Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Dear Gurus and learned ones, My question is very rudimentary - what is East? Considering that: a. The lagna is the eastern horizon; b. There is a twenty-three degree angle between the earth's equator and the ecliptic; c. The ecliptic is a narrow band within which all planets, except the Moon, 'revolve around the Earth, in the geocentric scheme of things; and d. The ecliptic's width is about eight degrees on either side of the Sun's movement path my confusion stems from the fact that there will seemingly be, at any point of time, two points of the ecliptic that intersect the horizon; which to consider? If we have to go by what's perpendicular to magnetic north, what if neither of the ecliptic lines intersect that magnetic point (not sure, but this might likely happen in very northern or southern countries like Sweden, Finland and southern Chile)? This might seem like a troll, but I can assure you it isn't; like I've confessed in the past, my ken of astronomy is very limited L Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Dear Ramapriya You are atleast better than people like me for whom what you wrote looks like alpha, beta and latin best wishes partha On 5/25/05, Ramapriya D <ayirpamar wrote: Dear Gurus and learned ones, My question is very rudimentary - what is East? Considering that: a. The lagna is the eastern horizon; b. There is a twenty-three degree angle between the earth's equator and the ecliptic; c. The ecliptic is a narrow band within which all planets, except the Moon, 'revolve around the Earth, in the geocentric scheme of things; and d. The ecliptic's width is about eight degrees on either side of the Sun's movement path my confusion stems from the fact that there will seemingly be, at any point of time, two points of the ecliptic that intersect the horizon; which to consider? If we have to go by what's perpendicular to magnetic north, what if neither of the ecliptic lines intersect that magnetic point (not sure, but this might likely happen in very northern or southern countries like Sweden, Finland and southern Chile)? This might seem like a troll, but I can assure you it isn't; like I've confessed in the past, my ken of astronomy is very limited L Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Dear Partha, Seems like my dashed combust Mercury will forever play its blighted communication card K Could you be kind enough to point out where exactly did I not explain myself adequately enough? Though tis a real dumb kind of Q, I'm quite eager to get your and other gurus' answers… Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 5/26/05, Partha Sarathy <partvinu wrote: Dear Ramapriya You are atleast better than people like me for whom what you wrote looks like alpha, beta and latin best wishes partha On 5/25/05, Ramapriya D < ayirpamar wrote: Dear Gurus and learned ones, My question is very rudimentary - what is East? Considering that: a. The lagna is the eastern horizon; b. There is a twenty-three degree angle between the earth's equator and the ecliptic; c. The ecliptic is a narrow band within which all planets, except the Moon, 'revolve around the Earth, in the geocentric scheme of things; and d. The ecliptic's width is about eight degrees on either side of the Sun's movement path my confusion stems from the fact that there will seemingly be, at any point of time, two points of the ecliptic that intersect the horizon; which to consider? If we have to go by what's perpendicular to magnetic north, what if neither of the ecliptic lines intersect that magnetic point (not sure, but this might likely happen in very northern or southern countries like Sweden, Finland and southern Chile)? This might seem like a troll, but I can assure you it isn't; like I've confessed in the past, my ken of astronomy is very limited L Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Dear Ramapriya I was caught napping in puri conference. I was asked by Sanjayji as to how to calculate Bhava lagna(he thought i was the brightest of them all), and my face gave him the answer(a Big quizzical expression, why me???) Seriously, i never done any research on these aspects, i dont know astronomy, and thus i dont understand it. All i know is how to read a chart, i dont know where the physical sun is or physical ecliptic is, i am not bothered also, as i am more interested in meaning rather than constructions. Astronomy, Nah, leave it to the nerds:-)) best wishes partha On 5/26/05, Ramapriya D <ayirpamar wrote: Dear Partha, Seems like my dashed combust Mercury will