Guest guest Posted September 29, 2000 Report Share Posted September 29, 2000 Jaya Jaya Jagannath, Namasthe Zoranji, Until I write my understandings, I have further question. The last five Nakshastra of zodiac indicate Akasa Tatwa. The very first 5 nakshastra indicate " Pritivi " tatwa. (Indicate=Pre-dominate) Strength of Sun and Moon to fructify the Hamsa yoga is another issue. Is this valid only for Hamsa yoga or some other Pancha MPY as well ? Please do not stop. We can speack and learn. If you have more thought please send us. I need read again BPHS and conclude here. Hare Krishna Karu Dear Karu, Very intelligent remark. See the lesson. Sanjay Ji says that Akash Tatwa is not present in this Jiva world, not as a part of material creation, but underlying the whole creation in the form of transcendental consciousness. Thus in physical aspect this tatwa is not present. Hamsa Mahapurush yoga gives saintly qaulities, where a person aspires to Self Realization, when he/she transcends the field of three gunas, and attians Transcendental Awareness of Atma/Paramatma. There He/She cognies the value of AKASH Tatwa simbolised by Guru and Hamsa Yoga. For this Yoga to fructifies, one has to Gain the Primary Blessing of ATMA (surya) and MANAS(Chandra), father and mother, and thus, when Hamsa Yoga is present, the sun and the moon must be strong. This is the true blessing of GURU, who is the BHAGAWAN of the Chart. The signs represent material creation obviously without AKASH tatwa, while Grahas represent people. Since we were born to perfect and attain God realization, we may cognise AKASH tatwa, symbolised by Guru in the chart(hamsa Yoga). This is the blessing of God, since we are given the chance to leave the cycle of rebirth. That is why the ketu moksha karak, attains both exaltaion and multrikon signs in Guru signs.Patanjali speaks of this Tatwa when attaining sidhis and kaivalya, and Lord Krishna teaches Arjuna to Be without the three Gunas, to cognise this Tatwa, which is beyond relative and sensory world of experience. Best wishes, Zoran Karu wrote: >Dear Jyotisha, >ASSIGNMENTS >1. Predominating tatwa in lagna of my horoscope: >Lagna dhanu(Agni tatwa). Guru is lord(akash tatwa). However, this >tatwa is ignored, as it is not part of the jiva world. Jaya Jaya Jagannath,Namasthe Zoranji, With respect, I can't understand. How then Pancha Maha Purusha Yoga comes ? Hamsa yoga predominate Akasha tatwa and BPHS clearly mentioned about this. But I agreed, among 12 sign, no any single rasi predominate Akasha tatwa in this earth.Agni,Jala,Vayu and Patavi tatwa are represented by all 12 signs but the basic element called AKASHA is spred over all 12 signs, as this is represent Vishnu. Perhaps, may be my ignorance, please classify this. I may be completly wrong, but this is what I understood. Please help me. Hare KrishnaKaru Guru is placed in >kanya(prithivi tatwa). It is in yuti with Ketu-not owner of any pancha >tatwa. So we have dristi of shani-vayu tatwa, and shukra jala tatwa. >Both these planets aspect from jala tatwa(pisces). So there is mixture >of all tatwas. >Actually, all tatwas are equaly strong, however I would give >predominance >to Jala tatwa, due to rashi(permanent) aspects of shukra(jala) from >pisces(jala) > >as well as atmakarak shani placed in pisces(jala) It is interesting to >note >that lagna rashi is agni tatwa, paka lagna rashi prithivi tatwa, while >aruda >lagna rashi is jala tatwa. >2. Rahu the cause of rebirth and mateiral enjoyer is naturally exalted >in taurus > >venusian rashi, the second house of wealth and sustainance of natural >zodiac, the house of venus that rules senses that are responsible for >our >enjoyment in its objects. This is the real maya, since the senses do not >perceive the Samhita Value of Unity, that underlines the knower, the >process >of knowing and the object . So naturaly, rahu a rebirth and maya enjoyer >finds his longevity in the sign of sustainer of lagna, or rebirth. >Ketu is not exalted as per longevity, being moksha karaka, Natural 8th >house >(scorpio) is a transformation, as a death is not real end, but just a >transformation. >So ketu mooltrikona is in pisces, which is its official duty to grant >moksha.From >the viewpoint of mukti, there is no birth and death. >Rahu is in debility in scorpio( as per longevity) since scorpio is >natural 8th >house >of zodiac, thus excessive sense gratification, and cause of rebirth >leads to >death >and rebirth, which is signified by 8th house of horoscope, a house of >transformation. >3.Multrikon stands for inherent dharma role of a planet. Thus planets >placed in >multrikon have official duty to establish their dharmic role. For >example, if >mars is >placed in aries, he will have his martial duty to act and be dynamic, >while >being in swaksthetra he >will feel at home, energetic and calm, martial energy being naturally at >disposal. >Best wishes, >Zoran > > >-------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> >eGroups eLerts >It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! >http://click./1/9067/9/_/2192/_/970182325/ >--> > >OM TAT SAT >Archive: varahamihira >Info: varahamihira/info.html > > OM TAT SAT Archive: varahamihira Info: varahamihira/info.html OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2000 Report Share Posted September 29, 2000 Jaya Jagannath Dear Karu, The signs alone do not determine the prevailing Tatwa. the planets in the signs shall modify their influence. Jupiter causes the Akash Tatwa to be strong. With Best Wishes, Sanjay Rath - Karu <heen <varahamihira > Friday, September 29, 2000 8:22 AM Re: [sri Guru] LESSON 11 >Dear Jyotisha, >ASSIGNMENTS >1. Predominating tatwa in lagna of my horoscope: >Lagna dhanu(Agni tatwa). Guru is lord(akash tatwa). However, this >tatwa is ignored, as it is not part of the jiva world. Jaya Jaya Jagannath, Namasthe Zoranji, With respect, I can't understand. How then Pancha Maha Purusha Yoga comes ? Hamsa yoga predominate Akasha tatwa and BPHS clearly mentioned about this. But I agreed, among 12 sign, no any single rasi predominate Akasha tatwa in this earth.Agni,Jala,Vayu and Patavi tatwa are represented by all 12 signs but the basic element called AKASHA is spred over all 12 signs, as this is represent Vishnu. Perhaps, may be my ignorance, please classify this. I may be completly wrong, but this is what I understood. Please help me. Hare Krishna Karu Guru is placed in >kanya(prithivi tatwa). It is in yuti with Ketu-not owner of any pancha >tatwa. So we have dristi of shani-vayu tatwa, and shukra jala tatwa. >Both these planets aspect from jala tatwa(pisces). So there is mixture >of all tatwas. >Actually, all tatwas are equaly strong, however I would give >predominance >to Jala tatwa, due to rashi(permanent) aspects of shukra(jala) from >pisces(jala) > >as well as atmakarak shani placed in pisces(jala) It is interesting to >note >that lagna rashi is agni tatwa, paka lagna rashi prithivi tatwa, while >aruda >lagna rashi is jala tatwa. >2. Rahu the cause of rebirth and mateiral enjoyer is naturally exalted >in taurus > >venusian rashi, the second house of wealth and sustainance of natural >zodiac, the house of venus that rules senses that are responsible for >our >enjoyment in its objects. This is the real maya, since the senses do not >perceive the Samhita Value of Unity, that underlines the knower, the >process >of knowing and the object . So naturaly, rahu a rebirth and maya enjoyer >finds his longevity in the sign of sustainer of lagna, or rebirth. >Ketu is not exalted as per longevity, being moksha karaka, Natural 8th >house >(scorpio) is a transformation, as a death is not real end, but just a >transformation. >So ketu mooltrikona is in pisces, which is its official duty to grant >moksha.From >the viewpoint of mukti, there is no birth and death. >Rahu is in debility in scorpio( as per longevity) since scorpio is >natural 8th >house >of zodiac, thus excessive sense gratification, and cause of rebirth >leads to >death >and rebirth, which is signified by 8th house of horoscope, a house of >transformation. >3.Multrikon stands for inherent dharma role of a planet. Thus planets >placed in >multrikon have official duty to establish their dharmic role. For >example, if >mars is >placed in aries, he will have his martial duty to act and be dynamic, >while >being in swaksthetra he >will feel at home, energetic and calm, martial energy being naturally at >disposal. >Best wishes, >Zoran > > > >OM TAT SAT >Archive: varahamihira >Info: varahamihira/info.html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2000 Report Share Posted September 29, 2000 Jaya Jagannath Dear Zoran, Hamsa Mahapurusha Yoga people live in this world. So, why are we ignoring this Akash Tatwa? I have sent another mail on how to judge the Tatwa. With Best Wishes, Sanjay Rath - Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa <varahamihira > Friday, September 29, 2000 4:18 AM [sri Guru] LESSON 11 > Dear Jyotisha, > ASSIGNMENTS > 1. Predominating tatwa in lagna of my horoscope: > Lagna dhanu(Agni tatwa). Guru is lord(akash tatwa). However, this > tatwa is ignored, as it is not part of the jiva world. Guru is placed in > kanya(prithivi tatwa). It is in yuti with Ketu-not owner of any pancha > tatwa. So we have dristi of shani-vayu tatwa, and shukra jala tatwa. > Both these planets aspect from jala tatwa(pisces). So there is mixture > of all tatwas. > Actually, all tatwas are equaly strong, however I would give > predominance > to Jala tatwa, due to rashi(permanent) aspects of shukra(jala) from > pisces(jala) > > as well as atmakarak shani placed in pisces(jala) It is interesting to > note > that lagna rashi is agni tatwa, paka lagna rashi prithivi tatwa, while > aruda > lagna rashi is jala tatwa. > 2. Rahu the cause of rebirth and mateiral enjoyer is naturally exalted > in taurus > > venusian rashi, the second house of wealth and sustainance of natural > zodiac, the house of venus that rules senses that are responsible for > our > enjoyment in its objects. This is the real maya, since the senses do not > perceive the Samhita Value of Unity, that underlines the knower, the > process > of