Can anyone analyze Pandit Gopi Krishna's chart: Authentic Kundalini awakenin

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Sundeep ji,

 

If you take AK kendradi rasi dasa of Sri Gopi Krishna's chart, you'd

find that the dasa running during December 1937 is that of

Taurus-Leo-Cancer.

 

Atma Karaka Kendradi Rasi Dasa of D-9 (experiences of soul):

 

Ta MD: 1930-05-29 (10:29:32 pm) - 1940-05-29 (11:52:11 am)

Le AD: 1937-11-30 (1:00:56 pm) - 1938-10-01 (6:41:56 pm)

Cn PD: 1937-11-30 (1:00:56 pm) - 1937-12-25 (3:10:31 am)

 

 

One look at the house of Ishta devata in navamsa, and the planets

contained therein, is enough to explain why the awakening should

happen in this particular dasa. It also explains the sensation of

powerful light that Gopikrishna felt at the time of awakening.

 

Taurus is the house tenanted by the 8th lord of the rasi chart as well

as the navamsa (moon). Venus is associated with the mokshasthanas

(4,8,12) in d-1, d-9, d-20 and d-24. Sun is the 8th lord in D-24.

 

The close association between Venus and Moon could indicate the lotus,

while the Sun, ofcourse, indicates Sahasrara.

 

The annual TP chart of 1937 also shows Mars aspecting both Aries and

Taurus. same is the case with tajaka chart of 1937. Mars, I am sure

that you noticed is the 3rd & 11th lord of natal rasi chart, posited

in the 8th house. Hence his kundalini awakening led to unleashing of

writing skills. Because Mars occupied 6th house from Aries in natal

rasi chart, this awakening also led to physical discomfort.

 

For my own research, could you please tell me if the awakening occured

in the second half of December 1937?

 

Thanks for sharing the chart with us.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa , " vedicastrostudent "

<vedicastrostudent wrote:

>

> Dear Jyotisha,

>

> As you all must be knowing, the most well documented Kundalini

> awakening of modern times is that of Pandit Gopi Krishna, author

> of " Kundalini: The Evolutionary Energy in Man " . His chart details are

> as follows:

> May 30, 1903, 00:14am, 74E50, 33N33, 4:59 E of GMT (according to the

> charts database of vedic astrology newsgroup).

>

> Can anyone give us an astrological analysis of his awakening

> (http://www.om-guru.com/html/saints/gopi.html). It occurred in December

> 1937, in Mercury-Venus-Rahu, according to Jhora. I can understand it

> occurring in Mercury mahadasha, since Mercury is the ruler of the 8th

> (Aquarius ascendant), and Kundalini, by its very nature is an awakening

> of the latent power in the unconscious, so it has to be connected to

> the 8th house. But the rest is unclear to me (e.g. why wasnt it in

> Mercury-Mercury-Mercury, or Mercury-Mercury-Rahu, for e.g.). Either

> Moon or Venus is his Ishta, I assume (I dont know which), and Rahu is

> in the 8th house. His awakening was the consequence of many years of

> untutored ajna chakra meditation (I assume, since he says he focussed

> on a lotus in full bloom in the crown of his forehead). It almost

> killed him, since he inadvertently awakened only the flow of Kundalini

> energy through Sun-and-heat-likened Pingala, and was able to prevent

> certain death only by later concentrating its flow additionally through

> Moon-and-coolness likened Ida.

>

> His descriptions leave no doubt that he was awakened: Later on, he

> developed brilliant poetic skills which he completely attributed to the

> rising of the Kundalini. He also several times came close to death

> since he couldnt regulate the energy easily and only through experience

> learned to regulate it using a strict diet. These are all interesting

> pieces of info needed to solve the astrological puzzle.

>

> Hope someone attempts it, or points me to some earlier documented

> attempt

>

> Thank you,

>

> Sundeep

>

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Dear Sourav and Lakshmi,

First, the birth data is from the birth data bank in the files

section of the vedic astrology group. The birth data bank seems to

have been uploaded by Gauranga Das. Second, I dont know the exact

date that GK's first awakening occurred, it isnt mentioned in his

book.

