Ashtakavarga Graha Dasa (C.S.Patel & Raman Suprarajama)

December 27, 2005

Dear Sunil John,

Should it interest you, I've a soft copy of the Sanskrit version of the Ashtakavarga Mahanibandh in Sanskrit - a 13-odd meg thing broken into six 2-odd meg chunks. It won't cost you much either.

Respects,

Ramapriya

On 12/27/05, Sunil John <suniljohn_2002 wrote:

Dear Chandrashekharji & Other members,

Pls find below Mr. Ramans response mail which was not forwarded to other groups who were a part of the earlier series of mails.

Swee has been kind to forward Mr.Ramans reply with examples, though his mail didnt respond to my queries appropriately at all as to why the technique of bhuktis from his article is not at all working in the examples given by him. Further interesting points i will point out in his mail below. Before that I would narrate Shri C.S.Patels views, which upon the reminder of Respected Chandrashekharji I asked Chandubhai today (C.S.Patel)

I was scared to ask Chandubhai about Ashtakvarga Dasas since i had not read his Classic on the Ashtakvarga (1957), he instantly pointed out that he and Iyer didnt divulge this Dasa in their book. I asked him whats the classical reference behind it and he said Parasara. I replied that its not possible since all our list members have read Parasara's work and no one seemed to knew about it. He raised his voice saying that Arudhas are mentioned in Parasaras work but until he came out with his book on Arudhas no one seemed to talk about Arudhas, and how to use it. Only few people who can be counted on fingertips could know how to use it. I waited patiently for 15 mins quietly and finallys he said i should not concentrate on Ashtakvarga Dasas. He was also upset that i had not read his book (written in 1957) since the dasa had been mentioned in it.

December 27, 2005

Dear Ramapriya, Thanks for this kind offer. Incidentally I dont understand Sanskrit but I would ask a friend of mine from Kerela if he is interested in translating it, if he agrees then i shall ask you to kindly send it. Can you let me know who the author is of the text and the period when it was written. If the author is Siddhasena, then I shall be most delighted Kind regards Sunil Ramapriya D <ayirpamar wrote: Dear Sunil John, Should it interest you, I've a soft copy of the Sanskrit version of the Ashtakavarga Mahanibandh in Sanskrit - a 13-odd meg thing broken into six 2-odd meg chunks. It won't cost you much either. Respects, Ramapriya On 12/27/05, Sunil John <suniljohn_2002 wrote: Dear Chandrashekharji & Other members, Pls find below Mr. Ramans response mail which was not forwarded to other groups who were a part of the earlier series of mails. Swee has

been kind to forward Mr.Ramans reply with examples, though his mail didnt respond to my queries appropriately at all as to why the technique of bhuktis from his article is not at all working in the examples given by him. Further interesting points i will point out in his mail below. Before that I would narrate Shri C.S.Patels views, which upon the reminder of Respected Chandrashekharji I asked Chandubhai today (C.S.Patel) I was scared to ask Chandubhai about Ashtakvarga Dasas since i had not read his Classic on the Ashtakvarga (1957), he instantly pointed out that he and Iyer didnt divulge this Dasa in their book. I asked him whats the classical reference behind it and he said Parasara. I replied that its not possible since all our list members have read Parasara's work and no one

seemed to knew about it. He raised his voice saying that Arudhas are mentioned in Parasaras work but until he came out with his book on Arudhas no one seemed to talk about Arudhas, and how to use it. Only few people who can be counted on fingertips could know how to use it. I waited patiently for 15 mins quietly and finallys he said i should not concentrate on Ashtakvarga Dasas. He was also upset that i had not read his book (written in 1957) since the dasa had been mentioned in it.

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December 28, 2005

The author of what I have is Mukunda Daivagna.

Respects,

Ramapriya

On 12/28/05, Sunil John <suniljohn_2002 wrote:

Dear Ramapriya,

Thanks for this kind offer. Incidentally I dont understand Sanskrit but I would ask a friend of mine from Kerela if he is interested in translating it, if he agrees then i shall ask you to kindly send it.

Can you let me know who the author is of the text and the period when it was written.

If the author is Siddhasena, then I shall be most delighted

Kind regards

Sunil

December 28, 2005

Ohhh Mukunda Daivagna, and can you pls tell which year was this published Regards SJRamapriya D <ayirpamar wrote: The author of what I have is Mukunda Daivagna. Respects, Ramapriya On 12/28/05, Sunil John <suniljohn_2002 wrote: Dear Ramapriya, Thanks for this kind offer. Incidentally I dont understand Sanskrit but I would ask a friend of mine from Kerela if he is interested in translating it, if he agrees then i shall ask you to kindly send it. Can you let me know who the author is of the text and the period when it was written. If the author is Siddhasena, then I shall be most delighted Kind regards Sunil

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December 28, 2005

Jaya

Jagannatha

Dear Rama

(and Bipin),

Namaste

Can you mail

it to me so I can upload it to the files section. But would be better if Bipin “opens”

this up so everyone can upload to the files section, whatever they think maybe

of interest.

Thanks.

Swee

On Behalf Of Ramapriya D

Wednesday, December 28, 2005

5:37 AM

Re: [Jaya Jagannatha]

Ashtakavarga Graha Dasa (C.S.Patel & Raman Suprarajama)

The author of what I have is Mukunda Daivagna.

Respects,

Ramapriya

On 12/28/05, Sunil

John <suniljohn_2002

wrote:

Dear Ramapriya,

Thanks for this kind offer. Incidentally I dont understand Sanskrit but

I would ask a friend of mine from Kerela if he is interested in

translating it, if he agrees then i shall ask you to kindly send it.

Can you let me know who the author is of the text and the period when

it was written.

If the author is Siddhasena, then I shall be most delighted

Kind regards

Sunil

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December 28, 2005

Dear Ramapriya,

Would it be asking too much if you can send it (Ashtakavarga

Mahanibandha) to me?

Chandrashekhar.

Ramapriya D wrote:

Dear Sunil John,

Should it interest you, I've a soft copy of the Sanskrit version

of the Ashtakavarga Mahanibandh in Sanskrit - a 13-odd meg thing broken

into six 2-odd meg chunks. It won't cost you much either.

Respects,

Ramapriya

On 12/27/05, Sunil John <suniljohn_2002

wrote:

Dear Chandrashekharji & Other members,

Pls find below Mr. Ramans response mail which

was not forwarded to other groups who were a part of the earlier series

of mails.

Swee has been kind to forward Mr.Ramans reply

with examples, though his mail didnt respond to my queries

appropriately at all as to why the technique of bhuktis from his

article is not at all working in the examples given by him. Further

interesting points i will point out in his mail below. Before that I

would narrate Shri C.S.Patels views, which upon the reminder of

Respected Chandrashekharji I asked Chandubhai today (C.S.Patel)

I was scared to ask Chandubhai about

Ashtakvarga Dasas since i had not read his Classic on the Ashtakvarga

(1957), he instantly pointed out that he and Iyer didnt divulge

this Dasa in their book. I asked him whats the classical reference

behind it and he said Parasara. I replied that its not possible since

all our list members have read Parasara's work and no one seemed to

knew about it. He raised his voice saying that Arudhas are mentioned in

Parasaras work but until he came out with his book on Arudhas no one

seemed to talk about Arudhas, and how to use it. Only few people who

can be counted on fingertips could know how to use it. I waited

patiently for 15 mins quietly and finallys he said i should not

concentrate on Ashtakvarga Dasas. He was also upset that i had not read

his book (written in 1957) since the dasa had been mentioned in it.

December 29, 2005

On 12/28/05, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

Dear Ramapriya,Would it be asking too much if you can send it (Ashtakavarga Mahanibandha) to me?

Chandrashekhar.

Not at all, dear Chandrashekhar, though I thought you'd have it already, because it was on the CD with all the other stuff - remember the astrocasual days?

I can resend but as I discovered y'day when trying to mail Ms. Swee Chan, Gmail doesn't accept exe files as attachments... damn!

I can easily resend you, though; I have yr address and tel number written down somewhere.

Regards,

Ramapriyaayirpamar

December 30, 2005

Dear Chandrashekharji, Pranam Sorry for the delayed reply. Since Swee or Dr.Raman has so far not responded may I reply on the calculation ofthe Dasa. Although this was mentinoed by me in my 2nd mail on the topic the source of which was Mr.Ramans article only. 1.The MahaDasa is calculated as per Chara Dasa of Parasara 2.The antardasa calculation is where the difference lies The Bhuktis are calculated by considering the position of Venus in the RASI Chart Each Dasa period is Split into 12 equal parts, the 1st bhukti starts from the sign occupied by Ven and the remaining follow in the REGULAR order from that sign We should learn humbleness from you Sir. Very kind of you to help re Patels book, I shall write a seperate mail to you on that. You know he is working on retrogression. To start off Would you have charts where Navamsa Lagna Lord is retrograde. If you do not have maybe ur students and friends in ur astrocircle even if they have it would be most helpful. U know Chandubhai is not a practising astrologer so he doesnt have much charts & nor i have been able to supplement him with many. Due to not having computer and charts, he has not made progress in his work. Looking forward to your mail Regards SJ Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: Dear Sunil,Yes Chandubhai's book does talk about how to determine Aayu through use of shodhya pinda. And

