Guest guest Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 Dear Bipin Swee told me this earlier, Venus in aquarius or capricorn, aspected by saturn or rahu. Venus aspected by rahu or saturn can give some psychic abilities. Yuri geller has strong sun-mars and strong venus-moon conjunctions. He has a different ability altogether best wishes partha On 6/8/05, Mr bipin prag <bipinprag wrote: Jaya JagannathaDear Friends, Jay Sri KrishnaWe discussed in an earlier post that Yogi Karve must be having strong intuition. This got me curious and Istarted exploring this a bit more.I have attached a document which is a compilation ofsome information on dictionary definition of 'psychic'and some types of psychic phenomenon extracted from a book. The types described are as experienced bywestern metaphysical phenomenon (all I could find),but I found it difficult to find info on EasternMetaphysics, like Nimittas, Nadi (there must be someintuition basis here) etc. Anyway in sure the members on the list can direct us to references in the Vedas(im sure the Puranas has references) I was always told that Psychic abilities are possiblewithin all of us. Although some of are born withgreat gifts in this area (like Karve), we can all develop our own abilities to some extent. How true isthis? <<So, my question is, Can anyone develop strongintuition or is intuition a special gift from pastlife. If so, what are the indicators of psychic abilities or strong intuition in one's chart?>>I caste a Prasna Chart asking which planets indicatepsychic abilities and to my surprise .... in Nav Igot Mo in Scorpio Lagna (:-) with Rahu, Ketu and Jupiter all in kendras (Aq was Rasi Lagna)All the Best and look forward to all your valuableinsights on this topicRegardsBipinps: I have attached some charts of psychics for analysis - I cant vouch for the accuracy of birthdata, but they are either from astrodatabank, astrotheme or Goravani Jyotish database - at least wehave something to work with Discover Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover./stayintouch.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear List, Namaste I would have thought that Rahu would also be an influence in psychics charts. Any further light on this topic Regards Bipin Chandrashekhar [sharma.chandrashekhar] Friday, June 10, 2005 11:23 AM Bipin Prag; bipinprag Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] How to identify Psychic abilities & Intuition in the Chart Dear Bipin, Look at the connection between Mercury and 5th house, and Moon in almost all the charts. They have mutual connection by argala or aspect of occupation. Barring the telekinesis person, Saturn is some how connected to Lagna. Even in his case it squares Lagna Jup and Moon, trines Mercury and is yogakaraka. This (Saturn's involvement) indicates that the person takes enough efforts to develop the ability that is latent. Moon gives the ability to feel smallest nuances, Mercury the intuition and Jupiter the knowledge to interpret the effects. Chandrashekhar. Mr bipin prag wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Friends, Jay Sri Krishna We discussed in an earlier post that Yogi Karve must be having strong intuition. This got me curious and I started exploring this a bit more. I have attached a document which is a compilation of some information on dictionary definition of ‘psychic’ and some types of psychic phenomenon extracted from a book. The types described are as experienced by western metaphysical phenomenon (all I could find), but I found it difficult to find info on Eastern Metaphysics, like Nimittas, Nadi (there must be some intuition basis here) etc. Anyway in sure the members on the list can direct us to references in the Vedas (im sure the Puranas has references) I was always told that Psychic abilities are possible within all of us. Although some of are born with great gifts in this area (like Karve), we can all develop our own abilities to some extent. How true is this? <<So, my question is, Can anyone develop strong intuition or is intuition a special gift from past life. If so, what are the indicators of psychic abilities or strong intuition in one’s chart?>> I caste a Prasna Chart asking which planets indicate psychic abilities and to my surprise .... in Nav I got Mo in Scorpio Lagna (:-) with Rahu, Ketu and Jupiter all in kendras (Aq was Rasi Lagna) All the Best and look forward to all your valuable insights on this topic Regards Bipin ps: I have attached some charts of psychics for analysis - I cant vouch for the accuracy of birth data, but they are either from astrodatabank, astrotheme or Goravani Jyotish database - at least we have something to work with -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.0 - Release 12/9/2004 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.0 - Release 12/9/2004 ******************************************************************* The e-mail and attachments are confidential and intended only for selected recipients. If you have received it in