Acqusition of cows

April 26, 2006

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

Dear Lakshmi,

The sign involved for Cows, Bulls etc is Vrishabha. The natural Village

sign. And properties and vehicles related to Villages are given by Sun,

being 4th lord from Vrishabha. Hence Conjunction Sun with Jupiter

(Wealth kaaraka) will give high village related properties. Wealth is

seen from D2 and Properties from D4.

Doesnt Jaimini also say with vrishaba in the navamsa lagna the

person will get happiness and sorrows from cows?I have both,I get alot of pleasure milking the cows and caring for

Trines in Navamsa indicates ablities. The Taurus Navamsa indicates that

that your abilities and liking for caring like a Village person

(Taurus).

them but , it was a horse accident and a accident with a bull thatended up cracking up my neck and my back!

The Atmakaaraka in Taurus (Swamsa lagna) indicates trouble pertaining

from that sign. Hence Taurus indicated troubles from Bulls

(Vrishaba)[JUS]. I would think mercury gave trouble from horse. I Think

this trouble is akin to Atmakaaraka dasa giving trouble. The worship of

Ishta devata is the solution. In your case it's Lakshmi Narasimha deva

(Aries in D9 aspected by Venus).

also I was thinking that taurus rising,(a bull) with 5/9/10 lords

in it would be good indication for cow protection as well.however,Why does Saturn , rahu antara dasa give me so many new animals ? Bythe time Rahu antara(vmishottari dasa) is over, I will have anohterbaby cow and many baby goats.

The Yoga Kaaraka Saturn in Taurus Navamsa lagna gave blessings from Taurus sign.

Analysing the dasa by divinding by fourth rule, Saturn Being a malefic,

It will give blessing to the sing only in last 4-3/4 Years (19/4).

Hence Blessing of Yogakaaraka to taurus comes up last.

Also Note that in Kashinatha hora(D2k) for wealth (2nd house for

famil,wealth, food etc). Saturn is in Taurus again. Being 9th lord and

with A9.

Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

Sat MD: 1991-05-03 (16:17:22) - 2010-05-03 (13:09:25)

Antardasas in this MD:

Sat: 1991-05-03 (16:17:22) - 1994-05-06 (13:05:13)

Merc: 1994-05-06 (13:05:13) - 1997-01-14 (22:01:45)

Ket: 1997-01-14 (22:01:45) - 1998-02-22 (15:40:58)

Ven: 1998-02-22 (15:40:58) - 2001-04-23 (23:34:55)

Sun: 2001-04-23 (23:34:55) - 2002-04-05 (20:33:49)

Moon: 2002-04-05 (20:33:49) - 2003-11-08 (17:31:14)

Mars: 2003-11-08 (17:31:14) - 2004-12-16 (12:33:01)

Rah: 2004-12-16 (12:33:01) - 2007-10-24 (18:14:48)

Jup: 2007-10-24 (18:14:48) - 2010-05-03 (13:09:25)

I was expecting some bad things in Saturn rahu, but actually it hasbeen alright , just had a few operations and finances were tight,

lost some money,etc. otherwise its been fine.I got my 1st cow in Jupiter maha Mars antara dasa vimshottari.

This happened in Last part of Jupiter dasa, using divide by four rule.

Your Jupiter is very nice sama-saptaka yoga 1-7 With Sun in D1, D2k, D4

and D9. aspected by Taurus sign. Hence these blessings gave rise to

liking, fortune, wealth thru it.

Warm Regards

Sanjay P

First horses etc I got in Rahu maha dasaLooking for more references.best wishes,

Lakshmisohamsa , " Sourav " <souravc108 wrote:>>> || Hare Rama Krishna ||>> Dear Zoran-ji,

>>

Namaskar. Just a question : with Mesha> Navamsa, no grahas are in trines to Navamsa Lagna and doesn't give> strong jyotish connections.>> Best wishes,>> Sourav>> =================================================================

> sohamsa , Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa@>wrote:> >> > Om Gurave Namah,> > Dear Laksmi,> > One of the most important sloka goes by Jaimini, shloka 1.2.41> > Sun is in the 10th from Swamsa, aspected by Guru, gives milkmanor> > animal husbandry. If such combination is found in 10th fromNavamsa> > lagna it indicates the wealth from these sources.

> > Best wishes> > Zoran> >> > Tuesday, April 25, 2006, 6:39:24 PM, you wrote:> >> > > Hare Krishna> > > Dear Jyotisha> > > Does anyone know what indicates the gain or acquistion of

cattle?> > > Recently i got 3 more cows.> >> > > I dont mean, donating them ,or gains from them,> > > just receiving or buying of cattle references from theclassics im

> > > looking for,> > > thank-you> > > Lakshmi> >> >> >> >> >> > > *tat savitur varenyam*> > >

April 26, 2006

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

Dear Sarbani,

>I am very glad you brought up the subject of Taurus. Taurus as you know is the go-shala of >the zodiac. The Moon is also connected. The 6th house is the house of domestic animals/pets.