I too think that since Chara dasha is used in combination with Ashtakavarga principles in the examples of Mr. Raman, it might not be correct to call it Ashtaka varga dasha. I have responded to the mail circulated by Swee, seeking to know whether my understanding is faulty. Let us see what is the response. I am sure Mr. Raman will give some reference of classics.I shall certainly help in any book that Chandubhai and you may want to bring out for the benefit of astrologers. In fact I shall be honored to help in any way that i can. Chandubhai's knowledge is encyclopedic and I respect both his age and his knowledge, as you know very well.Take care,Chandrashekhar.Sunil John wrote: Dear Chandrashekharji & Other members, Pls find below Mr. Ramans response mail which was not forwarded to other groups who were a part of the earlier series of mails. Swee has been kind to forward Mr.Ramans reply with examples, though his mail didnt respond to my queries appropriately at all as to why the technique of bhuktis from his article is not at all working in the examples given by him. Further interesting points i will point out in his mail below. Before that I would narrate Shri C.S.Patels views, which upon the reminder of Respected Chandrashekharji I asked Chandubhai today (C.S.Patel) I was scared to ask Chandubhai about Ashtakvarga Dasas since i had not read his Classic on the Ashtakvarga (1957), he instantly pointed out that he and Iyer didnt divulge this Dasa in their book. I asked him whats the classical reference behind it and he said Parasara. I replied that its not possible since all our list members have read Parasara's work and no one seemed to knew about it. He raised his voice saying that Arudhas are mentioned in Parasaras work but until he came out with his book on Arudhas no one seemed to talk about Arudhas, and how to use it. Only few people who can be counted on fingertips could know how to use it. I waited patiently for 15 mins quietly and finallys he said i should not concentrate on Ashtakvarga Dasas. He was also upset that i had not read his book (written in 1957) since the dasa had been mentioned in it. Brief Mention on the Ashtakvarga Dasas in his book Mention 1 Introduction Pg XVII The Ashtakvarga Sstem of Dasas: In this method the Shodhapindas of the planets are multiplied by 7 and the product is divided by 27. The quotient is Nakshatra yrs. These are subject to Mandala corrrections and reduction to a) planetary conjunctions and b) due to positions in

the visible half of the birthchart. This has been fully worked out. In this system the periods contributed by the planets are variable according to the Shodhyapinda. The Antaras, their order and their periods also diifer in every horoscope SJ Remarks: I think this grossly differs to the calculation pointed out by Mr. Raman unless what Patel in the above paragraph is talking about is Ayurdasas Mention 2 in this book Introduction Pg XXiii The Ashtakvarga Dasa, though highly spoken of by ancient teachers of astrology is not availed of in practice now-a-days Mention 3 I cant find it right now, though i read it in the afternoon. In my conversation repeatedly i asked him if it is not AyurDasas that i am talking about and he said yes it is different and all matters can be seen but he wasnt impressed by this topic of discussion at all. He pulled me back to work on this new book for which Chandrashekarji i am going to take ur and

others help from this group. Now, below we find Mr. Ramans response to my queries, my comments on that a) Although he says that he has used jhora but in the recent first 2 examples which i checked, the Sodya Pindas of Ven used by him is different to what Jhora gives, same issue in my 1st earlier mail i had pointed out in his published article. He didnt even address that b) He hasnt replie to give explanation as to why Bhukti determinationa technique in his published article

doesnt work. c) He doesnt give classical reference or from where he learnt this technique. d) He additionally gives some definition of Vivaha as just mere sex also that this dasa points out, now this was not published in the article in the magazine, which as the case maybe then my interest in this dasa after so much of pomp pomp on it has dwindled completely. e) I shall try and maybe correspond with him now, though i have lost his email id, might ask Sushmita our old member since

she had corresponded with him couple of times. In the mail forwarded by Swee his mail id was deleted, maybe i shall ask Swee about it. Pls find below Mr.Ramans mail Regards, Sunil John Mumbai P.S: somehow after the first

mail from PVR, there has been no response from him, maybe he has gotten busy with the Pooja Warm regards, Raman Suprajarama ---------------- Dear Friends, I am glad that the article has aroused interest among the astrological family. It was father’s desire and advice that the article be written. A few important points have to be noted. The articles have been wrongly titled. The

article appearing in our September 2005 issue is on Graha Dasa and that in our December 2005 issue is on Rasi Dasa. We can classify the Dasa systems broadly into two categories. They are Rasi Dasa and Graha Dasa. Vimshottari, Ashottari etc fall under Graha (Planets) Dasa and Chara, Sthira, Trikona etc fall under Rasi (Signs) Dasa. Ashtakavarga Dasa, either Rasi

based or Graha based, further falls under Gochara section. There is a difference between a natal fixed horoscope analysis and a gochara analysis. I will not be going in detail about the differences in this mail, but will definitely be speaking about them in the upcoming SJC Conference 2006. Coming back to Ashtakavarga Rasi Dasa with respect the marriage, we need to first understand what “Vivaha” is. Vivaha simply put means marriage. But in actual terms, it is much more that mere exchange of garlands, rings or tying the knot. Vivaha can be understood as a complete acceptance and respect of a male and female in terms of mind,

body, soul etc. Gochara section helps us to identify such scenarios which are reality in the illusory world. In the amarakosha, Vivaha comes under the Brahma Varga and not under Kshatriya or other Vargas. If it had come under Kshatriya Varga, the term Vivaha can be understood as a physical union for gratification of senses or for mutual benefit. In current times, Living Together relationships and the like fall under this category. Vivaha, falling under Brahma Varga, means more than this. A couple might have exchanged garlands and signed the marriage register, but this does not amount to Vivaha. For Vivaha to take place, a mutual acceptance of Brahmic attributes is essential. The following three examples might help in understanding the beauty of Ashtakavarga Rasi Dasa. Some have asked as to which Software I use for calculations. We use our own software. However, for the benefit of members, in the current email, I am using the values

calculated using Jagannatha Hora of Narasimha Rao. The values are quite accurate and reliable. Example 1: Bill Gates, October 28, 1955 at 9:15:00 pm, Seattle The Mahadasa periods are as follows (Chara Dasa): Ge: 10/28/1955 - 10/28/1959 Ta: 10/28/1959 - 10/28/1964 Ar: 10/28/1964

- 10/28/1969 Pi: 10/28/1969 - 10/27/1976 Aq: 10/27/1976 - 10/28/1981 Cp: 10/28/1981

- 10/28/1985 Sg: 10/28/1985 - 10/28/1993 Sc: 10/28/1993 - 10/28/2003 Li: 10/28/2003

- 10/28/2015 Vi: 10/28/2015 - 10/28/2027 Le: 10/28/2027 - 10/27/2036 Cn: 10/27/2036

- 10/27/2040 In the Navamsa, UL falls in Leo. The 2nd house is Virgo and has the influence of Rahu and Ketu. The 7th house, Aquarius, is free of influences. Virgo becomes stronger. Sagittarius, Pisces and Gemini aspect Virgo and become eligible to facilitate marriage. Let us consider

Sagittarius Dasa. The bhuktis are as follows: Li: 28-Oct-85 - 28-Jun-86 Sc: 28-Jun-86 - 27-Feb-87 Sg: 27-Feb-87 - 28-Oct-87 Cp: 28-Oct-87 - 28-Jun-88 Aq: 28-Jun-88 - 26-Feb-89 Ps:

26-Feb-89 - 28-Oct-89 Ar: 28-Oct-89 - 28-Jun-90 Ta: 28-Jun-90 - 27-Feb-91 Gm: 27-Feb-91

- 28-Oct-91 Cn: 28-Oct-91 - 28-Jun-92 Le: 28-Jun-92 - 26-Feb-93 Vi: 26-Feb-93

- 28-Oct-93 Sodya Pinda of Venus is 186 and there 3 bindus in the 7th house from Venus in Binna Ashtakavarga. 186 * 3 = 558 mod 12 = 6 indicating Virgo. Virgo and its trines can give marriage. Vivaha is likely to have taken place in Pisces-Virgo ie between 26-Feb-93 and 28-Oct-93. The

official marriage, however took place on January 1, 1994. Example 2: George W Bush, July 6, 1946 7:26:00 am, USA Cn: 6-Jul-46

- 5-Jul-56 Le: 5-Jul-56 - 6-Jul-58 Vi: 6-Jul-58 - 5-Jul-60 Li:

5-Jul-60 - 5-Jul-69 Sc: 5-Jul-69 - 6-Jul-78 Sg: 6-Jul-78 - 6-Jul-87 Cp: 6-Jul-87 - 5-Jul-93 Aq: 5-Jul-93 - 5-Jul-00 Pi: 5-Jul-00 - 5-Jul-06 Ar: 5-Jul-06 - 5-Jul-10 Ta: 5-Jul-10 - 5-Jul-12 Ge: 5-Jul-12 -

5-Jul-13 In Navamsa, UL falls in Scorpio. Sagittarius and Taurus become eligible. Sagittarius has Mercury and becomes more powerful. Pisces, Gemini and Virgo aspect Sagittarius and become eligible to facilitate Marriage. The bhuktis in Sagittarius Dasa are: Cn: 6-Jul-78 - 5-Apr-79 Le: 5-Apr-79 - 4-Jan-80 Vi:

4-Jan-80 - 4-Oct-80 Li: 4-Oct-80 - 5-Jul-81 Sc: 5-Jul-81 - 5-Apr-82 Sg:

5-Apr-82 - 4-Jan-83 Cp: 4-Jan-83 - 5-Oct-83 Aq: 5-Oct-83 - 5-Jul-84 Ps:

5-Jul-84 - 5-Apr-85 Ar: 5-Apr-85 - 4-Jan-86 Ta: 4-Jan-86 - 5-Oct-86 Gm:

5-Oct-86 - 6-Jul-87 Sodya Pinda of Venus I 73 and it has 4 bindus in the 7th from it. 73 * 4 = 292 MOD 12 = 4 indicates Cancer. Cancer and its trines can indicate marriage. Cancer Bhukti could have given Vivaha (6-Jul-78 to 5-Apr-79). The official exchange of rings took place on Nov 5, 1977 (perhaps Kshatriya type) and Vivaha took place much later. Example 3: Male, December 4, 1978, 4.54 pm, Bangalore The Mahadasas are as follows: Ta: 4-Dec-78 - 4-Dec-83 Ar: 4-Dec-83 - 4-Dec-91 Pi:

4-Dec-91 - 4-Dec-00 Aq: 4-Dec-00 - 4-Dec-05 Cp: 4-Dec-05 - 4-Dec-10 Sg:

