Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Om Gurave Namah, Dear Visti and friends, > Zorans points are very valid because he is qouting the Jaimini > Sutra verbatum. Finding excuses such as Desha Kala Patra, etc. are > just excuses and that way we can justify anything, and we will never > become clear in our understanding of astrology. This is exactly the answer I was expecting. It is not important whether I think Mesha or Vrishabha Navamsa are correct. What matters is that we discuss jyotish with jyotish arguments, not with the arguments that parents or hospital recorded the birthtime correctly. So I may be thinking that Navamsa Lagna is Vrishabha, but I want to hear the strong Arguments for this.This is the way Sanjaji taught me, and actually he did that to us, changing the amsa charts and asking for the arguments.So far, Visti is the first who gave the solid argument. Look below please > Lakshmi stated that Taurus navamsa lagna itself will give > association and happiness/sorrow with cows... This will apply in any > case with her as Taurus is also the KARAKAMSA. So this situation > won’t change with her change in navamsa lagna. Infact it shows that > she will face sorrow from cows when the Ishta Devata – Narasimhadev > gets angry. This is it exactly, that is the reason why I was counterargumenting. > Furthermore, for the rajasambandha yoga to occur through navamsa > lagna being the same as the karakamsa, the Sun and dispositor of > karakamsa, must be strong. Here the Sun is in an aditya chandala > yoga, hence ALL rajasambandha yogas are blocked/inhibited. Secondly > the place where the yogas will come from is seen from the > dispositor, and this is Venus in the seventh house which resulted in > a husband with a very high position within a spiritual organisation. > This being placed in scorpio must have given some complications > though, but i disagree with the statement about violence from Zoran. RIGHT!!!! I was waiting to hear this.This is the main arguement for Vrishabha Lagna.Dispositor of AK in navamsa Lagna is in 7th so that means that name and fame can come through husband (Venus also). Yes, complications the right word. Though, Venus in scorpio does give some poison spreading. Guru aspecting being in trines can counterpart it. > Lastly, knowing Lakshmi she is a soft and nice character, and > navamsa lagna in Aries does not promote these qualities in her, and > instead would make her very agressive and direct by nature. She > would also be more found of physical labour with such a navamsa > lagna, whereas Saturn in Taurus-navamsa lagna, would force her to > work and labour out of necessity though she would not be fond of it. Here, Visti, do not be biased, this si exactly I was trying to avoid, to put aside our knowledge of Laksmi. Let us say, we have never seen her, and the chart was shown.Mars as a lord of Mesha would be in Kanya so the direct nature could be handled intellectually, so I am trying to avoid such arguments. > Karakamsa on the navamsa lagna also gives an idea of having a > special purpose in this world. I.e. some position of great > importance, rather than the humbling experience of having navamsa > lagna in the twelfth from karakamsa. This is good. And who gives such an idea of special purpose, but ahamkar. Are we really special or one among the millions atma in this world...It also indicates the perfect match of desire of the soul with a person's dharma. This is the correct word I was waiting, " humbling experience of having navamsa lagna in the twelfth from Karakamsa " Yes, the person is humble that is the right word, since Ishtadevata would be read from Lagna, God is sitting on our head. Thanks for joining:) Best wishes Zoran > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > http://srigaruda.com > *** > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sourav > 27 April 2006 04:02 > sohamsa > Re: Acqusition of cows > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > Dear Zoran-ji, > Namaskar. Then AK in any other houses > will not produce spiritualists ? Spirituality and degree of it is a > very subtle thing to judge. Navamsa is dharma-amsa and also > bhagya-amsa. Best and final judgement of Spirituality (if at all) > comes from both Navamsa and Vimsamsa which is the varga showing > struggles in spiritual understanding and spiritual life. > Trines to Navamsa Lagna shows possibilities and talents that are > possible to manifest. Sun in trines can give musical talent and > sense of rythym. Ketu and Sun both can give jyotish, ganita etc. > Here jyotish manifested. Why ? It can be seen from other factors and > the chart in the entirity. > When I said firm ground I meant facts of life viz. career, > education, marriage, etc which we are sure of with dates etc. Only > saying oh ! 