error, you may not in any way disclose or rely on the contents. You may not keep, copy or distribute the e-mail. Should you receive it, immediately notify the sender of the error and delete the e-mail.Also note that this form of communication is not secure, it can be intercepted, and may not necessarily be free of errors and viruses in spite of reasonable efforts to secure this medium. ******************************************************************* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Dear Bipin I thought i replied on this. As you can see that Venus is in saturniun signs or aspected by saturn or rahu in most of the charts that you gave. This principle was taught to me by none other than Swee I dont agree to the point that mercury can give intuition. mercury is left brain, best wishes partha , " Bipin Prag " <bipin.prag@l...> wrote: > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear List, Namaste > > I would have thought that Rahu would also be an influence in psychics > charts. Any further light on this topic > > Regards > > Bipin > > > Chandrashekhar [sharma.chandrashekhar@g...] > Friday, June 10, 2005 11:23 AM > Bipin Prag; bipinprag > Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] How to identify Psychic abilities & Intuition > in the Chart > > Dear Bipin, > Look at the connection between Mercury and 5th house, and Moon in almost > all the charts. They have mutual connection by argala or aspect of > occupation. Barring the telekinesis person, Saturn is some how connected > to Lagna. Even in his case it squares Lagna Jup and Moon, trines Mercury > and is yogakaraka. > > This (Saturn's involvement) indicates that the person takes enough > efforts to develop the ability that is latent. Moon gives the ability to > feel smallest nuances, Mercury the intuition and Jupiter the knowledge > to interpret the effects. > > Chandrashekhar. > > Mr bipin prag wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Friends, Jay Sri Krishna > > We discussed in an earlier post that Yogi Karve must > be having strong intuition. This got me curious and I > started exploring this a bit more. > > I have attached a document which is a compilation of > some information on dictionary definition of `psychic' > and some types of psychic phenomenon extracted from a > book. The types described are as experienced by > western metaphysical phenomenon (all I could find), > but I found it difficult to find info on Eastern > Metaphysics, like Nimittas, Nadi (there must be some > intuition basis here) etc. Anyway in sure the members > on the list can direct us to references in the Vedas > (im sure the Puranas has references) > I was always told that Psychic abilities are possible > within all of us. Although some of are born with > great gifts in this area (like Karve), we can all > develop our own abilities to some extent. How true is > this? > <<So, my question is, Can anyone develop strong > intuition or is intuition a special gift from past > life. If so, what are the indicators of psychic > abilities or strong intuition in one's chart?>> > > I caste a Prasna Chart asking which planets indicate > psychic abilities and to my surprise .... in Nav I > got Mo in Scorpio Lagna (:-) with Rahu, Ketu and > Jupiter all in kendras (Aq was Rasi Lagna) > > All the Best and look forward to all your valuable > insights on this topic > > Regards > > Bipin > > ps: I have attached some charts of psychics for > analysis - I cant vouch for the accuracy of birth > data, but they are either from astrodatabank, astrotheme or Goravani > Jyotish database - at least we > have something to work with > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.0 - Release 12/9/2004 > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.0 - Release 12/9/2004 > > > > > ******************************************************************* > > The e-mail and attachments are confidential and intended only for selected recipients. If you have received it in error, you may not in any way disclose or rely on the contents. You may not keep, copy or distribute the e-mail. Should you receive it, immediately notify the sender of the error and delete the e-mail.Also note that this form of communication is not secure, it can be intercepted, and may not necessarily be free of errors and viruses in spite of reasonable efforts to secure this medium. > > ******************************************************************* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Dear Sir, I suggest you first look at a very high level of intellect in the chart. Intuition is inextricably linked with a high IQ. Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 6/13/05, V.Partha sarathy <partvinu wrote: Dear BipinI thought i replied on this. As you can see that Venus is in saturniun signs or aspected by saturn or rahu in most of the charts that you gave.This principle was taught to me by none other than SweeI dont agree to the point that mercury can give intuition. mercury is left brain, best wishes partha , " Bipin Prag " <bipin.prag@l...