4-Dec-10 - 4-Dec-18 Sc: 4-Dec-18 - 4-Dec-22 Li: 4-Dec-22 - 4-Dec-34 Vi: 4-Dec-34 - 3-Dec-44 Le: 3-Dec-44 - 3-Dec-53 Cn: 3-Dec-53 - 4-Dec-59 Ge: 4-Dec-59 - 3-Dec-64 In Navamsa, Taurus is UL. The 2nd and 7th signs are Taurus and Libra. Taurus is influenced by Moon, but Libra is influenced by 2 planets, viz., Saturn and Mars. Hence, Libra becomes powerful. Aquarius, Taurus and Leo aspect the sign and becomes eligible to facilitate Marriage. Let us consider Aquarius Dasa. The Bhukti’s are as follows: Li 4-Dec-00 - 5-May-01 Sc 5-May-01 -

4-Oct-01 Sg 4-Oct-01 - 5-Mar-02 Cp 5-Mar-02 - 4-Aug-02 Aq 4-Aug-02 -

3-Jan-03 Ps 3-Jan-03 - 5-Jun-03 Ar 5-Jun-03 - 4-Nov-03 Ta 4-Nov-03 -

4-Apr-04 Gm 4-Apr-04 - 3-Sep-04 Cn 3-Sep-04 - 2-Feb-05 Le 2-Feb-05 -

4-Jul-05 Vi 4-Jul-05 - 4-Dec-05 SP of Venus is 87 and it has 5 bindus in the 7th from it. 87 * 5 = 435 MOD 12 = 3 indicates Gemini. Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces aspect Gemini and can facilitate

marriage. Vivaha took place in the month of August 2002 and the marriage took place in September 2002. In above example, the three charts give three different scenarios. Ashtakavarga Dasa beautifully identifies the Vivaha time in this illusory world. Please note that the Dasa system helps us identify the Brahmic marriage. In current times, marriage has no meaning

and the system fails in identifying such marriages. Om Tat Sat, Raman Suprajarama Jaya Jagannatha Dear Raman, Namaste This might have missed your attention. Love, Swee Dear Chandukaka, As per what has been told to me, it is applicable in similar fashion. In his article on this, Mr.Raman didn’t indicate the reason why it is called Ashtakavarga Graha Dasha

nor the source, infact since it is a Rasi Dasa, accordingly it should be called Ashtakavarga Rasi Dasha. In previous mail of 2 days back wherein I had sent 3 charts as examples, I had stated there that the bhukti technique is not working only Main Period technique is working. Speaking on marriage timing, since 1.5 yrs I am trying to get hold of a work which gives

through mathematical model as to how to arrive at the marriage year, 100% success rate. It is reputed to be a very famous technique from a senior astrologer in Delhi. Unfotunately I have not been successful so far Best wishes SJ Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: Dear Sunil, Is this applicable to all Karakas in similar fashion? Did Raman Suprajarama indicate why it is called Ashtaka varga Graha dasha and the source? Appears to be more like Karaka dasha to me. Of course I! could be wrong. Did you see whether the Bhukti fits in with the method given for the first chart? Chandrashekhar. Sunil John wrote: Dear

PVR, Sashtanga Pranam My Jhora is suddenly not working today giving MCS or MCF application error otherwise i would have attached charts & done more search on other charts. Pls ! find below rough notes that i prepared few days back with 2 chart examples. this dasa appeared in an article in Astrological Magazine and was written by Raman Suprajarama.

Although here he has used it only to time Marriage, from what I remember this dasa has multiple uses if Karaka is changed & Arudha is changed (from what given here in this article) - A10 for career in D10 chart, this is as per what i remember what my village astrologer told me. Then the antars would start in different order as karaka would change. Also, I wonder if the dasa can be used! for general predictions along with SAV & PAV points to judge the result of dasa and antar in ones life. If you or anyone can point out how to remove the MCS application error so that Jhora starts again in my PC i shall be indebted, without that software i have been frustrated from morning. tried reinstalling several times but not working. best wishes SJ My notes Astakvarga Graha Dasa PREMISE The Dasa order in Ahstakavarga Graha Dasa scheme is similar to that of Chara Dasha –(SJ- in order to match with what Raman Suprajarama has given pls use Jhora and for Main Dasa order and duration just click to CHARA Dasa (Parasara Schem! e) – tested this on the 2 charts given by Raman in the Dec 05 AM mag & dasa order matches - KN Raos & Irangati's Chara dasa doesnt match with what Raman gave) Start dasa calculation from the day one was born e.g May 11th 1973 Sign based dasa Some scholars of the opinion that Trikona based dasa can also be used as it denotes the four purposes of life (Dh! arma, ARtha, Kama and Moksha) The Bhuktis are calculated by considering the position of Venus in the RASI Chart Each Dasa period is Split into 12 equal parts, the 1st bhukti starts from the sign occupied by Ven and the remaining follow in the REGULAR order from that sign Step 1: 1. Find out the UL Lagna in D9. 2. The 2nd house from UL indicates family here and 7th house indicates spouse. We need to consider the stronger of the two houses If more planets are present in either of the houses that becomes stronger. If both houses contain equal number of planets (or no planets) then the one with Mer or Jup or its LORD becomes the strongest. If this condition is also not satisfied, then the nature of the sign is studied, dual signs are MOST powerful, fixed signs come next and moveable signs are the least powerful. Step 2 The dasa of the sign arrived (Computed Sign) under STEP 1 indicates Marriage. It is also possible in the dasa of the signs aspecting the above Computed Sign Step 3

Such of those Rasis, arrived at in Step 2 (I think the ones aspecting the computed sign) which have more than 30 bindus in SAV can indicate marriage. Step 4 The Sodya Pinda of Venus and! the number of bindus in the 7th from Ven in Prastharashtakvarga (PAV) are multiplied and the product is divided by 12. The remainder represents the reference sign. Marriage can take place in the Bhukti of this sign or its Trines Chart 1 From Dec 05 Astro Mag Chart 1: 30th Aug, 1979 at 4.18 am at 12N59, 77E35, Can Asc, SC Nav (Author Raman Suprajama proved thro this dasa that Marriage Happened in Feb 19, 2005 in Aq Dasa, he didn’t go into antars in this chart, he only went till Step 2 to show the dasa working, I think he uses Raman Ayanamsa which would be seen I think in Chart 2) Personal notes on Chart 1 1) chart from Dec 05 A.M Ma! g. Pg 1022 2) Marriage - 19th Feb 05 3) Nav ASc seems correct to what was given in the mag Ahstakvarga Graha Dasa Step 1. In D9 Ul in Ge, 2nd from it is Cn and Sg is 7th, Cn has two plaents wehrea! s SG has none, so Cn is stronger and capable of giving marriage Step 2. Ta, Sc & Aq aspect this Computed sign which is Cancer, so all the 3 are capable of giving marriage Step 3: Also, the 3 signs arrived at which have moer than 30 bindus can give marriage but here none have more than 25 bindus, infact Aq which gave marriage has only 21

bindus Special note SJ: Aq has Ketu in it, which according to Jaimini - Ketu is capable of giving marriage strongly Step 4: Sodya Pinda of Ven = 147 & PAV of Ven is 3 both should be multiplied -

147*3=441 then divided by 12, remainder is 9 - So the remainder is 9 which becomes SAgitarrius as the reference Sign, the marriage can take place in the bhukti of this sign or its trines Final note: Step 3 & 4 didnt work in actual practice Chart No 2 1) Chart from Dec 05 AM mag, pg 1022 2) chart Details: 18th Jan, 1962, 21 hrs 23 mins at 26 N 27, 74 E 38 b) Nav Asc here is Virgo(thro jhora) but in mag it is

Libra, I guess since the article is from Raman Suprajamana, he must be using Raman Ayanamsa 3) Marriage in Jan 1999 SJ Notes: If on! e doesn’t take the right ayanamsa then UL changes which is the key to this dasa, so one way to testing this technique could be using it on known charts and using two different ayanamsas a) Here take Raman Ayanamsa and then only Libra lagna in D9 is arrived to match what is given in Dec 05 AM mag article by Raman Suprajama b) Step1: UL comes in Cancer, 2nd from it is Le with mer and 7th from it is Moon in Cp, since both have equal

number of planets, Le is taken since it has Mer (either Mer, Jup or its lord) Step 2: Signs aspecting Leo is AR, Libra and Cp - all 3 capable of giving marriage Step 3: SAV bindus - Ar is only 18, Li is 31 and Cp is 45, though Cp is more capable it didn’t give marriage whereas Aries/Aries gave marriage, maybe since Aries is 7th house of natal D9 Step 4: Sodya Pinda of

Ven=199 (whereas in magazine it is given 202) & 7th from PAV of Ven =1 (in mag it is 7). Multiply both = 199 (mag gives 1414) This 199 divide by 12, remainder is 7, so sign is Libra, so bhutki can be Libra and trines which is Ge or Aq, but infact bhukti was of Taurus - so technique doesn’t work SJ Notes: what Jhora gives as Sodya Pinda and number of bindus in Ven PAV, is completely differe! nt from what Raman Suprajaramas software is using, don’t forget to write to Virendra who knows Raman so as to know which software he is using . "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote: Namaste Sunil, I don't know of any software that gives it. If you share the definition of this dasa or give a reference, I can try to add it in my software (Jagannatha Hora). Give a practi! cal example also, if you can. Merry christmas and happy new year to you

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Namaste

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Love,

Swee

On Behalf Of Ramapriya D

Thursday, December 29, 2005

6:13 AM

Re: [Jaya Jagannatha]

Ashtakavarga Graha Dasa (C.S.Patel & Raman Suprarajama)

On 12/28/05, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar

wrote:

Dear Ramapriya,

Would it be asking too much if you can send it (Ashtakavarga Mahanibandha) to

me?

Chandrashekhar.

Not at all, dear Chandrashekhar,

though I thought you'd have it already, because it was on the CD with all the

other stuff - remember the astrocasual days?

I can resend but as I discovered y'day when trying to mail Ms. Swee

Chan, Gmail doesn't accept exe files as attachments... damn!

I can easily resend you, though; I have yr address and tel number

written down somewhere.

