Guest guest Posted September 9, 1999 Report Share Posted September 9, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Narasimha & Al, MAHAPURUSHA YOGA 1. The point is that the Mahapurusha Yoga as it is defined in BPHS must show up in the Rasi Chart. The quality and extent to which this will manifest will depend on the Divisional charts. Example1: Say Mercury is exalted in the tenth house for a person born in Sagittarius Lagna, then the potential or SEED for a Mahapurusha Yoga is seen. Now if Mercury is in debilitated Navamsa, this results in Raja-Bhanga Neecha Yoga and the Yoga exists only as a potentiality as its activation is very difficult unless Jupiter is very strong. In real life this is seen in the example of Sanjaya the charioteer of King Dritarashtra. He never had any gyana and was a charioteer like we have taxi or staff car drivers, yet when the time came, a STrong Jupiter in the form of Maharishi Veda Vyasa blessed him and the Bhagavat Gita flowed like nectar from his lips. Another example in history is Kalidasa who was an ILLITERATE person!!! Who will believe this now? Look at his genius and the blessings of the Divine Jupiter leading him to Kali mata. 2. If a planet is strong in a divisional chart in a kendra, the results are to be understood as " AKIN TO MAHAPURUSHA YOGA " . This does not constitute a Mahapurusha Yoga by itself, but is quite similar and the results will be limited to the aspects ruled by the division. For example, Smt. Jayalalitha has got Jupiter in Sagittarius in Dasamsa with debilitated Rahu. We can say that she has " Hamsa Yoga in Karma " which will manifest in the form of making temples and other good karma during its periods. Thus in Rahu dasa Jupiter antardasa, she supported the BJP, but as soon as Saturn was to come, she joined hands with the Congress. Thus, in her dasamsa, Jupiter the Lagnesh of D-10 is BJP and Saturn is the Congress. Is there any doubt that she has made the political blunder of her life as the Dasamsa Lagna is Sagittarius? But where is the " Hamsa Mahapurusha Yoga which should create a Paramhamsa like Yogananda " . You can use the term HAMSA YOGA to indicate the similarity with the main yoga, but be very careful while classifying any person as MAHAPURUSHA. 3. The term Mahapurusha has been defined on the basis of PURUSHOTTAMA Bhagawan Sri Ramachandra. This becomes all the more clear when we read Brihat Jataka of Varahamihira. Understanding PARASARA Muni is very difficult. Everyday I get a deeper understanding the Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra and depend very much on the mercy of Sri Jagannatha Mahaprabhu for this. MAHAPURUSHA YOGA MEANS SPARK OF THE DIVINE OR THAT THE PERSON WILL HAVE AT LEAST SOME QUALITIES OF PURUSHOTTAMA BHAGAVAN SRI RAMACHANDRA. The Mahapurusha Yoga should not be treated like the other Yoga and they are very special. That is why Parasara has devoted a separate chapter to them and thereafter he explains the Panchatatwa that give rise to the Pancha Mahapurusha Yoga. For a better understanding, treat the Pancha Pandava as the Pancha Mahapurusha and see their Yoga with Bhagawan and their Karma as the servants of Bhagawan Sri Krishna. These five Mahapurusha Yoga are based on the Panchatatwa, the fundamental principle of Sankhya Shastra. Thus a person born in any Mahapurusha Yoga, and if that Yoga is to manifest, should be actually working for God. Example: Adolf Hitler. Hitler had Mars in the seventh in Aries and had the potential for a Ruchaka Mahapurusha Yoga. But, what Karma did he do? Slaughtering Jews or any other innocent people of the world is anti-God and we cannot say that that he was working as a Mahapurusha. Thus, please be careful while using this terminology as we can distort Jyotish Vidya. 4. A question that naturally arises is that if the potentiality of Mahapurusha Yoga is there in a Chart, how and when will it manifest? The reply to this is seen in Saravali of Kalyana Verma. Mahapurusha Yoga will manifest on the basis of the strength of Savitur and Soma. While the Sun (Savitur) should be strong for the starting of the yoga, the Moon (Soma) should be strong for the sustenance of the Mahapurusha yoga. If neither is strong, only some effects will be seen during the Dasa of the planet causing the Mahapurusha Yoga. 5. Another Question that follows this is " What can we do to ensure that we remain in the right path and am working as a servant of Bhagawan instead of going the way of Adolf