knowing and the object . So naturaly, rahu a rebirth and maya enjoyer > finds his longevity in the sign of sustainer of lagna, or rebirth. > Ketu is not exalted as per longevity, being moksha karaka, Natural 8th > house > (scorpio) is a transformation, as a death is not real end, but just a > transformation. > So ketu mooltrikona is in pisces, which is its official duty to grant > moksha.From > the viewpoint of mukti, there is no birth and death. > Rahu is in debility in scorpio( as per longevity) since scorpio is > natural 8th > house > of zodiac, thus excessive sense gratification, and cause of rebirth > leads to > death > and rebirth, which is signified by 8th house of horoscope, a house of > transformation. > 3.Multrikon stands for inherent dharma role of a planet. Thus planets > placed in > multrikon have official duty to establish their dharmic role. For > example, if > mars is > placed in aries, he will have his martial duty to act and be dynamic, > while > being in swaksthetra he > will feel at home, energetic and calm, martial energy being naturally at > disposal. > Best wishes, > Zoran > > > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2000 Report Share Posted September 30, 2000 Namaste Sanjay, Actually I thought, that Predominance of Akash tatwa leads a native in the moskha direction? As per your chart, guru in lagna, as well as ketu in exaltaion in arudha lagna, and the strongest kendra, give predominance of akash tatwa. Surya which is a guru sadharmi graha, as well as chandra being involved in Saraswati Yoga, and kendra- kona yoga makes Hamsa Maharpurusha Yoga operative in your chart. As a matter of fact, I like your Matsya Yoga very much. MaY I add a small speculation. From Atmakaraka kendras(shani is atmakarak), surya(agni tatwa) is the strongest, thus Agni tatwa(jyotisha) should be the primary tatwa giving direction to your soul, and serving as a removal of soul bondage, and its purification. Can we extand these tatwas to other lagnas? Best wishes, Zoran Sanjay Rath wrote: Jaya Jagannath Dear Zoran, Hamsa Mahapurusha Yoga people live in this world. So, why are we ignoring this Akash Tatwa? I have sent another mail on how to judge the Tatwa. With Best Wishes, Sanjay Rath - Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa <varahamihira > Friday, September 29, 2000 4:18 AM [sri Guru] LESSON 11 > Dear Jyotisha, > ASSIGNMENTS > 1. Predominating tatwa in lagna of my horoscope: > Lagna dhanu(Agni tatwa). Guru is lord(akash tatwa). However, this > tatwa is ignored, as it is not part of the jiva world. Guru is placed in > kanya(prithivi tatwa). It is in yuti with Ketu-not owner of any pancha > tatwa. So we have dristi of shani-vayu tatwa, and shukra jala tatwa. > Both these planets aspect from jala tatwa(pisces). So there is mixture > of all tatwas. > Actually, all tatwas are equaly strong, however I would give > predominance > to Jala tatwa, due to rashi(permanent) aspects of shukra(jala) from > pisces(jala) > > as well as atmakarak shani placed in pisces(jala) It is interesting to > note > that lagna rashi is agni tatwa, paka lagna rashi prithivi tatwa, while > aruda > lagna rashi is jala tatwa. > 2. Rahu the cause of rebirth and mateiral enjoyer is naturally exalted > in taurus > > venusian rashi, the second house of wealth and sustainance of natural > zodiac, the house of venus that rules senses that are responsible for > our > enjoyment in its objects. This is the real maya, since the senses do not > perceive the Samhita Value of Unity, that underlines the knower, the > process > of knowing and the object . So naturaly, rahu a rebirth and maya enjoyer > finds his longevity in the sign of sustainer of lagna, or rebirth. > Ketu is not exalted as per longevity, being moksha karaka, Natural 8th > house > (scorpio) is a transformation, as a death is not real end, but just a > transformation. > So ketu mooltrikona is in pisces, which is its official duty to grant > moksha.From > the viewpoint of mukti, there is no birth and death. > Rahu is in debility in scorpio( as per longevity) since scorpio is > natural 8th > house > of zodiac, thus excessive sense gratification, and cause of rebirth > leads to > death > and rebirth, which is signified by 8th house of horoscope, a house of > transformation. > 3.Multrikon stands for inherent dharma role of a planet. Thus planets > placed in > multrikon have official duty to establish their dharmic role. For > example, if > mars is > placed in aries, he will have his martial duty to act and be dynamic, > while > being in swaksthetra he > will feel at home, energetic and calm, martial energy being naturally at > disposal. > Best wishes, > Zoran > > > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> Special Offer-Earn 300 Points from MyPoints.com for trying @Backup Get automatic protection and access to your important computer files. Install today: http://click./1/6347/9/_/2192/_/970255934/ --> OM TAT SAT Archive: varahamihira Info: varahamihira/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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