Regards,

Ramapriya

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Raman Suprajarama [cru115]

Tuesday, January 03, 2006

3:06 PM

'Swee Chan'

[sPAM] FW: Ashtakavarga

Graha Dasa (C.S.Patel & Raman Suprarajama)

Importance: Low

Dear Ms. Chan,

Can you kindly forward this to the relevant groups? I sent

this on Jan 1st, but did not receive a delivery report. Hence, am

sending again.

Thank you,

Raman Suprajarama

Raman Suprajarama [cru115]

Sunday, January 01, 2006

9:06 PM

'Swee Chan'

RE: Ashtakavarga Graha

Dasa (C.S.Patel & Raman Suprarajama)

Reply Below.

Swee Chan

[swee]

Wednesday, December 28, 2005

5:25 AM

'Raman

Suprajarama'

FW: [Jaya Jagannatha]

Ashtakavarga Graha Dasa (C.S.Patel & Raman Suprarajama)

Jaya

Jagannatha

Dear Raman Suprajarama,

Namaste

For your

attention. Can you please clarify Sunil’s doubts?

Thank you,

Love,

Swee

On Behalf

Of Sunil John

Tuesday, December 27, 2005

7:35 PM

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Group; ; Jyotish Group

[Jaya Jagannatha]

Ashtakavarga Graha Dasa (C.S.Patel & Raman Suprarajama)

Dear Chandrashekharji & Other members,

Pls find below Mr.

Ramans response mail which was not forwarded to other groups who were a part of

the earlier series of mails.

Swee has been kind to

forward Mr.Ramans reply with examples, though his mail didnt respond to my

queries appropriately at all as to why the technique of bhuktis from his

article is not at all working in the examples given by him. Further interesting

points i will point out in ! his mail below. Before that I would narrate Shri

C.S.Patels views, which upon the reminder of Respected Chandrashekharji

I asked Chandubhai today (C.S.Patel)

I was scared to ask

Chandubhai about Ashtakvarga Dasas since i had not read his Classic on the

Ashtakvarga (1957), he instantly pointed out that he and Iyer didnt divulge

this Dasa in their book. I asked him whats the classical reference behind it and

he said Parasara. I replied that its not possible since all our list members

have read Parasara's work and no one seemed to knew about it. He raised

his voice saying that Arudhas are mentioned in Parasaras work but until he

came out with his book on Arudhas no one seemed to talk about

Arudhas, and how to use it. Only few people! who can be counted on

fingertips could know how to use it. I waited patiently for 15 mins quietly and

finallys he said i should not concentrate on Ashtakvarga Dasas. He was also

upset that i had not read his book (written in 1957) since the dasa had been

mentioned in it.

[Raman Suprajarama]

I would like to respectfully differ from Sri Patel’s view. Ashtakavarga

Dasa beautifully explains a lot of events and reading about it will help

understand the finer points of astrology. I would recommend everyone to make

their research in this area.

Brief Mention on the

Ashtakvarga Dasas in his book

Mention 1

Introduction

Pg XVII

The Ashtakvarga Sstem of

Dasas: In this method the Shodhapindas of the planets are multiplied by 7 and

the product is divided by 27. The quotient is Nakshatra yrs. These are subject

to Mandala corrrections and reduction to a) planetary conjunctions and b) due

to positions in the visible half of the birthchart. This has been fully worked

out. In this system the periods contributed by the planets are variable

according to the Shodhyapinda. The Antaras, their order and their periods also

diifer in every horoscope

SJ Remarks: I think

this grossly differs to the calculation pointed out by Mr. Raman unless what

Patel in the ! above paragraph is talking about is Ayurdasas

[Raman Suprajarama]

If my memory serves me right, he is talking of special variant of Ashtakavarga

Ayurdasa. This is applicable when Mars is strong.

Mention 2 in this book

Introduction Pg XXiii

The Ashtakvarga Dasa,

though highly spoken of by ancient teachers of astrology is not availed of in

practice now-a-days

Mention 3

I cant find it right

now, though i read it in the afternoon.

In my conversation

repeatedly i asked him if it is not AyurDasas that i am talking about and he

said yes it is different and all matters can be seen but he wasnt impressed by

this topic of discussion at all. He pulled me back to work on this new book for

which Chandrashekarji i am going to take ur

and others help from this group.

Now, below we find Mr.

Ramans response to my queries, my comments on that

a) Although he says

that he has used jhora but in the recent first 2 examples which i checked, the

Sodya Pindas of Ven used by him is different to what Jhora gives, same

issue in my 1st earlier mail i had pointed out in his published

article. He didnt even address that

[Raman Suprajarama]

The settings might be different. I prefer to use Varahamihira’s values.

b) He hasnt replie to

give explanation as to why Bhukti determinationa technique in his published

article doesnt work.

[Raman Suprajarama]

In chart 1 (my article, Dec 2005 issue), the Sodya pinda of Venus is 164. When

multiplied by 3 (number of bindus) and divided by 12, we get 0 indicating

Pisces. Pisces and its trine are capable of giving marriage. Marriage took

place on February 19th, 2005. The antardasa calculations are as follows:

Le

30-Aug-99

- 28-Feb-00

Vi

28-Feb-00

- 29-Aug-00

Li

29-Aug-00

- 27-Feb-01

Sc

27-Feb-01

- 29-Aug-01

Sg

29-Aug-01

- 27-Feb-02

Cp

27-Feb-02

- 29-Aug-02

Aq

29-Aug-02

- 28-Feb-03

Ps

28-Feb-03

- 29-Aug-03

Ar

29-Aug-03

- 28-Feb-04

Ta

28-Feb-04

- 28-Aug-04

Gm

28-Aug-04

- 27-Feb-05

Cn

27-Feb-05

- 29-Aug-05

Cancer, Scorpio and Pisces can give marriage. Cancer Dasa

started on 27 Feb 05. Marriage took place on 19th Feb 2005, a

difference of about 8 days! I feel the difference is not very significant.

c) He do! esnt give

classical reference or from where he learnt this technique.

[Raman Suprajarama]

A mention of this is made in Dr. Raman’s book on Ashatakavarga. Pointers

can also be got in his book, Catechism of Astrology. Rather than learning from

books, Jyothisha/Vastu etc were taught to me directly by Grandfather and

Father. I may not be in a position to give you direct references, because of my

own limitations.

d) He additionally

gives some definition of Vivaha as just mere sex also that this dasa

points out, now this was not published in the article in the magazine, which as

the case maybe then my interest in this dasa after so much of pomp pomp on

it has dwindled completely.

[Raman Suprajarama]

I did not give it as mere sex. You may have to re-read my mail and my thoughts

on Vivaha. For Vivaha to take place, “Brahmic attributes” needs to

fulfill.

e) I shall try and

maybe correspond with him now, though i have lost his email id, might ask

Sushmita our old member since she had corresponded with him couple of times. In

the mail forwarded by Swee his mail id was d! eleted, maybe i shall ask

Swee about it.

[Raman Suprajarama]

You are most welcome to write to me. I don’t remember corresponding with

any member by name Sushmita. Can you please help me remember the same?

Sri Chandrashekar has asked about ashatakavarga Dasa - Apart

from Chara Dasa, we can also use Trikona Dasa. Just as ashtakavarga bindus are

made use of with reference to the natal horoscope, we can similarly make use of

ashtakavarga attributes in Dasa also. Regarding the use of the term Karaka

Dasa, we may use it if that makes us comfortable. Ashtakavarga definitions have

Karakas as the base!

Pls find below

Mr.Ramans mail

Regards,

Sunil John

Mumbai

P.S: somehow after the

first mail from PVR, there has been no response from him, maybe he has gotten

busy with the Pooja

Warm regards,

Raman Suprajarama

----------------

Dear Friends,

I am ! glad that the article has aroused interest among the

astrological family. It was father’s desire and advice that the article

be written.

A few important points have to be noted. The articles have been wrongly

titled. The article appearing in our September 2005 issue is on Graha Dasa and

that in our December 2005 issue is on Rasi Dasa.

We can classify the Dasa system! s broadly into two categories. They

are Rasi Dasa and Graha Dasa. Vimshottari, Ashottari etc fall under Graha

(Planets) Dasa and Chara, Sthira, Trikona etc fall under Rasi (Signs) Dasa.

Ashtakavarga Dasa, either Rasi based or Graha based, further falls

under Gochara section. There is a difference between a natal fixed horoscope

analysis and a gochara analysis. I will not be going in detail about the

differences in this mail, but will definitely be speaking about them in the

upcoming SJC Conference 2006.

Coming back to Ashtakavarga Rasi Dasa with respect the marriage, we

need to first understand what “Vivaha”

is. Vivaha simply put means marriage. But in actual terms, it is much more that

mere exchange of garlands, rings or tying the knot. Vivaha can be understood as

a complete acceptance and respect of a male and female in terms of mind, body,

soul etc. Gochara section helps us to identify such scenarios which are reality

in the illusory world.

In the am! arakosha, Vivaha comes under the Brahma Varga and not under Kshatriya or other

Vargas. If it had come under Kshatriya Varga, the term Vivaha

can be understood as a physical union for gratification of senses or for mutual

benefit. In current times, Living Together relationships and the like fall

under this category.

Vivaha, falling under Brahma Varga, means more than this. A couple

might have exchanged garlands and signed the marriage register, but this does

not amount to Vivaha. For Vivaha to take place, a mutual acceptance of Brahmic

attributes is essential.

The following three examples might help in understanding the beauty of

Ashtakavarga Rasi Dasa. Some have asked as to which Software I use for

calculations. We use our own software. However, for the benefit of members, in

the current email, I am using the values calculated using Jagannatha Hora of

Narasimha Rao. The values are quite accurate and reliable.