Hitler types? " The answer lies in the Rig Veda. The sloka will be in my new book. Suffice is to say that all Lagna's are worshipped with the mantra " HARI " ; the Sun is best worshipped with the mantra " RAMA " and the MOON is best worshipped with the Mantra " KRISHNA " . Thus, regular chanting of these three names will ensure that you work as His servant and do not stray. You can do this with either of the Mantra: Meditation: HARE-RAMA-KRISHNA (Called the Janaka Shadakshara) Maha-Mantra: HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE. If you have not yet started this, start it today before it becomes too late and Rahu takes over. Other details from Standard texts. I submit my little understanding of the Hora Shastra to the learned Jyotisha of the world. Best Wishes, Sanjay Rath - Al Kumara <al_kumara <gjlist Thursday, September 09, 1999 10:52 AM Re: Mahapurusha yogas (Re: Rahu Ketu axis) > > > I dont know what Sanjay was implying in that statement but one > point which Ranjan (who used to be on this list if people recall) > says :- if you dont see the indication in the rashi > chart, it doesnt matter if it shows up in the divisional chart. > In other words, rashi chart is the genetic code and the divisional > chart may hold an empty promise if it doesnt show up in the > rashi chart. I like that explanation... > > Regards, > > Al > > >Narasimha Rao <pvr > >G J List <GJList > >CC: SJVC <sjvc >, " vedic astrology " > ><vedic astrology > > >Mahapurusha yogas (Re: Rahu Ketu axis) > >Thu, 09 Sep 1999 01:06:18 -0400 > > > >Pranaam Sanjay, > > > > > See you are again stretching things to prove your point. Is a > > > Mahapurusha Yoga really present in Navamsa or is it in the Rasi Chart? > >the > > > placement of Mars in the trines in Navamsa gives fighting abilities > >(Kanta > > > yuddha)while its placement in the 4th gives great knowledge of the same > >as > > > well. Does this give Ruchak Mahapurusha Yoga? No, it does not. We try to > > > understand the effects of Mars like being " Akin to Ruchak Yoga " , but it > >is > > > not technically correct. > > > >Without getting into the rest of the debate with Mu'min, I just want to > >comment > >on the above point in isolation. > > > >From the above, it looks like you are suggesting that Mahapurusha yogas are > >applicable only in rasi charts. I humbly beg to disagree. > > > >Parasara said that a Bhadra yoga native is a " sattwika " , " Saastravit " > >(knowledgeable in many subjects) and " sarva kaaryeshu swatantrah " . Parasara > >mentioned earlier that one's knowledge must be seen in D-24. Now are you > >suggesting that Parasara suggested jumping to big conclusions about how > >learned > >one is based just on rasi chart? Then, why did he prescribe D-24 for > >knowledge? > >Considering that the results given cover a wide range of matters, I > >disagree > >that Mahapurusha yogas apply only to rasi charts. > > > >Bhadra yoga in rasi chart may give only a few of the results given by > >Parasara > >and not all. For each result given by him, the relevant divisional chart is > >important. > > > >For example, a native I know is very happy with wife and kids, protects > >family > >well and has an excellent family life (other results given for Bhadra > >yoga). He > >is not particularly well-learned in all subjects. He has Bhadra yoga in > >rasi, > >navamsa (marriage) and parivritti-dwaya hora (family matters) charts. > > > >Anyone who knows you (Sanjay) will agree (I am assuming :-)) that you have > >Hamsa > >yoga qualities *as well as* strong Bhadra yoga qualities in matters of > >knowledge > >(like all-round learning, saattwik nature and an independent spirit). Your > >Hamsa > >yoga qualities can be explained both in rasi and in D-24, as Jupiter is in > >Pisces in a kendrs in both. But where are your strong Bhadra yoga qualities > >related to knowledge coming from? > > > >You have Mercury in 6th in rasi chart, but Mercury in Gemini lagna in D-24 > >gives > >Bhadra yoga and Saraswati yoga in your D-24 and those are key factors, as I > >look > >at it, behind your intelligence, saattwik nature, all-round knowledge and > >independent spirit. > > > >I hope I only misunderstood you as saying that Mahapurusha yogas are > >technically > >applicable only in rasi chart! > > > > > Secondly, the Rajyoga of Adolf Hitler was caused by Rahu and not > >Mars. > > > Agreed that he has Ruchak Mahapurusha Yoga and that would have > >manifested in > > > his Mars dasa, but then this