> wrote:> Jaya Jagannatha> > Dear List, Namaste> > I would have thought that Rahu would also be an influence in psychics> charts. Any further light on this topic> > Regards> > Bipin > > > Chandrashekhar [ sharma.chandrashekhar@g...] > Friday, June 10, 2005 11:23 AM > Bipin Prag; bipinprag> Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] How to identify Psychic abilities & Intuition> in the Chart> > Dear Bipin, > Look at the connection between Mercury and 5th house, and Moon in almost > all the charts. They have mutual connection by argala or aspect of > occupation. Barring the telekinesis person, Saturn is some how connected > to Lagna. Even in his case it squares Lagna Jup and Moon, trines Mercury > and is yogakaraka.> > This (Saturn's involvement) indicates that the person takes enough > efforts to develop the ability that is latent. Moon gives the ability to > feel smallest nuances, Mercury the intuition and Jupiter the knowledge > to interpret the effects.> > Chandrashekhar.> > Mr bipin prag wrote:> > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Friends, Jay Sri Krishna> > We discussed in an earlier post that Yogi Karve must> be having strong intuition. This got me curious and I> started exploring this a bit more. > > I have attached a document which is a compilation of> some information on dictionary definition of `psychic'> and some types of psychic phenomenon extracted from a> book. The types described are as experienced by > western metaphysical phenomenon (all I could find),> but I found it difficult to find info on Eastern> Metaphysics, like Nimittas, Nadi (there must be some> intuition basis here) etc. Anyway in sure the members > on the list can direct us to references in the Vedas> (im sure the Puranas has references)> I was always told that Psychic abilities are possible> within all of us. Although some of are born with > great gifts in this area (like Karve), we can all> develop our own abilities to some extent. How true is> this?> <<So, my question is, Can anyone develop strong> intuition or is intuition a special gift from past > life. If so, what are the indicators of psychic> abilities or strong intuition in one's chart?>>> > I caste a Prasna Chart asking which planets indicate> psychic abilities and to my surprise .... in Nav I > got Mo in Scorpio Lagna (:-) with Rahu, Ketu and> Jupiter all in kendras (Aq was Rasi Lagna)> > All the Best and look forward to all your valuable> insights on this topic> > Regards > > Bipin> > ps: I have attached some charts of psychics for> analysis - I cant vouch for the accuracy of birth> data, but they are either from astrodatabank, astrotheme or Goravani > Jyotish database - at least we> have something to work with> > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.> > Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.0 - Release 12/9/2004> > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.> > Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.0 - Release 12/9/2004 > > > > > *******************************************************************> > The e-mail and attachments are confidential and intended only for selected recipients. If you have received it in error, you may not in any way disclose or rely on the contents. You may not keep, copy or distribute the e-mail. Should you receive it, immediately notify the sender of the error and delete the e-mail.Also note that this form of communication is not secure, it can be intercepted, and may not necessarily be free of errors and viruses in spite of reasonable efforts to secure this medium.> > ******************************************************************* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Dear Ramapriya Intuition is just the ability to see the event, truth as it is. Now many a times knowledge made me think of a particular event, but intuition(Right brain) told me something else. Intellect has nothing to do with intuition. I have seen street parrot astrologers making wonderful predictions for me. best wishes partha , Ramapriya D <ayirpamar@g...> wrote: > Dear Sir, > I suggest you first look at a very high level of intellect in the chart. > Intuition is inextricably linked with a high IQ. > Respects, > Ramapriya > ayirpamar@g... > > On 6/13/05, V.Partha sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > > > Dear Bipin > > > > I thought i replied on this. > > As you can see that Venus is in saturniun signs or aspected by saturn > > or rahu in most of the charts that you gave. > > This principle was taught to me by none other than Swee > > > > I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 On 6/13/05, V.Partha sarathy <partvinu wrote: Dear RamapriyaIntuition is just the ability to see the event, truth as it is.Now many a times knowledge made me think of a particular event, but intuition(Right brain) told me something else. Intellect has nothing to do with intuition. I have seen street parrot astrologers making wonderful predictions for