Aventurine

April 20, 2007

Namaste Sri SweeThe enlivener comes from the Sun. Mind is when the consciousness enlivens it. Mind is the enlivener of the senses, not the enlivener itself. The ability to do so is given by the consciousness. You will need to study Vedanta for this. I am sorry, but, I do not advocate your theories.

I have full regard for Richard Shaw Brown as a gemologist and the work he is doing for Indian culture. However, when you call something as " dead " , I pronounce it as laughable. Will continue to do so. To me it is as if calling Ma Shakti as " dead " .

I am an independent person and will not change myself to please you or your brethren. Please refrain from using language which is unworthy of you as a person and as a fellow astrologer. You are free to disagree with me and you can express that freely. If you read my post to Sri Gaurav, I have made my position adequately clear on certain things. I may change, if I find contrary results. I do not wish to be anyone's adviser. My purpose of research is to satisfy my curiosity. I shall continue to do so, whether or not someone agrees to it or not OR whether I fit into the mental images (arudhas?) of any member here. Thanks and RegardsBharat (Anuj)On 4/20/07, Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:

Jaya Jagannatha

Namaste Bharat,

The enlivener comes first from Moon – because creation first took seed from Brahma's thoughts when the super intelligences came into being (Saptarishis). In the war between the demons and the gods, Indra, the destroyers of all demonic acts within this intelligent Manoj approached Vishnu whose advice was to offer Ganesh (Ketu – whose abode is in the waters – Venus and exalts in these very same waters. These Gods always travel in their aerial cars-Ketu made of different types of crystals – Moon). In the matter of this quandary between good and evil, the real versus maya, the gods together with Brihaspati had to approach Ganesh as so commanded by (Parvati) Siva, the highest intelligence and the Super Soul – he is also Soma, the pineal gland embedded in between the two halves of the brain.

Shukra uses his sanjivani mantra ( – the personification is Bhauma (Mars) after Shiva swallowed Shukra and the regurgitated result is Mars) and Brihaspati through Dhavantari, uses herbs to revive the gods who have died in the battle. ......(...........) is the rishi who gave the prayer for these 52 kinds of "magical" herbs also considered to be "mani" in the Atharva Veda...

So from muladhara (Ganesh/Ketu) to the super humans like the yogis in which one penance is silence – a mental/Moon/Soma-Shiva/Sun-Moon vrata. It is through this very same Soma/Shiva's profundity, that intelligent doctors do not use placebos to practice on human beings using them as guinea pigs.

Manoj is an entity who has been blessed with an intelligence. In offering penances in his previous life, he's taken birth as a human being and like every common man, is subjected to punishments and blessings from grahas in one's chart.

In the lower echelon, we are discussing grahas who maybe embodiments of energies of these devas and asuras (the mighty bad ones are the pisacas, etc., which I am not discussing here). Moon is never ever the uncaring Mother. Further, the strength of Sun cannot supersede the strength of lagna or its lord that is weak while Jupiter is the karaka of knowledge as he rules the library. In order to tap into his knowledge, we require the Dhi to be quick on the mark which Buddha, his son possesses.

BTW, if you believe in prescribing a synthetic to a needy person, you'll never cut the grade to be my advisor/Jupiter. Richard Brown is a first generation gemmologist ( and because he's associated with family members, he's also a friend), Gaurav is a second generation gemmologist while I am a third generation perfectionist . If you wish to learn from both Gaurav and I, we will be more than happy to do so but only if you desist from advocating nonsensical advice as I still have a lot of regard left for you.

Truce,

Swee

Bharat - Hindu Astrology <astrologyhindu@

gmail.com>

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 01:04:12 +0530

Re: Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] Re: Aventurine

Namaste Sri Swee

Who is Manoj?

Sun is the enlivener itself. It is the consciousness. It is the enlivening factor. Venus is the controller of protection of the pranas or aura. My views on Sun can be read in the archives of Jyotish Group where I had a huge discussion with Sri Pradeep. It was to prove that Sun does not represent the Ego, but, the consciousness.

Sun's strength enlivens the entire horoscope, not only the health. It enlivens sleeping yogas, brings awareness, makes every event profound. It has the potential to give immense knowledge. Just make sure it isn't afflicted.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat (Anuj)

On 19 Apr 2007 10:03:03 -0700, Swee Chan <sweechan <sweechan

> wrote:

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Bharat, Manoj

Namaste

Sun is the primary indicator of health. In Padma Purana, offering pacification rites for the Sun is conducive to good health and wealth. Having a strong Sun makes one understand the deeper knowledge.

It also states that for the murti, you embed Diamonds for the Sun, Pearl for the Moon etc.

The thumb represents the area of the head in shiatzu. Howveer, in Sanjay ji's lessons in Jaimini, he gives an extensive and much deeper meaning for each finger.

Love,

Swee

Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000

<http://> >

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:17:01 -0400 (EDT)

Re: Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] Re: Aventurine

<Venus represents our immune system and protective

aura. If Venus is weak, immune problems are likely to

occur. The protection is always with the grace of

Supreme Consciousness and thus, we wear a gemstone of

Venus on the thumb. Sukra has an immense capability to

control Tamas. You can also relate it to the Mritunjay

Sanjivini Vidya which Sukra Dev had. When Sukra is

strong in a chart, Mahalakshmi blesses the person with

longevity, good health, purposeful action, etc.

Diamond/ White Sapphire on the thumb does work

wonders.>

Namaskar Bharat Bhai,

Is it possible that the same gem stone may give

different (adverse and different) results when worn on

different fingers\different hands?

--- Bharat - Hindu Astrology

<astrologyhindu

<http://gmail.com> <astrologyhindu%40gmail.com> > wrote:

> Namaste Sri Chandrashekhar and Sri Gaurav

>

> I do not practice or advocate the use of Left handed

> Tantra. We all know how

> dangerous it can be. The usage of thumb to put rings

> on is not something

> connected to left hand of Tantra. If they use it

> now, it could be have been

> borrowed from a different system.

>

> The index finger represents the individual self or

> the " ego " . In the dhyana

> mudra, one holds the index finger and connects it to

> the Thumb, and the

> other three fingers are set aside. Thumb represents

> the Brahman or the

> Atman. The mudra suggests that the ego self when

> negated, eternal peace

> reigns. This becomes a way of meditation for the

> Sadhaka.

>

> Venus represents our immune system and protective

> aura. If Venus is weak,

> immune problems are likely to occur. The protection

> is always with the grace

> of Supreme Consciousness and thus, we wear a

> gemstone of Venus on the thumb.

> Sukra has an immense capability to control Tamas.

> You can also relate it to

> the Mritunjay Sanjivini Vidya which Sukra Dev had.

> When Sukra is strong in

> a chart, Mahalakshmi blesses the person with

> longevity, good health,

> purposeful action, etc. Diamond/ White Sapphire on

> the thumb does work

> wonders.