was completely shadowed by the Shakti yoga > >of > > > Rahu in the ninth house (Rahu in trines aspected by the Moon causes > >Shakti > > > Yoga). This yoga can become very diabolical if it has the contact of > >Jupiter > > > as this person will become a murderer. This has happened in the chart of > > > Adolf Hitler. All that we read about the WW-2 and Mass murder of Jews > >and > > > that anti-God machine was in his Rahu dasa and NOT Mars dasa. > > > Another point is that when a planet is exalted, the negative > >qualities > > > are hardly seen in the person. That's why we start learning Jyotish with > >the > > > Chart of Bhagawan Sri Ram. (MARS EXALTED IN THE 7TH HOUSE IN CAPRICORN > > > REPRESENTS HANUMANJI...Can we say that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi is also a > > > Shiva-Avatar like Hanumanji?) > > > So, Mu'..NOT OUT. > > > Anyway, you are a very strong Venus no doubt..(Beautiful and > >HARD..You'd > > > rather die than give up to a fat 'ol fool like me!!). Where is Venus in > >your > > > chart? > > > >As you said me several times, true knowledge comes to one when one's karma > >allows. We can only pray to Jagannatha to give true knowledge to us and > >others. > > > >May Jupiter's light shine on us! > > > >Your grateful sishya, > >Narasimha > > > >PS: Hey Mu'min, look at Sanjay as an *affectionate* elder brother trying to > >correct you! BTW, you don't have to recommend Vedic astrology books written > >by > >westerners to Sanjay. > > > > > > > > ____ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 1999 Report Share Posted September 11, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATHDear Narasimha, Excellent post. A few more points to consider:- The discussion so far is on the following points: A)The Definition of the Mahapurusha Yoga The discussion started with the definition of the Mahapurusha Yoga where I had objected to the stretching of these Yoga's to trines from Lagna or even to the Sun or Moon Lagna charts. Mahapurusha Yoga's cannot occur in Divisions. These are only excellent placement of the planets..OK semantics, but then I hope we have defined this for the future usage. Again, since we use Dasamsa, the term is associated with the self. What happens when Jupiter will be exalted in the fourth in the Dwadasamsa? Are we to expect Hamsa Yoga type Qualities in the person or his mother? As regards your statement "Not every person with these yogas in vargas is a mahapurusha. At the same time, nor is every person with these yogas in rasi a mahapurusha! ", I have already explained the reasons for this giving the examples of Mercury in debilitated Navamsa; Quotes from Saravali etc. in an earlier post. Thus every person born with a Mahapurusha Yoga Combination will not become a Mahapurusha as there are many strings attached. But to say that they will become Mahapurusha even if the planet is debilitated in the Rasi chart is not correct. Yes we should examine the Varga's independantly, but then we should also know their limitations in defining the extent to which the PANCHATATWA will prevail. These Mahapurusha Yoga are dependant on the extent to which the Pancha Tatwa, their respective Indriya's etc. are in perfect harmony with nature thereby producing Godly qualities. For example, if Jupiter is in Pisces in Lagna and other factors favouring (as explained) the Hamsa Mahapurusha Yoga results. But if this Jupiter is debilitated in dasamsa, the "Fame" will not accrue. Does this make the Mahapurusha Yoga defunct or inapplicable? The person maybe an incognito Maharishi meditating in the Himalaya's. Thus Fame (Dasamsa) should not be a criteria for deciding Mahapurusha Yoga. Thus, we can conclude that while almost all yoga will be applicable to the divisional charts, the Pancha Mahapurusha Yoga's should be dealt with carefully and stem from the Rasi Chart. The specific fruits of the Mahapurusha yoga are to be divined from the Divisions as well. (Narasimha's point about defining the fruits from the divisions is correct and should form a part of the yardstick). (B) You wrote:How do you say that exalted Venus dominates over moolatrikona Jupiter? You give the argument of using the Astakavarga Bindu for determining the strength, a very relevant point. The definition of the Mahapurusha Yoga is based on the "Placement of the Planet" like Sthanabala and OOchabala where the order of merit is the Exaltation followed by Moolatrikona and then Swakshetra. Thus, Venus exalted in