I

would also like to add, The purest form of Taurus, Gokul. Where

Krishna grewup. In fact the devata for Taurus is Vasudeva. A name

used both for Krishna and Krishna's father. Om Vasudevaya Namah is the

mantra for Taurus. Remeber we both have our moons in Taurus

Warm Regards and love

Sanjay P

On 4/26/06, Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote:

Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

Dear Lakshmi,

I am very glad you brought up the subject of Taurus. Taurus as you know is the go-shala of the zodiac. The Moon is also connected. The 6th house is the house of domestic animals/pets. I cannot see the pattern in your chart; yet somewhere AK Saturn is connected. Saturn is with Mercury in Taurus navamsha. I think we are missing something there; I don't know what. Saturn's transit into Moon's sign also seems to have something to do with it. On 25th march, your 6th lord Mars was transiting Taurus. There is some clue here that I am unable to pinpoint.

Are your cows an essential part of your life? Do you connect with them at a soul level? Do you see a connection with Krishna? Would you say that your fortunes turned after you started keeping cows? Do you love them intensely?

They are also a source of income as 6th lord Ketu is in the 11th house from Arudha Lagna. The other 6th lord Mars is in your 10th house of karma.

Best Regards,

Sarbani

lakshmikary [lakshmikary] Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:04 AMsohamsa Subject: Re: Acqusition of cows

Hare KrishnaDear Zoran,Doesnt Jaimini also say with vrishaba in the navamsa lagna the person will get happiness and sorrows from cows?I have both,I get alot of pleasure milking the cows and caring for them but , it was a horse accident and a accident with a bull that ended up cracking up my neck and my back!also I was thinking that taurus rising,(a bull) with 5/9/10 lords in it would be good indication for cow protection as well.however, Why does Saturn , rahu antara dasa give me so many new animals ? By the time Rahu antara(vmishottari dasa) is over, I will have anohter baby cow and many baby goats.I was expecting some bad things in Saturn rahu, but actually it has been alright , just had a few operations and finances were tight, lost some money,etc. otherwise its been fine.I got my 1st cow in Jupiter maha Mars antara dasa vimshottari.First horses etc I got in Rahu maha dasaLooking for more references.best wishes,Lakshmisohamsa , " Sourav " <souravc108 wrote:>> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Dear Zoran-ji,> >

Namaskar. Just a question : with Mesha> Navamsa, no grahas are in trines to Navamsa Lagna and doesn't give> strong jyotish connections.> > Best wishes,> > Sourav> > =================================================================> sohamsa , Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa@> wrote:> >> > Om Gurave Namah,> > Dear Laksmi,> > One of the most important sloka goes by Jaimini, shloka 1.2.41> > Sun is in the 10th from Swamsa, aspected by Guru, gives milkman or> > animal husbandry. If such combination is found in 10th from Navamsa> > lagna it indicates the wealth from these sources.> > Best wishes> > Zoran> >> > Tuesday, April 25, 2006, 6:39:24 PM, you wrote:> >> > > Hare Krishna> > > Dear Jyotisha> > > Does anyone know what indicates the gain or acquistion of cattle?> > > Recently i got 3 more cows.> >> > > I dont mean, donating them ,or gains from them,> > > just receiving or buying of cattle references from the classics im> > > looking for,> > > thank-you> > > Lakshmi> >> >> >> >> >> > > *tat savitur varenyam*> > >

April 26, 2006

Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

Dear Sanjayp,

That is exactly what I was trying to drive at! Thanks for verbalising my thoughts.

Best Regards,

Sarbani

Sanjay Prabhakaran [sanjaychettiar] Wednesday, April 26, 2006 8:13 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Re: Acqusition of cows

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Sarbani,

>I am very glad you brought up the subject of Taurus. Taurus as you know is the go-shala of >the zodiac. The Moon is also connected. The 6th house is the house of domestic animals/pets. I would also like to add, The purest form of Taurus, Gokul. Where Krishna grewup. In fact the devata for Taurus is Vasudeva. A name used both for Krishna and Krishna's father. Om Vasudevaya Namah is the mantra for Taurus. Remeber we both have our moons in Taurus :)Warm Regards and loveSanjay P

On 4/26/06, Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote:

Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

Dear Lakshmi,

I am very glad you brought up the subject of Taurus. Taurus as you know is the go-shala of the zodiac. The Moon is also connected. The 6th house is the house of domestic animals/pets. I cannot see the pattern in your chart; yet somewhere AK Saturn is connected. Saturn is with Mercury in Taurus navamsha. I think we are missing something there; I don't know what. Saturn's transit into Moon's sign also seems to have something to do with it. On 25th march, your 6th lord Mars was transiting Taurus. There is some clue here that I am unable to pinpoint.

Are your cows an essential part of your life? Do you connect with them at a soul level? Do you see a connection with Krishna? Would you say that your fortunes turned after you started keeping cows? Do you love them intensely?

They are also a source of income as 6th lord Ketu is in the 11th house from Arudha Lagna. The other 6th lord Mars is in your 10th house of karma.