me.best wishespartha Dear Sir, There are times we should agree to respectfully disagree, isn't it? Let's do it on this one J I want to state my point, nevertheless; I hope this won't get too long-winded by the time I'm through K Every intuitive perception that a person has immediately forms a picture. In the formation of this picture the small brain or cerebellum participates as the bridge across which the soul should control the body. It is that part of the brain through which you receive your dreams. It is in turn connected with the frontal brain or cerebrum, through the activity of which thoughts are generated that are more closely tied to space and time and which eventually constitute the intellect. Now pay close attention to the process! You will then be able clearly to distinguish when the intuition speaks to you, or when feeling addresses you through the intellect! The activity of the human spirit awakens intuitive perception within the solar plexus, thereby simultaneously making an impression upon the cerebellum. It is the effect of the spirit, that is, a wave of power issuing from the spirit. Man naturally perceives this wave in that spot where the spirit within the soul is connected with the body - in the centre of the so-called solar plexus, which passes the wave on to the cerebellum where it creates an impression. In accordance with the specific nature of the various impressions received, the cerebellum, like a photographic plate, forms a picture of the process as willed by the spirit or as created with the strong power of the spirit through its volition. A picture without words! The frontal brain takes over this picture and seeks to describe it in words, thereby generating thoughts which then find expression in language. In truth the whole process is very simple! I will repeat it: With the help of the solar plexus the spirit makes an impression on the bridge provided for it, thus impressing a definite volition in power waves upon the small brain, the instrument given to it for this purpose, which immediately passes on what it received to the frontal brain. In the process of transmission a slight change through consolidation has already occurred, because the small brain adds something of its own nature to it. The instruments within the human body which are at the disposal of the spirit work like the connecting links of a chain. But they all serve in a forming capacity only, because they cannot do otherwise. Everything transmitted to them they from in accordance with their own special nature. Thus the frontal brain takes up the pictures transmitted to it by the cerebellum and, in accordance with its somewhat coarser nature, first of all compresses them into narrower conceptions of space and time, thereby condensing them and bringing them into the ethereal world of thought-forms, which is of more tangible substance. Man, however, voluntarily abandoned the course prescribed for him through the constitution of his body. He stubbornly interfered in the normal working of the " chain " of his instruments by making the intellect his idol. Thus he concentrated his whole energy upon the training of the intellect in an entirely one-sided manner! As a result the frontal brain, having now become the producer, was forced to exert itself out of all proportion to what was required of the other cooperating instruments. This naturally incurred a heavy penalty! The uniform and harmonious co-operation of all the individual links was upset and hindered, and with it every right development. The excessive strain to which the frontal brain alone was subjected for thousands of years forced its development far beyond everything else. This consequently curtailed the activity of all the neglected parts which, because of their lack of use, were bound to remain weak. Foremost among these was the cerebellum, which is the instrument of the spirit. Thus it follows that the activity of the human spirit proper was not only severely obstructed, but it is often completely cut off and remains excluded! The possibility of proper intercourse with the frontal brain over the bridge of the small brain is buried, while a direct connection between the human spirit and the frontal brain is utterly impossible owing to the latter's nature. Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Dear Ramapriya That was a good discourse on the functioning of the brain. best wishes partha On 6/13/05, Ramapriya D <ayirpamar wrote: On 6/13/05, V.Partha sarathy <partvinu > wrote: Dear RamapriyaIntuition is just the ability to see the event, truth as it is.Now many a times knowledge made me think of a particular event, but intuition(Right brain) told me something else. Intellect has nothing to do with intuition. I have seen street parrot astrologers making wonderful predictions for me.best wishespartha Dear Sir, There are times we should agree to respectfully disagree, isn't it? Let's do it on this one J I want to state my point, nevertheless; I hope this won't get too long-winded by the time I'm through K Every intuitive perception that a person has immediately forms a picture. In the formation of this picture the small brain or cerebellum participates as the bridge across which the soul should control the body. It is that part of the brain through which you receive your dreams. It is in turn connected with the frontal brain or cerebrum, through the activity of which thoughts are generated that are more closely tied to space and time and which eventually constitute the intellect. Now pay close attention to the process! You will then be able clearly to distinguish when the intuition speaks to you, or when feeling addresses you through the intellect! The activity of the human spirit awakens intuitive perception within the solar plexus, thereby simultaneously making an impression upon the cerebellum. It is the effect of the spirit, that is, a wave of power issuing from the spirit. Man naturally perceives this wave in that spot where the spirit within the soul is connected with the body - in the centre of the so-called solar plexus, which passes the wave on to the cerebellum where it creates an impression. In accordance with the specific nature of the various impressions received, the cerebellum, like a photographic plate, forms a picture of the process as willed by the spirit or as created with the strong power of the spirit through its volition. A picture without words! The frontal brain takes over this picture and seeks to describe it in words, thereby generating thoughts which then find expression in language. In truth the whole process is very simple! I will repeat it: With the help of the solar plexus the spirit makes an impression on the bridge provided for it, thus impressing a definite volition in power waves upon the small brain, the instrument given to it for this purpose, which immediately passes on what it received to the frontal brain. In the process of transmission a slight change through consolidation has already occurred, because the small brain adds something of its own nature to it. The instruments within the human body which are at the disposal of the spirit work like the connecting links of a chain. But they all serve in a forming capacity only, because they cannot do otherwise. Everything transmitted to them they from in accordance with their own special nature. Thus the frontal brain takes up the pictures transmitted to it by the cerebellum and, in accordance with its somewhat coarser nature, first of all compresses them into narrower conceptions of space and time, thereby condensing them and bringing them into the ethereal world of thought-forms, which is of more tangible substance. Man, however, voluntarily abandoned the course prescribed for him through the constitution of his body. He stubbornly interfered in the normal working of the " chain " of his instruments by making the intellect his idol. Thus he concentrated his whole energy upon the training of the intellect in an entirely one-sided manner! As a result the frontal brain, having now become the producer, was forced to exert itself out of all proportion to what was required of the other cooperating instruments. This naturally incurred a heavy penalty! The uniform and harmonious co-operation of all the individual links was upset and hindered, and with it every right development. The excessive strain to which the frontal brain alone was subjected for thousands of years forced its development far beyond everything else. This consequently curtailed the activity of all the neglected parts which, because of their lack of use, were bound to remain weak. Foremost among these was the cerebellum, which is the instrument of the spirit. Thus it follows that the activity of the human spirit proper was not only severely obstructed, but it is often completely cut off and remains excluded! The possibility of proper intercourse with the frontal brain over the bridge of the small brain is buried, while a direct connection between the human spirit and the frontal brain is utterly impossible owing to the latter's nature. Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 On 6/13/05, Partha Sarathy <partvinu wrote: That was a good discourse on the functioning of the brain, from one whose doesn't, at most times ;o) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear RD, Namaste That was too difficult for my little brain to absorb….. The fastest way to assess if the person uses the right part of the brain is when they get any electronic gadget and figure the ins and outs (almost immediately) without having to read the manuals. Mensa member? Love, Swee On Behalf Of Ramapriya D Monday, June 13, 2005 12:56 PM Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] How to identify Psychic abilities & Intuition in the Chart On 6/13/05, V.Partha sarathy <partvinu wrote: Dear Ramapriya Intuition is just the ability to see the event, truth as it is. Now many a times knowledge made me think of a particular event, but intuition(Right brain) told me something else. Intellect