the tenth is Pisces is stronger than Jupiter in Sagittarius to give its results and dominate her life. We should stick to this as given in the definition of the Yoga's. ©You wrote: In punyamsa/karmamsa (D-10), Chandala yoga with *neecha* Rahu weakens Jupiter a lot. So, as for as karma is concerned, Jupiter cannot give the results of Hamsa yoga present in rasi chart. But it did because of its placement in Lagna as the Lagna Lord. Further, Rahu debilitated in a kendra does give Rajyoga as explained ealier with the Horoscope of Bhagawan Sri Ramachandra. (It gave Rajyoga for one of His enemies). This Chandala Yoga means "Betrayal of the trust of the Guru" and this was the cause of the fall of the Vajpayee Govt...CHANDALA KARMA. It functioned exactly in Rahu-Jup-Rahu. OK, I won't quote my warnings that were also published. You Wrote:- (D) Why do I prefer Cp lagna in Jayalalita's D-10? (a) Saturn owns and aspects lagna. Her self-centered nature in karma is better exaplained. Jupiter owns and is placed in Lagna with Gluttonous RAHU!! We are getting biased out here. All politicians are self centered. She is fit for politics. Further, as human beings, women care more than men as they have a greater LUNAR influence. But when it comes to Dharma, Men are better equiped due to a greater SOLAR influence. These terms are relative. We are deviating, so leave this out. (b) Venus owns 10th and occupies 6th. Moon occupies 10th. Her successful acting career during Venus dasa is better explained. Here we are trying to decide the Venusian influence that determined her rise in movies. "SHASTA SUKRA MARANA KARAKA." Thus in the sixth Venus is ill placed and its traits would be very much damaged. Instead with Sagittarius Lagna, Venus would be in the seventh and its traits would be over emphasised making her a BIG filmstar. It is also the planet producing the Malavya Mahapurusha Yoga and its placement in the seventh in D-10 will surely enhance its potential. © Moon owns 7th and occupies 10th. Darapada is in 10th. These factors explain her career growth by association with fellow-actor and chief minister MGR much better. 11th Lord in the seventh gives a Love marriage and Venus so placed for Sagittarius save great Rajyoga due to a friend (11th lord in D-10) and lover in MGR. This is a better explanation as the friend/colleague angle is not touched by the Moon in 10th. Further, Mercury as the 7th Lord placed in the third also indicates a relationship or affair in the work place that will be very beneficial for her profession and her personal life. MGR was like a God for her. (d) Mars is in 8th and aspects lagna. Saturn and Sun also aspect lagna. These factors explain her short-tempered, irritable, arrogant, selfish,mean, dominating and authoritative attitude (in karma) much better than Sg lagna with Jupiter in it. Any planet in the 8th house (especially in D-10) irrespective of where it aspects ruins Rajyoga's. It can be good for business (7th house matters) as it causes Argala on the seventh and brings big loans for the business, but for Rajyoga it is terrible. It starts behaving like Sanidev (Karaka for the 8th) and opposes the Sun (Karaka for Rajyoga). As the 4th & 11th Lord in the 8th house it causes DURYOGA and definitely destroys Rajyoga. Instead for Sagittarius Lagna in D-10, Mars is the fifth lord (Power and authority in Govt.) and is placed in the 9th house of good fortune. Thus, she was in power during Mars dasa and inspite of initial opposition to her presidency of the AIADMK party, she won the battle royal. Thus Sagittarius is a better Lagna in D-10. (e) Mercury in 2nd explains her excellent public speeches than 2nd lord Saturn in 12th (with Sg lagna). Speaking abilities are to be seen from the second from Mercury as we see father from the ninth from the Sun. The second from Mercury is Pisces and its Lord Jupiter is in Lagna. She is a born demagogue & spirited public speaker. What she will speak and how truthful this will be is to be seen from the second Lord. Either way, the second Lord is Saturn and is placed in martian sign Scorpio, that too in the 12th without any Jupiterian touch. for Capricorn Lagna, the co-lord of the second will be rahu and it conjoins Jupiter (Truthful!!). I think you will agree to sagittarius being a better Lagna to explain this. (f) Sun in 5th explains her charismatic following. Jupiter in Lagna is the best explanation for her committed cadres in the AIADMK. Venus in the 7th also adds to the