2nd AK will give you good spiritualit, so lets put AK > there is not a firm ground in my sense. That way the birth time > changes by 13 mins or so and hence many vargas change and may not > tally with facts. I am not opposing any proposition of Navamsa lagna > but I wanted to see if it is concrete or just thrown in as a doubt > and further inspection. > By the way Ramana Maharshi had Chandra AK in the 11th, Srila > Prabhupada had AK Rahu in the 11th, Swami Shivananda had Chandra AK > in the 8th. Of course there are spiritual giants with AK in the 2nd > as well. I am in no position to judge who is more spiritual and who > is less. > Thanks for a good discussion. > Best wishes, > Sourav > ================================================================= > > sohamsa , Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa wrote: >> >> OM Gurave Namah, >> Dear Sourav, >> Perhaps we misunderstood. I did not want to argue, but to discuss the >> jyotish with arguments:)You are mentioning the firm ground when we >> propose the change of lagna. And my firm ground was: AK in 2nd gives >> spiritual person, since 12th house will rise, depending on the karaka. >> Also, other technique I mentioned comes from Jaimini Sutra, so the >> ground is very firm, isn't it?. Simply saying surya and ketu in 9th >> house from Navamsa Lagna gives jyotish is not correct. A person can be >> a musician or a mathematician, and never get an idea of a jyotish.That >> is the reason I gave the arguments. My intention was not to argue, but >> to discuss, so If I in any way hurt your feelings, I do apologize. It >> was not intention though. I am very argumentative for the sake of >> truth and knowldege-Surya in 10th house in Navamsa.Thank you for >> discussion and I really enjoy it >> Best wishes >> Zoran >> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna || >> > Dear Zoran-ji, >> > Namaskar. Please do not take >> > me in the wrong way. " I am not sure that Mesha navamsa Lagna >> > describes Lakshmi-ji's inherent nature and qualities " means that I >> > dont think so. It is just a way of saying. You asked her to change >> > Navamsa lagna to Mesha by going back more than 13 mins or so just by >> > thinking that Shani should be in the 2nd and Sun/Ketu should be in >> > the 10th. I dont think there is solid grounds to do that. That was >> > the purpose of my posing the questions. It is always good to have >> > doubts and change lagnas. But is it better to have a firm ground >> > whenever you are proposing a lagna. Anyway didn't meant to argue in >> > any sense. Thank you for the discussion. >> > Best wishes, >> > Sourav >> > ================================================================ >> >> > sohamsa , Zoran Radosavljevic ahimsa@ wrote: >> >> >> >> Om Gurave Namah, >> >> Dear Sourav, >> >> Ketu and Sun will remain in the 9th from Karakamsa if you change >> >> navamsa lagna too. I guess you meant Ketu- Sun in the 9th from >> >> Navamsa Lagna. There are few other points. Many Jyotishas need not >> >> have ketu in trines to Navamsa Lagna. In my chart, ketu is conjoined >> >> AK which is the main source of Knowledge, being Ishta and Dharma >> >> devata. You have to offer more than " being not sure " , we need jyotish >> >> arguments, that is the reason why I raised this question, It is not >> >> important who is right here, but what is the truth, so We should >> >> always critically approcah and not take things for granted but apply >> >> jyotish knowledge what we've been taught. Ak in 2nd from navamsa lagna >> >> gives spiritual people, and mesha navamsa when comes back to rasi >> >> chart indicates 11th house, so the 2nd thereof will rise which is >> >> 12th, spirituality and path towards moksa. Anyway, check the dasamsa >> >> and you will find that what Laksmi states fits nicely. My point is >> >> that what you say for Surya Ketu Yoga in 9th is correct from Navamsa >> >> lagna, however it is not the only criterium for jyotish. And finally, >> >> Grahas in navamsa do not show profession. One more thing, I am not >> >> saying, yes this is correct, but want to check all possibilities, >> >> since most of the time the birthtime will not be correct. I feel we >> >> can easily come out of this if Laksmi sends birthtime of children. >> >> Guruji used to do this to us, to purposely change the varga charts >> >> end see what arguments we can offer. >> >> Best wishes >> >> Zoran >> >> >> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna || >> >> > Dear Zoran-ji, >> >> > Namaskar. I knew that you will find >> >> > jyotish connections elsewhere. However, I am trying to deal with >> >> > some facts and fit in. Ketu-Sun in the 9th from Karakaamsa gives (1) >> >> > high degree of spiritual knowlegde and no need to put AK in the 2nd. >> >> > (2) Ketu and Sun in the 9th from Navamsa lagna shows jyotish >> >> > learning from teacher/Guru. I am not sure Mesha lagnamsa describes >> >> > her personality and inherent qualities. Besides Vrishabha lagnamsa >> >> > shows happiness and/or misery from animals and with Shani sitting >> >> > there, it is quite likely to come. >> >> > I am not sure animal husbandry is her main profession. Would Lakshmi-ji kindly tell ? >> >> > Best wishes, >> >> > Sourav >> >> > >> ================================================================= >> >> >> >> > sohamsa , Zoran Radosavljevic ahimsa@ wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Om Gurave