clearly telling us that it is His wish

as to who He shall choose to do what.

People who are good at Prasna are really God gifted for this. Their

prayers are answered in the form of the " Correct Chart " or the correct

method (there are many methods to conduct the Prasna) will occur to them at

a particular time when a particular Prasna is asked.

The problem with Jyotish is that it can never be 100% scientific as

there is this Grey area in parts like Prasna, Longevity where it is HIS

prerogative.Om Tat Sat

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

 

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Narasimha Rao <pvr

<varahamihira >

Cc: <vedic astrology >

Tuesday, February 15, 2000 11:01 AM

[Jagannath] Re: Prasna (Horary): My practice of my father's

approach

 

 

> Om Sanjayaaya Namaha

> Dear Sanjay,

>

> > Jaya Jagannath

> > Dear Narasimha & Vijay,

> > The process of the formation of the question is like

> > pregnancy.

> > Initially it is unclear and blurred andlater it crystallises.

> > This could

> > take months to form like questions pertaining to spirituality.

> > Thus, if we

> > were to try to attempt the time when the prasna was first

> > conceived, then we

> > are attempting the impossible.

>

> I don't agree with your analogy of conception.

>

> The time when the question strikes in the most basic form is

> analogous to conception. The time when the query is formed in

> clear terms for being posed to an astrologer is analogous to

> delivery.

>

> > If we take the time when the prasna was finally conceived,

> > then also we

> > are attempting the impossible, because the querist will never

> > know this and

> > will attempt a guess.

> > Communicating the Prasna: This can be communicated to ten

> > different

> > astrologers at ten different times. For example a businessman

> > suffering

> > losses goes to one astrologer with the same prasna on one day

> > and to another

> > on another day. Thus, each Jyotish will have a different

> > Prasna Jataka.

> > Thus each Jyotish will get the Prasna in his ears (Hearing

> > or receipt of

> > communication is Akash Tatwa and is ruled by Vishnu/Jupiter)

> > at different

> > times. Thus depending on the blessings of Jupiter/Vishnu the

> > blessed one

> > gets the right time.

>

> I have two problems with this:

>

> (1) The time when astrologer finally analyzes the prasna is

> dependent on the actions of the astrologer. How can lagna of that

> chart represent the queror then?

>

> (2) Saying that different astrologers get different charts and

> the blessed one gets the right one sounds too arbitrary to me.

> One could extend this to natal charts, after all, and say that

> the exact birthtime is not needed and astrologer can cast the

> chart for the moment he analyzes a native's fortune and the

> blessed astrologer gets the right chart.

>

> This may sound like an exaggeration to you, but there isn't much

> difference.

>

> With the approach I outlined, query formation time is fixed and

> all astrologers have the same chart. It is no longer arbitrary.

>

> > As regards examples, I have about a dozen charts everyday.

> > This proves

> > nothing.

>

> I am surprised by this assertion Sanjay. I never said it " proves "

> anything! The four examples were just for illustrating how the

> basic nature of query is visible in the query formation chart.

> They do not prove anything.

>

> By detailing my approach to prasna, I did not want to prove

> anything. My only wish is that learned astrologers (including

> you) should consider my approach with an open mind. I wrote it

> because I am convinced that it is worth your (and others')

> consideration.

>

> > Om Tat Sat

> > Best Wishes

> > Sanjay Rath

>

> May He show us the Right Path,

> Your grateful sishya,

> Narasimha

>

>

>

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