Best Regards,

Sarbani

lakshmikary [lakshmikary] Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:04 AMsohamsa Subject: Re: Acqusition of cows

Hare KrishnaDear Zoran,Doesnt Jaimini also say with vrishaba in the navamsa lagna the person will get happiness and sorrows from cows?I have both,I get alot of pleasure milking the cows and caring for them but , it was a horse accident and a accident with a bull that ended up cracking up my neck and my back!also I was thinking that taurus rising,(a bull) with 5/9/10 lords in it would be good indication for cow protection as well.however, Why does Saturn , rahu antara dasa give me so many new animals ? By the time Rahu antara(vmishottari dasa) is over, I will have anohter baby cow and many baby goats.I was expecting some bad things in Saturn rahu, but actually it has been alright , just had a few operations and finances were tight, lost some money,etc. otherwise its been fine.I got my 1st cow in Jupiter maha Mars antara dasa vimshottari.First horses etc I got in Rahu maha dasaLooking for more references.best wishes,Lakshmisohamsa , "Sourav" <souravc108 wrote:>> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Dear Zoran-ji,> > Namaskar. Just a question : with Mesha> Navamsa, no grahas are in trines to Navamsa Lagna and doesn't give> strong jyotish connections.> > Best wishes,> > Sourav> > =================================================================> sohamsa , Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa@> wrote:> >> > Om Gurave Namah,> > Dear Laksmi,> > One of the most important sloka goes by Jaimini, shloka 1.2.41> > Sun is in the 10th from Swamsa, aspected by Guru, gives milkman or> > animal husbandry. If such combination is found in 10th from Navamsa> > lagna it indicates the wealth from these sources.> > Best wishes> > Zoran> >> > Tuesday, April 25, 2006, 6:39:24 PM, you wrote:> >> > > Hare Krishna> > > Dear Jyotisha> > > Does anyone know what indicates the gain or acquistion of cattle?> > > Recently i got 3 more cows.> >> > > I dont mean, donating them ,or gains from them,> > > just receiving or buying of cattle references from the classics im> > > looking for,> > > thank-you> > > Lakshmi> >> >> >> >> >> > > *tat savitur varenyam*> > >

April 26, 2006

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Dear SanjayP-ji,

namaskar. Lakshmi-ji's tithi is Krishna-ashtami. So Krishna is trusting her with few cows

Best wishes,

Sourav

=============================================================sohamsa , "Sanjay Prabhakaran" <sanjaychettiar wrote:>> || Om Gurave Namah ||> Dear Sarbani,> > > >I am very glad you brought up the subject of Taurus. Taurus as you know is> the go-shala of >the zodiac. The Moon is also connected. The 6th house is> the house of domestic animals/pets.> > > I would also like to add, The purest form of Taurus, Gokul. Where Krishna> grewup. In fact the devata for Taurus is Vasudeva. A name used both for> Krishna and Krishna's father. Om Vasudevaya Namah is the mantra for Taurus.> Remeber we both have our moons in Taurus > > Warm Regards and love> Sanjay P> > > > On 4/26/06, Sarbani Sarkar sarbani wrote:> >> > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami> > **> > Dear Lakshmi,> >> > I am very glad you brought up the subject of Taurus. Taurus as you know is> > the go-shala of the zodiac. The Moon is also connected. The 6th house is the> > house of domestic animals/pets. I cannot see the pattern in your chart; yet> > somewhere AK Saturn is connected. Saturn is with Mercury in Taurus navamsha.> > I think we are missing something there; I don't know what. Saturn's transit> > into Moon's sign also seems to have something to do with it. On 25th march,> > your 6th lord Mars was transiting Taurus. There is some clue here that I am> > unable to pinpoint.> >> > Are your cows an essential part of your life? Do you connect with them at> > a soul level? Do you see a connection with Krishna? Would you say that your> > fortunes turned after you started keeping cows? Do you love them intensely?> >> > They are also a source of income as 6th lord Ketu is in the 11th house> > from Arudha Lagna. The other 6th lord Mars is in your 10th house of karma.> >> > Best Regards,> >> > Sarbani> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------> > ** lakshmikary [lakshmikary]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:04 AM> > *To:* sohamsa > > *Subject:* Re: Acqusition of cows> >> > Hare Krishna> > Dear Zoran,> > Doesnt Jaimini also say with vrishaba in the navamsa lagna the> > person will get happiness and sorrows from cows?> > I have both,I get alot of pleasure milking the cows and caring for> > them but , it was a horse accident and a accident with a bull that> > ended up cracking up my neck and my back!> > also I was thinking that taurus rising,(a bull) with 5/9/10 lords> > in it would be good indication for cow protection as well.> > however,> > Why does Saturn , rahu antara dasa give me so many new animals ? By> > the time Rahu antara(vmishottari dasa) is over, I will have anohter> > baby cow and many baby goats.> > I was expecting some bad things in Saturn rahu, but actually it has> > been alright , just had a few operations and finances were tight,> > lost some money,etc. otherwise its been fine.> > I got my 1st cow in Jupiter maha Mars antara dasa vimshottari.> > First horses etc I got in Rahu maha dasa> > Looking for more references.> > best wishes,> > Lakshmi> >> >> > sohamsa , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > >> > > Dear Zoran-ji,> > >> > > Namaskar. Just a question : with Mesha> > > Navamsa, no grahas are in trines to Navamsa Lagna and doesn't give> > > strong jyotish connections.> > >> > > Best wishes,> > >> > > Sourav> > >> > > =================================================================> > > sohamsa , Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa@>> > wrote:> > > >> > > > Om Gurave Namah,> > > > Dear Laksmi,> > > > One of the most important sloka goes by Jaimini, shloka 1.2.41> > > > Sun is in the 10th from Swamsa, aspected by Guru, gives milkman> > or> > > > animal husbandry. If such combination is found in 10th from> > Navamsa> > > > lagna it indicates the wealth from these sources.> > > > Best wishes> > > > Zoran> > > >> > > > Tuesday, April 25, 2006, 6:39:24 PM, you wrote:> > > >> > > > > Hare Krishna> > > > > Dear Jyotisha> > > > > Does anyone know what indicates the gain or acquistion of> > cattle?> > > > > Recently i got 3 more cows.> > > >> > > > > I dont mean, donating them ,or gains from them,> > > > > just receiving or buying of cattle references from the> > classics im> > > > > looking for,> > > > > thank-you> > > > > Lakshmi> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > *tat savitur varenyam*> > > > >