Example 1: Bill ! Gates, October 28,

1955 at 9:15:00 pm, Seattle

The Mahadasa periods are as follows (Chara Dasa):

Ge:

10/28/1955

- 10/28/1959

Ta:

10/28/1959

- 10/28/1964

Ar:

10/28/1964

- 10/28/1969

Pi:

10/28/1969

- 10/27/1976

Aq:

10/27/1976

- 10/28/1981

Cp:

10/28/1981

- 10/28/1985

Sg:

10/28/1985

- 10/28/1993

Sc:

10/28/1993

- 10/28/2003

Li:

10/28/2003

- 10/28/2015

Vi:

10/28/2015

- 10/28/2027

Le:

10/28/2027

- 10/27/2036

Cn:

10/27/2036

- 10/27/2040

In the Navamsa, UL falls in Leo. The 2nd

house is Virgo and has the influence of Rahu and Ketu. The 7th

house, Aquarius, is free of influences. Virgo becomes stronger. Sagittarius,

Pisces and Gemini aspect Virgo and become eligible to facilitate marriage.

Let us consider Sagittarius Dasa. The bhuktis are as follows:

Li:

28-Oct-85

- 28-Jun-86

Sc:

28-Jun-86 -

27-Feb-87

Sg:

27-Feb-87

- 28-Oct-87

Cp: ! ;

28-Oct-87

- 28-Jun-88

Aq:

28-Jun-88

- 26-Feb-89

Ps:

26-Feb-89

- 28-Oct-89

Ar:

28-Oct-89 & ! nbsp;

- 28-Jun-90

Ta:

28-Jun-90

- 27-Feb-91

Gm:

27-Feb-91

- 28-Oct-91

Cn:

28-Oct-91

- & nb! sp; 28-Jun-92

Le:

28-Jun-92

- 26-Feb-93

Vi:

26-Feb-93

- 28-Oct-93

Sodya P! inda of Venus is 186 and there 3 bindus in the 7th

house from Venus in Binna Ashtakavarga.

186 * 3 = 558 mod 12 = 6 indicating Virgo. Virgo and its trines can

give marriage. Vivaha is likely to have taken place in Pisces-Virgo ie between

26-Feb-93 and 28-Oct-93. The official marriage, however took place on January

1, 1994.

Example 2: George W Bush, July! 6, 1946 7:26:00 am, USA

Cn:

6-Jul-46

- 5-Jul-56

Le:

5-Jul-56

- 6-Jul-58

Vi:

6-Jul-58

- 5-Jul-60

Li:

5-Jul-60

- 5-Jul-69

Sc:

5-Jul-69

- 6-Jul-78

Sg:

6-Jul-78

- 6-Jul-87

Cp:

6-Jul-87

- 5-Jul-93

Aq: & nb! sp;

5-Jul-93

- 5-Jul-00

Pi:

5-Jul-00

- 5-Jul-06

Ar:

5-Jul-06

- 5-Jul-10

Ta:

5-Jul-10

- 5-Jul-12

Ge:

5-Jul-12

- 5-Jul-13

In Navamsa, UL falls in Scorpio. Sagittarius and Taurus become

eligible. Sagittarius ! has Mercury and becomes more powerful. Pisces, Gemini

and Virgo aspect Sagittarius and become eligible to facilitate Marriage.

The bhuktis in Sagittarius Dasa are:

Cn:

6-Jul-78

- 5-Apr-79

Le:

5-Apr-79

- 4-Jan-80

Vi:

4-Jan-80

- 4-Oct-80

Li:

4-Oct-80

- 5-Jul-81

Sc:

5-Jul-81

- 5-Apr-82

Sg: 5-Apr-82

- 4-Jan-83

Cp:

4-Jan-83

- 5-Oct-83

Aq:

5-Oct-83

- 5-Jul-84

Ps:

5-Jul-84

- 5-Apr-85

Ar:

5-Apr-85

- 4-Jan-86

Ta:

4-Jan-86

- 5-Oct-86

Gm:

5-Oct-86

- 6-Jul-87

Sodya Pinda of Venus! I 73 and it has 4 bindus in the 7th

from it.

73 * 4 = 292 MOD 12 = 4 indicates Cancer. Cancer and its trines can

indicate marriage. Cancer Bhukti could have given Vivaha (6-Jul-78 to

5-Apr-79). The official exchange of rings took place on Nov 5, 1977 (perhaps

Kshatriya type) and Vivaha took place much later.

Example 3: Male, Decembe! r 4, 1978,

4.54 pm, Bangalore

The Mahadasas are as follows:

Ta:

4-Dec-78

- 4-Dec-83

Ar:

4-Dec-83

- 4-Dec-91

Pi:

4-Dec-91

- 4-Dec-00

Aq:

4-Dec-00

- 4-Dec-05

/! B>Cp:

4-Dec-05

- 4-Dec-10

Sg:

4-Dec-10

- 4-Dec-18

Sc:

4-Dec-18

- 4-Dec-22

Li:

4-Dec-22

- 4-Dec-34

Vi:

4-Dec-34

- 3-Dec-44

Le:

3-Dec-44

- 3-Dec-53

Cn:

3-Dec-53

- 4-Dec-59

Ge:

4-Dec-59

- 3-Dec-64

In

Navamsa, Taurus is UL. The 2nd and 7th signs are Taurus

and Libra. Taurus is influenced by Moon, but Libra is influenced by 2 planets,

viz., Saturn and Mars. Hence, Libra becomes powerful. Aquarius, Taurus and Leo

aspect the sign and becomes eligible to facilitate Marriage.

Let us consider Aquarius Dasa. The

Bhukti’s are as follows:

Li

4-Dec-00

- 5-May-01

Sc

5-May-01

- 4-Oct-01

Sg

4-Oct-01 -

5-Mar-02

Cp

5-Mar-02

- 4-Aug-02

Aq

4-Aug-02

- 3-Jan-03

Ps

3-Jan-03

- 5-Jun-03

Ar

5-Jun-03

- 4-Nov-03

Ta

4-Nov-03

- 4-Apr-04

Gm

4-Apr-04

- 3-Sep-04

Cn

3-Sep-04

- 2-Feb-05

Le

2-Feb-05

- 4-Jul-05

Vi

4-Jul-05

- 4-Dec-05

SP of Venus is 87 and it has 5 bindus

in the 7th from it.

87 * 5 = 435 MOD 12 = 3 indicates

Gemini. Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces aspect Gemini and can facilitate

marriage.

Vivaha took place in the month of

August 2002 and the marriage took place in September 2002.

In above example, the three charts

give three different scenarios. Ashtakavarga Dasa beautifully identifies the

Vivaha time in this illusory world. Please note that the Dasa system helps us

identify the Brahmic marriage. In current times, marriage has no meaning and

the system fails in identifying such marriages.

Om Tat Sat,

Raman

Suprajarama

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Raman,

Namaste

This might have missed your

attention.

Love,

Swee

Dear Chandukaka,

As per what has been told to me, it is applicable in similar

fashion.

In his article on this, Mr.Raman

didn’t indicate the reason why it is called Ashtakavarga Graha Dasha nor

the source, infact since it is a Rasi Dasa, accordingly it should be called

Ashtakavarga Rasi Dasha.

In previous mail of 2 days back

wherein I had sent 3 charts ! as examples, I had stated there that the bhukti

technique is not working only Main Period technique is working.

Speaking on marriage timing, since

1.5 yrs I am trying to get hold of a work which gives through mathematical

model as to how to arrive at the marriage year, 100% success rate. It is

reputed to be a very famous technique from a senior astrologer in Delhi.

Unfotunately I have not been successful so far

Best wishes

SJ

Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

Dear Sunil,

Is this applicable to all Karakas in

similar fashion? Did Raman Suprajarama

indicate why it is called Ashtaka varga Graha dasha and the source? Appears to

be more like Karaka dasha to me. Of course I! could be wrong. Did you see

whether the Bhukti fits in with the method given for the first chart?

Chandrashekhar.

Sunil John wrote:

Dear PVR,

Sashtanga Pranam

My Jhora

is suddenly not working today giving MCS or MCF application error otherwise i

would have attached charts & done more search on other charts. Pls ! find

below rough notes that i prepared few days back with 2 chart examples. this

dasa appeared in an article in Astrological Magazine and was written by Raman Suprajarama.

Although here he has used it only to

time Marriage, from what I remember this dasa has multiple uses if Karaka is

changed & Arudha is changed (from what given here in this article) - A10

for career in D10 chart, this is! as per what i remember

what my village astrologer told me. Then the antars would start in

different order as karaka would change.

Also, I wonder if the dasa can be

used! for general predictions along with SAV & PAV points to judge the

result of dasa and antar in ones life.

If you or anyone can point out how to

remove the MCS application error so tha! t Jhora starts again in my PC i shall

be indebted, without that software i have been frustrated from morning. tried

reinstalling several times but not working.

best wishes

SJ

!

My notes

Astakvarga Graha Dasa

PREMISE

The Dasa

order in Ahstakavarga Graha Dasa scheme is similar to that of Chara Dasha

–(SJ- in order to match with what Raman

Suprajarama has given pls use Jhora and for Main Dasa order

and duration just click to CHARA Dasa (Parasara Schem! e) – tested this

on the 2 charts given by Raman in the Dec 05 AM mag & dasa order matches -

KN Raos & Irangati's Chara dasa doesnt match with what Raman gave)

Start dasa calculation from the day one was born e.g May 11th 1973

Sign

based dasa

Some

scholars of the opinion that Trikona based dasa can also be used as it denotes

the four purposes of life (Dh! arma, ARtha, Kama and Moksha)

The

Bhuktis are calculated by considering the position of Venus in the RASI Chart

Each

Dasa period is Split into 12 equal parts, the 1st bhukti starts from the sign

occupied by Ven and the remaining follow in the REGULAR order from that sign

Step 1:

1.

Find out the UL Lagna in D9.

2. & !

nbsp; The 2nd house from UL indicates family here and 7th house indicates

spouse. We need to consider the stronger of the two houses

If more

planets are present in either of the houses that becomes stronger.

If

both houses contain equal number of planets (or no planets) then the one with Mer

or Jup or its LORD becomes the strongest.

If

this condition is also not satisfied, then the nature of the sign is studied,

dual signs are MOST powerful! , fixed signs come next and moveable signs are

the least powerful.

Step 2

The

dasa of the sign arrived (Computed Sign) under STEP 1 indicates Marriage.