charishma. Mars in the ninth is her advisor "Subramanya" Swami who is more influenced (or acting on the behest of) by the aspect of saturn (her secret enemies) in the 12th house. It is quite sad the way her weaknesses were exploited by some adroit politicians. Best Wishes,Sanjay Rath. P.S. That line on the left hand side is like a Lakshman rekha. I cannot get in between your writings to type my reply. - Narasimha Rao vedic astrology Cc: GJLIST ; SJVC Saturday, September 11, 1999 6:50 AM [vedic astrology] Re: Mahapurusha yogas Om Sree Gurubhyo Namah Pranaam Sanjay, I appreciate the opportunity to discuss and learn from you! > > 2. If a planet is strong in a divisional chart in a kendra, the results > > are to be understood as "AKIN TO MAHAPURUSHA YOGA". This does not constitute > > a Mahapurusha Yoga by itself, but is quite similar and the results will be > > limited to the aspects ruled by the division. > > Now, I see that the difference between our views is very minimal and only > *semantic* in nature. I say that "Sanjay Rath is a Bhadra yoga person in D-24 > related matters (knowledge)". You say that "Sanjay Rath has results akin to > Bhadra yoga in D-24 related matters". > > I guess we are saying the same thing, but in different words... > > RATH: No, we are not. The yardsticks are very different. I am saying just what you said in the very first para quoted above. Whether we use the word mahapurusha or not is irrelevant to me. What is relevant is that the person experiences "quite similar" results that are "akin to mahapurusha yoga" and "limited to the aspects ruled by the division". These expressions are quoted from you and I am saying exactly the same thing. When it comes to "yardsticks", they apply in vargas AS WELL AS rasi. Not every person with these yogas in vargas is a mahapurusha. At the same time, nor is every person with these yogas in rasi a mahapurusha! RATH: Here we are..I was trying to define the Yardsticks for calling a person a Mahapurusha. As regards the chart of Ms Jayalalitha, we have to determine between the stronger of Venus and Jupiter in her chart to actually say which yoga has dominated and shall prevail. SHE HAS VENUS EXALTED IN THE TENTH IN PISCES AND JUPITER IN THE SEVENTH IN SAGITTARIUS. It is obvious that the effects of Malavya mahapurusha Yoga have dominated and VENUS shall determine her life trend completely. She was a filmstar, married a filmstar and is now into politics also because of her fanclub following. This is MALAVYA MAHAPURUSHA YOGA AT ITS BEST. Shiva gives one blessing to a Manushya Jataka at a time. Sometimes in charts you find three or more planets exalted. We should not get carried away by this and try to determine the strongest that will dominate. As regards her D-10 Lagna, it is Sagittarius and it was on this basis that I had predicted her stupendous rise in Jupiter antardasa of Rahu Dasa (AM Feb'1996: Dasamsa of Politicians). The present period of Saturn shall prove to be bad. What is the basis for taking D-10 Lagna as Capricorn? Please do not use fifth house from Ghatika lagna in D-10 chart for your arguments. I don't agree with that. How would Mars give her so much power in its Dasa?(1) How do you say that exalted Venus dominates over moolatrikona Jupiter? Venus has 3 bindus in ashtakavarga and Jupiter has 7. Jupiter is in own house in 5 of saptavargas (7). A planet in many own vargas with 7 ashtakavarga bindus is extremely strong. So what exactly makes Venusian influence dominate? (2) In punyamsa/karmamsa (D-10), Chandala yoga with *neecha* Rahu weakens Jupiter a lot. So, as for as karma is concerned, Jupiter cannot give the results of Hamsa yoga present in rasi chart. (3) Why do I prefer Cp lagna in Jayalalita's D-10? (a) Saturn owns and aspects lagna. Her self-centered nature in karma is better exaplained. (b) Venus owns 10th and occupies 6th. Moon occupies 10th. Her successful acting career during Venus dasa is better explained. © Moon owns 7th and occupies 10th. Darapada is in 10th. These factors explain her career growth by association with fellow-actor and chief minister MGR much better. (d) Mars is in 8th and aspects lagna. Saturn and Sun also aspect lagna. These factors explain her short-tempered, irritable, arrogant, selfish,mean, dominating and authoritative attitude (in karma) much better than Sg lagna with Jupiter in it. (e) Mercury in 2nd explains her excellent public speeches than 2nd lord Saturn in 12th (with Sg lagna). (f) Sun in 