 

Back to the discussion, I'm still absorbing what you've written. You

both obviously see a lot more than I do. However, I've still quite a

few doubts. GK has so many planets conducive to spiritual growth that

it is hard to clearly isolate the one that delivered the awakening. I

know that you have made a case for Mercury mahadasha, Venus antar,

but why not several others. To me, his experience, I quote: " I was no

longer myself, or to be more accurate, no longer as I knew myself to

be, a small point of awareness confined to a body, but instead was a

vast circle of consciousness in which the body was but a point,

bathed in light and in a state of exultation and happiness impossible

to describe " has Ishta written all over it - this is an experience of

almost final emancipation. So must not the Moon (Ishta, as you have

identified) be very clearly involved, in which case it is unclear why

Jupiter-Moon or Saturn-Moon didnt give similar experiences.

Additionally, Kundalini is Shakti, correct, the feminine aspect of

the " Shiva " " duality " , symbolized by the moon (thereby again

empowering the moon to give the Kundalini experience)?

 

I dont understand AK Kendradi Rasi dasa very well, so I cant comment

on Lakshmi's analysis, only absorb it. However, I notice that D-1

Narayan Dasa shows that Ge Narayan Dasa containing the Moon starts

only in 1936 for the first time. Then Mercury Venus triggers the

event since the environment (PVR says Narayan dasa shows environment,

while Vim dasha shows mental state) is conducive, although I dont

know why Mercury Venus Moon didnt do the trick, or even Mercury Venus

Mars.

 

Your comments much appreciated..

 

Thank you

 

Sundeep

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|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Dear Sundeep,

namaskar. Kundalini Awakening should not be seen in isolation for the background of spiritual growth which spans several lives. Ke in 8H can give sudden rise of Kundalini shakti w/o any activity by the person. But here it is not the case. Hence when you want to judge the event from Vimshottari Dasa, you will find several choices possible, no doubt. However, there must be a clear link to the 8H and it is the rasi of that house where the shakti is stored. The best way to look at the event is to use multiple dasa techniques (as applicable to the chart in question) and find the intersection. Lakshmi-ji gave you a nice clue with AK Kendradi Rasi Dasa. It is to be used for soul-level events, of which the present one under discussion in a clear example. Another dasa you can see is Moola Dasa which is primarily to be used in D-60 and D-1 to see how past life karma's are fructifying in the present life. To my understanding, the process that Gopi Krishna went through to have Kundalini experience is not just from this life but had roots in his past incarnations. Because D-60 is not probably rectified watch the event in D-1. The Dasa at the time of event is Sa-Ma. (probably Sa-Ma-Ra is you consider Dec 1937) which clearly indicated some occult experience as Sa in co-lagna lord in 12H with A8 and Ma and Ra are players in the 8H. But then again you can argue that some other dasa could be more appropriate. The bottomline is that when the time is not ripe the karma is not mature enough to fructify. To see the karma you need to select the perfect dasa. If you do not want to see the karma but want to see the effect, you can select another dasa. Judgements from one dasa only may not be perfect and intersection will give a closer guess.

Secondly, I resist to make such statements as kundalini rising is an experience of almost final emancipation. Final emancipation is not an experience but an end of experience. With Kundalini awakening and reaching sahasrara, the person exeriences a greater reality about himself and realizes a sookhsma sarira (subtle body). A new journey begins from there. Until all the samaskaras in the chitta die out, the person is no where near final emancipation.

Lastly, my understanding of jyotisha is not so strong as to predict kundalini experiences. I believe we are still far from it, i.e. far from the knowledge of the Maharshis. Hence we can reconcile and justify using multifarious techniques and cannot pinpoint such events or the extent of such experiences with exactitude.

Best wishes,

-Sourav

P.S. Mo doesn't "have to be" in the dasas. It is has close associations with another friendly planet it can get its results given by them. Also, remember that the lagna lord/lagna is very important with such personal experiences.