It is

also possible in the dasa of the signs aspecting the above Computed Sign

Step 3

Such

of those Rasis, arrived at in Step 2 (I think the ones aspecting the computed

sign) which have more than 30 bindus in SAV can indicate marriage.

Step 4

The

Sodya Pinda of Venus and! the number of bindus in the 7th from Ven in

Prastharashtakvarga (PAV) are multiplied and the product is divided by 12. The

remainder represents the reference sign. Marriage can take place in the Bhukti

of this sign or its Trines

Chart 1 From Dec 05 Astro Mag

Chart 1: 30th Aug, 1979 at 4.18 am at

12N59, 77E35, Can Asc, SC

Nav

(Author Raman Suprajama proved thro

this dasa that Marriage Happened in Feb 19, 2005 in Aq Dasa, he didn’t go

into antars in this chart, he only went till Step 2 to show the dasa working, I

think he uses Raman Ayanamsa which would be seen I think in Chart 2)

Personal notes on Chart 1

1) chart from Dec 05 A.M Ma! g. Pg

1022

2) Marriage - 19th Feb 05

3) Nav ASc seems correct to what was

given ! in the mag

Ahstakvarga Graha Dasa

Step 1. In D9 Ul in Ge, 2nd from it

is Cn and Sg is 7th, Cn has two plaents wehrea! s SG has none,

so Cn is stronger and capable of

giving marriage

Step 2. Ta, Sc & Aq aspect this!

Computed sign which is Cancer, so all the 3 are capable of giving marriage

Step 3: Also, the 3 signs arrived at

which have moer than 30 bindus can give marriage but here none have more than

25 bindus, infact Aq which gave marriage has only 21 bindus

Special note SJ: Aq has Ketu in

it, which according to Jaimini - Ketu is capable of giving marriage strongly

Step 4: Sodya Pinda of Ven = 147

& PAV of Ven is 3

both should be multiplied - 147*3=441

then divided by 12, remainder is 9 - So the remainder is 9

which becomes SAgitarrius as the

reference Sign, the marriage can take place in the bhukti of this sign or its

trines

Final note: Step 3 & 4 didnt work

in actual practice

Chart No 2

1) Chart from Dec 05 AM mag, pg 1022

2) chart Details: 18th Jan,

1962, 21 hrs 23 mins at 26 N 27, 74 E 38

b) Nav Asc here is Virgo(thro jhora)

but in mag it is Libra, I guess since the

article is from Raman Suprajamana, he

must be using Raman Ayanamsa

3) Marriage in Jan 1999

SJ Notes: If on! e doesn’t take

the right ayanamsa then UL changes which is the key to this dasa, so one way to

testing this technique could be using it on known charts and using two

different ayanamsas

a) Here take Raman Ayanamsa and then

only Libra lagna in D9 is arrived to

match what is given in Dec 05 AM mag

article by Raman Suprajama

b) Step1: UL comes in Cancer, 2nd

from it is Le with mer and 7th from it is Moon in Cp, since both have equal

number of planets, Le is taken since it has Mer (either Mer, Jup or its lord)

Step 2: Signs aspecting Leo is AR,

Libra and Cp - all 3 capable of giving marriage

Step 3: SAV bindus - Ar is only 18,

Li is 31 and Cp is 45, though Cp is more capable! it didn’t give marriage

whereas Aries/Aries gave marriage, maybe since Aries is 7th house of natal D9

Step 4: Sodya Pinda of Ven=199

(whereas in magazine it is given 202) & 7th from PAV of Ven =1 (in mag it

is 7). Multiply both = 199 (mag gives 1414)

This 199 divide by 12, remainder is 7,

so sign is Libra, so bhutki can be Libra and trines which is Ge or Aq, but

infact bhukti was of Taurus - so technique doesn’t work

SJ Notes: what Jhora gives as Sodya

Pinda and number of bindus in Ven PAV, is completely differe! nt from what Raman Suprajaramas software is using, don’t

forget to write to Virendra who knows Raman so as to know which software he is

using .

" Narasimha P.V.R. Rao "

<pvr wrote:

Namaste Sunil,

I don't know of any software that

gives it.

If you share the definition of this

dasa or give a reference, I can try to add it in my software (Jagannatha Hora).

Give a practi! cal example a! lso, if you can.

Merry christmas and happy new year to

you too!

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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Ashtakavarga Graha Dasa -

astro software

Dear Learned Members,

Can anyone point out which astro

software calculates the “Ashtakavarga Graha Dasa”

!

Shall be most grateful.

Btw, Merry Christmas to everyone

& may the coming year be full of wonderful productive experiences.

Regards,

Sunil John

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January 3, 2006

Chandrashekhar

[sharma.chandrashekhar]

Tuesday, January 03, 2006

10:04 PM

Swee Chan

Re: Ashtakavarga Graha

Dasa (C.S.Patel & Raman Suprarajama)

Dear Swee,

Please thank Raman for his clarification. It appears that what is being called

Ashtakavarga dasha is application of shodhya Pinda to a Dasha system and

obviously it can be applied to any dasha. So calling it Ashtakavarga dasha

might be a misnomer. Dasha applications to Ashtakavarga might be a better way

to describe it. Of course those more learned than me might hold a different

view on the matter.

Chandrashekhar.

Swee Chan wrote:

Will

do.

Swee

Raman Suprajarama [cru115]

Tuesday, January 03, 2006

3:06 PM

'Swee Chan'

[sPAM] FW: Ashtakavarga

Graha Dasa (C.S.Patel & Raman Suprarajama)

Importance: Low

Dear Ms. Chan,

Can you kindly forward this to the relevant groups? I

sent this on Jan 1st, but did not receive a delivery report. Hence,

am sending again.

Thank you,

Raman

Suprajarama

Raman Suprajarama [cru115]

Sunday, January 01, 2006

9:06 PM

'Swee Chan'

RE: Ashtakavarga Graha Dasa

(C.S.Patel & Raman Suprarajama)

Reply Below.

Swee Chan

[swee]

Wednesday, December 28, 2005

5:25 AM

'Raman Suprajarama'

FW: [Jaya Jagannatha] Ashtakavarga

Graha Dasa (C.S.Patel & Raman Suprarajama)

Jaya

Jagannatha

Dear Raman Suprajarama,

Namaste

For your

attention. Can you please clarify Sunil’s doubts?

Thank you,

Love,

Swee

On Behalf Of Sunil John

Tuesday, December 27, 2005

7:35 PM

; vedic astrology

Cc: Narasimha Rao; Narasimha Rao;

Parasari Jyotish; VA

Group; Varahamihira Group; ; Jyotish Group

[Jaya Jagannatha]

Ashtakavarga Graha Dasa (C.S.Patel & Raman Suprarajama)

Dear Chandrashekharji & Other

members,

Pls find below Mr.

Ramans response mail which was not forwarded to other groups who were a part of

the earlier series of mails.

Swee has been kind to

forward Mr.Ramans reply with examples, though his mail didnt respond to my

queries appropriately at all as to why the technique of bhuktis from his

article is not at all working in the examples given by him. Further interesting

points i will point out in ! his mail below. Before that I would narrate Shri

C.S.Patels views, which upon the reminder of Respected Chandrashekharji I asked Chandubhai

today (C.S.Patel)

I was scared to ask

Chandubhai about Ashtakvarga Dasas since i had not read his Classic on the

Ashtakvarga (1957), he instantly pointed out that he and Iyer didnt divulge

this Dasa in their book. I asked him whats the classical reference behind it

and he said Parasara. I replied that its not possible since all our list

members have read Parasara's work and no one seemed to knew about it.

He raised his voice saying that Arudhas are mentioned in Parasaras

work but until he came out with his book on Arudhas no one seemed to talk about

Arudhas, and how to use it. Only few people! who can be counted on

fingertips could know how to use it. I waited patiently for 15 mins quietly and

finallys he said i should not concentrate on Ashtakvarga Dasas. He was also

upset that i had not read his book (written in 1957) since the dasa had been

mentioned in it.

[Raman

Suprajarama] I would like to respectfully

differ from Sri Patel’s view. Ashtakavarga Dasa beautifully explains a

lot of events and reading about it will help understand the finer points of

astrology. I would recommend everyone to make their research in this area.

Brief Mention on the

Ashtakvarga Dasas in his book

Mention 1

Introduction

Pg XVII

The Ashtakvarga Sstem

of Dasas: In this method the Shodhapindas of the planets are multiplied by 7

and the product is divided by 27. The quotient is Nakshatra yrs. These are subject

to Mandala corrrections and reduction to a) planetary conjunctions and b) due

to positions in the visible half of the birthchart. This has been fully worked

out. In this system the periods contributed by the planets are variable

according to the Shodhyapinda. The Antaras, their order and their periods also

diifer in every horoscope

SJ Remarks: I think

this grossly differs to the calculation pointed out by Mr. Raman unless what

Patel in the ! above paragraph is talking about is Ayurdasas

[Raman

Suprajarama] If my memory serves me right,

he is talking of special variant of Ashtakavarga Ayurdasa. This is applicable

when Mars is strong.

Mention 2 in this book

Introduction Pg XXiii

The Ashtakvarga Dasa,

though highly spoken of by ancient teachers of astrology is not availed of in

practice now-a-days

Mention 3

I cant find it right

now, though i read it in the afternoon.

In my conversation

repeatedly i asked him if it is not AyurDasas that i am talking about and he

said yes it is different and all matters can be seen but he wasnt impressed by

this topic of discussion at all. He pulled me back to work on this new book for

which Chandrashekarji i am going to take ur

and others help from this group.

Now, below we find Mr.

Ramans response to my queries, my comments on that

a) Although he says

that he has used jhora but in the recent first 2 examples which i checked, the

Sodya Pindas of Ven used by him is different to what Jhora gives, same

issue in my 1st earlier mail i had pointed out in his published

article. He didnt even address that

[Raman

Suprajarama] The settings might be

different. I prefer to use Varahamihira’s values.

b) He hasnt replie to give

explanation as to why Bhukti determinationa technique in his published article

doesnt work.