April 26, 2006

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Sourav,

I have to agree with you that, from knowing Lakshmi well, Vrishaba Navamsha lagna makes perect sense. You can be very spiritual with AK in Navamsha lagna too. Instead of being born with a "silver spoon" in your birth family, perhaps it could indicate a soul level connection with a high quality spiritual family. After all, we're talking about the Navamsha chart...

Best wishes,

Willa

www.homeopathytraining.org

-

Sourav

sohamsa

Wednesday, April 26, 2006 5:44 AM

Re: Acqusition of cows

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Dear Zoran-ji,

Namaskar. Please do not take me in the wrong way. "I am not sure that Mesha navamsa Lagna describes Lakshmi-ji's inherent nature and qualities" means that I dont think so. It is just a way of saying. You asked her to change Navamsa lagna to Mesha by going back more than 13 mins or so just by thinking that Shani should be in the 2nd and Sun/Ketu should be in the 10th. I dont think there is solid grounds to do that. That was the purpose of my posing the questions. It is always good to have doubts and change lagnas. But is it better to have a firm ground whenever you are proposing a lagna. Anyway didn't meant to argue in any sense. Thank you for the discussion.

Best wishes,

Sourav

================================================================

April 26, 2006

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Sourav

and Willa, Namaskar

I second

Zorans oppinion, as if AK is in navamsa lagna the native should have a family

with powerful royal/political connections. THE EXCEPTION is when the dispositor

of karakamsa is badly placed. This was the reason that Sanjayji accepted Rahu-AK

in my navamsa lagna... the dispositor is placed in the eighth house.

In such a

scenarrio the family starts rising after birth, but could be very poor during

birth.

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com

***

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Willa Keizer, C.C.H.

26 April 2006 20:21

sohamsa

Re: Re:

Acqusition of cows

Om Gurave

Namah

Dear Sourav,

I have to agree with you that, from knowing

Lakshmi well, Vrishaba Navamsha lagna makes perect sense. You can be

very spiritual with AK in Navamsha lagna too. Instead of being born with a

" silver spoon " in your birth family, perhaps it

could indicate a soul level connection with a high quality spiritual

family. After all, we're talking about the Navamsha chart...

Best wishes,

Willa

www.homeopathytraining.org

-

Sourav

sohamsa

Wednesday, April 26, 2006 5:44 AM

Re:

Acqusition of cows

|| Hare Rama Krishna

||

Dear

Zoran-ji,

Namaskar. Please do not take me in the wrong way. " I am not sure that

Mesha navamsa Lagna describes Lakshmi-ji's inherent nature and qualities "

means that I dont think so. It is just a way of saying. You asked her to change

Navamsa lagna to Mesha by going back more than 13 mins or so just by thinking

that Shani should be in the 2nd and Sun/Ketu should be in the 10th. I dont

think there is solid grounds to do that. That was the purpose of my posing the

questions. It is always good to have doubts and change lagnas. But is it better

to have a firm ground whenever you are proposing a lagna. Anyway didn't meant

to argue in any sense. Thank you for the discussion.

Best

wishes,

Sourav

================================================================

April 26, 2006

Hare Krishna

Dear everyone,

As a group of astrologers we should be able to determine navamsa

lagna.Visti what navamsa lagna do you think it should be?

Zoran, 13minutes is alot to change birth time, like i said military

time is very accurate.

Zoran, you mentioned rahuwith ex jupiter gives murderer, ok,

assuming we take that when would that occur?

To me, navamsa is especially connected with dharma.So navasma should

definetely show results of previous activites, these can be

collaborated with rashi as well.

How else can we determine? Theres the AK family factor,

(compared to most people in the world my family is well off.In

reality they are from middle class, but live amongst upper class.

Live in esteemed area, went to pretigious colleges etc)

What does rasi say about my family?

In navamsa we can see skills or aptitude coming from previous births.

In college professor wanted me to pursue writing,

I was very artistic until neck injury damaged nerves in hands.

Good in medical and dealing animals.

Good in astrology( i hope)

ability in psychic or subtle science.

Did good job in business.

Love music and listen to it all the time, but cant sing at all,

cant carry a tone.etc

But we shouldnt mix up indications of 1) lagna with AK and

2)navamsa lagna

what else is there?

Sanjay taught to look at the forth house/lord in navamsa for health

issues. I can gather some health data for you.

I rarely if ever get sick with colds, flu etc, my body has

OVERactive immune response, too many allergies.

I had alot of operations, 2x back , knee,hernias 2x,neck,ceasarian,

tonsils, right hand and arm.etc

SAnjay has been giving many talks on navamsa. If we dont agree on my

lagna then we still need to learn more.

It shouldnt be so hard to figure out.