5th explains her charismatic following. (4) How would Mars give much power during his dasa? (a) Well, Mars owns Ghatika lagna (Aries) in D-10 and aspects it from Leo. He can certainly give power. (b) You said "Please do not use fifth house from Ghatika lagna in D-10 chart for your arguments. I don't agree with that." I don't know what to say. You suggest looking only at aspects on GL and not taking houses. But Parasara clearly recommended finding houses w.r.t. GL. It is not my invention. © Mars gives viparita raja yoga w.r.t. arudha lagna. As you often teach, arudha lagna is the seat of illusion in this material world and important for raja yogas. Because of this viparita raja yoga, Mars took her to the top in Tamil Nadu politics. However, Mars occupies 8th from lagna (the seat of truth) and she may have indulged in secret and dubious activities. [Note: VRY w.r.t. AL is true for my Cp lagna as well as your Sg lagna] (5) About your correct prediction: I predicted last year that Jayalalita would desert BJP and her enemies (DMK) would join her friends (PMK, MDMK, BJP etc) and that everyone would turn against her. Correct predictions don't necessarily confirm that the data is correct. > I hope the entire list benefits from this discussion between me and Narasimha. I hope so too. *I* appreciate this discussion with you! > Hare Rama Krishna, > Sanjay May Jupiter's light shine on us, Your grateful sishya, Narasimha Click Here! eGroups.com home: vedic astrologywww. - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 1999 Report Share Posted September 11, 1999 Om Sree Gurubhyo Namah Pranaam Sanjay, Thank you for your kind elaboration. The discussion started with the definition of the Mahapurusha Yoga where I had objected to the stretching of these Yoga's to trines from Lagna or even to the Sun or Moon Lagna charts. I too object those views. These Mahapurusha Yoga are dependant on the extent to which the Pancha Tatwa, their respective Indriya's etc. are in perfect harmony with nature thereby producing Godly qualities. Can you kindly elaborate? For example, if Jupiter is in Pisces in Lagna and other factors favouring (as explained) the Hamsa Mahapurusha Yoga results. But if this Jupiter is debilitated in dasamsa, the "Fame" will not accrue. Does this make the Mahapurusha Yoga defunct or inapplicable? The person maybe an incognito Maharishi meditating in the Himalaya's. Or he may be an average person. We don't have millions of mahapurushas born when Jupiter transits Pi. Thus Fame (Dasamsa) should not be a criteria for deciding Mahapurusha Yoga. It is not. But some of the results given for Mahapurusha yogas pertain to fame. Those results cannot materialize unless dasamsa is involved. Those results of Bhadra yoga that are related to knowledge cannot materialize unless D-24 is involved. Thus, we can conclude that while almost all yoga will be applicable to the divisional charts, the Pancha Mahapurusha Yoga's should be dealt with carefully and stem from the Rasi Chart. Prof. P.S. Sastri and you have Mercury in a quadrant in Gemini in D-24, but do not have Bhadra yoga in rasi chart. I call you both Bhadra yoga persons (or mahapurushas) in the matter of knowledge. If you agree that Prof. Sastri is a mahapurusha in the matter of knowledge, I will rest my case. (B) You wrote:How do you say that exalted Venus dominates over moolatrikona Jupiter? You give the argument of using the Astakavarga Bindu for determining the strength, a very relevant point. The definition of the Mahapurusha Yoga is based on the "Placement of the Planet" like Sthanabala and OOchabala where the order of merit is the Exaltation followed by Moolatrikona and then Swakshetra. Thus, Venus exalted in the tenth is Pisces is stronger than Jupiter in Sagittarius to give its results and dominate her life. We should stick to this as given in the definition of the Yoga's. Not only Jupiter has 7 ashtakavarga bindus, but he is in own sign in many amsas. Isn't that strength? In sthana bala, Jupiter is stronger than Venus. In shadbala, they are similar. Both are in benefic shashtyamsas. Comparing the strengths is a nontrivial exercise here. ©You wrote: In punyamsa/karmamsa (D-10), Chandala yoga with *neecha* Rahu weakens Jupiter a lot. So, as for as karma is concerned, Jupiter cannot give the results of Hamsa yoga present in rasi chart. But it did because of its placement in Lagna as the Lagna Lord. Further, Rahu debilitated in a kendra does give Rajyoga as