forever play its blighted communication card K Could you be kind enough to point out where exactly did I not explain myself adequately enough? Though tis a real dumb kind of Q, I'm quite eager to get your and other gurus' answers… Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 5/26/05, Partha Sarathy <partvinu > wrote: Dear Ramapriya You are atleast better than people like me for whom what you wrote looks like alpha, beta and latin best wishes partha On 5/25/05, Ramapriya D < ayirpamar > wrote: Dear Gurus and learned ones, My question is very rudimentary - what is East? Considering that: a. The lagna is the eastern horizon; b. There is a twenty-three degree angle between the earth's equator and the ecliptic; c. The ecliptic is a narrow band within which all planets, except the Moon, 'revolve around the Earth, in the geocentric scheme of things; and d. The ecliptic's width is about eight degrees on either side of the Sun's movement path my confusion stems from the fact that there will seemingly be, at any point of time, two points of the ecliptic that intersect the horizon; which to consider? If we have to go by what's perpendicular to magnetic north, what if neither of the ecliptic lines intersect that magnetic point (not sure, but this might likely happen in very northern or southern countries like Sweden, Finland and southern Chile)? This might seem like a troll, but I can assure you it isn't; like I've confessed in the past, my ken of astronomy is very limited L Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Dear Partha, I understand what you're trying to say, but I guess there's a part of me that wants to be the first to write gocharaphals for folk on Moon and those cosmonauts that spend eons in space stations J Talking of Moon, I was struck by a queer contemplation yesterday. Put yourself for a moment on Sun, the epitome of dharma, and view the seven planets. In fact, if you get heliocentric, you'd do just that. You'll realize that the only planet that can at all retrograde is the Moon… imagine the connotations; from the true dharma epitome's point of view, only the Moon can, if at all, be adharmic! It kind of boggles my mind. Of course, tis another matter that once you get heliocentric in the true sense, the importance of Moon would get relegated drastically, to possibly any other satellite of the other planets. Why this paucity of astronomical ken scares me is because I'm reasonably convinced that as you go significantly north, or indeed south, of the equator, there will be times when the ascendant should linger in some zodiacs way longer than some others. There's at least one astronomer I know (in Singapore) who argues that the ascendant near the poles can get stationary and even discontinuous! And because of the Earth's tilt, this East business seriously clouds my reasoning. He says that if one knows astronomy, it can't at all be argued that in northern Scandinavia, Sagittarius and Capricorn never rise above the horizon, while Gemini and Cancer never set below the horizon! That egg considers East as the distance between the vernal equinox and the intersection of the ecliptic with the horizon. That doesn't much convince me for an answer, because there is not one, but two, points intersecting the horizon… gosh, if only I understood all this better L I know Swee will be smarting at all this quibbling and will write out a convincing explanation sooner than later J Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 5/26/05, Partha Sarathy <partvinu wrote: Dear Ramapriya I was caught napping in puri conference. I was asked by Sanjayji as to how to calculate Bhava lagna(he thought i was the brightest of them all), and my face gave him the answer(a Big quizzical expression, why me???) Seriously, i never done any research on these aspects, i dont know astronomy, and thus i dont understand it. All i know is how to read a chart, i dont know where the physical sun is or physical ecliptic is, i am not bothered also, as i am more interested in meaning rather than constructions. Astronomy, Nah, leave it to the nerds:-)) best wishes partha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Ramapriya, Namaste Is this what you are looking for? GP.I.62 Hari said: 1. At sinrise everyday, the sun is in his own rasi. Then he begins his transit to the other rasis. He covers six rasis in the day time and six in the night. 