Visti and Zoran , please give your arguments for different lagnas,

perhaps we can find something else out.

thank-you

Lakshmi

sohamsa , " Visti Larsen " <visti wrote:

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Sourav and Willa, Namaskar

>

> I second Zorans oppinion, as if AK is in navamsa lagna the native

should

> have a family with powerful royal/political connections. THE

EXCEPTION is

> when the dispositor of karakamsa is badly placed. This was the

reason that

> Sanjayji accepted Rahu-AK in my navamsa lagna... the dispositor is

placed in

> the eighth house.

>

> In such a scenarrio the family starts rising after birth, but

could be very

> poor during birth.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> For services and articles visit:

>

> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

>

> ***

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

Behalf Of

> Willa Keizer, C.C.H.

> 26 April 2006 20:21

> sohamsa

> Re: Re: Acqusition of cows

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Sourav,

>

> I have to agree with you that, from knowing Lakshmi well,

Vrishaba

> Navamsha lagna makes perect sense. You can be very spiritual with

AK in

> Navamsha lagna too. Instead of being born with a " silver spoon " in

your

> birth family, perhaps it could indicate a soul level connection

with a high

> quality spiritual family. After all, we're talking about the

Navamsha

> chart...

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Willa

>

> www.homeopathytraining.org

>

> -

>

> Sourav <souravc108

>

> sohamsa

>

> Wednesday, April 26, 2006 5:44 AM

>

> Re: Acqusition of cows

>

> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>

> Dear Zoran-ji,

>

> Namaskar. Please do not take me

in the

> wrong way. " I am not sure that Mesha navamsa Lagna describes

Lakshmi-ji's

> inherent nature and qualities " means that I dont think so. It is

just a way

> of saying. You asked her to change Navamsa lagna to Mesha by going

back more

> than 13 mins or so just by thinking that Shani should be in the

2nd and

> Sun/Ketu should be in the 10th. I dont think there is solid

grounds to do

> that. That was the purpose of my posing the questions. It is

always good to

> have doubts and change lagnas. But is it better to have a firm

ground

> whenever you are proposing a lagna. Anyway didn't meant to argue

in any

> sense. Thank you for the discussion.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Sourav

>

> ================================================================

>

*tat savitur varenyam*

>

April 27, 2006

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Lakshmi,

For me the two connections to cows seem to be Taurus (go-shala as

stated by Sarbani) and Moon. Though Taurus is the go-shala, the cow

is more indicated by Moon/cancer than by taurus, in my view.

In your chart, I find that Saturn is in the nakshatra of Jupiter and

is conjunct Moon. Rahu is in Sagittarius and can give the results of

either Jupiter or Saturn. Thus all three planets are connected to

Cancer and Mercury, the pratyantar dasa lord, also aspects cancer,

so when Jupiter (the karaka for wealth and your chara Dara karaka

too)transited over natal Saturn, I think you were blessed with the

cows.

That's my elementary analysis, and i am sure that it comes with many

loop holes:--))

Thanks for starting the thread, because I am learning a great deal

from the discussions of all of you.

Regards,

Lakshmi

sohamsa , " lakshmikary " <lakshmikary

wrote:

>

> Hare Krishna

> Dear Jyotisha

> Does anyone know what indicates the gain or acquistion of cattle?

> Recently i got 3 more cows.

>

> I dont mean, donating them ,or gains from them,

> just receiving or buying of cattle references from the classics im

> looking for,

> thank-you

> Lakshmi

>

April 27, 2006

Om Gurave Namah,

Dear Laksmi,

> Hare Krishna

> Dear everyone,

> As a group of astrologers we should be able to determine navamsa

> lagna.Visti what navamsa lagna do you think it should be?

> Zoran, 13minutes is alot to change birth time, like i said military

> time is very accurate.

I never trust the birthtime blindly. You may be right, but my

experience is to doubt it:)

Ok- Vrishabha Navamsa Lagna

1.Sk in Vrischika in 7th bhava- oversexed with some violence seen in

marital/emotional life

2. Mangal in 5th- the problem with ulcers, and extremely short

tempered, and prone to mistakes due to a rash character

3. Malefics in trines to Navamsa Lagna, bad fortunes and luck

4. Shani and Budha in Navamsa lagna, and ketu aspects or in trines lack of

strength

5. Sa in Navamsa lagna, lack of confidence speaking in front of

audiance, and ability to take up any work

6. Sa-Ke In trines, with Shukra aspect ability for tapas and the

person is very sacrifying and capable to stand up for their ideals.

7. Budha in Lagna aspected by Shani- some knowledge of medicine

And there are more, these are just few points for Vrishaba, and as you

see some of them stand, for others I do not know, you have to tell

Mesha Navamsa

1.Ak in 2nd-very spiritual on the path of moksa

2. Chandra in 7th bhava,a well known husband

3. Guru chandrala Yoga in 4th bhava- lots of disease and health

problems

4.Shukra in 8th bhava very good for spiritual life, less sexuality

So we need more information about your husband for final check

According to what you stated here, Vrisaba navamsa better describes

your talents, but we may be biesed because it is at the same time

Karakasma Lagna, which indicates the knoweldge the atma carries, so it

can overlap. Anyway, besides this arguments which was purely put by me

in order to open a critical open minded discussion, give us some

feedback about your husband, to be sure about the correctness of your

navamsa. Mesha Navamsa indicates some things which are too private to

tell you on the open list. So we can discuss that in private.