[Raman

Suprajarama] In chart 1 (my article, Dec

2005 issue), the Sodya pinda of Venus is 164. When multiplied by 3 (number of

bindus) and divided by 12, we get 0 indicating Pisces. Pisces and its trine are

capable of giving marriage. Marriage took place on February 19th, 2005. The

antardasa calculations are as follows:

Le

30-Aug-99

- 28-Feb-00

Vi

28-Feb-00

- 29-Aug-00

Li

29-Aug-00

- 27-Feb-01

Sc

27-Feb-01

- 29-Aug-01

Sg

29-Aug-01

- 27-Feb-02

Cp

27-Feb-02

- 29-Aug-02

Aq

29-Aug-02

- 28-Feb-03

Ps

28-Feb-03

- 29-Aug-03

Ar

29-Aug-03

- 28-Feb-04

Ta

28-Feb-04

- 28-Aug-04

Gm

28-Aug-04

- 27-Feb-05

Cn

27-Feb-05

- 29-Aug-05

Cancer, Scorpio and Pisces can give marriage. Cancer

Dasa started on 27 Feb 05. Marriage took place on 19th Feb 2005, a

difference of about 8 days! I feel the difference is not very significant.

c) He do! esnt give

classical reference or from where he learnt this technique.

[Raman

Suprajarama] A mention of this is made in

Dr. Raman’s book on Ashatakavarga. Pointers can also be got in his book,

Catechism of Astrology. Rather than learning from books, Jyothisha/Vastu etc

were taught to me directly by Grandfather and Father. I may not be in a

position to give you direct references, because of my own limitations.

d) He additionally

gives some definition of Vivaha as just mere sex also that this dasa

points out, now this was not published in the article in the magazine, which as

the case maybe then my interest in this dasa after so much of pomp pomp on

it has dwindled completely.

[Raman

Suprajarama] I did not give it as mere sex.

You may have to re-read my mail and my thoughts on Vivaha. For Vivaha to take

place, “Brahmic attributes” needs to fulfill.

e) I shall try and

maybe correspond with him now, though i have lost his email id, might ask

Sushmita our old member since she had corresponded with him couple of times. In

the mail forwarded by Swee his mail id was d! eleted, maybe i shall ask

Swee about it.

[Raman

Suprajarama] You are most welcome to write

to me. I don’t remember corresponding with any member by name Sushmita.

Can you please help me remember the same?

Sri Chandrashekar has asked about ashatakavarga Dasa

- Apart from Chara Dasa, we can also use Trikona Dasa. Just as ashtakavarga

bindus are made use of with reference to the natal horoscope, we can similarly

make use of ashtakavarga attributes in Dasa also. Regarding the use of the term

Karaka Dasa, we may use it if that makes us comfortable. Ashtakavarga

definitions have Karakas as the base!

Pls find below

Mr.Ramans mail

Regards,

Sunil John

Mumbai

P.S: somehow after the

first mail from PVR, there has been no response from him, maybe he has gotten

busy with the Pooja

Warm regards,

Raman

Suprajarama

----------------

Dear Friends,

I am ! glad that the article has aroused interest

among the astrological family. It was father’s desire and advice that the

article be written.

A few important points have to be noted. The articles

have been wrongly titled. The article appearing in our September 2005 issue is

on Graha Dasa and that in our December 2005 issue is on Rasi Dasa.

We can classify the Dasa system! s broadly into two

categories. They are Rasi Dasa and Graha Dasa. Vimshottari, Ashottari etc fall

under Graha (Planets) Dasa and Chara, Sthira, Trikona etc fall under Rasi

(Signs) Dasa.

Ashtakavarga Dasa, either Rasi based or Graha based,

further falls under Gochara section. There is a difference between a natal

fixed horoscope analysis and a gochara analysis. I will not be going in detail

about the differences in this mail, but will definitely be speaking about them

in the upcoming SJC Conference 2006.

Coming back to Ashtakavarga Rasi Dasa with respect the

marriage, we need to first understand what “Vivaha” is. Vivaha simply put means marriage. But in

actual terms, it is much more that mere exchange of garlands, rings or tying

the knot. Vivaha can be understood as a complete acceptance and respect of a

male and female in terms of mind, body, soul etc. Gochara section helps us to

identify such scenarios which are reality in the illusory world.

In the am! arakosha, Vivaha comes under the Brahma Varga and not under

Kshatriya or other Vargas. If it had come under Kshatriya Varga,

the term Vivaha can be understood as a physical union for gratification of

senses or for mutual benefit. In current times, Living Together relationships

and the like fall under this category.

Vivaha, falling under Brahma Varga, means more than

this. A couple might have exchanged garlands and signed the marriage register,

but this does not amount to Vivaha. For Vivaha to take place, a mutual

acceptance of Brahmic attributes is essential.

The following three examples might help in

understanding the beauty of Ashtakavarga Rasi Dasa. Some have asked as to which

Software I use for calculations. We use our own software. However, for the

benefit of members, in the current email, I am using the values calculated

using Jagannatha Hora of Narasimha Rao. The values are quite accurate and

reliable.

Example 1: Bill ! Gates, October 28,

1955 at 9:15:00 pm, Seattle

The Mahadasa periods are as follows (Chara Dasa):

Ge:

10/28/1955

- 10/28/1959

Ta:

10/28/1959

- 10/28/1964

Ar:

10/28/1964

- 10/28/1969

Pi:

10/28/1969

- 10/27/1976

Aq: 10/27/1976

- 10/28/1981

Cp:

10/28/1981

- 10/28/1985

Sg:

10/28/1985

- 10/28/1993

Sc:

10/28/1993

- 10/28/2003

Li:

10/28/2003

- 10/28/2015

Vi:

10/28/2015 -

10/28/2027

Le:

10/28/2027

- 10/27/2036

Cn:

10/27/2036

- 10/27/2040

In the Navamsa, UL falls in Leo. The 2nd

house is Virgo and has the influence of Rahu and Ketu. The 7th

house, Aquarius, is free of influences. Virgo becomes stronger. Sagittarius,

Pisces and Gemini aspect Virgo and become eligible to facilitate marriage.

Let us consider Sagittarius Dasa. The bhuktis are as

follows:

Li:

28-Oct-85

- 28-Jun-86

Sc:

28-Jun-86

- 27-Feb-87

Sg:

27-Feb-87

- 28-Oct-87

Cp: ! ;

28-Oct-87

- 28-Jun-88

Aq:

28-Jun-88

- 26-Feb-89

Ps:

26-Feb-89

- 28-Oct-89

Ar:

28-Oct-89 & ! nbsp;

- 28-Jun-90

Ta:

28-Jun-90

- 27-Feb-91

Gm:

27-Feb-91

- 28-Oct-91

Cn:

28-Oct-91

- & nb! sp; 28-Jun-92

Le:

28-Jun-92

- 26-Feb-93

Vi:

26-Feb-93

- 28-Oct-93

Sodya P! inda of Venus is 186 and there 3 bindus in

the 7th house from Venus in Binna Ashtakavarga.

186 * 3 = 558 mod 12 = 6 indicating Virgo. Virgo and

its trines can give marriage. Vivaha is likely to have taken place in

Pisces-Virgo ie between 26-Feb-93 and 28-Oct-93. The official marriage, however

took place on January 1, 1994.

Example 2: George W Bush, July! 6, 1946 7:26:00 am, USA

Cn:

6-Jul-46

- 5-Jul-56

Le:

5-Jul-56

- 6-Jul-58

Vi:

6-Jul-58

- 5-Jul-60

Li:

5-Jul-60

- 5-Jul-69

Sc:

5-Jul-69

- 6-Jul-78

Sg:

6-Jul-78

- 6-Jul-87

Cp:

6-Jul-87

- 5-Jul-93

Aq: & nb!

sp; 5-Jul-93

- 5-Jul-00

Pi:

5-Jul-00

- 5-Jul-06

Ar:

5-Jul-06

- 5-Jul-10

Ta:

5-Jul-10

- 5-Jul-12

Ge:

5-Jul-12

- 5-Jul-13

In Navamsa, UL falls in Scorpio. Sagittarius and

Taurus become eligible. Sagittarius ! has Mercury and becomes more powerful.

Pisces, Gemini and Virgo aspect Sagittarius and become eligible to facilitate

Marriage.

The bhuktis in Sagittarius Dasa are:

Cn:

6-Jul-78

- 5-Apr-79

Le:

5-Apr-79

- 4-Jan-80

Vi:

4-Jan-80

- 4-Oct-80

Li:

4-Oct-80

- 5-Jul-81

Sc:

5-Jul-81

- 5-Apr-82

Sg: 5-Apr-82

- 4-Jan-83

Cp:

4-Jan-83

- 5-Oct-83

Aq:

5-Oct-83

- 5-Jul-84

Ps:

5-Jul-84

- 5-Apr-85

Ar:

5-Apr-85

- 4-Jan-86

Ta:

4-Jan-86

- 5-Oct-86

Gm:

5-Oct-86

- 6-Jul-87

Sodya Pinda of Venus! I 73 and it has 4 bindus in the

7th from it.

73 * 4 = 292 MOD 12 = 4 indicates Cancer. Cancer and

its trines can indicate marriage. Cancer Bhukti could have given Vivaha

(6-Jul-78 to 5-Apr-79). The official exchange of rings took place on Nov 5,

1977 (perhaps Kshatriya type) and Vivaha took place much later.

Example 3: Male, Decembe! r 4, 1978,

4.54 pm, Bangalore

The Mahadasas are as follows:

Ta:

4-Dec-78

- 4-Dec-83

Ar:

4-Dec-83

- 4-Dec-91

Pi:

4-Dec-91

- 4-Dec-00

Aq:

4-Dec-00

- 4-Dec-05

Cp:

4-Dec-05 -

4-Dec-10

Sg:

4-Dec-10

- 4-Dec-18

Sc:

4-Dec-18

- 4-Dec-22

Li:

4-Dec-22

- 4-Dec-34

Vi:

4-Dec-34

- 3-Dec-44

Le:

3-Dec-44

- 3-Dec-53

Cn:

3-Dec-53

- 4-Dec-59

Ge:

4-Dec-59

- 3-Dec-64

In Navamsa, Taurus is UL. The 2nd

and 7th signs are Taurus and Libra. Taurus is influenced by Moon,

but Libra is influenced by 2 planets, viz., Saturn and Mars. Hence, Libra

becomes powerful. Aquarius, Taurus and Leo aspect the sign and becomes eligible

to facilitate Marriage.