2. In Meena lagna and Mesha lagna, he spends 5 ghatikas each (5 x 24 = 120 minutes/2hours). In Vrisha lagna and Kumbha lagna, he spends four ghatikas each (4 x 24= 96 minutes/1 hour 36 minutes). In Makara lagna and Mithuna lagna, he spends three ghatikas each (3 x 24= 72 minutes/1hour 12 minutes); In Dhanus lagna and Karkataka lagna, he spends five ghatikas each 3. In Simha and Vrishcika lagna, he spends six ghatikas each (2 hours 24 minutes) and in Kanya lagna and Tula lagna he spends seven ghatikas each (2 hours 48 minutes). Thus I have explained the time spent in laganas. Love, Swee p/s If only the world was not ovate. On Behalf Of Ramapriya D Thursday, May 26, 2005 7:39 AM Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] Another dumb Q Dear Partha, I understand what you're trying to say, but I guess there's a part of me that wants to be the first to write gocharaphals for folk on Moon and those cosmonauts that spend eons in space stations J Talking of Moon, I was struck by a queer contemplation yesterday. Put yourself for a moment on Sun, the epitome of dharma, and view the seven planets. In fact, if you get heliocentric, you'd do just that. You'll realize that the only planet that can at all retrograde is the Moon… imagine the connotations; from the true dharma epitome's point of view, only the Moon can, if at all, be adharmic! It kind of boggles my mind. Of course, tis another matter that once you get heliocentric in the true sense, the importance of Moon would get relegated drastically, to possibly any other satellite of the other planets. Why this paucity of astronomical ken scares me is because I'm reasonably convinced that as you go significantly north, or indeed south, of the equator, there will be times when the ascendant should linger in some zodiacs way longer than some others. There's at least one astronomer I know (in Singapore) who argues that the ascendant near the poles can get stationary and even discontinuous! And because of the Earth's tilt, this East business seriously clouds my reasoning. He says that if one knows astronomy, it can't at all be argued that in northern Scandinavia, Sagittarius and Capricorn never rise above the horizon, while Gemini and Cancer never set below the horizon! That egg considers East as the distance between the vernal equinox and the intersection of the ecliptic with the horizon. That doesn't much convince me for an answer, because there is not one, but two, points intersecting the horizon… gosh, if only I understood all this better L I know Swee will be smarting at all this quibbling and will write out a convincing explanation sooner than later J Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 5/26/05, Partha Sarathy <partvinu wrote: Dear Ramapriya I was caught napping in puri conference. I was asked by Sanjayji as to how to calculate Bhava lagna(he thought i was the brightest of them all), and my face gave him the answer(a Big quizzical expression, why me???) Seriously, i never done any research on these aspects, i dont know astronomy, and thus i dont understand it. All i know is how to read a chart, i dont know where the physical sun is or physical ecliptic is, i am not bothered also, as i am more interested in meaning rather than constructions. Astronomy, Nah, leave it to the nerds:-)) best wishes partha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Dear Swee, I thank you for the trouble, but let this be. I'm actually addled further L I can't understand how Sun can have an established pattern of residence in the various rasis, unless you reckon from the center of the Earth or a point on the equator; well, not even there, actually, because of the 23-degree tilt – and all this would mean birth coordinates being nigh on superfluous. Also, if Sun resides for various durations, and since the speed of the Earth's rotation is constant during the day, am I to deem the rasis of unequal width? If you could throw some light on how East should be determined, I'd be most grateful, Swee. Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 5/26/05, Swee Chan <swee wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Ramapriya, Namaste Is this what you are looking for? GP.I.62 Hari said: 1. At sinrise everyday, the sun is in his own rasi. Then he begins his transit to the other rasis. He covers six rasis in the day time and six in the night. 