>

> Now, coming to wearing other gems (other than

> Venus's gems) on the Thumb. I

> haven't prescribed this, but, I know someone who

> does. He says, by wearing a

> protective gemstone (by the rules of astrology) on

> the thumb, one can have

> special knowledge concerned with the graha. I would

> assume (to my peril), a

> yellow sapphire would give the person special

> know-how on the areas

> represented by houses which Jupiter rules in the

> chart and its own natural

> significations. Popularity in the society, Ambition,

> Ability to resist the

> tamasic forces, Pitambari Vidya, Ways of making

> fortune, etc.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 4/19/07, Chandrashekhar

> <sharma.chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar%40gmail.com>

<sharma.chandrashekhar%40gmail.com> > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gaurav,

> >

> > I may be wrong, but I remember the practitioners

> of the left handed

> > tantras putting rings on thumb. Perhaps Bharat may

> elaborate on the source

> > which talks about putting ring on thumb.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > yobrevol <yobrevol%40aol.com> wrote:

> >

> > Aum Durgayai Namah

> >

> > Namaste Bharat Bhaiya,

> >

> > May I please request you to explain for my

> understanding the logic and

> > senarios under which we can use gemstones on the

> thumb?

> >

> > I have seen Amar Singh ji ( of samajwaadi party)

> wear a nice YS on his

> > right hand thumb, but I dont know his astrologer

> and his gem dealer..

> >

> > Namaste

> > Gaurav

> >

> > In a message dated 4/17/2007 2:06:01 P.M. India

> Standard Time,

> > astrologyhindu

<http://gmail.com> <astrologyhindu%40gmail.com> writes:

> >

> > Namaste Sri Swee

> >

> > Like I said before, I do use translucent, opaque

> healing stones too and

> > they work both for me as well as my clients. I

> have given my reasons for the

> > same and I do not share your views or Sri Richard

> Shaw Brown on the same.

> > The basic premise of our thoughts is different. I

> merely laugh at totally

> > ridiculous statements of calling certain gemstones

> as " Dead " (which he wrote

> > in SJC Jyotish Digest too).

> >

> > Maharatnas and Uparatnas can be used side by side,

> without one canceling

> > the effects of the other. I have found that they

> work perfectly in harmony,

> > if prescribed properly.

> >

> > Only the green of quartz family is considered

> Aventurine. The other gems

> > have wrongly borrowed the term. The deeper the

> green the better it is for

> > the heart and communication, even when opaque.

> >

> > Opal is a healer stone for Moon, not an activator

> stone. This is something

> > I am still working on and will explain later. Fire

> Opal is excellent for

> > Manipura chakra along with Carnelian. Try Fire

> Opal for a person with

> > stomach problems.

> >

> > Gemstones, even when worn on the ears act as

> kavacha, or as a band on the

> > head covering the Agya Chakra, or as belt on the

> manipura chakra, etc. It

> > would depend upon the gemstone to be worn. Like

> Diamond should not be worn

> > at the Manipura Chakra. Diamond should stay in the

> neck till the heart

> > chakra or in the Thumb of the Right hand. There

> are still things that I am

> > discovering, will let people know about it on an

> as to when basis, provided

> > they keep an open mind about it.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> > On 4/11/07, Swee Chan <sweechan

<sweechan%40mac.com> <sweechan%40mac.com> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Jaya Jagannatha

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji, Bharat,

> > > Namaste

> > >

> > > Yes, I would tend to agree on the advice of a

> diamond instead. According

> > > to Dhruva Nadi, diabetes can be due to a weak

> Venus.

> > >

> > > Puranani come in the three modes in the four

> paths within the pancha

> > > siddhanta. As for the recommendations of

> gemstones, the main purana that

> > > throws more light into its applications is

> through the Garuda purana â€ " much

> > > Agni in it so one may see the light or not.

> Diamonds cannot be worn by women

> > > who wish for a son. Otherwise, even an eroded

> material can be worn. This is

> > > only for women â€ " the tacit meaning is that

> Venus presides over the Diamond

> > > and Venus in the name of love keels over the Sun

> who exalts in a sign ruled

> > > by Mars â€ " celibacy being one of the modes in

> stage of life when the inner

> > > self feels the need to see the light.

> > >

> > > As for Aventurine â€ " there are three types of

> " mistaken identity " The

> > > plagioclase feldspar, the glass type star

> spangled with mica (like the

> > > Sunstone) and the other one is the one from

> quartzite. A quartzite is formed

> > > by the metamorphic process â€ " some maybe

> produced by a formation of silica

> > > cementation of quartz grain which maybe sand,

> mica or sandstone and mainly

> > > used for ornamental purposes because of its non

> transparency.

=== message truncated ===

April 20, 2007

Namaste Sri ManojA very good question. Sincerely, I haven't tried. Logically, it should. This question has troubled my mind too. About a year back, I was with a Car Dealer of Mercedes. He was wearing a " Moonga " (red coral) is his middle finger. So I asked him, generally middle finger is for Saturn. He replied that his Pundit told him since Saturn needs to overcome by Mars, so wear a Mars ring on the finger of Saturn. He further shared that it helped stop a spate of small accidents that he had been having. I have not tried doing the same. I am studying the elements of each of the fingers and how they interact. Let's take it further - which hand - right or left? :)Btw, you painted a very cute introduction of yours. Humbleness brings eternity. People who are not somebody, are nearer to the Lord. People who think they are someone, are farthest. My best regards to you. Bharat On 4/19/07, Manoj Sharma <

manojsharma662000 wrote:

<Venus represents our immune system and protective

aura. If Venus is weak, immune problems are likely to

occur. The protection is always with the grace of

Supreme Consciousness and thus, we wear a gemstone of

Venus on the thumb. Sukra has an immense capability to

control Tamas. You can also relate it to the Mritunjay

Sanjivini Vidya which Sukra Dev had. When Sukra is

strong in a chart, Mahalakshmi blesses the person with

longevity, good health, purposeful action, etc.

Diamond/ White Sapphire on the thumb does work

wonders.>

Namaskar Bharat Bhai,

Is it possible that the same gem stone may give

different (adverse and different) results when worn on

different fingers\different hands?

--- Bharat - Hindu Astrology

<astrologyhindu wrote:

> Namaste Sri Chandrashekhar and Sri Gaurav

>

> I do not practice or advocate the use of Left handed

> Tantra. We all know how

> dangerous it can be. The usage of thumb to put rings

> on is not something

> connected to left hand of Tantra. If they use it

> now, it could be have been

> borrowed from a different system.

>

> The index finger represents the individual self or

> the " ego " . In the dhyana

> mudra, one holds the index finger and connects it to

> the Thumb, and the

> other three fingers are set aside. Thumb represents

> the Brahman or the

> Atman. The mudra suggests that the ego self when

> negated, eternal peace

> reigns. This becomes a way of meditation for the

> Sadhaka.

>

> Venus represents our immune system and protective

> aura. If Venus is weak,

> immune problems are likely to occur. The protection

> is always with the grace

> of Supreme Consciousness and thus, we wear a

> gemstone of Venus on the thumb.

> Sukra has an immense capability to control Tamas.

> You can also relate it to

> the Mritunjay Sanjivini Vidya which Sukra Dev had.

> When Sukra is strong in

> a chart, Mahalakshmi blesses the person with

> longevity, good health,

> purposeful action, etc. Diamond/ White Sapphire on

> the thumb does work

> wonders.

>

> Now, coming to wearing other gems (other than

> Venus's gems) on the Thumb. I

> haven't prescribed this, but, I know someone who

> does. He says, by wearing a

> protective gemstone (by the rules of astrology) on

> the thumb, one can have

> special knowledge concerned with the graha. I would

> assume (to my peril), a

> yellow sapphire would give the person special

> know-how on the areas

> represented by houses which Jupiter rules in the

> chart and its own natural

> significations. Popularity in the society, Ambition,

> Ability to resist the

> tamasic forces, Pitambari Vidya, Ways of making

> fortune, etc.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 4/19/07, Chandrashekhar

> <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gaurav,

> >

> > I may be wrong, but I remember the practitioners

> of the left handed

> > tantras putting rings on thumb. Perhaps Bharat may

> elaborate on the source

> > which talks about putting ring on thumb.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > yobrevol wrote:

> >

> > Aum Durgayai Namah

> >

> > Namaste Bharat Bhaiya,

> >

> > May I please request you to explain for my

> understanding the logic and

> > senarios under which we can use gemstones on the

> thumb?