explained ealier with the Horoscope of Bhagawan Sri Ramachandra. (It gave Rajyoga for one of His enemies). This Chandala Yoga means "Betrayal of the trust of the Guru" and this was the cause of the fall of the Vajpayee Govt...CHANDALA KARMA. It functioned exactly in Rahu-Jup-Rahu. OK, I won't quote my warnings that were also published. She rose in Mars dasa and fell in Rahu dasa. Barring temporary success at last hustings, Rahu dasa didn' really give any rajayoga. In fact, it took away chief ministership from her. (D) Why do I prefer Cp lagna in Jayalalita's D-10? (b) Venus owns 10th and occupies 6th. Moon occupies 10th. Her successful acting career during Venus dasa is better explained. Here we are trying to decide the Venusian influence that determined her rise in movies. "SHASTA SUKRA MARANA KARAKA." Thus in the sixth Venus is ill placed and its traits would be very much damaged. Instead with Sagittarius Lagna, Venus would be in the seventh and its traits would be over emphasised making her a BIG filmstar. It is also the planet producing the Malavya Mahapurusha Yoga and its placement in the seventh in D-10 will surely enhance its potential. Though in 7th, Venus is a functional malefic for Sg lagna. Though in 6th (BTW, "Bhrigu sutram" thinks very highly of Venus in 6th), Venus is a *yogakaraka* for Cp lagna. Whose dasa would be more promising for career? That of yogakaraka (10th lord!) in 6th or a functional malefic in 7th? I'll go with the former. BTW, Venus has 5 bindus and occupies a sign with 32 bindus in D-10. (d) Mars is in 8th and aspects lagna. Saturn and Sun also aspect lagna. These factors explain her short-tempered, irritable, arrogant, selfish,mean, dominating and authoritative attitude (in karma) much better than Sg lagna with Jupiter in it. Any planet in the 8th house (especially in D-10) irrespective of where it aspects ruins Rajyoga's. It can be good for business (7th house matters) as it causes Argala on the seventh and brings big loans for the business, but for Rajyoga it is terrible. It starts behaving like Sanidev (Karaka for the 8th) and opposes the Sun (Karaka for Rajyoga). As the 4th & 11th Lord in the 8th house it causes DURYOGA and definitely destroys Rajyoga. Instead for Sagittarius Lagna in D-10, Mars is the fifth lord (Power and authority in Govt.) and is placed in the 9th house of good fortune. Thus, she was in power during Mars dasa and inspite of initial opposition to her presidency of the AIADMK party, she won the battle royal. Thus Sagittarius is a better Lagna in D-10. The way I look at it, lagna shows one's true nature. When looking at victory in a battle royal or political power, true nature is not what matters. Arudha lagna (perceptions) and ghatika lagna (power) are much more important. Mars in 8th from lagna shows being under pressure and also hidden activities. Being GL lord aspecting GL from 5th and having viparita raja yoga, Mars can give political power. I don't see being in 8th from lagna as a factor that rules it out. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Your grateful sishya, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 1999 Report Share Posted September 12, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATHDear Narasimha, Portions we have agreed to have been cropped. The remaining continue. As such the discussion on Mahapurusha Yoga's is over and only some portions pertaining to D-Charts remains. These are as foolows: (A) Astakavarga in D-Charts: BTW, Venus has 5 bindus and occupies a sign with 32 bindus in D-10. RATH: Is this SAV in the D-10 or the Rasi Chart? If so, does this result alter drastically for Sagittarius Lagna? If not, then this statement has no meaning as it does not see differences between Cp & Sg. This is SAV on the D-10, because we are talking about D-10. Bindus in SAV in Gemini (that houses Venus) come down from 32 to 27 if lagna is changed from Cp to Sg. BTW, I mentioned this point only to show why Venus dasa can be good despite Venus being in 6th giving duryoga. Ashtakavarga strength works with the fact that Venus is a yogakaraka for Cp lagna! The mere presence of 32 Bindu's is not adequate to give Rajyoga. Rajyoga cannot be defined on the basis of Astakavarga Bindu. If Venus is in the sixth house, then the houses owned by it are destroyed. This may be good or bad depending on the Lagna involved. For Capricorn or Aquarius, this is disastrous. In the Dasamsa, the focus is the tenth house and for Sagitarius