Vrishaba Navamsa indicates that your husband was a good critic with

excellent perception, very extreme in attitudes, with strong likings

and dislikings, of a sharp tongue and being a great critic, very

particular about some trifles, liking to keep plans and extremely

logical and analitical.He was supposed to make huge earnings at least

in one period of his life. No Younger siblings should be present or

they should die early. He should have been betrayed by friends at

least once, and he was supposed to be very intelligent with

alternation of superior/inferiour behaviour. His life should have been

a struggle, and at early age, possible financial problems were see. He

considered bachalorship as a virtue and blessing. and so on and on...

Just give me some feedback about husband including time of marriage.

Best wishes

Zoran

> How else can we determine? Theres the AK family factor,

> (compared to most people in the world my family is well off.In

> reality they are from middle class, but live amongst upper class.

> Live in esteemed area, went to pretigious colleges etc)

> What does rasi say about my family?

> In navamsa we can see skills or aptitude coming from previous births.

> In college professor wanted me to pursue writing,

> I was very artistic until neck injury damaged nerves in hands.

> Good in medical and dealing animals.

> Good in astrology( i hope)

> ability in psychic or subtle science.

> Did good job in business.

> Love music and listen to it all the time, but cant sing at all,

> cant carry a tone.etc

> But we shouldnt mix up indications of 1) lagna with AK and

> 2)navamsa lagna

> what else is there?

> Sanjay taught to look at the forth house/lord in navamsa for health

> issues. I can gather some health data for you.

> I rarely if ever get sick with colds, flu etc, my body has

> OVERactive immune response, too many allergies.

> I had alot of operations, 2x back , knee,hernias 2x,neck,ceasarian,

> tonsils, right hand and arm.etc

> SAnjay has been giving many talks on navamsa. If we dont agree on my

> lagna then we still need to learn more.

> It shouldnt be so hard to figure out.

> Visti and Zoran , please give your arguments for different lagnas,

> perhaps we can find something else out.

> thank-you

> Lakshmi

> sohamsa , " Visti Larsen " <visti wrote:

>>

>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>>

>> Dear Sourav and Willa, Namaskar

>>

>> I second Zorans oppinion, as if AK is in navamsa lagna the native

> should

>> have a family with powerful royal/political connections. THE

> EXCEPTION is

>> when the dispositor of karakamsa is badly placed. This was the

> reason that

>> Sanjayji accepted Rahu-AK in my navamsa lagna... the dispositor is

> placed in

>> the eighth house.

>>

>> In such a scenarrio the family starts rising after birth, but

> could be very

>> poor during birth.

>>

>> Best wishes,

>>

>> ***

>>

>> Visti Larsen

>>

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>>

>> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

> Behalf Of

>> Willa Keizer, C.C.H.

>> 26 April 2006 20:21

>> sohamsa

>> Re: Re: Acqusition of cows

>>

>> Om Gurave Namah

>>

>> Dear Sourav,

>>

>> I have to agree with you that, from knowing Lakshmi well,

> Vrishaba

>> Navamsha lagna makes perect sense. You can be very spiritual with

> AK in

>> Navamsha lagna too. Instead of being born with a " silver spoon " in

> your

>> birth family, perhaps it could indicate a soul level connection

> with a high

>> quality spiritual family. After all, we're talking about the

> Navamsha

>> chart...

>>

>> Best wishes,

>>

>> Willa

>>

>> www.homeopathytraining.org

>>

>> -

>>

>> Sourav <souravc108

>>

>> sohamsa

>>

>> Wednesday, April 26, 2006 5:44 AM

>>

>> Re: Acqusition of cows

>>

>> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>>

>> Dear Zoran-ji,

>>

>> Namaskar. Please do not take me

> in the

>> wrong way. " I am not sure that Mesha navamsa Lagna describes

> Lakshmi-ji's

>> inherent nature and qualities " means that I dont think so. It is

> just a way

>> of saying. You asked her to change Navamsa lagna to Mesha by going

> back more

>> than 13 mins or so just by thinking that Shani should be in the

> 2nd and

>> Sun/Ketu should be in the 10th. I dont think there is solid

> grounds to do

>> that. That was the purpose of my posing the questions. It is

> always good to

>> have doubts and change lagnas. But is it better to have a firm

> ground

>> whenever you are proposing a lagna. Anyway didn't meant to argue

> in any

>> sense. Thank you for the discussion.

>>

>> Best wishes,

>>

>> Sourav

>>

>> ================================================================

>>

>> *tat savitur varenyam*

>>

April 27, 2006

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Dear Zoran-ji,

Namaskar. Then AK in any other houses will not produce spiritualists ? Spirituality and degree of it is a very subtle thing to judge. Navamsa is dharma-amsa and also bhagya-amsa. Best and final judgement of Spirituality (if at all) comes from both Navamsa and Vimsamsa which is the varga showing struggles in spiritual understanding and spiritual life

April 27, 2006

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Namaste Zoranji and Souravji,

According to the great Jaimini, if AK is in lagnamsa, the native

belongs to a royal family or is of a noble birth/lineage. With

vrisabha, the AK shani is right there in the lagnamsa. I think this is

the first thing we should ask Lakshmiji. If her answer is no, then I

would say we have one strong reason to not take vrisabha navamsa.