> >

> > I have seen Amar Singh ji ( of samajwaadi party)

> wear a nice YS on his

> > right hand thumb, but I dont know his astrologer

> and his gem dealer..

> >

> > Namaste

> > Gaurav

> >

> > In a message dated 4/17/2007 2:06:01 P.M. India

> Standard Time,

> > astrologyhindu writes:

> >

> > Namaste Sri Swee

> >

> > Like I said before, I do use translucent, opaque

> healing stones too and

> > they work both for me as well as my clients. I

> have given my reasons for the

> > same and I do not share your views or Sri Richard

> Shaw Brown on the same.

> > The basic premise of our thoughts is different. I

> merely laugh at totally

> > ridiculous statements of calling certain gemstones

> as " Dead " (which he wrote

> > in SJC Jyotish Digest too).

> >

> > Maharatnas and Uparatnas can be used side by side,

> without one canceling

> > the effects of the other. I have found that they

> work perfectly in harmony,

> > if prescribed properly.

> >

> > Only the green of quartz family is considered

> Aventurine. The other gems

> > have wrongly borrowed the term. The deeper the

> green the better it is for

> > the heart and communication, even when opaque.

> >

> > Opal is a healer stone for Moon, not an activator

> stone. This is something

> > I am still working on and will explain later. Fire

> Opal is excellent for

> > Manipura chakra along with Carnelian. Try Fire

> Opal for a person with

> > stomach problems.

> >

> > Gemstones, even when worn on the ears act as

> kavacha, or as a band on the

> > head covering the Agya Chakra, or as belt on the

> manipura chakra, etc. It

> > would depend upon the gemstone to be worn. Like

> Diamond should not be worn

> > at the Manipura Chakra. Diamond should stay in the

> neck till the heart

> > chakra or in the Thumb of the Right hand. There

> are still things that I am

> > discovering, will let people know about it on an

> as to when basis, provided

> > they keep an open mind about it.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> > On 4/11/07, Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:

> > >

> > > Jaya Jagannatha

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji, Bharat,

> > > Namaste

> > >

> > > Yes, I would tend to agree on the advice of a

> diamond instead. According

> > > to Dhruva Nadi, diabetes can be due to a weak

> Venus.

> > >

> > > Puranani come in the three modes in the four

> paths within the pancha

> > > siddhanta. As for the recommendations of

> gemstones, the main purana that

> > > throws more light into its applications is

> through the Garuda purana – much

> > > Agni in it so one may see the light or not.

> Diamonds cannot be worn by women

> > > who wish for a son. Otherwise, even an eroded

> material can be worn. This is

> > > only for women – the tacit meaning is that

> Venus presides over the Diamond

> > > and Venus in the name of love keels over the Sun

> who exalts in a sign ruled

> > > by Mars – celibacy being one of the modes in

> stage of life when the inner

> > > self feels the need to see the light.

> > >

> > > As for Aventurine – there are three types of

> " mistaken identity " The

> > > plagioclase feldspar, the glass type star

> spangled with mica (like the

> > > Sunstone) and the other one is the one from

> quartzite. A quartzite is formed

> > > by the metamorphic process – some maybe

> produced by a formation of silica

> > > cementation of quartz grain which maybe sand,

> mica or sandstone and mainly

> > > used for ornamental purposes because of its non

> transparency.

=== message truncated ===

April 20, 2007

Namaste Sri SweeThe enlivener comes from the Sun. Mind is when the consciousness enlivens it. Mind is the enlivener of the senses, not the enlivener itself. The ability to do so is given by the consciousness. You will need to study Vedanta for this. I am sorry, but, I do not advocate your theories.

I have full regard for Richard Shaw Brown as a gemologist and the work he is doing for Indian culture. However, when you call something as " dead " , I pronounce it as laughable. Will continue to do so. To me it is as if calling Ma Shakti as " dead " .

I am an independent person and will not change myself to please you or your brethren. Please refrain from using language which is unworthy of you as a person and as a fellow astrologer. You are free to disagree with me and you can express that freely. If you read my post to Sri Gaurav, I have made my position adequately clear on certain things. I may change, if I find contrary results. I do not wish to be anyone's adviser. My purpose of research is to satisfy my curiosity. I shall continue to do so, whether or not someone agrees to it or not OR whether I fit into the mental images (arudhas?) of any member here. Thanks and RegardsBharat (Anuj)On 4/20/07, Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:

Jaya Jagannatha

Namaste Bharat,

The enlivener comes first from Moon – because creation first took seed from Brahma's thoughts when the super intelligences came into being (Saptarishis). In the war between the demons and the gods, Indra, the destroyers of all demonic acts within this intelligent Manoj approached Vishnu whose advice was to offer Ganesh (Ketu – whose abode is in the waters – Venus and exalts in these very same waters. These Gods always travel in their aerial cars-Ketu made of different types of crystals – Moon). In the matter of this quandary between good and evil, the real versus maya, the gods together with Brihaspati had to approach Ganesh as so commanded by (Parvati) Siva, the highest intelligence and the Super Soul – he is also Soma, the pineal gland embedded in between the two halves of the brain.

Shukra uses his sanjivani mantra ( – the personification is Bhauma (Mars) after Shiva swallowed Shukra and the regurgitated result is Mars) and Brihaspati through Dhavantari, uses herbs to revive the gods who have died in the battle. ......(...........) is the rishi who gave the prayer for these 52 kinds of "magical" herbs also considered to be "mani" in the Atharva Veda...

So from muladhara (Ganesh/Ketu) to the super humans like the yogis in which one penance is silence – a mental/Moon/Soma-Shiva/Sun-Moon vrata. It is through this very same Soma/Shiva's profundity, that intelligent doctors do not use placebos to practice on human beings using them as guinea pigs.

Manoj is an entity who has been blessed with an intelligence. In offering penances in his previous life, he's taken birth as a human being and like every common man, is subjected to punishments and blessings from grahas in one's chart.

In the lower echelon, we are discussing grahas who maybe embodiments of energies of these devas and asuras (the mighty bad ones are the pisacas, etc., which I am not discussing here). Moon is never ever the uncaring Mother. Further, the strength of Sun cannot supersede the strength of lagna or its lord that is weak while Jupiter is the karaka of knowledge as he rules the library. In order to tap into his knowledge, we require the Dhi to be quick on the mark which Buddha, his son possesses.

BTW, if you believe in prescribing a synthetic to a needy person, you'll never cut the grade to be my advisor/Jupiter. Richard Brown is a first generation gemmologist ( and because he's associated with family members, he's also a friend), Gaurav is a second generation gemmologist while I am a third generation perfectionist . If you wish to learn from both Gaurav and I, we will be more than happy to do so but only if you desist from advocating nonsensical advice as I still have a lot of regard left for you.

Truce,

Swee

Bharat - Hindu Astrology <astrologyhindu@

gmail.com>

Fri, 20 Apr 2007 01:04:12 +0530

Re: Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] Re: Aventurine

Namaste Sri Swee

Who is Manoj?