Lagna, Virgo is the tenth with venus as aYogakaraka for it and placed in a Kendra and aspecting the tenth thereby being the prime determinant of profession. For Capricorn, the placement of Venus in the sixth would destroy the activities fo Libra (10th) and Taurus (5th), thereby making for a very ordinary chart. (B)The way I look at it, lagna shows one's true nature. When looking at victory in a battle royal or political power, true nature is not what matters. Arudha lagna (perceptions) and ghatika lagna (power) are much more important. Mars in 8th from lagna shows being under pressure and also hidden activities. Being GL lord aspecting GL from 5th and having viparita raja yoga, Mars can give political power. I don't see being in 8th from lagna as a factor that rules it out. RATH: If you consider the 8th is a GOOD HOUSE for professional matters, then please define the BAD houses in a chart. I am not saying that 8th is a good house, Sanjay. It IS a bad house. But a planet placed in 8th from lagna can still give good material results, if it has rajayoga w.r.t. arudha lagna and ghatika lagna. I am only saying that arudha lagna and ghatika lagna are more important reference points than lagna, when analyzing her political power. On a related note, I saw many people with lagna lord in lagna in rasi chart (like you), who experienced good luck in the Sudasa of the 8th house. If lagna lord is in lagna, 8th house will be the 11th from arudha lagna. Despite being a bad house from lagna, it typically gives excellent material success. This is because arudha lagna is more important for matters relating to the illusions of this material world, than lagna. Please look at my above point on D-10 in the same spirit. Being placed in the fifth from ghatika lagna does not give POWER. Being the Lord of Ghatika Lagna gives power. That is why bith Parasara and Jaimini have clearly spelt out the POWER giving abilities of the lord of Ghatika Lagna or the seventh from it. To study the Ghatika Lagna as a Lagna means to examine the support bases and obstructions to exercise of this power. Thus, a lord of Ghatika Lagna in the fifth from it will indicate that the followers (ruled by the fifth house) will be youngsters (Mars) and will be passionately attached to her (fifth house matters) thereby showing her fan following. Ghatika Lagna lord in the sixth from it will indicate the servants who will strongly support the power of the native. In this manner the results of houses from Ghatika lagna should be studied. As regards Arudha Lagna, the same in the tenth in Virgo is aspected by Yogakaraka Venus (For arudha) showing her movie career clearly. Mars is the 3rd & 8th Lord in the 12th house generating a vipareeta rajyoga or that her rise will also result in the destruction of somebody else (first wife of MGR). Mercury is the Lord of AL and is placed in an Upachaya both from the Lagna and AL. ©> Secondly, does the GL get altered for Sagittarius rising in > the D-10, if not, then this statement is also meaning less as > it does not show any difference between Sg & Cp Lagna. > YOU HAVE USED FIFTH FROM GL OUT HERE KNOWING WELL > MY VIEWS ON THIS. You don't accept houses counted from GL, but I thought you accept "aspects" on GL. So I was stressing the *aspect* of Mars on GL (Aries) from 5th house. If you don't think "5th house" matters there, concentrate on the "aspect". I have clarified my views on this. Does this change for Capricorn or Sagittarius Lagna? Hare Rama Krishna, Sanjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2000 Report Share Posted April 18, 2000 OM VISHNAVE NAMAH Dear Narasimha, That is a slip...yes three Mahapurusha Yoga and Venus in the ninth is not Mahapurusha Yoga although the GJ software erroneously lists this extension. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - Narasimha Rao <Narasimha_Rao <srath Wednesday, April 19, 2000 0021 S Rath Mahapurusha Yogas > > > > Pranaam Sanjay, > > How come everybody is talking about 4 mahapurusha yogas of Sri Rama. Bhadra Yoga > is clearly absent. Though Venus is exalted, he is not in a quadrant and Malavya > Yoga is clearly absent. There are only 3 - Hamsa, Sasa and Ruchaka. Sun and Moon > do not give any pancha mahapurusha yogas. > > Why is everyone - including you - saying 4 " panchamahapurusha yogas " are > present? What am I missing? > > Your sishya, > Narasimha > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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