May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

Reema.

sohamsa , Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa wrote:

>

> OM Gurave Namah,

> Dear Sourav,

> Perhaps we misunderstood. I did not want to argue, but to discuss the

> jyotish with arguments:)You are mentioning the firm ground when we

> propose the change of lagna. And my firm ground was: AK in 2nd gives

> spiritual person, since 12th house will rise, depending on the karaka.

> Also, other technique I mentioned comes from Jaimini Sutra, so the

> ground is very firm, isn't it?. Simply saying surya and ketu in 9th

> house from Navamsa Lagna gives jyotish is not correct. A person can be

> a musician or a mathematician, and never get an idea of a jyotish.That

> is the reason I gave the arguments. My intention was not to argue, but

> to discuss, so If I in any way hurt your feelings, I do apologize. It

> was not intention though. I am very argumentative for the sake of

> truth and knowldege-Surya in 10th house in Navamsa.Thank you for

> discussion and I really enjoy it

> Best wishes

> Zoran

>

> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > Dear Zoran-ji,

> > Namaskar. Please do not take

> > me in the wrong way. " I am not sure that Mesha navamsa Lagna

> > describes Lakshmi-ji's inherent nature and qualities " means that I

> > dont think so. It is just a way of saying. You asked her to change

> > Navamsa lagna to Mesha by going back more than 13 mins or so just by

> > thinking that Shani should be in the 2nd and Sun/Ketu should be in

> > the 10th. I dont think there is solid grounds to do that. That was

> > the purpose of my posing the questions. It is always good to have

> > doubts and change lagnas. But is it better to have a firm ground

> > whenever you are proposing a lagna. Anyway didn't meant to argue in

> > any sense. Thank you for the discussion.

> > Best wishes,

> > Sourav

> > ================================================================

>

> > sohamsa , Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa@> wrote:

> >>

> >> Om Gurave Namah,

> >> Dear Sourav,

> >> Ketu and Sun will remain in the 9th from Karakamsa if you change

> >> navamsa lagna too. I guess you meant Ketu- Sun in the 9th from

> >> Navamsa Lagna. There are few other points. Many Jyotishas need not

> >> have ketu in trines to Navamsa Lagna. In my chart, ketu is conjoined

> >> AK which is the main source of Knowledge, being Ishta and Dharma

> >> devata. You have to offer more than " being not sure " , we need jyotish

> >> arguments, that is the reason why I raised this question, It is not

> >> important who is right here, but what is the truth, so We should

> >> always critically approcah and not take things for granted but apply

> >> jyotish knowledge what we've been taught. Ak in 2nd from navamsa

lagna

> >> gives spiritual people, and mesha navamsa when comes back to rasi

> >> chart indicates 11th house, so the 2nd thereof will rise which is

> >> 12th, spirituality and path towards moksa. Anyway, check the dasamsa

> >> and you will find that what Laksmi states fits nicely. My point is

> >> that what you say for Surya Ketu Yoga in 9th is correct from Navamsa

> >> lagna, however it is not the only criterium for jyotish. And finally,

> >> Grahas in navamsa do not show profession. One more thing, I am not

> >> saying, yes this is correct, but want to check all possibilities,

> >> since most of the time the birthtime will not be correct. I feel we

> >> can easily come out of this if Laksmi sends birthtime of children.

> >> Guruji used to do this to us, to purposely change the varga charts

> >> end see what arguments we can offer.

> >> Best wishes

> >> Zoran

> >>

> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> >> > Dear Zoran-ji,

> >> > Namaskar. I knew that you will find

> >> > jyotish connections elsewhere. However, I am trying to deal with

> >> > some facts and fit in. Ketu-Sun in the 9th from Karakaamsa

gives (1)

> >> > high degree of spiritual knowlegde and no need to put AK in the

2nd.

> >> > (2) Ketu and Sun in the 9th from Navamsa lagna shows jyotish

> >> > learning from teacher/Guru. I am not sure Mesha lagnamsa describes

> >> > her personality and inherent qualities. Besides Vrishabha lagnamsa

> >> > shows happiness and/or misery from animals and with Shani sitting

> >> > there, it is quite likely to come.

> >> > I am not sure animal husbandry is her main profession. Would

Lakshmi-ji kindly tell ?

> >> > Best wishes,

> >> > Sourav

> >> > =================================================================

> >>

> >> > sohamsa , Zoran Radosavljevic ahimsa@ wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >> Om Gurave Namah,

> >> >> Dear Sourav,

> >> >> Why should the jyotish skills come only from Navamsa trines?

> >> >> First rasi chart: Shani Ak aspecting 11th house, and Guru

exalted in

> >> >> 2nd bhava and Budha in 8th, actually 5 planets in Panaphara bhavas

> >> >> which give knowledge of the four gayatris. Further, if there

are no

> >> >> planets in trines to Navamsa lagna, check the lords. Surya is

5th lord

> >> >> conjoined Ketu in 10th bhava, so she can even have income from

> >> >> Jyotish. Further,there are malefics in trines to karakamsa

including

> >> >> ketu (Ganesha Vidya). Further go to Jagannath Drekkana, surya

is in

> >> >> the 8th bhava which is very good for Astrology, naturally

> >> >> drawn towards that type of karma, which can even be obstacle

towards

> >> >> the moksa:)

> >> >> Hope that it helped

> >> >> Best wishes

> >> >> Zoran

> >> >>

> >> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> >> >> > Dear Zoran-ji,

> >> >> > Namaskar. Just a question : with

Mesha

> >> >> > Navamsa, no grahas are in trines to Navamsa Lagna and

doesn't give

> >> >> > strong jyotish connections.