Sun is the enlivener itself. It is the consciousness. It is the enlivening factor. Venus is the controller of protection of the pranas or aura. My views on Sun can be read in the archives of Jyotish Group where I had a huge discussion with Sri Pradeep. It was to prove that Sun does not represent the Ego, but, the consciousness.

Sun's strength enlivens the entire horoscope, not only the health. It enlivens sleeping yogas, brings awareness, makes every event profound. It has the potential to give immense knowledge. Just make sure it isn't afflicted.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat (Anuj)

On 19 Apr 2007 10:03:03 -0700, Swee Chan <sweechan <sweechan

> wrote:

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Bharat, Manoj

Namaste

Sun is the primary indicator of health. In Padma Purana, offering pacification rites for the Sun is conducive to good health and wealth. Having a strong Sun makes one understand the deeper knowledge.

It also states that for the murti, you embed Diamonds for the Sun, Pearl for the Moon etc.

The thumb represents the area of the head in shiatzu. Howveer, in Sanjay ji's lessons in Jaimini, he gives an extensive and much deeper meaning for each finger.

Love,

Swee

Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000

<http://> >

Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:17:01 -0400 (EDT)

Re: Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] Re: Aventurine

<Venus represents our immune system and protective

aura. If Venus is weak, immune problems are likely to

occur. The protection is always with the grace of

Supreme Consciousness and thus, we wear a gemstone of

Venus on the thumb. Sukra has an immense capability to

control Tamas. You can also relate it to the Mritunjay

Sanjivini Vidya which Sukra Dev had. When Sukra is

strong in a chart, Mahalakshmi blesses the person with

longevity, good health, purposeful action, etc.

Diamond/ White Sapphire on the thumb does work

wonders.>

Namaskar Bharat Bhai,

Is it possible that the same gem stone may give

different (adverse and different) results when worn on

different fingers\different hands?

--- Bharat - Hindu Astrology

<astrologyhindu

<http://gmail.com> <astrologyhindu%40gmail.com> > wrote:

> Namaste Sri Chandrashekhar and Sri Gaurav

>

> I do not practice or advocate the use of Left handed

> Tantra. We all know how

> dangerous it can be. The usage of thumb to put rings

> on is not something

> connected to left hand of Tantra. If they use it

> now, it could be have been

> borrowed from a different system.

>

> The index finger represents the individual self or

> the " ego " . In the dhyana

> mudra, one holds the index finger and connects it to

> the Thumb, and the

> other three fingers are set aside. Thumb represents

> the Brahman or the

> Atman. The mudra suggests that the ego self when

> negated, eternal peace

> reigns. This becomes a way of meditation for the

> Sadhaka.

>

> Venus represents our immune system and protective

> aura. If Venus is weak,

> immune problems are likely to occur. The protection

> is always with the grace

> of Supreme Consciousness and thus, we wear a

> gemstone of Venus on the thumb.

> Sukra has an immense capability to control Tamas.

> You can also relate it to

> the Mritunjay Sanjivini Vidya which Sukra Dev had.

> When Sukra is strong in

> a chart, Mahalakshmi blesses the person with

> longevity, good health,

> purposeful action, etc. Diamond/ White Sapphire on

> the thumb does work

> wonders.

>

> Now, coming to wearing other gems (other than

> Venus's gems) on the Thumb. I

> haven't prescribed this, but, I know someone who

> does. He says, by wearing a

> protective gemstone (by the rules of astrology) on

> the thumb, one can have

> special knowledge concerned with the graha. I would

> assume (to my peril), a

> yellow sapphire would give the person special

> know-how on the areas

> represented by houses which Jupiter rules in the

> chart and its own natural

> significations. Popularity in the society, Ambition,

> Ability to resist the

> tamasic forces, Pitambari Vidya, Ways of making

> fortune, etc.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 4/19/07, Chandrashekhar

> <sharma.chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar%40gmail.com>

<sharma.chandrashekhar%40gmail.com> > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gaurav,

> >

> > I may be wrong, but I remember the practitioners

> of the left handed

> > tantras putting rings on thumb. Perhaps Bharat may

> elaborate on the source

> > which talks about putting ring on thumb.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > yobrevol <yobrevol%40aol.com> wrote:

> >

> > Aum Durgayai Namah

> >

> > Namaste Bharat Bhaiya,

> >

> > May I please request you to explain for my

> understanding the logic and

> > senarios under which we can use gemstones on the

> thumb?

> >

> > I have seen Amar Singh ji ( of samajwaadi party)

> wear a nice YS on his

> > right hand thumb, but I dont know his astrologer

> and his gem dealer..

> >

> > Namaste

> > Gaurav

> >

> > In a message dated 4/17/2007 2:06:01 P.M. India

> Standard Time,

> > astrologyhindu

<http://gmail.com> <astrologyhindu%40gmail.com> writes:

> >

> > Namaste Sri Swee

> >

> > Like I said before, I do use translucent, opaque

> healing stones too and

> > they work both for me as well as my clients. I

> have given my reasons for the

> > same and I do not share your views or Sri Richard

> Shaw Brown on the same.

> > The basic premise of our thoughts is different. I

> merely laugh at totally

> > ridiculous statements of calling certain gemstones

> as " Dead " (which he wrote

> > in SJC Jyotish Digest too).

> >

> > Maharatnas and Uparatnas can be used side by side,

> without one canceling

> > the effects of the other. I have found that they

> work perfectly in harmony,

> > if prescribed properly.

> >

> > Only the green of quartz family is considered

> Aventurine. The other gems

> > have wrongly borrowed the term. The deeper the

> green the better it is for

> > the heart and communication, even when opaque.

> >

> > Opal is a healer stone for Moon, not an activator

> stone. This is something

> > I am still working on and will explain later. Fire

> Opal is excellent for

> > Manipura chakra along with Carnelian. Try Fire

> Opal for a person with

> > stomach problems.

> >

> > Gemstones, even when worn on the ears act as

> kavacha, or as a band on the

> > head covering the Agya Chakra, or as belt on the

> manipura chakra, etc. It

> > would depend upon the gemstone to be worn. Like

> Diamond should not be worn

> > at the Manipura Chakra. Diamond should stay in the

> neck till the heart

> > chakra or in the Thumb of the Right hand. There

> are still things that I am

> > discovering, will let people know about it on an

> as to when basis, provided

> > they keep an open mind about it.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> > On 4/11/07, Swee Chan <sweechan

<sweechan%40mac.com> <sweechan%40mac.com> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Jaya Jagannatha

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji, Bharat,

> > > Namaste

> > >

> > > Yes, I would tend to agree on the advice of a

> diamond instead. According

> > > to Dhruva Nadi, diabetes can be due to a weak

> Venus.

> > >

> > > Puranani come in the three modes in the four

> paths within the pancha

> > > siddhanta. As for the recommendations of

> gemstones, the main purana that

> > > throws more light into its applications is

> through the Garuda purana â€ " much

> > > Agni in it so one may see the light or not.

> Diamonds cannot be worn by women

> > > who wish for a son. Otherwise, even an eroded

> material can be worn. This is

> > > only for women â€ " the tacit meaning is that

> Venus presides over the Diamond

> > > and Venus in the name of love keels over the Sun

> who exalts in a sign ruled

> > > by Mars â€ " celibacy being one of the modes in

> stage of life when the inner

> > > self feels the need to see the light.