2. In Meena lagna and Mesha lagna, he spends 5 ghatikas each (5 x 24 = 120 minutes/2hours). In Vrisha lagna and Kumbha lagna, he spends four ghatikas each (4 x 24= 96 minutes/1 hour 36 minutes). In Makara lagna and Mithuna lagna, he spends three ghatikas each (3 x 24= 72 minutes/1hour 12 minutes); In Dhanus lagna and Karkataka lagna, he spends five ghatikas each 3. In Simha and Vrishcika lagna, he spends six ghatikas each (2 hours 24 minutes) and in Kanya lagna and Tula lagna he spends seven ghatikas each (2 hours 48 minutes). Thus I have explained the time spent in laganas. Love, Swee p/s If only the world was not ovate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Dear Ramapriya, That is the position on equator. The Rasis are of unequal lengths. That is why there are rhasva, deergha and sama Rasis. I am sending this to you personally as I have left SJC and though Swee asked me to post on her list, I do not want her to face any problem on my account. Chandrashekhar. Ramapriya D wrote: Dear Swee, I thank you for the trouble, but let this be. I'm actually addled further L I can't understand how Sun can have an established pattern of residence in the various rasis, unless you reckon from the center of the Earth or a point on the equator; well, not even there, actually, because of the 23-degree tilt – and all this would mean birth coordinates being nigh on superfluous. Also, if Sun resides for various durations, and since the speed of the Earth's rotation is constant during the day, am I to deem the rasis of unequal width? If you could throw some light on how East should be determined, I'd be most grateful, Swee. Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 5/26/05, Swee Chan <swee wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Ramapriya, Namaste Is this what you are looking for? GP.I.62 Hari said: 1. At sinrise everyday, the sun is in his own rasi. Then he begins his transit to the other rasis. He covers six rasis in the day time and six in the night. 2. In Meena lagna and Mesha lagna, he spends 5 ghatikas each (5 x 24 = 120 minutes/2hours). In Vrisha lagna and Kumbha lagna, he spends four ghatikas each (4 x 24= 96 minutes/1 hour 36 minutes). In Makara lagna and Mithuna lagna, he spends three ghatikas each (3 x 24= 72 minutes/1hour 12 minutes); In Dhanus lagna and Karkataka lagna, he spends five ghatikas each 3. In Simha and Vrishcika lagna, he spends six ghatikas each (2 hours 24 minutes) and in Kanya lagna and Tula lagna he spends seven ghatikas each (2 hours 48 minutes). Thus I have explained the time spent in laganas. Love, Swee p/s If only the world was not ovate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Ramapriya, Namaste I think I’ve almost understood Sanjay’s poser and have finally typed out the part on ganita from the Narada Purana for you. I’ll see if I can have permission to upload to the files section and you whiz kids can have a go J. You’ll need to read everything in its entirety before you endeavour a calculation on the sphuta graha (some clues are in different passages, so the answers you are looking for are not sequential). Love, Swee On Behalf Of Ramapriya D Thursday, May 26, 2005 1:18 PM Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] Another dumb Q Dear Swee, I thank you for the trouble, but let this be. I'm actually addled further L I can't understand how Sun can have an established pattern of residence in the various rasis, unless you reckon from the center of the Earth or a point on the equator; well, not even there, actually, because of the 23-degree tilt – and all this would mean birth coordinates being nigh on superfluous. Also, if Sun resides for various durations, and since the speed of the Earth's rotation is constant during the day, am I to deem the rasis of unequal width? If you could throw some light on how East should be determined, I'd be most grateful, Swee. Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 5/26/05, Swee Chan <swee wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Ramapriya, Namaste Is this what you are looking for? GP.I.62 Hari said: 1. At sinrise everyday, the sun is in his own rasi. Then he begins his transit to the other rasis. He covers six rasis in the day time and six in the night. 2. In Meena lagna and Mesha lagna, he spends 5 ghatikas each (5 x 24 = 120 minutes/2hours). In Vrisha lagna and Kumbha lagna, he spends four ghatikas each (4 x 24= 96 minutes/1 hour 36 minutes). In Makara lagna and Mithuna lagna, he spends three ghatikas each (3 x 24= 72 minutes/1hour 12 minutes); In Dhanus lagna and Karkataka lagna, he spends five ghatikas each 3. In Simha and Vrishcika lagna, he spends six ghatikas each (2 hours 24 minutes) and in Kanya lagna and Tula lagna he spends seven ghatikas each (2 hours 48 minutes). Thus I have explained the time spent in laganas. Love, Swee p/s If only the world was not ovate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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