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sohamsa , "vedicastrostudent" <vedicastrostudent wrote:>> Dear Sourav and Lakshmi,> First, the birth data is from the birth data bank in the files > section of the vedic astrology group. The birth data bank seems to > have been uploaded by Gauranga Das. Second, I dont know the exact > date that GK's first awakening occurred, it isnt mentioned in his > book.> > Back to the discussion, I'm still absorbing what you've written. You > both obviously see a lot more than I do. However, I've still quite a > few doubts. GK has so many planets conducive to spiritual growth that > it is hard to clearly isolate the one that delivered the awakening. I > know that you have made a case for Mercury mahadasha, Venus antar, > but why not several others. To me, his experience, I quote: "I was no > longer myself, or to be more accurate, no longer as I knew myself to > be, a small point of awareness confined to a body, but instead was a > vast circle of consciousness in which the body was but a point, > bathed in light and in a state of exultation and happiness impossible > to describe" has Ishta written all over it - this is an experience of > almost final emancipation. So must not the Moon (Ishta, as you have > identified) be very clearly involved, in which case it is unclear why > Jupiter-Moon or Saturn-Moon didnt give similar experiences. > Additionally, Kundalini is Shakti, correct, the feminine aspect of > the "Shivaduality", symbolized by the moon (thereby again > empowering the moon to give the Kundalini experience)? > > I dont understand AK Kendradi Rasi dasa very well, so I cant comment > on Lakshmi's analysis, only absorb it. However, I notice that D-1 > Narayan Dasa shows that Ge Narayan Dasa containing the Moon starts > only in 1936 for the first time. Then Mercury Venus triggers the > event since the environment (PVR says Narayan dasa shows environment, > while Vim dasha shows mental state) is conducive, although I dont > know why Mercury Venus Moon didnt do the trick, or even Mercury Venus > Mars.> > Your comments much appreciated..> > Thank you> > Sundeep>

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Dear Sourav,

Thanks for you reply. If you search the web, I see many descriptions

described as Kundalini awakening. So I dont claim that Kundalini

awakening itself is an experience of almost final emancipation.

However, GK's description is deeper than most, and reading his

experience of merging with the omnipresent consciousness, it is hard

to not notice the parallels with other experiences and their

similarity to some statements of the Bhagavad gita. I quote:

 

1) GK's second experience: " My body, the chair I was sitting on, the

table in front of me, the room enclosed by walls, the lawn outside

and the space beyond including earth and sky appeared to be most

amazingly mere phantoms in this real, inter-penetrating and all-

pervasive ocean of existence which to explain the most incredible

part of it as best I can, seemed to be simultaneously unbounded

stretching out immeasurably in all directions, and yet no bigger than

an infinitely small point "

 

2) Jiddu Krishnamurti (nothing to do with Kundalini): " On the first

day, while I was in that state and more conscious of the things

around me, I had the first most extraordinary experience. There was a

man mending the road; that man was myself; the pickaxe he held was

myself; the very stone which he was breaking up was a part of me; the

tender blade of grass was my very being, and the tree beside the man

was myself. I almost could feel and think like the roadmender, and I

could feel the wind passing through the tree, and the little ant on

the blade of grass I could feel. The birds, the dust, and the very

noise were a part of me. Just then there was a car passing by at some

distance; I was the driver, the engine, and the tyres; as the car

went further away from me, I was going away from myself. I was in

everything, or rather everything was in me, inanimate and animate,

the mountain, the worm, and all breathing things "

 

3) Bhagavada Gita (of Order) (http://gita.srimadbhagavatam.org),

Chapter 13, Verse 31: [Verse 30 for reference: " Anyone who sees that

all activities certainly in all respects are the result of material

conditioning and that one as the soul is not the doer, sees

perfectly " ] " When one following that tries to see that the diversity

of the living beings is resting in oneness and that it expanded to

that reality, at that time one attains the Absolute of the Spirit "

 

Do you now see why I suspect that this GK's specific experience at

least and perhaps not all Kundalini experiences is at least a

temporary experience of what final emancipation must feel like, hence

significant Ishta involvement must be present.

 

Thanks,

 

Sundeep