> > >

> > > As for Aventurine â€ " there are three types of

> " mistaken identity " The

> > > plagioclase feldspar, the glass type star

> spangled with mica (like the

> > > Sunstone) and the other one is the one from

> quartzite. A quartzite is formed

> > > by the metamorphic process â€ " some maybe

> produced by a formation of silica

> > > cementation of quartz grain which maybe sand,

> mica or sandstone and mainly

> > > used for ornamental purposes because of its non

> transparency.

=== message truncated ===

April 20, 2007

Thanks for your kind words.

Keep on sharing your research work for people like

me...

Thanks

Manoj

--- Bharat - Hindu Astrology

<astrologyhindu wrote:

> Namaste Sri Manoj

>

> A very good question.

>

> Sincerely, I haven't tried. Logically, it should.

> This question has troubled

> my mind too.

>

> About a year back, I was with a Car Dealer of

> Mercedes. He was wearing a

> " Moonga " (red coral) is his middle finger. So I

> asked him, generally middle

> finger is for Saturn. He replied that his Pundit

> told him since Saturn needs

> to overcome by Mars, so wear a Mars ring on the

> finger of Saturn. He further

> shared that it helped stop a spate of small

> accidents that he had been

> having.

>

> I have not tried doing the same. I am studying the

> elements of each of the

> fingers and how they interact.

>

> Let's take it further - which hand - right or left?

>

> Btw, you painted a very cute introduction of yours.

> Humbleness brings

> eternity. People who are not somebody, are nearer to

> the Lord. People who

> think they are someone, are farthest.

>

> My best regards to you.

> Bharat

>

On 4/19/07, Manoj Sharma

> <manojsharma662000 wrote:

> >

> > <Venus represents our immune system and

> protective

> > aura. If Venus is weak, immune problems are likely

> to

> > occur. The protection is always with the grace of

> > Supreme Consciousness and thus, we wear a gemstone

> of

> > Venus on the thumb. Sukra has an immense

> capability to

> > control Tamas. You can also relate it to the

> Mritunjay

> > Sanjivini Vidya which Sukra Dev had. When Sukra is

> > strong in a chart, Mahalakshmi blesses the person

> with

> > longevity, good health, purposeful action, etc.

> > Diamond/ White Sapphire on the thumb does work

> > wonders.>

> >

> > Namaskar Bharat Bhai,

> > Is it possible that the same gem stone may give

> > different (adverse and different) results when

> worn on

> > different fingers\different hands?

> >

> > --- Bharat - Hindu Astrology

> >

> > <astrologyhindu

> <astrologyhindu%40gmail.com>> wrote:

> >

> > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekhar and Sri Gaurav

> > >

> > > I do not practice or advocate the use of Left

> handed

> > > Tantra. We all know how

> > > dangerous it can be. The usage of thumb to put

> rings

> > > on is not something

> > > connected to left hand of Tantra. If they use it

> > > now, it could be have been

> > > borrowed from a different system.

> > >

> > > The index finger represents the individual self

> or

> > > the " ego " . In the dhyana

> > > mudra, one holds the index finger and connects

> it to

> > > the Thumb, and the

> > > other three fingers are set aside. Thumb

> represents

> > > the Brahman or the

> > > Atman. The mudra suggests that the ego self when

> > > negated, eternal peace

> > > reigns. This becomes a way of meditation for the

> > > Sadhaka.

> > >

> > > Venus represents our immune system and

> protective

> > > aura. If Venus is weak,

> > > immune problems are likely to occur. The

> protection

> > > is always with the grace

> > > of Supreme Consciousness and thus, we wear a

> > > gemstone of Venus on the thumb.

> > > Sukra has an immense capability to control

> Tamas.

> > > You can also relate it to

> > > the Mritunjay Sanjivini Vidya which Sukra Dev

> had.

> > > When Sukra is strong in

> > > a chart, Mahalakshmi blesses the person with

> > > longevity, good health,

> > > purposeful action, etc. Diamond/ White Sapphire

> on

> > > the thumb does work

> > > wonders.

> > >

> > > Now, coming to wearing other gems (other than

> > > Venus's gems) on the Thumb. I

> > > haven't prescribed this, but, I know someone who

> > > does. He says, by wearing a

> > > protective gemstone (by the rules of astrology)

> on

> > > the thumb, one can have

> > > special knowledge concerned with the graha. I

> would

> > > assume (to my peril), a

> > > yellow sapphire would give the person special

> > > know-how on the areas

> > > represented by houses which Jupiter rules in the

> > > chart and its own natural

> > > significations. Popularity in the society,

> Ambition,

> > > Ability to resist the

> > > tamasic forces, Pitambari Vidya, Ways of making

> > > fortune, etc.

> > >

> > > Hope this helps.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > > On 4/19/07, Chandrashekhar

> > > <sharma.chandrashekhar

> <sharma.chandrashekhar%40gmail.com>>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Gaurav,

> > > >

> > > > I may be wrong, but I remember the

> practitioners

> > > of the left handed

> > > > tantras putting rings on thumb. Perhaps Bharat

> may

> > > elaborate on the source

> > > > which talks about putting ring on thumb.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > yobrevol <yobrevol%40aol.com> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Aum Durgayai Namah

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Bharat Bhaiya,

> > > >

> > > > May I please request you to explain for my

> > > understanding the logic and

> > > > senarios under which we can use gemstones on

> the

> > > thumb?

> > > >

> > > > I have seen Amar Singh ji ( of samajwaadi

> party)

> > > wear a nice YS on his

> > > > right hand thumb, but I dont know his

> astrologer

> > > and his gem dealer..

> > > >

> > > > Namaste

> > > > Gaurav

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 4/17/2007 2:06:01 P.M.

> India

> > > Standard Time,

> > > > astrologyhindu

> <astrologyhindu%40gmail.com> writes:

> > > >

>

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April 20, 2007

No worries Bharat Bhai.

ms

--- Bharat - Hindu Astrology

<astrologyhindu wrote:

>

> My apologies to you Sri Manoj. I saw Sri Swee

> addressing another name, but,

> somehow missed your posts. I was wondering whom is

> she addressing to.

>

> No offence meant.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 4/20/07, Manoj Sharma

> <manojsharma662000 wrote:

> >

> > Well, I am a non-descript kind of a person who

> is

> > trying hard to learn the ropes of gem remedies and

> > astrology. And I am a law abiding citizen. A

> lesser

> > mortal like me just has this brief introduction.

> > Regards

> > Manoj

> > --- Bharat - Hindu Astrology

> >

> > <astrologyhindu

> <astrologyhindu%40gmail.com>> wrote:

> >

> > > Namaste Sri Swee

> > >

> > > Who is Manoj?

> > >

> > > Sun is the enlivener itself. It is the

> > > consciousness. It is the enlivening

> > > factor. Venus is the controller of protection of

> the

> > > pranas or aura. My

> > > views on Sun can be read in the archives of

> Jyotish

> > > Group where I had a huge

> > > discussion with Sri Pradeep. It was to prove

> that

> > > Sun does not represent the

> > > Ego, but, the consciousness.

> > >

> > > Sun's strength enlivens the entire horoscope,

> not

> > > only the health. It

> > > enlivens sleeping yogas, brings awareness, makes

> > > every event profound. It

> > > has the potential to give immense knowledge.