Let us consider Aquarius Dasa. The

Bhukti’s are as follows:

Li

4-Dec-00

- 5-May-01

Sc

5-May-01

- 4-Oct-01

Sg

4-Oct-01

- 5-Mar-02

Cp

5-Mar-02

- 4-Aug-02

Aq

4-Aug-02

- 3-Jan-03

Ps

3-Jan-03

- 5-Jun-03

Ar

5-Jun-03

- 4-Nov-03

Ta

4-Nov-03

- 4-Apr-04

Gm

4-Apr-04

- 3-Sep-04

Cn

3-Sep-04

- 2-Feb-05

Le

2-Feb-05

- 4-Jul-05

Vi

4-Jul-05

- 4-Dec-05

SP of Venus is 87 and it has 5 bindus

in the 7th from it.

87 * 5 = 435 MOD 12 = 3 indicates

Gemini. Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces aspect Gemini and can facilitate marriage.

Vivaha took place in the month of

August 2002 and the marriage took place in September 2002.

In above example, the three charts

give three different scenarios. Ashtakavarga Dasa beautifully identifies the

Vivaha time in this illusory world. Please note that the Dasa system helps us

identify the Brahmic marriage. In current times, marriage has no meaning and

the system fails in identifying such marriages.

Om Tat Sat,

Raman Suprajarama

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Raman,

Namaste

This might have missed your attention.

Love,

Swee

Dear Chandukaka,

As per what has been told to me, it

is applicable in similar fashion.

In his article on this, Mr.Raman

didn’t indicate the reason why it is called Ashtakavarga Graha Dasha nor

the source, infact since it is a Rasi Dasa, accordingly it should be called

Ashtakavarga Rasi Dasha.

In previous mail of 2 days back

wherein I had sent 3 charts ! as examples, I had stated there that the bhukti

technique is not working only Main Period technique is working.

Speaking on marriage timing, since

1.5 yrs I am trying to get hold of a work which gives through mathematical

model as to how to arrive at the marriage year, 100% success rate. It is

reputed to be a very famous technique from a senior astrologer in Delhi.

Unfotunately I have not been successful so far

Best wishes

SJ

Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar

wrote:

Dear Sunil,

Is this applicable to all Karakas in

similar fashion? Did Raman

Suprajarama indicate why it is called

Ashtaka varga Graha dasha and the source? Appears to be more like Karaka dasha

to me. Of course I! could be wrong. Did you see whether the Bhukti fits in with

the method given for the first chart?

Chandrashekhar.

Sunil John wrote:

Dear PVR,

Sashtanga Pranam

My

Jhora is suddenly not working today giving MCS or MCF application error

otherwise i would have attached charts & done more search on other charts.

Pls ! find below rough notes that i prepared few days back with 2 chart

examples. this dasa appeared in an article in Astrological Magazine and was

written by Raman

Suprajarama.

Although here he has used it only to

time Marriage, from what I remember this dasa has multiple uses if Karaka is

changed & Arudha is changed (from what given here in this article) - A10

for career in D10 chart, this is! as per what i remember

what my village astrologer told me. Then the antars would start in

different order as karaka would change.

Also, I wonder if the dasa can be

used! for general predictions along with SAV & PAV points to judge the

result of dasa and antar in ones life.

If you or anyone can point out how to

remove the MCS application error so tha! t Jhora starts again in my PC i shall

be indebted, without that software i have been frustrated from morning. tried

reinstalling several times but not working.

best wishes

SJ

!

My notes

Astakvarga Graha Dasa

PREMISE

The

Dasa order in Ahstakavarga Graha Dasa scheme is similar to that of Chara Dasha

–(SJ- in order to match with what Raman Suprajarama has given pls use

Jhora and for Main Dasa order and duration just click to CHARA Dasa (Parasara

Schem! e) – tested this on the 2 charts given by Raman in the Dec 05 AM

mag & dasa order matches - KN Raos & Irangati's Chara dasa doesnt match

with what Raman gave)

Start

dasa calculation from the day one was born e.g May 11th 1973

Sign

based dasa

Some

scholars of the opinion that Trikona based dasa can also be used as it denotes

the four purposes of life (Dh! arma, ARtha, Kama and Moksha)

The

Bhuktis are calculated by considering the position of Venus in the RASI Chart

Each

Dasa period is Split into 12 equal parts, the 1st bhukti starts from the sign

occupied by Ven and the remaining follow in the REGULAR order from that sign

Step 1:

1.

Find out the UL Lagna in D9.

2. & !

nbsp; The 2nd house from UL indicates family here and 7th house indicates

spouse. We need to consider the stronger of the two houses

If more

planets are present in either of the houses that becomes stronger.

If

both houses contain equal number of planets (or no planets) then the one with

Mer or Jup or its LORD becomes the strongest.

If

this condition is also not satisfied, then the nature of the sign is studied,

dual signs are MOST powerful! , fixed signs come next and moveable signs are

the least powerful.

Step 2

The

dasa of the sign arrived (Computed Sign) under STEP 1 indicates Marriage.

It is

also possible in the dasa of the signs aspecting the above Computed Sign

Step 3

Such

of those Rasis, arrived at in Step 2 (I think the ones aspecting the computed

sign) which have more than 30 bindus in SAV can indicate marriage.

Step 4

The Sodya Pinda of Venus and! the number of bindus in the 7th from Ven in

Prastharashtakvarga (PAV) are multiplied and the product is divided by 12. The

remainder represents the reference sign. Marriage can take place in the Bhukti

of this sign or its Trines

Chart 1

From Dec 05 Astro Mag

Chart 1:

30th Aug, 1979 at 4.18 am at 12N59, 77E35, Can Asc, SC

Nav

(Author

Raman Suprajama proved thro this dasa that Marriage Happened in Feb 19, 2005 in

Aq Dasa, he didn’t go into antars in this chart, he only went till Step 2

to show the dasa working, I think he uses Raman Ayanamsa which would be seen I

think in Chart 2)

Personal

notes on Chart 1

1) chart

from Dec 05 A.M Ma! g. Pg 1022

2)

Marriage - 19th Feb 05

3) Nav

ASc seems correct to what was given ! in the mag

Ahstakvarga

Graha Dasa

Step 1.

In D9 Ul in Ge, 2nd from it is Cn and Sg is 7th, Cn has two plaents wehrea! s

SG has none,

so Cn is

stronger and capable of giving marriage

Step 2.

Ta, Sc & Aq aspect this! Computed sign which is Cancer, so all the 3 are

capable of giving marriage

Step 3:

Also, the 3 signs arrived at which have moer than 30 bindus can give marriage

but here none have more than 25 bindus, infact Aq which gave marriage has only

21 bindus

Special

note SJ: Aq has Ketu in it, which according to Jaimini - Ketu is capable of

giving marriage strongly

Step 4:

Sodya Pinda of Ven = 147 & PAV of Ven is 3

both

should be multiplied - 147*3=441 then divided by 12, remainder is 9 - So the

remainder is 9

which

becomes SAgitarrius as the reference Sign, the marriage can take place in the

bhukti of this sign or its trines

Final

note: Step 3 & 4 didnt work in actual practice

Chart No

2

1) Chart

from Dec 05 AM mag, pg 1022

2) chart

Details: 18th Jan, 1962, 21 hrs 23 mins at 26 N 27, 74 E 38

b) Nav

Asc here is Virgo(thro jhora) but in mag it is Libra, I guess since the

article

is from Raman Suprajamana, he must be using Raman Ayanamsa

3)

Marriage in Jan 1999

SJ

Notes: If on! e doesn’t take the right ayanamsa then UL changes which is

the key to this dasa, so one way to testing this technique could be using it on

known charts and using two different ayanamsas

a) Here

take Raman Ayanamsa and then only Libra lagna in D9 is arrived to

match

what is given in Dec 05 AM mag article by Raman Suprajama

b)

Step1: UL comes in Cancer, 2nd from it is Le with mer and 7th from it is Moon

in Cp, since both have equal number of planets, Le is taken since it has Mer

(either Mer, Jup or its lord)

Step 2:

Signs aspecting Leo is AR, Libra and Cp - all 3 capable of giving marriage

Step 3:

SAV bindus - Ar is only 18, Li is 31 and Cp is 45, though Cp is more capable!

it didn’t give marriage whereas Aries/Aries gave marriage, maybe since

Aries is 7th house of natal D9

Step 4:

Sodya Pinda of Ven=199 (whereas in magazine it is given 202) & 7th from PAV

of Ven =1 (in mag it is 7). Multiply both = 199 (mag gives 1414)

This 199

divide by 12, remainder is 7, so sign is Libra, so bhutki can be Libra and

trines which is Ge or Aq, but infact bhukti was of Taurus - so technique

doesn’t work

SJ

Notes: what Jhora gives as Sodya Pinda and number of bindus in Ven PAV, is

completely differe! nt from what Raman Suprajaramas software is

using, don’t forget to write to Virendra who knows Raman so as to know

which software he is using .

" Narasimha

P.V.R. Rao " <pvr

wrote:

Namaste

Sunil,

I don't

know of any software that gives it.

If you

share the definition of this dasa or give a reference, I can try to add it in

my software (Jagannatha Hora). Give a practi! cal example a! lso, if you can.

Merry

christmas and happy new year to you too!

May

Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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Ashtakavarga Graha Dasa - astro software

Dear

Learned Members,

Can

anyone point out which astro software calculates the “Ashtakavarga Graha

Dasa”

!

Shall be

most grateful.

Btw,

Merry Christmas to everyone & may the coming year be full of wonderful

productive experiences.

Regards,

Sunil

John

Mumbai

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