> >> >> > Best wishes,

> >> >> > Sourav

> >> >> >

> >> =================================================================

> >> >> > sohamsa , Zoran Radosavljevic ahimsa@

wrote:

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> Om Gurave Namah,

> >> >> >> Dear Laksmi,

> >> >> >> One of the most important sloka goes by Jaimini, shloka 1.2.41

> >> >> >> Sun is in the 10th from Swamsa, aspected by Guru, gives

milkman or

> >> >> >> animal husbandry. If such combination is found in 10th from

Navamsa

> >> >> >> lagna it indicates the wealth from these sources.

> >> >> >> Best wishes

> >> >> >> Zoran

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> Tuesday, April 25, 2006, 6:39:24 PM, you wrote:

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> > Hare Krishna

> >> >> >> > Dear Jyotisha

> >> >> >> > Does anyone know what indicates the gain or acquistion of

cattle?

> >> >> >> > Recently i got 3 more cows.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> > I dont mean, donating them ,or gains from them,

> >> >> >> > just receiving or buying of cattle references from the

classics im

> >> >> >> > looking for,

> >> >> >> > thank-you

> >> >> >> > Lakshmi

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> > *tat savitur varenyam*

> >> >> >> >

April 27, 2006

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Guys,

Namaskar

Zorans

points are very valid because he is qouting the Jaimini Sutra verbatum. Finding

excuses such as Desha Kala Patra, etc. are just excuses and that way we can

justify anything, and we will never become clear in our understanding of

astrology.

Also the

point about sun-jupiter yoga in the tenth is very important as this indicates a

person who will work with cows/animal-husbandry, etc. Its clear that Lakshmi

spends alot of time doing so, and this must show up in her chart.

Lakshmi

stated that Taurus navamsa lagna itself will give association and

happiness/sorrow with cows... This will apply in any case with her as Taurus is

also the KARAKAMSA. So this situation won’t change with her change in

navamsa lagna. Infact it shows that she will face sorrow from cows when the

Ishta Devata – Narasimhadev gets angry.

However,

the reason that Sun-Jupiter yoga in the tenth gives animal-husbandry is because

this gives the effects of Mercury-Rahu on the navamsa lagna itself... the

principle is to count the fourth weekday (including the nodes) from both the

planets; sun=mercury, and jupiter=rahu. So, if a mercury-rahu yoga emerges on

the navamsa lagna itself, it will also give animal husbandry. Mercury is in the

navamsa lagna and aspected by Rahu, thus confirming the case.

Furthermore,

for the rajasambandha yoga to occur through navamsa lagna being the same as the

karakamsa, the Sun and dispositor of karakamsa, must be strong. Here the Sun is

in an aditya chandala yoga, hence ALL

rajasambandha yogas are blocked/inhibited. Secondly the place where the yogas

will come from is seen from the dispositor, and this is Venus in the seventh

house which resulted in a husband with a very high position within a spiritual

organisation. This being placed in scorpio must have given some complications

though, but i disagree with the statement about violence from Zoran.

Lastly,

knowing Lakshmi she is a soft and nice character, and navamsa lagna in Aries

does not promote these qualities in her, and instead would make her very

agressive and direct by nature. She would also be more found of physical labour

with such a navamsa lagna, whereas Saturn in Taurus-navamsa lagna, would force

her to work and labour out of necessity though she would not be fond of it.

Karakamsa on

the navamsa lagna also gives an idea of having a special purpose in this world.

I.e. some position of great importance, rather than the humbling experience of

having navamsa lagna in the twelfth from karakamsa.

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

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http://srigaruda.com

***

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sourav

27 April 2006 04:02

sohamsa

Re: Acqusition

of cows

|| Hare Rama Krishna

||

Dear

Zoran-ji,

Namaskar. Then AK in any other houses will not produce spiritualists ?

Spirituality and degree of it is a very subtle thing to judge. Navamsa is

dharma-amsa and also bhagya-amsa. Best and final judgement of Spirituality

(if at all) comes from both Navamsa and Vimsamsa which is the varga

showing struggles in spiritual understanding and spiritual life.

Trines to

Navamsa Lagna shows possibilities and talents that are possible to manifest.

Sun in trines can give musical talent and sense of rythym. Ketu and Sun both

can give jyotish, ganita etc. Here jyotish manifested. Why ? It can be seen

from other factors and the chart in the entirity.

When I

said firm ground I meant facts of life viz. career, education, marriage, etc

which we are sure of with dates etc. Only saying oh ! 2nd AK will give you good

spiritualit, so lets put AK there is not a firm ground in my sense. That

way the birth time changes by 13 mins or so and hence many vargas change and

may not tally with facts. I am not opposing any proposition of Navamsa lagna

but I wanted to see if it is concrete or just thrown in as a doubt and further

inspection.

By the

way Ramana Maharshi had Chandra AK in the 11th, Srila Prabhupada had AK Rahu in

the 11th, Swami Shivananda had Chandra AK in the 8th. Of course there are

spiritual giants with AK in the 2nd as well. I am in no position to judge who

is more spiritual and who is less.

Thanks

for a good discussion.

Best

wishes,

Sourav

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