> Just

> > > make sure it isn't

> > > afflicted.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat (Anuj)

> > >

> > > On 19 Apr 2007 10:03:03 -0700, Swee Chan

> > > <sweechan <sweechan%40mac.com>> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Jaya Jagannatha

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bharat, Manoj

> > > > Namaste

> > > >

> > > > Sun is the primary indicator of health. In

> Padma

> > > Purana, offering

> > > > pacification rites for the Sun is conducive to

> > > good health and wealth.

> > > > Having a strong Sun makes one understand the

> > > deeper knowledge.

> > > > It also states that for the murti, you embed

> > > Diamonds for the Sun, Pearl

> > > > for the Moon etc.

> > > >

> > > > The thumb represents the area of the head in

> > > shiatzu. Howveer, in Sanjay

> > > > ji's lessons in Jaimini, he gives an extensive

> and

> > > much deeper meaning for

> > > > each finger.

> > > >

> > > > Love,

> > > >

> > > > Swee

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------

> > > > **Manoj Sharma

>

<manojsharma662000<manojsharma662000%40>

> > >

> > > > **<sohamsa

> <sohamsa%40>>

> > > > **Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:17:01 -0400 (EDT)

> > > > **<sohamsa

> <sohamsa%40>>

> > > > **Re: Re: [Jaya Jagannatha]

> Re:

> > > Aventurine

> > > >

> > > > <Venus represents our immune system and

> protective

> > > > aura. If Venus is weak, immune problems are

> likely

> > > to

> > > > occur. The protection is always with the grace

> of

> > > > Supreme Consciousness and thus, we wear a

> gemstone

> > > of

> > > > Venus on the thumb. Sukra has an immense

> > > capability to

> > > > control Tamas. You can also relate it to the

> > > Mritunjay

> > > > Sanjivini Vidya which Sukra Dev had. When

> Sukra

> > > is

> > > > strong in a chart, Mahalakshmi blesses the

> person

> > > with

> > > > longevity, good health, purposeful action,

> etc.

> > > > Diamond/ White Sapphire on the thumb does work

> > > > wonders.>

> > > >

> > > > Namaskar Bharat Bhai,

> > > > Is it possible that the same gem stone may

> give

> > > > different (adverse and different) results when

> > > worn on

> > > > different fingers\different hands?

> > > >

> > > > --- Bharat - Hindu Astrology

> > > > <astrologyhindu

> <astrologyhindu%40gmail.com>

> > >

> >

>

<astrologyhindu%40gmail.com><astrologyhindu%40gmail.com>>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekhar and Sri Gaurav

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not practice or advocate the use of

> Left

> > > handed

> > > > > Tantra. We all know how

> > > > > dangerous it can be. The usage of thumb to

> put

> > > rings

> > > > > on is not something

> > > > > connected to left hand of Tantra. If they

> use it

> > > > > now, it could be have been

> > > > > borrowed from a different system.

> > > > >

> > > > > The index finger represents the individual

> self

> > > or

> > > > > the " ego " . In the dhyana

> > > > > mudra, one holds the index finger and

> connects

> > > it to

> > > > > the Thumb, and the

> > > > > other three fingers are set aside. Thumb

> > > represents

> > > > > the Brahman or the

> > > > > Atman. The mudra suggests that the ego self

> when

> > > > > negated, eternal peace

> > > > > reigns. This becomes a way of meditation for

> the

> > > > > Sadhaka.

> > > > >

> > > > > Venus represents our immune system and

> > > protective

> > > > > aura. If Venus is weak,

> > > > > immune problems are likely to occur. The

> > > protection

> > > > > is always with the grace

> > > > > of Supreme Consciousness and thus, we wear a

> > > > > gemstone of Venus on the thumb.

> > > > > Sukra has an immense capability to control

> > > Tamas.

> > > > > You can also relate it to

> > > > > the Mritunjay Sanjivini Vidya which Sukra

> Dev

> > > had.

> > > > > When Sukra is strong in

> > > > > a chart, Mahalakshmi blesses the person with

> > > > > longevity, good health,

>

=== message truncated ===

April 20, 2007

Dear Bharat,

The Paramtman is one and not many, but Jeevatman certainly has a

different existence as long as it is in human body. Again if Atman can

not be controlled then how do you explain your statement "Thumb represents the Brahman

or the Atman." Surely thumbs that you are referring to belong to

different persons.

But letting go of the semantics, I request you again to please give a

quote from a classic for the support of use of Rings in fingers for

astrological remedies. That will help me understand the concept better.

I remember Venus being connected to thumb in western astrology but fail

to find any such reference in either Samudrik shastra or Vedic

astrology hence I am putting you to the trouble of giving any quote

that explains this deviation from Vedic Astrology. If the source is

something other than Vedic astrology, then of course I have no interest

in that.

By the way, I have not said that all tantriks can take control of a

person's Atman. I said that the practitioners of tantra make a person

to wear the ring in thumb for control of his Atma (whereas it is his

mind that they might want to control). Some say that this is done to

ward off the possibility of anyone taking control of one's Atma (or

mind) in left handed Tantra.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote:

Namaste Sri Chandrashekhar

Atman is not many, one belonging to each person. Upanishad gives us a

mahavakya - Atman is Brahman. To consider it separate is the purpose of

ego. No tantrik can control Atman. It is beyond all control.

Consciousness is what enlivens the mind, the body, the senses and the

world. Using thumb to wear a ring isÂ precisely for making one aware

and for protection to all chakras. Venus is the protector of the entire

aura and all chakras. It is the protector of the immune system. To

provide wholesome help to all chakras, we take help of the thumb.

In Vedic culture, divinity is made a part and parcel of daily living.

In Upasana, the natural phenomenon is taken as an analogy to remember

the truth. In Dhyana, the mudra is remembered for the same purpose.

There may be other mudras, but, we have taken this mudra to understand

a particular concept shown by it.

Hope this helps.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 4/19/07, Chandrashekhar <

sharma.chandrashekhar > wrote:

Dear Bharat,

I did not say or imply that you are practicing or advocating left

tantra. If that is the impression my mail created, I am sorry.

I agree that thumb is indicator of Atman and that precisely is the

reason that rings are not worn on thumb normally, whereas those tantrik

who want control of other's atma use the thumb for wearing a ring, is

what I understand. May I know any source of classics that refers to use

of rings on thumbs? That will help me understand the reason this may be

done as a remedial measure in Vedic Astrology.

As to use of thumb in dhyan mudra, thumb is used in many mudras and mot

only in dhyan mudra and I could not follow the logic about that being

the reason for wearing ring in the thumb. I have also not followed the

connection of Venus to the thumb. Could you please elaborate?

Chandrashekhar.

Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote:

Namaste Sri Chandrashekhar and Sri Gaurav

I do not practice or advocate the use of Left handed Tantra. We all

know how dangerous it can be. The usage of thumb to put rings on is not

something connected to left hand of Tantra. If they use it now, it

could be have been borrowed from a different system.

The index finger represents the individual self or the "ego". In the

dhyana mudra, one holds the index finger and connects it to the Thumb,

and the other three fingers are set aside. Thumb represents the Brahman

or the Atman. The mudra suggests that the ego self when negated,

eternal peace reigns. This becomes a way of meditation for the Sadhaka.

Venus represents our immune system and protective aura. If Venus is

weak, immune problems are likely to occur. The protection is always

with the grace of Supreme Consciousness and thus, we wear a gemstone of

Venus on the thumb. Sukra has an immense capability to control Tamas.