has nothing to do with intuition. I have seen street parrot astrologers making wonderful predictions for me. best wishes partha Dear Sir, There are times we should agree to respectfully disagree, isn't it? Let's do it on this one J I want to state my point, nevertheless; I hope this won't get too long-winded by the time I'm through K Every intuitive perception that a person has immediately forms a picture. In the formation of this picture the small brain or cerebellum participates as the bridge across which the soul should control the body. It is that part of the brain through which you receive your dreams. It is in turn connected with the frontal brain or cerebrum, through the activity of which thoughts are generated that are more closely tied to space and time and which eventually constitute the intellect. Now pay close attention to the process! You will then be able clearly to distinguish when the intuition speaks to you, or when feeling addresses you through the intellect! The activity of the human spirit awakens intuitive perception within the solar plexus, thereby simultaneously making an impression upon the cerebellum. It is the effect of the spirit, that is, a wave of power issuing from the spirit. Man naturally perceives this wave in that spot where the spirit within the soul is connected with the body - in the centre of the so-called solar plexus, which passes the wave on to the cerebellum where it creates an impression. In accordance with the specific nature of the various impressions received, the cerebellum, like a photographic plate, forms a picture of the process as willed by the spirit or as created with the strong power of the spirit through its volition. A picture without words! The frontal brain takes over this picture and seeks to describe it in words, thereby generating thoughts which then find expression in language. In truth the whole process is very simple! I will repeat it: With the help of the solar plexus the spirit makes an impression on the bridge provided for it, thus impressing a definite volition in power waves upon the small brain, the instrument given to it for this purpose, which immediately passes on what it received to the frontal brain. In the process of transmission a slight change through consolidation has already occurred, because the small brain adds something of its own nature to it. The instruments within the human body which are at the disposal of the spirit work like the connecting links of a chain. But they all serve in a forming capacity only, because they cannot do otherwise. Everything transmitted to them they from in accordance with their own special nature. Thus the frontal brain takes up the pictures transmitted to it by the cerebellum and, in accordance w! ith its somewhat coarser nature, first of all compresses them into narrower conceptions of space and time, thereby condensing them and bringing them into the ethereal world of thought-forms, which is of more tangible substance. Man, however, voluntarily abandoned the course prescribed for him through the constitution of his body. He stubbornly interfered in the normal working of the " chain " of his instruments by making the intellect his idol. Thus he concentrated his whole energy upon the training of the intellect in an entirely one-sided manner! As a result the frontal brain, having now become the producer, was forced to exert itself out of all proportion to what was required of the other cooperating instruments. This naturally incurred a heavy penalty! The uniform and harmonious co-operation of all the individual links was upset and hindered, and with it every right development. The excessive strain to which the frontal brain alone was subjected for thousands of years forced its development far beyond everything else. This consequently curtailed the activity of all the neglected parts ! which, because of their lack of use, were bound to remain weak. Foremost among these was the cerebellum, which is the instrument of the spirit. Thus it follows that the activity of the human spirit proper was not only severely obstructed, but it is often completely cut off and remains excluded! The possibility of proper intercourse with the frontal brain over the bridge of the small brain is buried, while a direct connection between the human spirit and the frontal brain is utterly impossible owing to the latter's nature. Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Dear Swee, Agree. IQ is also race-related, y'know? Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 6/14/05, Swee Chan <swee wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear RD, Namaste That was too difficult for my little brain to absorb….. The fastest way to assess if the person uses the right part of the brain is when they get any electronic gadget and figure the ins and outs (almost immediately) without having to read the manuals. Mensa member? Love, Swee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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