Namah, >> >> >> Dear Sourav, >> >> >> Why should the jyotish skills come only from Navamsa trines? >> >> >> First rasi chart: Shani Ak aspecting 11th house, and Guru exalted in >> >> >> 2nd bhava and Budha in 8th, actually 5 planets in Panaphara bhavas >> >> >> which give knowledge of the four gayatris. Further, if there are no >> >> >> planets in trines to Navamsa lagna, check the lords. Surya is 5th lord >> >> >> conjoined Ketu in 10th bhava, so she can even have income from >> >> >> Jyotish. Further,there are malefics in trines to karakamsa including >> >> >> ketu (Ganesha Vidya). Further go to Jagannath Drekkana, surya is in >> >> >> the 8th bhava which is very good for Astrology, naturally >> >> >> drawn towards that type of karma, which can even be obstacle towards >> >> >> the moksa:) >> >> >> Hope that it helped >> >> >> Best wishes >> >> >> Zoran >> >> >> >> >> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna || >> >> >> > Dear Zoran-ji, >> >> >> > Namaskar. Just a question : with Mesha >> >> >> > Navamsa, no grahas are in trines to Navamsa Lagna and doesn't give >> >> >> > strong jyotish connections. >> >> >> > Best wishes, >> >> >> > Sourav >> >> >> > >> >> >> ================================================================= >> >> >> > sohamsa , Zoran Radosavljevic ahimsa@ wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Om Gurave Namah, >> >> >> >> Dear Laksmi, >> >> >> >> One of the most important sloka goes by Jaimini, shloka 1.2.41 >> >> >> >> Sun is in the 10th from Swamsa, aspected by Guru, gives milkman or >> >> >> >> animal husbandry. If such combination is found in 10th from Navamsa >> >> >> >> lagna it indicates the wealth from these sources. >> >> >> >> Best wishes >> >> >> >> Zoran >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Tuesday, April 25, 2006, 6:39:24 PM, you wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hare Krishna >> >> >> >> > Dear Jyotisha >> >> >> >> > Does anyone know what indicates the gain or acquistion of cattle? >> >> >> >> > Recently i got 3 more cows. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I dont mean, donating them ,or gains from them, >> >> >> >> > just receiving or buying of cattle references from the classics im >> >> >> >> > looking for, >> >> >> >> > thank-you >> >> >> >> > Lakshmi >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > *tat savitur varenyam* >> >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Zoran, Yes, but our approach was slightly different. We were not focussing on the navamsha lagna. We were focussing on Taurus (yes, and the Moon Lakshmi). In what way is Taurus and the Moon highlighted in her chart? Taurus happens to be swamsha and karakamsha, and in more ways than one, comes into focus. My approach is more that of Sanjay Prabhakaran's and Lakshmi Ramesh's. Best Regards, Sarbani Zoran Radosavljevic [ahimsa] Thursday, April 27, 2006 4:48 PM Sarbani Sarkar Re[2]: Re: Acqusition of cows Om Gurave Namah, Dear Sarbani, > Further, if the Swamsa and Karakamsa are the same then the aspirations > and the actualisation of those aspirations will converge. This is the right thread I've been waiting for. Before Visti and You noone has raised such arguments for taurus navamsa. About the rest, I fully agree. Best wishes Zoran > Atmakaraka Saturn (karaka for 6th house) in Taurus amsha shows her > innate love for cows, more a connection with her association with > Krishna rather than as a source of income. > > Lakshmi, curdled cheese would be more of a Venusian influence I > think. Venus rules the sour taste and curds and yoghurts. Moon would > be more of a pure milk. > > Best Regards, > > Sarbani > > > > B Lakshmi Ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:01 AM > sohamsa > Re: Acqusition of cows > Om Gurave Namah > Dear Lakshmi, > For me the two connections to cows seem to be Taurus (go-shala as > stated by Sarbani) and Moon. Though Taurus is the go-shala, the cow > is more indicated by Moon/cancer than by taurus, in my view. > In your chart, I find that Saturn is in the nakshatra of Jupiter and > is conjunct Moon. Rahu is in Sagittarius and can give the results of > either Jupiter or Saturn. Thus all three planets are connected to > Cancer and Mercury, the pratyantar dasa lord, also aspects cancer, > so when Jupiter (the karaka for wealth and your chara Dara karaka > too)transited over natal Saturn, I think you were blessed with the > cows. > That's my elementary analysis, and i am sure that it comes with many > loop holes:--)) > Thanks for starting the thread, because I am learning a great deal > from the discussions of all of you. > Regards, > Lakshmi > sohamsa , " lakshmikary " <lakshmikary > wrote: >> >> Hare Krishna >> Dear Jyotisha >> Does anyone know what indicates the gain or acquistion of cattle? >> Recently i got 3 more cows. >> >> I dont mean, donating them ,or gains from them, >> just receiving or buying of cattle references from the classics im >> looking for, >> thank-you >> Lakshmi >> > *tat savitur varenyam* > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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