You can also relate it to the Mritunjay Sanjivini Vidya which Sukra Dev

had.Â When Sukra is strong in a chart, Mahalakshmi blesses the person

with longevity, good health, purposeful action, etc. Diamond/ White

Sapphire on the thumb does work wonders.

Now, coming to wearing other gems (other than Venus's gems) on the

Thumb. I haven't prescribed this, but, I know someone who does. He

says, by wearing a protective gemstone (by the rules of astrology) on

the thumb, one can have special knowledge concerned with the graha. I

would assume (to my peril), a yellow sapphire would give the person

special know-how on the areas represented by houses which Jupiter rules

in the chart and its own natural significations. Popularity in the

society, Ambition, Ability to resist the tamasic forces, Pitambari

Vidya, Ways of making fortune, etc.

Hope this helps.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 4/19/07, Chandrashekhar <

sharma.chandrashekhar > wrote:

Dear Gaurav,

I may be wrong, but I remember the practitioners of the left handed

tantras putting rings on thumb. Perhaps Bharat may elaborate on the

source which talks about putting ring on thumb.

Chandrashekhar.

yobrevol (AT) aol (DOT) com

wrote:

AumÂ

DurgayaiÂ Namah

Â

Namaste

Bharat Bhaiya,

Â

May

I please request you to explain for my understanding the logic and

senarios under which we can use gemstones on the thumb?

Â

I

have seen Amar Singh ji ( of samajwaadi party) wear a nice YS on his

right hand thumb, but I dont know his astrologer and his gem dealer..

Â

Namaste

Gaurav

Â

In

a message dated 4/17/2007 2:06:01 P.M. India Standard Time, astrologyhindu

writes:

Namaste Sri Swee

Like I said before, I do use translucent, opaque healing stones too and

they work both for me as well as my clients. I have given my reasons

for the same and I do not share your views or Sri Richard Shaw Brown on

the same. The basic premise of our thoughts is different. I merely

laugh at totally ridiculous statements of calling certain gemstones as

"Dead" (which he wrote in SJC Jyotish Digest too).

Maharatnas and Uparatnas can be used side by side, without one

canceling the effects of the other. I have found that they work

perfectly in harmony, if prescribed properly.

Only the green of quartz family is considered Aventurine. The other

gems have wrongly borrowed the term. The deeper the green the better it

is for the heart and communication, even when opaque.

Opal is a healer stone for Moon, not an activator stone. This is

something I am still working on and will explain later. Fire Opal is

excellent for Manipura chakra along with Carnelian. Try Fire Opal for a

person with stomach problems.

Gemstones, even when worn on the ears act as kavacha, or as a band on

the head covering the Agya Chakra, or as belt on the manipura chakra,

etc. It would depend upon the gemstone to be worn. Like Diamond should

not be worn at the Manipura Chakra. Diamond should stay in the neck

till the heart chakra or in the Thumb of the Right hand. There are

still things that I am discovering, will let people know about it on an

as to when basis, provided they keep an open mind about it.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 4/11/07, Swee Chan < sweechan (AT) mac (DOT) com>

wrote:

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Chandrashekhar ji, Bharat,

Namaste

Yes, I would tend to agree on the advice of a diamond instead.

According to Dhruva Nadi, diabetes can be due to a weak Venus.

Puranani come in the three modes in the four paths within the pancha

siddhanta. As for the recommendations of gemstones, the main purana

that throws more light into its applications is through the Garuda

purana â€“ much Agni in it so one may see the light or not. Diamonds

cannot be worn by women who wish for a son. Otherwise, even an eroded

material can be worn. This is only for women â€“ the tacit meaning is

that Venus presides over the Diamond and Venus in the name of love

keels over the Sun who exalts in a sign ruled by Mars â€“ celibacy being

one of the modes in stage of life when the inner self feels the need to

see the light.

As for Aventurine â€“ there are three types of "mistaken identity" The

plagioclase feldspar, the glass type star spangled with mica (like the

Sunstone) and the other one is the one from quartzite. A quartzite is

formed by the metamorphic process â€“ some maybe produced by a formation

of silica cementation of quartz grain which maybe sand, mica or

sandstone and mainly used for ornamental purposes because of its non

transparency. The quartzite rock ooften contains small crystals of mica

or an iron mineral. The rock that exhibits the schiller is often known

as aventurine quartz. NONE of these are transparent â€“ the translucent

ones tend to be banded â€“ hence not desired. Localities in India are in

Belvadi in the Hassan district of Mysore and at nearby Sindagere which

is the first named place producing the blusih green banded type. Others

can come from Coimbatore and Nellore districts of Madras. In the

Nedllore district, the pale aquamarine green, banded with deep purple

can be found.

The refractive indices of quartzites are similar to those of crystal

quartz BUT due to the confused mass of disorientation of the crystals

which the rock is composed of, only a vague shadow edge at 1.55 is the

norm. owing to the inhomogenity of the material and due to the presence

of impurities, the specific gravity maybe as low as 2.64 but can be as

high as 2.69 only. The "greenish" aventurine can be identified with a

chelsea Â colour filter (don't have one? Use your polaroid sunglasses)

which gives the "reddish" glow.

Bharat, you've not stated which planet rules Opals. As I follow rules

and in the light of the three modes, the four paths and the pancha

siddhanta, I do not attempt to mix Maharatnas and Uparatnas. Besides,

identification of the one or the pair of gemstones is good enough for

the person. A gemstone acts like a kavacha mostly to be worn round the

neck to touch the solar plexus â€“ the Manipura cakra....

Love,

Swee

Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar >

Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:12:40 +0530

Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] Re: Aventurine

Dear Swee,

I did not know that Ramdas Rao was a diabetic. I would think that

wearing a diamond would help him more than any other gem as it is the

yogakaraka and afflicted. Blue saffire that is indicative of Saturn

who, besides being the lagna lord is also a maraka by virtue of owning

the 2nd bhava might not be a very good gem for him to wear. More so as

Saturn, the navamsha dispositor of Mercury the 6th lord, aspects the

6th bhava, and the 6th lord, in rasi chart. Could ask him whether the

diabetic condition was discovered 23rd of may of 1983 when Mercury

Pratyantar (360 Savana day year calculations) was running for him, for

the sake of confirmation?

Love,

Chandrashekhar.

Swee Chan wrote:

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Several things which I need to clarify with you:

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No guess work here please, on an obsidian â€“ which is natural glass. The

same goes for Aventurine which is glass, "silver coloured-star"

spangled with mica. I have worked with Obsidian many a time â€“ it is

excellent for fractures or concussions â€“ which you apply directly over

the area. Garuda Purana classifies these a spurious. Why would you

consider a piece of natural glass a gem? I have a piece of faceted

natural light "Aquamarine" found in the same pit and during faceting,

was found to be a piece of glass â€“ perfect without bubbles.

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On Opals â€“ the are not resistant to sharp blows exactly like the

Emerald. It needs to be re-hydrated every now and again. Which planet

lords over the Opal? Besides both the Aventurine and Opals are far too

soft for use as jewellery. I am sure you are not aware of this, but

would reiterate that Ramdas ji is already a fine blue Sapphire whose

power will be nullified with an uparatna next to it. Ramdas ji beware,

please.

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I read somewhere in your other mail that you state that some green

stone belongs to Vishnu â€“ it is not just just ANY green stone, but the

GREEN DIAMOND â€“ refer to first chapter in gemstone description

beginning with the diamond.

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Love,

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Swee

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Please pardon my intrusion. I'd prescribe the following for you:

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1. Wear a beautiful 20-25 carats oval white quartz in Silver pendant.

Place Aventurine beads all around the white quartz in the same pendant.

Please wear it on a Friday following the appropriate method.

2. Wear a fire opal in Silver in smallest finger of the left hand. Wear

on a Monday in Shukla Paksha.

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I am sure you would have done/are doing the mantra remedies as are

appropriate from the chart.

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Thanks and Regards

Bharat

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is vargottama is afflicted by being with Rahu and is in the nakshatra

of Shatabhisha ruled by Rahu also.Guru,the 3rd and 12th lord is placed

in 3rd house vargottama but in Gandantha.

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attacks and debilitates the cells in the pancreas that produce insulin.

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patient needs insulin for life.

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is more complex with receptors on cells of the body being "worn out"

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levels. This type often responds to lifestyle changes. Some of the type

two diabetes charts I've looked at don't have obvious afflictions to

Shukra, probably because it's a more complicated story.

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Quadrants are only occupied by natural

benefics, which should protect health. Although he suffers from two

serious auto immune conditions and is on many medications, he works and

lives his life fairly normally.

Chandra is in lagna and is 8th lord and is

dispositor of maandi and gulika, damaging the health.

Sun is in sankranti dosa, which makes the

vara lord very malefic. In this case, Mangala is vara lord and is

conjoined 6th lord sukra, karaka for sugar digestion. Rahu also gives

its back stabbing graha dristi to shukra, creating a curse of two

malefics on shukra.

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this chart, which further damages health and is often seen in the

charts of people with auto immune problems.

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there. The articles have also been published in JD over the past few

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Just one error that you may kindly correct in the following statement of my previous post:Change from " Moreover, like Vedanta, Jyotish texts are NOT a Pramana, hence inference becomes very important "

to " Moreover, unlike Vedanta,..... " Thanks and RegardsBharatOn 4/23/07, Bharat - Hindu Astrology <

astrologyhindu wrote:Namaste Sri ChandrashekharPlease read comments in blue:

Dear Bharat,

I am confused, as you are equating the Partmatman with the atman in the

thumb on the one hand and on the other saying that atman can not be

controlled. Let me try and explain and hope it will help us understand. When one is Sattwic, what is it that one is doing? One is letting go of the false sense of ego and more and more understand that the truth is Lord. This brings forth clarity and vision. The light of consciousness is always with us but we do not use it and function mechanically and egoistically. We do not need to control something to use something. We only have to be open to it. We do not need to control Atman. We are not trying to wear a ring in the Thumb to control something. Since Atman is all pervasive, we use the diamond ring in the Thumb to use the energy permeate and balance all chakras. This way we strengthen the immune system and can help ourselves. Plus when we tap into the source of all energy (even to say symbolically), we get special know-how of the related subject. If there are problems with immune system, they may come to light and will be diagnosed or treated in time. We will get special knowledge of healing. I guess by the same logic, some other pundits have suggested Yellow Sapphire in the thumb, though I have not.

About Venus, I

am only requesting something to support claim of the use of thumb in

relation to Gems as astrological remedy, from astrological texts. same

for Venus being protector of Aura and immune system. Any astrological

references would be appreciated.I have seen many people addressing you with respect as they would an elderly and knowledgeable person. At my age, I haven't come across " any claim in astrological texts " . I may in the future or I may not. However, in my interaction with some of the unknown great pundits of Haridwar, Rishikesh, Pt. Nanak Chand Sharmaji (who was like my maternal grandfather and a known expert in Ayurveda), and others, this is their view too. My starting Vedanta Guru had also explained that the Thumb symbolically represents the Atman. Astrological Texts or whatever is left of them is quite limited. Many texts have been corrupted or destroyed, while other remain hidden by and with many traditional families. Moreover, like Vedanta, Jyotish texts are NOT a Pramana, hence inference becomes very important. We, therefore, use inference as a means of knowledge. This is a perfectly valid means of knowledge with only one drawback. The drawback is that one can be wrong in the inference. So it must be backed with experience and yet one should remain open to the possibility of deeper knowledge. Thanks and RegardsBharat

Chandrashekhar.

Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote:

Namaste Sri Chandrashekhar

Where did I change the stand? I am maintaining Thumb represents the

Atman. Please read my post again:

" Thumb represents Atman symbolically. Without thumb all fingers become

useless. So Thumb can be said to enliven the fingers, similarly the

Atman enlivens the mind, body, senses, etc. "

Is it not clear what I am mentioning?

Why Venus has to be equated to Atman to wear a ring in the Thumb? I am

suggesting we undertake Diamond on the thumb as it protects the aura

with the power of consciousness, symbolically that of Atman.

Where are you getting confused?

Where am I equating Venus to Atman? I am saying Venus is the protector

of the aura and guards the immune system.

Thanks and Regard

Bharat

On 4/21/07, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar

>

wrote:

Dear Bharat,

Vedas are no doubt beyond reproach, but you have not, yet, given the

quote to justify use of thumb for wearing a ring for Vedic astrology

remedy. Neither have you indicated the astrological text source which

connects Venus to the thumb. Your original words, if I may quote again

were " Thumb represents the Brahman

or the Atman. " That was your proposition. Now you say that it does not

represent Atman. Could you elaborate why this change of stand now?

Astrologically speaking Atman relates not to the soul but to the

Atmabala of the Jataka, though these days it is fashionable to equate

the two. I was referring to that as atman as I was writing about an

astrological practice.

If we accept your premise of Thumb symbolically (as you say now)

representing the Atman, as in soul, and wearing a ring around it

leading to propitiating Venus then one has to equate Venus to Atman

symbolically or otherwise. That is why I am requesting for a quote

equating the two. It would be appreciated if the shloka or anuwak that

you are referring to are quoted for illustration of the group. Merely

giving the classics to be studied may not serve that purpose. I have

not found the reference to wearing of ring on thumb or equating it to

Atman or Venus in either of the Upanishads that you are referring to

hence the request.

Chandrashekhar.

Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote:

Namaste Sri Chandrashekhar

First of all the basis of all classics is the Vedas. The mahavakya is

" Atman is Brahman " . Therefore, consider the human body to be within the

Atman and not Atman to be within the human body. Classics to be studied

(Taitteriya Upanishad, Isavasya Upanishad). It is the ego which thinks

itself to be separate and considers itself to be conscious. Jeevatman

is a word to describe such a state of non-understanding. It does not

mean that separate Atman's are floating around in different people's

bodies.

Thumb represents Atman symbolically. Without thumb all fingers become

useless. So Thumb can be said to enliven the fingers, similarly the

Atman enlivens the mind, body, senses, etc.

For me the biggest quotes are the Vedas. If you do not want to accept

this, please do not.

Noone can take control of the Atman. It is free and beyond all control.

The thought of control cannot enliven itself unless in light of Atman.

It is Satyam, Gnanam and Anantam. Foolish are those who think they can

control the Atman. Probably they are referring to the Sookshma Sarira

or the subtle body. I cannot comment on such Tantriks.

Hope this helps.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 4/20/07, Chandrashekhar <

sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

Dear Bharat,

The Paramtman is one and not many, but Jeevatman certainly has a

different existence as long as it is in human body. Again if Atman can

not be controlled then how do you explain your statement " Thumb

represents the Brahman

or the Atman. " Surely thumbs that you are referring to belong to